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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: marvin on July 05, 2009, 05:34:41 PM
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Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
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Hey marv if that's your real name is Kennedy Jewish because he was the one who sponsored and pushed threw the immigration bill that allowed 3rd worlders into the U.S. About Spain that's 1 of the few of European countries i don't care about
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marv,
You obviously don't know what JTF is here for. It is not about white and anti-white, it is about morality and culture values. I believe JTF is for good American and Judeo-Christian values... The issue to me is not Obamas color, it is his bias against Judeo-Chrisitian values and his attraction to islamic and communist values.
Jews have always been for progressive ideas but that doesn't make all of us liberals. Many Jews have worked long and hard to make America the great country it was. I believe JTFs main concerns are ensuring a strong Israel and making sure America remains a good partner for the Jewish homeland.
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Hey marv if that's your real name is Kennedy Jewish because he was the one who sponsored and pushed threw the immigration bill that allowed 3rd worlders into the U.S. About Spain that's 1 of the few of European countries i don't care about
There were plenty of White traitors that pushed for this. The Marxist, egalitarian Jews played the biggest role proportionately. The only reason why JTF is opposes the third world presence in America is because they have proven they hate Jews. So this isn't about Whites, for it's still about Jews. It was about Jews when they promoted these radical ideas to hide in a multi-cultural nation and it's about them now when they have realized this was a mistake.
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By any chance were you here by another name and got banned recently?
Hey marv if that's your real name is Kennedy Jewish because he was the one who sponsored and pushed threw the immigration bill that allowed 3rd worlders into the U.S. About Spain that's 1 of the few of European countries i don't care about
There were plenty of White traitors that pushed for this. The Marxist, egalitarian Jews played the biggest role proportionately. The only reason why JTF is opposes the third world presence in America is because they have proven they hate Jews. So this isn't about Whites, for it's still about Jews. It was about Jews when they promoted these radical ideas to hide in a multi-cultural nation and it's about them now when they have realized this was a mistake.
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*sniff sniff* do I smell Khufu?
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JTF never supported communism and leftist Jews still are whores to the third world. What is this big change you're talking about? All I see is that different Jews are still different on the issues and therefore can't be lumped into one category.
I'm talking about JTF opposing non-Whites because they know a non-White majority would be bad for them since they have proven they are more anti-Semitic than Whites. If they were not anti-Semitic but anti-White you'd support them just like Jews supported the Muslims when they invaded Spain. The Jews that still support non-Whites still don't understand that it's bad for them to be supporting them.
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Well Marvin, I can certainly say the same thing about you white nationalist types. Quite of few of your people have told me flat out that they would support Obama because they know he'll be bad for Israel. In other words, you people would want the White House turned into a housing project just to get at us EEVIL JOOOS!
And don't forget that nustso Paul Craig Roberts who said he would love to see America overrun by illegal aliens if it would mean getting rid of "neocons."
Puh-leeze! You people are full of excrement.
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Well Marvin, I can certainly say the same thing about you white nationalist types. Quite of few of your people have told me flat out that they would support Obama because they know he'll be bad for Israel. In other words, you people would want the White House turned into a housing project just to get at us EEVIL JOOOS!
And don't forget that nustso Paul Craig Roberts who said he would love to see America overrun by illegal aliens if it would mean getting rid of "neocons."
Puh-leeze! You people are full of excrement.
80% of Jews voted for Obama while 40% of Whites voted for him.
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I've been having an argument with someone similar on zootube recently. It could be the same person.
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Well Marvin, I can certainly say the same thing about you white nationalist types. Quite of few of your people have told me flat out that they would support Obama because they know he'll be bad for Israel. In other words, you people would want the White House turned into a housing project just to get at us EEVIL JOOOS!
And don't forget that nustso Paul Craig Roberts who said he would love to see America overrun by illegal aliens if it would mean getting rid of "neocons."
Puh-leeze! You people are full of excrement.
80% of Jews voted for Obama while 40% of Whites voted for him.
So Jews are not white? I have light brown hair, blue eyes, and light skin. If you saw me on the street, would you seriously say that I'm not white?
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Well where was the change? JTF never went from supporting leftist causes to supporting conservative ones, we were always conservative. And the Muslims who invaded Spain actually were anti-Semites, and we oppose all anti-Semites. It's not based on color for us, it's based on morals. We don't select who we back and who we oppose based on color.
If you always were conservative it's because you always knew non-White immigration was bad for Jews. There is no way JTF would ever oppose non-Whites if they weren't anti-Semitic and you wouldn't mind flooding the West with non-Whites who are hostile to the nations they immigrate to. Historically, the Jews had good relations with Muslims and they still would if it weren't for the Arab/Israeli conflict. They supported the Moors and the Ottomans and had high administrative positions in their empires.
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An even higher percentage of blacks supported Obama, so why is your outrage directed at the only group of Jews that unanimously opposed Obama?
Blacks are leeching and always vote for democrats, whether they're Black or not. I'm simply pointing out that JTF acts pro-White but is not. You labeled Ron Paul a Nazi just because he said the Likud party had close relations with Neocons. How can anyone even deny this?
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An even higher percentage of blacks supported Obama, so why is your outrage directed at the only group of Jews that unanimously opposed Obama?
Blacks are leeching and always vote for democrats, whether they're Black or not. I'm simply pointing out that JTF acts pro-White but is not. You labeled Ron Paul a Nazi just because he said the Likud party had close relations with Neocons. How can anyone even deny this?
What do neocons have to do with the Likud party? On Israeli political issues, the neocons are no different from Peace Now.
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An even higher percentage of blacks supported Obama, so why is your outrage directed at the only group of Jews that unanimously opposed Obama?
Blacks are leeching and always vote for democrats, whether they're Black or not. I'm simply pointing out that JTF acts pro-White but is not. You labeled Ron Paul a Nazi just because he said the Likud party had close relations with Neocons. How can anyone even deny this?
Whats to deny? Ron Paul's positions puts him at odds with what JTF feels are the correct ones for our movement. The issue is not black or white it more like right and wrong. It seems to me your here with an agenda.
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Whats to deny? Ron Paul's positions puts him at odds with what JTF feels are the correct ones for our movement. The issue is not black or white it more like right and wrong. It seems to me your here with an agenda.
You deny that the Neocons had close ties with the likud party. You labeled him a Nazi from day 1. Ron Paul would have been good for White America but since you thought he's be bad for Jews you opposed him. So JTF is not pro-White but pro-Jewish. Just like the leftists Jews are pro-Jewish when they support multiculturalism and Obama. Just like your ancestors supported the Muslim Moors and Ottomans to invade Europe because it would benefit them despite the death and destruction it caused Whites. It's whatever is right and wrong for Jews not White.
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Whats to deny? Ron Paul's positions puts him at odds with what JTF feels are the correct ones for our movement. The issue is not black or white it more like right and wrong. It seems to me your here with an agenda.
You deny that the Neocons had close ties with the likud party. You labeled him a Nazi from day 1. Ron Paul would have been good for White America but since you thought he's be bad for Jews you opposed him.
Honestly all issues aside the man seems a little off his rocker. He might be ok for congress but I really could not see him as a front runner for the republican party. Supporting McCain was bad enough..... His lack of support for Israel was only one of many positions that he seemed out on a limb on. This guy wanted to put us back into the horse and wagon times.
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Marvin, you are really in no position to lecture us JTF people about now being pro-white. Anyone who would support Obama to get at the Jews is not pro white. Anyone who says America should be flooded with illegal aliens in not pro-white.
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Whats to deny? Ron Paul's positions puts him at odds with what JTF feels are the correct ones for our movement. The issue is not black or white it more like right and wrong. It seems to me your here with an agenda.
You deny that the Neocons had close ties with the likud party. You labeled him a Nazi from day 1. Ron Paul would have been good for White America but since you thought he's be bad for Jews you opposed him. So JTF is not pro-White but pro-Jewish. Just like the leftists Jews are pro-Jewish when they support multiculturalism and Obama. Just like your ancestors supported the Muslim Moors and Ottomans to invade Europe because it would benefit them despite the death and destruction it caused Whites. It's whatever is right and wrong for Jews not White.
What is your proof that the neocons have connections with Likud? Also, can you explain why you keep on suggesting that Jews cannot be white? Are these kids not white?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d4zmqSfE-J8/SITlW9WKVpI/AAAAAAAABPo/9NGfCybHKVY/s400/Haredi+kids+-+Satmar+kinderlach+-+WayUpNorthToNowhere.jpg)
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Well Marvin, I can certainly say the same thing about you white nationalist types. Quite of few of your people have told me flat out that they would support Obama because they know he'll be bad for Israel. In other words, you people would want the White House turned into a housing project just to get at us EEVIL JOOOS!
And don't forget that nustso Paul Craig Roberts who said he would love to see America overrun by illegal aliens if it would mean getting rid of "neocons."
Puh-leeze! You people are full of excrement.
80% of Jews voted for Obama while 40% of Whites voted for him.
The 80 % number is likely much higher than the real number, which probably was between 60 and 70 %. Many Jews and other people mentioned in the exit polls that they voted for Barack Hussein Obama. Very likely being concerned about being politically correct in public.
Being that many in the KKK and neo-nazis voted for BHO, its hypocritical to bring up the Jewish vote.
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Whats to deny? Ron Paul's positions puts him at odds with what JTF feels are the correct ones for our movement. The issue is not black or white it more like right and wrong. It seems to me your here with an agenda.
You deny that the Neocons had close ties with the likud party. You labeled him a Nazi from day 1. Ron Paul would have been good for White America but since you thought he's be bad for Jews you opposed him. So JTF is not pro-White but pro-Jewish. Just like the leftists Jews are pro-Jewish when they support multiculturalism and Obama. Just like your ancestors supported the Muslim Moors and Ottomans to invade Europe because it would benefit them despite the death and destruction it caused Whites. It's whatever is right and wrong for Jews not White.
What is your proof that the neocons have connections with Likud? Also, can you explain why you keep on suggesting that Jews cannot be white? Are these kids not white?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d4zmqSfE-J8/SITlW9WKVpI/AAAAAAAABPo/9NGfCybHKVY/s400/Haredi+kids+-+Satmar+kinderlach+-+WayUpNorthToNowhere.jpg)
When people start with suggestions like that its most often a slippery slope into the abyss of antisemitism.
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So you're saying that if you're against Ron Paul, you're anti-white? Why, because he represents white supremacists?
It depends on your intentions. You opposed Ron Paul because you thought he would stay out of the Middle East and not deal with Iran and his Likud party statement. The fact that you were viciously against Ron Paul is proof positive that JTF is like all Jews, they are willing to allow non-Jews to be harmed if they can benefit. This is the case with all non-Whites. At least other non-Whites never lie about being pro-White. You smeared Ron Paul and said he believed 9/11 was done by the government too. Some of his followers believed that but he obviously doesn't.
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Well where was the change? JTF never went from supporting leftist causes to supporting conservative ones, we were always conservative. And the Muslims who invaded Spain actually were anti-Semites, and we oppose all anti-Semites. It's not based on color for us, it's based on morals. We don't select who we back and who we oppose based on color.
If you always were conservative it's because you always knew non-White immigration was bad for Jews. There is no way JTF would ever oppose non-Whites if they weren't anti-Semitic and you wouldn't mind flooding the West with non-Whites who are hostile to the nations they immigrate to. Historically, the Jews had good relations with Muslims and they still would if it weren't for the Arab/Israeli conflict. They supported the Moors and the Ottomans and had high administrative positions in their empires.
At best the Jews and all infidels had Dhimmi status in Muslim countries.
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Leftist Jews are anti-Jewish when they support multiculturalism and Obama because both of those are anti-Jewish and are trying to destroy the Jewish people and support Muslim terrorists.
They think they're benefiting Jews and they know Whites will be harmed.
And Nazis are the ones who supported Muslims because they are anti-Semites.
You refer to everyone as Nazi when they're not pro-Jewish. Jared Taylor has Jews in his organization but he's a Nazi. So is Michael scheuer
JTF never claimed to be a white supremacist organization, we just see how decent whites are being criminalized by evil people.
You see how Whites are being criminalized along with Jews and have realized multiculturalism was a mistake. You now show a deceptive image that you're pro-White when you're just pro-Jewish and wouldn't mind harming Whites if it would help Jews.
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You lied about Johnathon Pollard helping America. He gave the Soviet Union locations of American spies and many of these spies were executed and the American spying network was disrupted. This was in exchange for information to Israel about Osirak. You lie and state that America benefited because Iraq was a threat to America when in reality they were friendly with America at that time and only a threat to Israel.
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Actually Ron Paul is like Nazis who claim to be white supremacists but side with Muslims even if his own country is harmed by it. Ron Paul made apologies for the Al Qaeda attacks and blamed America and also propagandized for Iran during the debates, so obviously he doesn't have the best interest of this country at heart. He actually sounds like a liberal Jew on those issues. He obviously doesn't care about his country, he just sides with whatever will harm the Jews most.
Ron Paul has problems and his foreign policies are bad. His foreign policies are better than all the other candidates that were running though.
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So Iraq being a threat to Israel is ok?
Obviously your views are contradictory to ours.
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marvin, you remind me of kufu and mud boy.
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Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
JTF doesnt oppose non-whites. It just so happens that a lot of nonwhites are evil.
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Leftist Jews are anti-Jewish because their policies harm Israel, regardless what they think. Hitler himself sided with the Muslims when he allied himself with Haj Amin Al-Husseini who wanted to extend the Holocaust into the Middle East, so obviously Hitler himself is not just someone we "refer to" as a Nazi. Could you please tell me the names of these Nazi organizations that welcome Jews? We didn't realize multiculturalism was a mistake, we knew it from the beginning--what is this change you're talking about? The only whites we don't mind harming are the evil ones.
I'm simply saying this. If these non-White immigrants weren't anti-Jewish JTF would be pro-multicultural and would support massive non-White immigration even if they were anti-White. You'd do this because you'd feel safe in a multicultural nation. Here is my evidence:
1. You opposed Ron Paul because he was indifferent toward Israel even though he was good for White America.
2. You support the release of Pollard because he was good for Israel but bad for White America.
3. You label Jared Taylor a Nazi despite the fact he has Jews in his organization.
4. You label Scheuer a Nazi because he opposes foreign aid to Israel despite the fact that you claim you oppose foreign aid to Israel yourselves.
This means you are just pro-Jewish and nothing else. If being pro-Jewish meant promoting policies that were bad for White America you'd promote them.
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1. You opposed Ron Paul because he was indifferent toward Israel even though he was good for White America.
How is Ron Paul good for the US? He sympathizes with terrorist nations. And being against Israel is bad for the U.S.
2. You support the release of Pollard because he was good for Israel but bad for White America.
Pollard was great for AMerica. He wanted to get rid of Moslem terrorists...again, good for the U.S.
[i]3. You label Jared Taylor a Nazi despite the fact he has Jews in his organization.[/i]
A nazi can have self hating Jews in an organization.
4. You label Scheuer a Nazi because he opposes foreign aid to Israel despite the fact that you claim you oppose foreign aid to Israel yourselves.
He can be a Nazi for other reasons? Don't you think it's possible genius?
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If I may chip in on this...........
How is Ron Paul good for the US? He sympathizes with terrorist nations. And being against Israel is bad for the U.S.
Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.
Pollard was great for AMerica. He wanted to get rid of Moslem terrorists...again, good for the U.S.
Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.
Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.
Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.
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Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
"...and remember kids: Don't feed the trolls!"
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JTF is not against non-whites. JTF is against evil people of all colors.
There's a lot of people out there that are trying to spread anti-Jewish conspiracy theories. Those people are wrong and can't prove their silly theories. Jewish people do not act as one unit and do not all have the same opinions. In fact many of the Jewish leaders in Israel have been fighting against the heroic Jewish settlers. It's true that there are leftist Jews but there are also right wing Jews. You need to stop thinking in terms of all Jews are like this or all Jews are like that.
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JTF is not against non-whites. JTF is against evil people of all colors.
There's a lot of people out there that are trying to spread anti-Jewish conspiracy theories. Those people are wrong and can't prove their silly theories. Jewish people do not act as one unit and do not all have the same opinions. In fact many of the Jewish leaders in Israel have been fighting against the heroic Jewish settlers. It's true that there are leftist Jews but there are also right wing Jews. You need to stop thinking in terms of all Jews are like this or all Jews are like that.
Hi Ruby. You are so correct.
I am sick of these ignorant people who think all Jews are leftists.
Shalom - Dox
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If I may chip in on this...........
Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.
Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.
I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.
Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.
JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't. They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc. They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.
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Marvin, Khutu or whomever else you are...
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If I may chip in on this...........
Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.
Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.
I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.
Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.
JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't. They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc. They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.
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JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't. They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc. They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.
JTF is pro-white, we're just not pro-Nazi.
Jonathan Pollard is a hero. You made the assertion that he is a traitor. The burden is on you to provide irrefutable proof that Pollard is a traitor.
Ron Paul is pure sewage and scum that appealed to anti-Jewish sentiments in his joke of a presidential campaign. On principle alone we'll never support such garbage.
I normally refrain from debating Nazis, such as yourself, and would honestly prefer to have your head smashed in. But if you wish to persist in this meaningless debate, I'll gladly tear you to shreds.
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JTF is pro-white, we're just not pro-Nazi.
No, you say you're pro-White but have proven you are only pro-Jewish.
Jonathan Pollard is a hero. You made the assertion that he is a traitor. The burden is on you to provide irrefutable proof that Pollard is a traitor.
The fact that he's in jail where he belongs is proof. I thought you were pro-White? Why would you disagree with what the "nazi" U.S. government's decision to convict him? You lie and say Iraq was a threat to America when they were allies with America at the time. Then you say he did no damage to America when the entire spying network was interruped and numerous American spies have been executed.
Ron Paul is pure sewage and scum that appealed to anti-Jewish sentiments in his joke of a presidential campaign. On principle alone we'll never support such garbage.
Ron Paul wanted White America to get out of the quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan and end foreign aid to Israel but JTF doesn't want that so they lie about him being a Nazi without a shred of evidence.
I normally refrain from debating Nazis, such as yourself, and would honestly prefer to have your head smashed in. But if you wish to persist in this meaningless debate, I'll gladly tear you to shreds.
Wow, you're calling me a Nazi. I'm so surprised. So any White American who doesn't want to get involved in your affairs is a "Nazi."
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JTF is opposed to third world immigration because they've realized that non-Whites won't tolerate them and now they act like they're pro-White. It was your ancestors that opened the gates to Europe for the Ottomans and the Moors and were rewarded with high administrative positions. In fact you had good relations with them until Zionism and would still be assisting them today if it weren't for that.
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No, you say you're pro-White but have proven you are only pro-Jewish.
Our position has always been that America should be a majority white country.
The fact that he's in jail where he belongs is proof. I thought you were pro-White? Why would you disagree with what the "nazi" U.S. government's decision to convict him? You lie and say Iraq was a threat to America when they were allies with America at the time. Then you say he did no damage to America when the entire spying network was interruped and numerous American spies have been executed.
This is a complete straw-man. Also, I'd like to see credible sources to back up your unsubstantiated claims.
Ron Paul wanted White America to get out of the quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan and end foreign aid to Israel but JTF doesn't want that so they lie about him being a Nazi without a shred of evidence.
(http://blogs4conservatives.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/rp-and-db.jpg)
That's Ron Paul posing with Don Black and his son Derek Black.
Wow, you're calling me a Nazi. I'm so surprised. So any White American who doesn't want to get involved in your affairs is a "Nazi."
What terminology should I use for someone who scapegoats an entire group of people for the vast majority of the problems of America?
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No, you say you're pro-White but have proven you are only pro-Jewish.
Our position has always been that America should be a majority white country.
The fact that he's in jail where he belongs is proof. I thought you were pro-White? Why would you disagree with what the "nazi" U.S. government's decision to convict him? You lie and say Iraq was a threat to America when they were allies with America at the time. Then you say he did no damage to America when the entire spying network was interruped and numerous American spies have been executed.
This is a complete straw-man. Also, I'd like to see credible sources to back up your unsubstantiated claims.
Ron Paul wanted White America to get out of the quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan and end foreign aid to Israel but JTF doesn't want that so they lie about him being a Nazi without a shred of evidence.
(http://blogs4conservatives.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/rp-and-db.jpg)
That's Ron Paul posing with Don Black and his son Derek Black.
Wow, you're calling me a Nazi. I'm so surprised. So any White American who doesn't want to get involved in your affairs is a "Nazi."
What terminology should I use for someone who scapegoats an entire group of people for the vast majority of the problems of America?
Mishmaat, the picture of him with Don Black isn't exactly evidence of him being a Nazi. Politicians take thousands of pictures with thousands of different people. I've been using the internet since 1995, and I didn't even know who Don Black was until 2 or 3 years ago. Its much less likely that a guy that probably doesn't go on the internet at all would even know what black's website is.
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Marvin, you are so pathetic!
Your sick obsession with Jews keeps you coming back for more and more each time you get banned.
Whats the matter marvin? You hate us, and at the same time you cannot function without us !
Your persistence in coming back over and over again tells me something about you.
It's highly likely that you might be a drug addict...I suspect you may use meth.
Your hatred for Jews could be a combination of your upbringing, your parents, the peers you
hang with and your inner rage caused by chemical drug abuse.
Another explaination for your ongoing presence ( using different forum names ) may stem
from another condition called paranoid schizophrenia.
As a paranoid schizophrenic you may have imagined a paticular enemy to focus on and that would be Jews.
The possibility does exist that you suffer from everything I have mentioned above, and in that case
you really are a mental mess.
Honestly you don't fool anyone here at the forum, everyone else here see's it too!
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Hey marv if that's your real name is Kennedy Jewish because he was the one who sponsored and pushed threw the immigration bill that allowed 3rd worlders into the U.S. About Spain that's 1 of the few of European countries i don't care about
There were plenty of White traitors that pushed for this. The Marxist, egalitarian Jews played the biggest role proportionately. The only reason why JTF is opposes the third world presence in America is because they have proven they hate Jews. So this isn't about Whites, for it's still about Jews. It was about Jews when they promoted these radical ideas to hide in a multi-cultural nation and it's about them now when they have realized this was a mistake.
Show a proof that Marx was a Jew. Just because antisemites consider someone a Jew it doesn't make it so. Do you know who is Jew and how it is determined?
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When Ron Paul ran for president as the Libertarian party candidate in 1988, he supported completely open borders. No more border guards, no more passports, no more visas, no more identification papers.
If Ron Paul had been elected in 1988, America today would already be 80% Third World.
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Marvin are you a Negro? Marvin is a Negro name.Now Marvin 53% of Catholics voted Obama and they make up 26% of U.S. with Jews making up only one and a half % of the electorate it would hardly have made a difference in any elections dumbo
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_demographic_breakdown_of_the_2008_Presidential_election_I.e._what_percentage_of_blacks_voted_What_percentage_of_hispanics_voted_What_percentage_of_whites_voted_etc&src=ansTT
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I don't see the relevance of Spain and the Moors to this discussion. Coming to think about it, today Spain and Morocco are bodies yet they both hate the Jews still. And FYI genius Marvin, the Jews had lived in Spain since Roman times, Before Christianity, the Visigoths or the Moors ever set foot there. We have nothing to apologize for trying to survive while two Jew hating barbaric people fighting each other.
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Marv made a video of himself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhVu3k2MYI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmypetjawa.mu.nu%2F&feature=player_embedded
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Starvin' Marvin and Teutonic Night - are they like ebony and ivory coalition ?!
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Starvin' Marvin and Teutonic Night - are they like ebony and ivory coalition ?!
Teutonic isn't retarded although they may be friends
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If I may chip in on this...........
Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.
Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.
I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.
Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.
JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't. They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc. They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.
Marvin i insult France for alot of reasons.About the Holocaust the French sent the Jews off to Concentration before and faster then nazis wanted them
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Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
There is some truth in it.
Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America.
Yes - Marxism is a mix from Christian and Reformed Jewish ideas. If you read the explanations of Jewish Communists, why they joined this political worldview, they will answer you, that they are in it because they are Jews and have to do Tikkun Olam. There is definitivly a connection. But you see the same disposition with Catholics specially with those from South America.
They were the driving force for the third world immigration law.
Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation.
Yes, althrough most Jews look white. But they hate this colour and feel guilty for it, because it is in their worldview the colour of the perpetrators. The most evil part in this issue is, that they equalize in their subconscious white people from Europe who started the inquisition, the Holocaust and the progroms with white US people and lots of their actions are driven by the motivation to payback. There was never a place like the USA for Jews in the Exile. Muslims and blacks were not the bearers of this. In fact it were white protestants who suffered under the hand of Europe too and founded this great nation. They should give this people more respect and not trying to hurt them.
This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain.
Never heard about this. The quranimals conquerred Spain in their Jihad. It was their war. Jews had nothing to do with it.
JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
The problem is basically, that the gap between the possibilities of Jews and third worlders is too great.
Judaism is pure intellect and self-discipline. Any thing Jews do need a reason. They are adamantine and sustained in their actions. Jews are trained from youngest childhood to controll their feelings and instincts, by the law of Moses. Their intellect is trained since early childhood too by studying the Torah and the Talmud. Not just reading, like other religions do. I don't talk about every Jew here, but this are things I noticed. The patterns even stay alive a few generations after leaving Judaism. Basically Jews are the elite-culture of this world. Asians and White Protestants have lots of cultural aspects too that make them successfull but the Jewish culture deserves obviously the first place.
So blacks and Muslims are exactly the opposite of Jews. They are obviously not controlling their instincts and feelings and sometimes I have the feeling if I speak to them, that they are like little children. I have often heard from them on the street the sentence. "[censored], I have to eat something." No self-controll and discipline. Of cause they are missing totally the skill of self-criticism. It is obvious. If they study their scriptures it is only repeating of sentences without understanding. (Perhaps better for us). If they work, they are not sustained and make lots of breaks. They want basically consume the whole day and think society owes them the money for it. Muslims have taxed dhimmis in their countries high as well as they robbed over centuries the Christian coasts of Europe. The parasitism is part of their culture and has it's roots in their history.
If you now put in a street in the half houses Jews and in the other part blacks and Muslims and give them the same starting conditions (It is only an extreme example), you will see very soon, that the Jewish houses will look nicer, their cars will be more expensive, the income of the Jews will be higher and even the Jews will be healthier and look better than the other group. On the other hand the houses of the other group will look shabby and they will even loose from the wealth they have started with. Now they will blame the Jews of all kinds of things to explain why they are more successfull like them. The next step is then to use the madeup stories to justify stealing and robbing from the Jews and then come the progroms.
Ask the complete black and Muslim leadership even in the USA about Jews and you will see that I am right.
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Marvin will be a big fan of this guy ;D Richard [censored] Silverstein ;D
Biden Gives Israel Green Light for Iran Attack
July 5th, 2009
I cannot believe what I’ve just read in the N.Y. Times. Joe Biden, in what appears to be either one of his monumental off the cuff gaffes; or else a major change in Obama administration policy–gave Israel a green light to attack Iran.
Plunging squarely into one of the most sensitive issues in the Middle East, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. suggested on Sunday that the United States would not stand in the way of Israeli military action aimed at the Iranian nuclear program.
The United States, Mr. Biden said in an interview broadcast on ABC’s “This Week,” “cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do.”
“Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” he said, in an interview taped in Baghdad at the end of a visit there.
If Obama doesn’t backpedal on this then we’ll have to parse the meaning assuming his remarks were orchestrated internally. If so, this would mean that Obama is talking tough to Iran for two purposes–one internal and one external. Internally, he would be trying to steal thunder from the Republicans who are criticizing his Iran policy as consisting of all carrot and no stick. The conservative leadership of the Jewish community (including Aipac and the Israel lobby) would react very favorably to such an apparent change of heart.
Externally, Obama could be sending a signal to the Iranians that his patience is not infinite and that he is willing to sick the dogs on them if they remain intransigent about their nuclear program. This sounds to me like a Dennis Ross special. It has Aipac-Israel lobby spin written all over it.
If Biden did not go off the reservation (as I hope to G-d he did), then it would mean that Obama, is at least in principle, expressing a willingness to abandon his policy, which had been yoked to diplomatic engagement and which had eschewed military solutions. Bibi has specifically begged the U.S. for a green light to attack Iran and until now Obama (and Bush before him) explicitly rejected the entreaty.
In a related development, the Times of London reports that Israel has received tacit approval from Saudi Arabia to use its airspace should it attack Iran. Uzi Mahnaimi, who wrote the story is not known for being the most reliable journalist. In this report he claims that the Mossad chief, who held secret talks with the Saudi, assures prime minister Netanyahu that the Saudis would not object to such an Israeli attack that flew over their airspace. This is a lame, incredible claim on its face. But it does show an Israeli desperation to ratchet up the pressure on Iran. And it also indicates a rather “clever” attempt on the part of the Israeli intelligence services to support their claim that it has “allies” among Arab states who would be happy to see Iran humiliated by an Israeli attack. Of course, no one in the Arab world has lent any credence to the Israeli claim. But that won’t stop them from trying.
Yet another news report claims that Israeli submarines sailed through the Suez Canal on their way to the Red Sea. The purported purpose was to signal the Iranians that Israelis subs could use their Cruise missiles as part of an attack on Iran. Lots of saber rattling going on. This is what the Obama administration has just encouraged. If you wanted to stir up a nuclear hornet’s nest I couldn’t think of a better way to do it.
For Obama to turn away from a peaceful resolution of its disagreements with Iran would be a major breach and deeply disappointing to those of us who have supported him in the expectation that we would see a realist-pragmatist foreign policy in place of the Bush era Rough Rider approach to conflict.
Someone will have to explain to me how Biden’s words are any different than those delivered by Dick Cheney on the Don Imus Show when he raised the possibility that Israel would attack Iran and that the U.S. would be understanding of its reasons for doing so. Is this why we elected Joe Biden and Barack Obama to office? So they could parrot the policies of the previous discredited inhabitants of the White House??
I’m hoping that we’re going to see a response from the White House saying Biden misspoke. If not, this is a cold wind that bodes ill.
UPDATE: This “clarification” from the White House is entirely disingenuous and dissatisfying and indicates that Obama thinks he can have it both ways (which he ultimately can’t):
White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said Biden’s remarks did not signaling any change of approach on Iran or Israel.
“The vice president refused to engage hypotheticals, and he made clear that our policy has not changed.”
Obama, while he never took military option off the table, never offered Israel any opening to attack Iran. This is a new and deeply troubling page in Obama administration policy toward Iran. Saber rattling has not worked for the Bushites regarding Iran and it will not work for Obama. If you want a peaceful resolution you pursue that. If you want war, you pursue that. Trying to sit on the fence doesn’t work especially in a political-diplomatic environment which is so charged.
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Former U.S. Congresswoman, Nobel Laureate Imprisoned by Israel
July 3rd, 2009
The Israeli government is attempting to compel the 23 abducted human rights workers who were sailing to Gaza as part of a humanitarian effort to break the Israeli blockade, to sign a deporation order that would prohibit them from visiting Israel for the next ten years. If they do not sign, Israel will continue to illegally imprison them. If they do sign, they have admitted violating Israel’s blockade and entering Israeli territorial waters without permission. That will bar them from the country for 10 years.
Just as an aside, when Norman Finkelstein was similarly and scandalously imprisoned by Israel when he attempted to visit a friend on the West Bank, he was willing to sign this deportation order, which I feel was a mistake on his part. But it’s hard to argue with the fact that spending an undetermined amount of time in an Israeli prison is one of the more unpleasant things that can happen to you and I can understand why one would seek to depart as quickily as possible. And he clearly isn’t planning or needing to spend any “quality time” in Israel anytime soon anyway. Feelings aren’t terribly warm and fuzzy between Finkelstein and the State of Israel (or its leaders anyway).
The Free Gaza Movement activists have not taken the bait and remain in prison. The U.S. government has not made the case a high profile one feeling it has bigger fish to fry regarding the settlement freeze issue. But the Obama folks are going to eventually face facts that having an ostensible U.S. ally holding four of our citizens for the crime of sailing a former ferry filled with medicine and other humanitarian aid to Gaza via international waters, is intolerable.
Someone will also have to explain to me how Gaza’s territorial waters have become Israel’s if the latter has truly withdrawn from Gaza as it likes to claim. The answer is the same as the one the White Rabbit gave: “a word means what I want it to mean, nothing more, nothing less.” So Israel conveniently abuses international maritime law and appropriates Gaza’s territorial waters when it suits; and when it doesn’t it claims it washed its hands of Gaza long ago and has no interest in it.
Also, can someone explain to me why Fox News has been providing the most extensive coverage of this incident in all the U.S. media. Not a word in the N.Y. Times, whose correspondent, Ethan Bronner apparently can’t be bothered to cover such an ‘insignificant’ story.
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A Perfect Seattle Summer Day, ‘Three Girls and Their Buddy’ Zootunes Concert
July 2nd, 2009
Wow. I’m actually taking a day off from writing about the Israeli-Arab conflict. And I’m going to write about something pleasant, peaceful and idyllic for a change.
Don’t tell anyone (in case they decide they should move here), but Seattle summers are simply glorious. And I’m going to tell you about one summer day (today).
My son, Jonah has spent the last two weeks in a musical theater camp taught by his public school music teacher. The musical’s theme was “outer space.” The kids did everything: made costumes, sets, learned lines, songs, and even baked dessert for the after performance dinner. Besides all this, they did day trips to the Museum of Flight and the University of Washington planetarium to learn more about space. They even picked 40 pounds of fresh raspberries at Remlinger Farms and made ice cream and pie out of it for the dinner.
Jonah loves tending and picking the greens in our home garden. So he informed me that we had to make a salad for the dinner. He was very worried about my doing the job and even wanted to start picking the greens the day before the event himself. I promised him I would do it earlier today so the greens would stay fresh. So I went out back and picked lettuce, spinach, sorrel, basil and Johnny Jump Ups, and the first purple bean of the season, along with snap peas from the Farmer’s Market, and we had ourselves a wonderful fresh summer salad.
The songs chosen for the musical were mostly wacky funny old rock and pop songs from the 60s and 70s. In their original form, these songs were at best insipid. But somehow when a group of children start singing about a “one-eyed, one-horned flying purple people eater” it is transformed into something charming. The production was amazingly resourceful. As I wrote, the kids made everything themselves. You shoulda seen the flying purple people eater! And they did it in the same spirit that Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney used to say: “Gee, let’s put on a show,” in those old MGM movies.
The entire thing was utterly charming from start to finish. Jonah was also jazzed that his mom invited a whole group of neighbors to walk down the street to the local church which hosted the performance. He had a very friendly audience! But the kids would’ve won over the most somber audience.
Even after we left the church grounds on our way to hear Emmylou Harris’s Three Girls and Their Buddy concert, my wife kept marveling at how wonderful the performance was.
At any rate, we made our way to the Woodland Park Zoo, where one of my favorite female performers in the world, Emmylou Harris was joining with Patty Griffin, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller for an outdoor performance in the Zoo’s north meadow. The space is a wonderful bowl surrounded by mature maple and pine trees. The summer evening was gorgeous with brilliant sunny weather.
At the Zootunes concert last week, when we came to see Mavis Staples and Allen Toussaint, we witnessed a bald eagle trailed by 10 crows who harried it incessantly. A wonderful sight and only here in our beautiful Northwest.
The concert was wonderful. I especially love the Shawn Colvin song which she sang tonight, I Don’t Know Why I Love These Things But I Do. It is simply one of the most profound, moving love songs I’ve ever heard and one of the best songs she’s ever written. As an aside, Allison Krause and Union Station turned it into a pretty credible up tempo bluegrass tune in their cover version.
But the piece de la resistance was Patty Griffin’s closing encore, Mary. The YouTube video here only begins to do justice to the gorgeous interweaving of heavenly harmonies in the final minute of the song when the three women’s voices simply soar. But listen to the video to get an approximation of how it sounded tonight.
Because Zoo Tunes concerts begin at 6 PM, tonight’s show ended at 8 and we didn’t want to go home before the kids were asleep (what’s the point of going out if you come home and have to put your kids to bed?). So I suggested that we have dessert at the Volunteer Park Cafe, which turned out to be lovely idea. We had a blueberry rhubarb crisp topped with whipped cream. It came out of the oven steaming hot. The sauce was thick and syrupy and had an intensely strong blueberry flavor. Again, another perfect Northwest summer dessert.
Even though we’ve lived here now for ten years, I still had to tell my wife how lucky we are to live here.
And please, remember, you didn’t hear this from me. We’d prefer to keep Seattle a secret just amongst ourselves. Just keep in mind all that foul, dark rainy winter weather we’re supposed to have (we actually average 10 inches LESS of rain yearly than New York City!). That ought to keep most of you away!
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N.Y. City Council Votes to Add Muslim Holidays to School Calendar
July 1st, 2009
Quick, someone get Daniel Pipes, the Islamists are restless. It appears they’re about to take over the NYC school system and perhaps even the City Council. How else to explain that the Council voted with only one nay to add the two most important Muslim holidays to the school calendar.
The only city official standing in the way of the adoption of the measure is the mayor, who remains to be convinced that a religious group comprising 12% of the school population deserves to have its own holiday recognized by the city. If Mayor Bloomberg is smart he’ll get those trusty Islamist-busters, Pipes and Stop the Madrasa on the case. In short order, they make a total mess out of the situation and have Jews and Muslims at each others throats. Which is just as it should be, right?
What puzzles me is that Bloomberg, who is up for re-election, doesn’t seem to be able to do the math: there are 600,000 Muslim voters in N.Y. To diss them doesn’t seem like an optimal election strategy. Furthermore, this comment isn’t going to help things:
The mayor told reporters before the vote that not all religions could be accommodated on the holiday schedule, only those with “a very large number of kids who practice.”
“If you close the schools for every single holiday, there won’t be any school,” he said.
Of course, Bloomberg is also thinking about the flack he’ll catch from the Muslim-haters among the 2-million Jewish voters. So I guess Mike’s solution is to ignore the Muslims and hope they’ll just go away. That oughta work.
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IDF Kidnaps U.S. Citizens, Nobel Laureate in Gaza Waters
June 30th, 2009
Let anyone who claims there is no difference between a Likud or Kadima government take note of Israel’s act of piracy on the high seas today when it surrounded an unarmed former ferry carrying 23 human rights activists (including a former U.S. Congresswoman, a Nobel laureate and 21 others) and humanitarian aid to Gaza. In similar past circumstances, the Olmert government allowed several such ships to dock in Gaza with their humanitarian cargo. The ship seized earlier today was attempting to break Israel’s siege against Gaza, which itself is a violation of international law.
All American citizens, whether you agree with the politics involved or not should be outraged by this violation of the norms of international and maritime conduct. American officials should be demanding that its four citizens be released immediately. Israel had no right to intercept this ship, nor to impound it or detain its passengers. It has no right to forcibly transfer them to Israeli territory.
The Free Gaza Movement released this statement by former Rep. McKinney:
“This is an outrageous violation of international law against us. Our boat was not in Israeli waters, and we were on a human rights mission to the Gaza Strip,” said Cynthia McKinney, a former U.S. Congresswoman and presidential candidate. “President Obama just told Israel to let in humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, and that’s exactly what we tried to do. We’re asking the international community to demand our release so we can resume our journey.”
And Nobel Laureate Mairead Maguire made the following protest:
“The aid we were carrying is a symbol of hope for the people of Gaza, hope that the sea route would open for them, and they would be able to transport their own materials to begin to reconstruct the schools, hospitals and thousands of homes destroyed during the onslaught of “Cast Lead”. Our mission is a gesture to the people of Gaza that we stand by them and that they are not alone” said fellow passenger Mairead Maguire, winner of a Noble Peace Prize for her work in Northern Ireland.
I should add that the Israeli navy will impound the ship in order to inhibit the future work on the FGM. Pressure must be exerted to get Israel to release the ship undamaged (it is highly likely that Israel will render the ship inoperable or permanently crippled if it ever does return it).
FGM suggests that those who wish to help may contact the following:
CONTACT the Israeli Ministry of Justice
tel: +972 2646 6666 or +972 2646 6340
fax: +972 2646 6357
CONTACT the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
tel: +972 2530 3111
fax: +972 2530 3367
CONTACT Mark Regev in the Prime Minister’s office at:
tel: +972 5 0620 3264 or +972 2670 5354
[email protected]
CONTACT the International Committee of the Red Cross to ask for their assistance in establishing the wellbeing of the kidnapped human rights workers and in securing their immediate release!
Red Cross Israel
tel: +972 3524 5286
fax: +972 3527 0370
[email protected]
Red Cross Switzerland:
tel: +41 22 730 3443
fax: +41 22 734 8280
Red Cross USA:
tel: +1 212 599 6021
fax: +1 212 599 6009
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Barak Meets Mitchell, Result–’Bupkis’ (Nothing)
June 30th, 2009
Smiles belie disagreements between Israel and U.S. (AP)
Smiles belie disagreements between Israel and U.S. (AP)
Last week, Bibi Netanyahu was scheduled to meet with George Mitchell in Paris. Shimon Shiffer of Yediot Achronot reported that Mitchell cancelled and told the Israelis to come back when they had something real to put on the table. The result was Ehud Barak’s half-baked settlement freeze “compromise,” which had the legs cut out from under it by half the members of the senior ministerial committee that considered it, before Barak even presented it to the Americans. Such is the fragmented, dysfunctional nature of the current Israeli government.
Anyway, Israel’s Mr. Smith went to Washington and met with Mitchell today and the result was…bupkis–nothing. But what’s really interesting is to see how two Israeli reporters report the same event. Let’s start with the more credible version from Maariv’s Meirav David (in Hebrew):
According to Barak, the meeting was positive. But by its conclusion there was no resolution of the disagreement between Israel and the U.S. Barak tried to persuade Mitchell to open a more comprehensive regional peace process [rather than dealing with settlements].
Those in Barak’s party agreed that in the longer-term it will be necessary for Israel to agree to a formulation which will stop settlement construction. But in the course of the meeting neither Mitchell nor Barak succeeded in finding a satisfactory formulation.
Now note how Haaretz’s Barak Ravid reports the same meeting:
Defense Minister Ehud Barak and U.S. special Mideast envoy George Mitchell agreed during their talks in New York this week that Israel must take action toward easing access for Palestinians in the West Bank and halting settlement activity.
Their four-hour discussion brought Israel and the United States closer to ending its dispute over settlement construction, a source close to Barak said.
Mitchell did not explicitly tell Barak that Israel must impose a complete freeze on settlements – as the U.S. has been demanding – but rather emphasized that Jerusalem must take “action” on the matter, according to a Defense Ministry statement following the talks.
Asked whether Israel would declare a temporary settlement building freeze, Barak told reporters following the meeting: “I think that it’s a little bit too early to predict.
…While significant progress was made in the talks, said the source close to Barak, differences remain over a number of subjects.
“There is still disagreement, but the direction is positive and there is a good dialogue,” a source close to the defense minister said.
First, Ravid has told you that Barak’s “freeze-lite” proposal either wasn’t even floated at the meeting or wasn’t taken seriously when it was. Second, Ravid has spun the meeting with some positive flim-flam that has absolutely no basis in fact. You read his article and find me one concrete factual development that accords with the positive spin he’s given to the story. Then, keep in mind that the Maariv reporter more accurately noted there essentially was no agreement on anything of substance. The only thing they agreed on was that Mitchell would be back in the Middle East in two weeks. Big deal.
Third, the notion that Mitchell didn’t tell Barak that Israel had to impose a total settlement freeze is preposterous on its face. After all, this IS declared U.S. government policy. To believe that Mitchell would not have reiterated the stated policy of his own government is to say that Mitchell is an incompetent envoy. And believe me, Mitchell is NOT incompetent.
So as far as Ravid’s report is concerned, it’s simply not credible. Among close observers of the Israeli media Ravid is a reporter known for having extremely cozy relationships with his establishment govenrment sources. In such an environment, reporters and sources scratch each others’ backs and the former tailor reporting to make their sources look as good as possible. It appears that Meirav David doesn’t feel the need to do this, bless him.
H/t Sol Salbe. Comment is Free today published my take on the meeting, Settlement Freeze Fraud, which was written yesterday before it had taken place. As usual the comment thread with a few exceptions has been monopolized by pro-Israel rightists and a bit of reason and light from those with a different perspective would be helpful.
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Sabeel Founder, Naim Ateek, in Seattle-Everett
June 30th, 2009
Canon Naim Ateek
Canon Naim Ateek
July 18-20, 2009
Canon Naim Ateek is an Episcopalian priest, and often referred to as “The Desmond Tutu of Palestine”. He was born in the Palestinian village of Beisan, south of the Sea of Galilee, and grew up in Nazareth. Ateek established the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center in Jerusalem in 1991. Before that, he served as Canon of St. George’s Cathedral in Jerusalem and as a parish priest in Haifa and Nazareth. www.sabeel.org
He is scheduled to speak on:
SATURDAY, JULY 18th
Kadima House, 10:00 to noon - 12353 8th Ave. NE, Seattle 98125
This service will be the first time that Ateek has been a guest at an American Jewish congregation
Ascension Episcopal Church, 6:30 PM – 2330 Viewmont Way West, Seattle
Reservations: $50 at Brown Paper Tickets (800) 838-3006
www.brownpapertickets.com
SUNDAY, JULY 19th
Saint Marks Cathedral – 1245 Tenth Ave. East, Canon Naim Ateek will preach at the regular 9 and 11 am services.
MONDAY, JULY 20th
First Presbyterian Church, – 2936 Rockefeller Avenue, Everett, lunch with Canon Naim Ateek featured speaker. 12 noon to 2:00 PM Reservations by calling 425-259-7139. Leave name and number attending.
Ateek’s newest book is A Palestinian Christian Cry for Reconciliation, which will be available on his July tour in Western Washington.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/ :::D :::D :::D copy and paste he blocked this site
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JTF is opposed to third world immigration because they've realized that non-Whites won't tolerate them and now they act like they're pro-White. It was your ancestors that opened the gates to Europe for the Ottomans and the Moors and were rewarded with high administrative positions. In fact you had good relations with them until Zionism and would still be assisting them today if it weren't for that.
Marvin...you are blind. Go check out ALL of our JTF videos. Of COURSE we are "Pro-Jewish"
THE JEWISH TASK FORCE- we are also pro-Christian and pro-Gentile.
You have some real anger issues, and my guess is that you are just mad at the Bolshevik left. Well, NO Jewish forum OR movement stands against the Govt. in Israel and the Govt in USA more than WE DO. We do NOT believe in foreign aid to Israel.
Anyway... I have SO HAD IT with people like you that just come to act like A $$es
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I'm non-White, and at no times did i feel JTF is against Non-whites. Third world immigration is a different thing all together. As an Indian and a Hindu Nationalist, I feel are were made into a third world nation my pro-muslim socialist politicians of India, the once who proclaim to be founding fathers of India, made our country into a third world country, always sucking upto the muslim minority.
And Jews are neither pro-white nor against any races. Jews have contributed immensely to world progress, have rich and great culture. So pls shut up your gutter and bark somewhere else.
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The fact that he's in jail where he belongs is proof. I thought you were pro-White? Why would you disagree with what the "nazi" U.S. government's decision to convict him? You lie and say Iraq was a threat to America when they were allies with America at the time. Then you say he did no damage to America when the entire spying network was interruped and numerous American spies have been executed.
From one unsubstantiated position hopping to another, spewing evil statements... Marvin or khufu or whatever you stupid name is - you are just a troll. Get lost!
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numerous American spies have been executed.
THAT WAS DUE TO ALDRIDGE AMES WHO DID THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT ON POLLARDS CASE.AMES CAUSED THE DEATH OF THE .U.S. AGENTS POLLARD WAS A GOOD SCAPE GOAT LOOK IT UP ON THE WEB.AFTER AMMES WAS CAUGHT IT WAS FOUND OUT AND HE ADMITTED TO IT
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Our position has always been that America should be a majority white country.
Again, your position is based on the fact that non-Whites won't tolerate Jews. The leftist Jews support massive non-White immigration because they think they can hide in a multi-cultural nation but as JTF has realized they're in for a big surprise.
This is a complete straw-man. Also, I'd like to see credible sources to back up your unsubstantiated claims.
He's was convicted and that's the proof.
(http://blogs4conservatives.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/rp-and-db.jpg)
That's Ron Paul posing with Don Black and his son Derek Black.
You labeled him a Nazi long before this was revealed simply because he said the Neo-cons have close ties with the likud party, which is true. Paul accepted their money. So what? Accepting money doesn't mean you agree with the person giving it.
What terminology should I use for someone who scapegoats an entire group of people for the vast majority of the problems of America?
I did no such thing. JTF is lying when they say they're pro-White.
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They hate the White race
Sounds like a certain neo-nazi is a little insecure...
Let's be clear marvin, Jews don't hate the white race. But we DO hate neonazis like you.
Now take your moonbat conspiracy theory fantasies elsewhere.
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Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.
I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.
Shalom & G-d Bless!
Dox
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Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.
I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.
Shalom & G-d Bless!
Dox
Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.
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Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.
I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.
Shalom & G-d Bless!
Dox
Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.
MARV THE NIGRAS ,LATINOS AND MUSLUMS AND FOR GOOD MEASURE GYPSIES ARE COMING AFTER YOU
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I think it's time for Marvin to beat it.
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Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.
What a jerk - a typical lier, mixing half-truths and lies! Jews were one of the greatest asset to America and made it a superpower. Guess what, the prediction of the whole world becoming evil and turning against Israel is not something that you've deduced in your "brilliance" - it was predicted thousand of years ago in Torah and thereby lies a blessing for Israel. And we also know how it is going to end - your satanic ilk is bound to loose!
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I think it's time for Marvin to beat it.
Hugs for Lisa ~~~> (((((((( Lisa ))))))))))
Thanks and Shalom - Dox : )
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I just banned that nazi pig Marvin.
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TROLL
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marvin when and if you return please post here first thank you
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/board,4.0.html
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Lisa, we do appreciate this.
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
La la ...la la la la la.....la la la la la.....de de de de de DA!
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If Marvin comes back, I'll just ban him again.
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MARVIN, DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT...... :laugh: :::D 8)
Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.
I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.
Shalom & G-d Bless!
Dox
Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.
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Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.
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Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.
This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.
But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.
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Uhhh Jews and anti-white are a oxymoron.
Your thinking about commie pinkos with some "Jewish background". Would one call themselves a Christian while defying everything the bible says? Wearing a star of David does not make one Jewish.
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Hello White, I hate it when they sterotype Jews. Every Jew is different and some orthodox Jews voted for obama, my brother and his wife support obama. I asked my brother if he was angry at obama's turning his back on Israel and my brother didn't answer me right away. At that moment I stopped discussing obama. My SISTER IN LAW TURNED MY BROTHER INTO A LIBERAL!
My brother and his wife are orthodox and clearly support obama. At one point my brother lied to me and said he didn't vote for obama, and then when I tried to discuss obama, my brother tried to defend him. So what am I to make of this? Obviously he lied to me.
I think there are different types of Jews who voted for obama, some are very liberal, some are not religious and some who are orthodox did vote for the monster obama.
Shalom - Dox
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Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.
This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.
But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.
It is a misconception that Moses Mendelssohn "started" reform Judaism. Many people have distorted a few of his statements, and even the real, actual founders of reform Judaism tried to claim him as a legacy or as following in his tradition, but it simply is not true. Mendelssohn was a "frum" Jew (meaning, Orthodox, mitzvah observant Jew).
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Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.
This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.
But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.
It is a misconception that Moses Mendelssohn "started" reform Judaism. Many people have distorted a few of his statements, and even the real, actual founders of reform Judaism tried to claim him as a legacy or as following in his tradition, but it simply is not true. Mendelssohn was a "frum" Jew (meaning, Orthodox, mitzvah observant Jew).
You mean reform Judaism developed over the years?
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Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.
Whatever the case we should not allow animals like marvin to come into our forum and cause us to break ranks with Jews that may be of a more liberal bend then what the standard is here on our forum. It might be good to discuss issues like that for productive purposes but that's not what marvin had in mind. I just don't want to see creatures like him get the satisfaction with his divide and conquer tactics. This is what this animal was after when he came here. The filthy troll kept repeating the same talking points that were really comical when you think about how much of a joke his hero Ron Paul really is. I gave up on the thread when he kept on insisting Jews are non white. I am glad that Lisa finally blew him out the door. He really was a waist of time debating with.
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DWI I have thought about it. I think the core of the problem is the relation of the congregation to the society and the gouvernment. Is she willing to assimilate or is she willing to stand to her own constitution.
The indicators are not the special values and political position the congregation takes a stand of. Obviously this is changing depending from the spirit of the time.
It is about if the congregation is willing to live up to their own spirit that she obviously has and it is written in her own constitution even it is not popular.
I think Mendelssohn made there a decision. Jews and non Jews lived in his time very frum. Modesty and piety was understood.
So his followers could put the spirit of time and their place in society without too much pain higher than their naturally own.
Later than the values of society changed and so they changed too.
I have seen the same developement in the para-statal churches of Germany.
In the Hitler time the majority preached pleasant to the regime. In the DDR they preached pleasant to the regime. In newer days they preached and are preaching for leftist values, social justice and multiculturalism. They would even preach JTF like if we would have (what is nearly impossible) a sane gouvernment. I would laugh this day loud.
This way is the most easy way to disappear spiritually.
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Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.
I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.
Whatever the case we should not allow animals like marvin to come into our forum and cause us to break ranks with Jews that may be of a more liberal bend then what the standard is here on our forum. It might be good to discuss issues like that for productive purposes but that's not what marvin had in mind. I just don't want to see creatures like him get the satisfaction with his divide and conquer tactics. This is what this animal was after when he came here. The filthy troll kept repeating the same talking points that were really comical when you think about how much of a joke his hero Ron Paul really is. I gave up on the thread when he kept on insisting Jews are non white. I am glad that Lisa finally blew him out the door. He really was a waist of time debating with.
I don't break ranks. I really don't like the worldview of most American Jews. But althrough of this, I wish them not bad and I will always stay a supporter of the Jewish state and Chaim.
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This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.
But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.
It is a misconception that Moses Mendelssohn "started" reform Judaism. Many people have distorted a few of his statements, and even the real, actual founders of reform Judaism tried to claim him as a legacy or as following in his tradition, but it simply is not true. Mendelssohn was a "frum" Jew (meaning, Orthodox, mitzvah observant Jew).
You mean reform Judaism developed over the years?
Well this is also true, but what I meant was that Moses Mendelsohnn himself had nothing to do with "reform Judaism," (it began after his time), and he was an Orthodox Jew himself. He had certain rational tendencies that the creators of reform Judaism sought to attach themselves to so that they would be viewed as if operating under the mantle of Mendelsohn's worldview and his theology (to give them more legitimacy, because Mendelsohn was universally recognized as a brilliant thinker), but they were not being completely honest in claiming him as their heroic figure.
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I don't break ranks. I really don't like the worldview of most American Jews. But althrough of this, I wish them not bad and I will always stay a supporter of the Jewish state and Chaim.
I agree with you (although some of these American Jews are not technically Jewish), but I will add that I don't like the worldview of most American Christians either--even the so-called right-wing evangelicals. Just look at Huckabee and what he embodies, for instance.
I know full well that most German "Christians" are the same way.
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I don't break ranks. I really don't like the worldview of most American Jews. But althrough of this, I wish them not bad and I will always stay a supporter of the Jewish state and Chaim.
I agree with you (although some of these American Jews are not technically Jewish), but I will add that I don't like the worldview of most American Christians either--even the so-called right-wing evangelicals. Just look at Huckabee and what he embodies, for instance.
I know full well that most German "Christians" are the same way.
Indeed, they are.
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Many American Jews are like richard silverstein and a guy called mondoweiss put the name mondoweiss in your browser and you will see a ccommunist
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If I may chip in on this...........
How is Ron Paul good for the US? He sympathizes with terrorist nations. And being against Israel is bad for the U.S.
Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.
Pollard was great for AMerica. He wanted to get rid of Moslem terrorists...again, good for the U.S.
Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.
Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.
I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.
Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.
Ron Paul, is a Moslem loving scum bag.
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Why dont you go pull the plank out of your OWN eye, and your OWN religion.
We already condemn leftist Jews WITHOUT YOUR assistance.
Tell us ALL about the Catholic ....nevermind.... the REAL GOOD Catholics here expose it themselves.
You are a nazi troll. Ruby was right, you people are getting EASIER to spot, does not even take 11 posts. LOL
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Marvin is obviously an anti Semite to the core. He thinks that Jewish people genetically and historically sneak around to screw over other people. This is classic anti Semitism at its worse.
Marvin,
Don't tell me that any group goes around for the benefit of other groups. Every country, people, and nation has looked after it's own interests and when those interests have coincided, those people work together. That includes whites, who for instance in Poland or Slovakia needed Jews to help them build castles or expand their economies. Jews have always been immersed in education, G-d and family so they have been successful throughout history. JTF has friends from around the world who have a common goal. Friends look out for each other and many Jews have fought and died for their friends in the past. Also, because Jews have followed the Bible, they want good to prevail. Many Jews (and Catholics, Protestants and whites) fought for blacks because they felt they were being oppressed. Now many Jews realize the problems with black culture and society. Also, Jews (when allowed to) have immersed themselves and been involved with the societies they have lived in. They have been on the left and the right but have always wanted to get involved and participate. When Jews are involved, people like you think they are taking over. When they don't get involved they are up to some secret plan according to people liken you.
You're an idiot Marvin. Of course the Jewish Task Force cares about the Jewish people. JTF also cares about conservative values that are based on the bible. Most blacks and many hispanics are not only anti semitic but they also hate America. Would you rather have JTF embrace people who are promiscuous, corrupt and violent? Isn't it good when someone shares your values even if you may not come from the same place? I don't know if the Jews "invited" the Moors into Europe but the Spanish weren't exactly welcoming guests to the Jews before this happened. Queen Isabella ordered that all non Christians be killed, tortured and converted or cast out of Spain. Why should Jews, (if any of this is true)be loyal to a government that killed and tortured them in the most horrific ways?
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JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't.
JTF is not deceptive. Here are people who understand, that the USA is a successfull story and that it is the nation with the best relations between Jews and white Christians. Never was such a place for Jews in the exile.
On the other hand almost all blacks and Muslims have be prooven, that they are anti-semites. No matter what Jews did good to them.
So JTF has sanity and reason. Unfornatually JTF minded people are a small minority in all countries outside Israel.
They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, ...
Ron Paul is a true traitor. I.e. he excuses the Muslims for the worst terrorist attack on US-citizens and blaims the US gouvernment for it. I have seen it myself on Youtube. I am shure he at least like what they are doing.
On the other hand Pollard only passed some information to an allied nation. This didn't justify this long prison sentence. The US have told the Israelis, that the information will be shared with Israel before. But they broke their promise. So Pollard took it.
... and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc.
Concerning the nations that took part in the holocaust. What do you expect? ::)
They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.
JTF support the best possible canidate. There is simply no 100 % match.
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Well where was the change? JTF never went from supporting leftist causes to supporting conservative ones, we were always conservative. And the Muslims who invaded Spain actually were anti-Semites, and we oppose all anti-Semites. It's not based on color for us, it's based on morals. We don't select who we back and who we oppose based on color.
If you always were conservative it's because you always knew non-White immigration was bad for Jews. There is no way JTF would ever oppose non-Whites if they weren't anti-Semitic and you wouldn't mind flooding the West with non-Whites who are hostile to the nations they immigrate to. Historically, the Jews had good relations with Muslims and they still would if it weren't for the Arab/Israeli conflict. They supported the Moors and the Ottomans and had high administrative positions in their empires.
What exactly is your point? That the main station of Mumbai is crowded with people whhile it is raining in New York City? :::D
Really, you should see the Nazis who allied themselves with Muslims which they saw as scum and subhumans only because Muslims were Jew haters. As soon as Nazis get from Muslims what they want (e.g. genocide of Jews), they will kick the Muslims bottoms and do the same to them. Just as the Muslims themselves do it with Nazis.
This is what we call the "useful idiot" in Germany: The one who is abused to fullfill another one's goal and if done so, he gets kicked himself!
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I just banned that nazi pig Marvin.
*victory march*
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Good bye Starvin Marvin
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Good bye Starvin Marvin