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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Peace.Tranquility.Calm on July 08, 2009, 10:22:27 PM
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I have created an account on this forum because a friend of mine told me about it. She informed me that they banned her for being Muslim. I came to check this site out and to see what it was about. All I have seen so far is pure propaganda. Let me just get this straight, I do not hate Jews. In fact, my very close friend is a Jew.
I'm not here to change your thoughts because I honestly don't care. I am a peaceful Muslim willing to have a decent conversation with anyone. If you just want to offend me, I'll ignore you. I haven't done anything wrong so if I'm banned from this site just for being a peaceful, tranquil and calm Muslim, I'll know my friend was telling the truth. I love and want peace, now do you guys?
Salaam & Shalom
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
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What is your definition of peace?
We will have peace when all the Arabs who are terrorizing the Jews in Israel move back to where they come from. Otherwise we really don't care what you are. Jews have lived alongside every ethnic group without forcing others to convert. Your religion is one which forces people to convert, and there is a long history of this. I would like to hear you condemn all your terrorist bretheren who believe in their wicked hearts that they are killing themselves and others for your 'god'.
What is Islam to you? Doesn't it intend to dominate the world? I believe Islam is evil in its heart and it is not the faith of the true G-d of the Universe. There are so many things about Islam which defy Judaism and this is why we believe Islam is a Satanic religion.
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
He was not really peaceful in the chat with me and with Moshe92...HE MUST BE BANNED!
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
I am not going to ask you about your opinion on Israeli policies. I only ask you if you recognise Israel's right to exist as a Jewish Sate.
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
He was not really peaceful in the chat with me and with Moshe92...HE MUST BE BANNED!
No, don't ban him, just let him speak. There was a teenage Muslim girl here a long ago.
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What is your definition of peace?
We will have peace when all the Arabs who are terrorizing the Jews in Israel move back to where they come from. Otherwise we really don't care what you are. Jews have lived alongside every ethnic group without forcing others to convert. Your religion is one which forces people to convert, and there is a long history of this. I would like to hear you condemn all your terrorist bretheren who believe in their wicked hearts that they are killing themselves and others for your 'G-d'.
What is Islam to you? Doesn't it intend to dominate the world? I believe Islam is evil in its heart and it is not the faith of the true G-d of the Universe. There are so many things about Islam which defy Judaism and this is why we believe Islam is a Satanic religion.
The Qur'an says: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
If you guys want peace, the Muslim should incline to peace. The Arabs belong where they are. Also, it would be hard for them to leave when they are surrounded by walls. Kind of reminds me of an internment camp. What would you call the Christian missionaries in Africa converting thousands from Islam. I would say they are forcing them by threatening them with no food if they don't convert. I condemn any human being who kills themselves(suicide is a sin) who kill thousands of innocent. Anyone could do anything in the sake of Allah doesn't mean it's right.
Islam is the believing of One God and that Muhammad (PBUH) is his messenger. Islam does not intend to dominate the world, it's the Islamic Empire that does. Anything that defies Islam in Judaism and Christianity means that Man has changed it. As a Muslim I believe in the Torah, the Psalms, and Gospel. Meaning that we believe that all the Abrahamic religions were from One God.
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
He was not really peaceful in the chat with me and with Moshe92...HE MUST BE BANNED!
What did I say wrong in the chat. I was very kind and well mannered while you threatened me and told me who you killed today.
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
Where?? The UN was MADE to apologize for LYING about "Israel supposed war crimes" Just the other day with the UN School.
ISLAM IS EVIL.
You need to read:
OBADIAH. You are Israels half brother if you are A-rab- this is Israel:
(http://elyakatz.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/map-middle-east-7353291.gif)
Israel is a TINY place and Arabs are BULLIES, and YOU KNOW IT. Israel was 'made for sympathy?'
THAT is how you respect the G-D that will part the sea and send plague and destruction upon those that REFUSE to BLESS Israel??
Remember, we have been dealing with BULLY A-rabs for 6000 PLUS years, this is a TRIVIAL battle, in the eyes of the L-rd our G-d.
SO WATCH IT!
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
I've already stated my thoughts on Israel. Just look back. All of those groups you named are crazy lunatics who don't understand Islam. You can't just kill anyone for the sake of Allah. They break the laws of war, only fight in self defense. They cannot harm a child, woman, elderly, disabled or anyone who is unarmed. Sharia law should stay in Muslim countries. The other Muslims trying to bring it to the west is wrong because they don't own this country. Before bringing it in a foreign country they should enforce it back home. Women should have the choice to cover themselves and they do as it states in the Qur'an. It demonstrated that she is obeying her lord. If one would force her to cover, she is doing it for them and not her lord. I think Judaism is a beautiful religion as it was sent by the same God I follow.
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
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Mohamud was no prophet... You romanticize the cretin. Your religion engages in Taqiya, the intentional lying in order to further your world domination goals. I also reject about every thing you say. Allah is not a name of the Almighty. It is the name of the moon-G-d of the pagans.
Your religion came around 700 years after Christianity. Christianity started over 1700 years after Judaism was well established and we had two Holy Temples destroyed. Your people are the descendents of the wicked Ishmael, Abrahams wayward slave womans son. Your religion has twisted the word of G-d. We do not believe in the 'gospels' because we know that Moshiach will come {he has not come as others, and yourself, suggest}.
I am sorry but I reject your offer of peace. Please go elsewhere with your lame attempt at peace.
We witnesses the splitting of the Sea of Reeds, we witnessed miracles in the desert when we received the ten statements at the Mount of Sinai. My people are chosen by the Master of the Universe to establish the kingdom of G-d in this world. Your people stand opposite of us, bringing death and darkness into the world. Your people are killing my people, and my brother was a victim of 9/11 and I do not forgive Islam for standing by as they plotted and planned in the vile mosques.
I want the wicked Al Aqsa toilet bowl on the mount removed, either peacefully or by force. I want to see that abomination removed from the mount. I will see the rebuilding of our holy temple and the absolute shame which will visit those who worship the false god allah.
I do not want to be friends with a muslim like you.
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
Where?? The UN was MADE to apologize for LYING about "Israel supposed war crimes" Just the other day with the UN School.
ISLAM IS EVIL.
You need to read:
OBADIAH. You are Israels half brother if you are A-rab- this is Israel:
(http://elyakatz.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/map-middle-east-7353291.gif)
Israel is a TINY place and Arabs are BULLIES, and YOU KNOW IT. Israel was 'made for sympathy?'
THAT is how you respect the G-D that will part the sea and send plague and destruction upon those that REFUSE to BLESS Israel??
Remember, we have been dealing with BULLY A-rabs for 6000 PLUS years, this is a TRIVIAL battle, in the eyes of the L-rd our G-d.
SO WATCH IT!
Israel has committed more than one crime honey.
The white phosphorus, not letting Red Cross in, killing women holding white flags, etc!
One thing that sickens me the most is that they are not prosecuted.
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You say that Arabs are sorrounded by walls. It is true, but not by Israel. Even if Israel wanted to give them those lands in which they are now, they are not allowed to enter Egypt or Jordan, even when these are Muslim countries. Arabs who are called Palestiniaans (some of them for just having been under the British Mandate fro only two years) and their descendants, are not allowed to become citizens in nearly no Arab country. So, I agree with you that many Arabs living in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and others in other countries are suffering, but it's the Arab neighboring States who cause their suffering.
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Israel was protecting itself from Hamas launching rockets into Israel. It was a big mistake to move Jews out of Gaza because it only gave the insects a better place to launch from. I would like to push them back to where they came from. Egypt should open the border and let their arab brothers in.
You are a misguided troll and I am working to have you banned.
Maybe we should send some JTFers to go agitate on some Muslim forums... I am beginning to feel that these trolls are going to start coming here more often to upset us. There is no 'debate' with a person like this. They have chosen the evil side and they, like the yetzer hara, will continue to push our buttons and disturb our spiritual level.
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I hope you get banned berry berry soon!
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I hope you get banned berry berry soon!
That's what I have said...
Muman:
Israel did only half job. We must really finish the campaigns against the terrorist muslim nazis!
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
My Jewish friend believes in a 2 state solution. I have no problem with a FAIR 2 state solution. Muhammad's religion of the truth was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam. Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
My Jewish friend believes in a 2 state solution. I have no problem with a FAIR 2 state solution. Muhammad's religion of the truth was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam. Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
Why I have a feeling that you don't have any Jewish friend. Or do you have in your dreams or imagination? Or maybe he is a neturei karta member?
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
My Jewish friend believes in a 2 state solution. I have no problem with a FAIR 2 state solution. Muhammad's religion of the truth was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam. Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
You don't know the meaning of peace my friend. Islam has your mind wrapped around falsehood.
Peace means giving people free choice to choose good from evil. Judaism will prevail in this world, as He told our prophets and sages. You represent the other side to us, the Amaleks of the world.
PS: You are aware that our Holy Torah gives us the right to protect ourselves from attacks by people who want to kill us. It is also wrong according to Judaism, actually one of the TEN SAYINGS, that Murder is Prohibited... So you parrot what Torah says and expect us to believe Islam is peaceful?
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I hope you get banned berry berry soon!
Banned. Remind me what i did wrong again? That's right, nothing. Just say it, you guys want me and will ban me for being Muslim.
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
My Jewish friend believes in a 2 state solution. I have no problem with a FAIR 2 state solution. Muhammad's religion of the truth was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam. Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
Why I have a feeling that you don't have any Jewish friend. Or do you have in your dreams or imagination? Or maybe he is a neturei karta member?
I don't need you to believe that I have a Jewish friend. I have learned a lot of Judaism from him, many things that I never knew.
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Muman....pwease ban dis muzzie...PWEASE PWEASE PWEASE!
Tink bout it pwease...tanks!
Shalom & G-d bless!
Dox
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I do not support the banning, but I'd say that you should not compare the killing of innocent people with an humoritsic cartoons. Jews and Christians have been ridiculised and offended many times, and they never say that blasphemy is like killing a person.
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
My Jewish friend believes in a 2 state solution. I have no problem with a FAIR 2 state solution. Muhammad's religion of the truth was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam. Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
You don't know the meaning of peace my friend. Islam has your mind wrapped around falsehood.
Peace means giving people free choice to choose good from evil. Judaism will prevail in this world, as He told our prophets and sages. You represent the other side to us, the Amaleks of the world.
PS: You are aware that our Holy Torah gives us the right to protect ourselves from attacks by people who want to kill us. It is also wrong according to Judaism, actually one of the TEN SAYINGS, that Murder is Prohibited... So you parrot what Torah says and expect us to believe Islam is peaceful?
Are you aware that Islam has the 10 commandments as well? Are you also aware that we believe in the Torah and all the prophet from Adam to Muhammad. I actually don't need you to believe that Islam is peaceful.
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I hope you get banned berry berry soon!
Banned. Remind me what i did wrong again? That's right, nothing. Just say it, you guys want me and will ban me for being Muslim.
You libeled Israel in the chat room. You also said that "Israel is only strong with USA"... >:(
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Muman....pwease ban dis muzzie...PWEASE PWEASE PWEASE!
Tink bout it pwease...tanks!
Shalom & G-d bless!
Dox
I would ban him from the full Earth. ;D And you?
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
When did "Palestinians" own that land? It belonged to the turks before the british and then the Romans before them. The British gave A LOT of land to the Arabs. Arabs have plenty of places to go.
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I hope you get banned berry berry soon!
Banned. Remind me what i did wrong again? That's right, nothing. Just say it, you guys want me and will ban me for being Muslim.
No, not because you are a muslim, but because what you said demonstrates that you are not prepared for peace with the Jewish nation.
I want you banned because your PBUH and your allah stuff makes me puke. As a religious Jew I know that you are speaking falsehood. You pretend to be faithful and a good servant, yet what you serve is evil. I know you will not explore the Jewish religion, and we are not trying to proselytize you.
But provoking us here with your incorrect understanding of Israel and its relationship to the Jewish world, and the entire world. I don't believe you will learn the truth because if you accept Islam you have already closed your mind.
I want to save this forum from a constant nagging presence which stands counter to our goals. I would appreciate it if you would just give up and never come back.
What is it you expect us to believe you are here for? Do you expect to change our view of Islam? We know what the Koran says, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the goal of Islam is to subjugate the world. Hashem, G-d, does not need to subjugate the world. We, the Jewish religion, believe that this world is not the reality. We use this world to attain a better afterworld. We are here to battle those who rise to kill us, as it has been throughout Jewish history. It is your people who have risen against us in this millenium.
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I do not support the banning, but I'd say that you should not compare the killing of innocent people with an humoritsic cartoons. Jews and Christians have been ridiculised and offended many times, and they never say that blasphemy is like killing a person.
WHY SHOULD WE HAVE MUSLIM MEMBERS? MAYBE HE WILL SPY...
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Muman....pwease ban dis muzzie...PWEASE PWEASE PWEASE!
Tink bout it pwease...tanks!
Shalom & G-d bless!
Dox
I would ban him from the full Earth. ;D And you?
I do not have banning power, unfortunately .... I can suggest it...
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I do not support the banning, but I'd say that you should not compare the killing of innocent people with an humoritsic cartoons. Jews and Christians have been ridiculised and offended many times, and they never say that blasphemy is like killing a person.
Killing anyone is never permissible unless it's in self defense. That cartoon was not funny at all it was insulting. Anyone has the right to say and do whatever they like but no one has the right to insult others. It's something called respect that many people lack! With no respect, the problems will only get worse.
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I don't deny that the cartoons are insulting, but I would never compare an insult with MURDER. Even my friends insult me sometimes when they get angry.
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Read the Torah mr islam... Hashem clearly promises Abraham that his child Yitzak will inherit the land, after a period of exile in Egypt. Hashem also promises the Children of Israel in the Midbar that he will never reject them, and even when his anger rages against us, he will still keep his promise. Then there is no way your false prophet can speak the truth. Torah clearly says to Stone to Death a false prophet, one whose prophecies are not true. It also says that anyone who says to cease following the 613 mitzvahs must be a false prophet, it clearly says this and you expect the jews to believe this mohumud creep?
I don't buy it... Your imams have twisted the word, and the world. I have studied Torah and Talmud, and I learn 3 hours a day. I also Daven 3 times a day. I reject Islam 100% and will die rather than convert, and I will speak Shema when they kill me.
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Peace and Tranquility, can you explain to me why Muslims have a total of 66 countries, but your people won't allow the Jews one tiny country in the Middle East?
As for the white phosphorous business, what you conveniently ignore is that even the Red Cross ruled that its use was legal. And they're certainly no friends of us Jews.
Furthermore, you people and your leftist enablers in the West love to pontificate about how Israel kills "innocent" fakestinian "civilians." But the fact of the matter is that your menfolk are spineless cowards who routinely hide behind their women and children rather than fighting like real men. So why is that Israel's fault for accidentally killing your beloved human decoys? If you don't want your women and children killed, then you shouldn't throw rockets into Israel, and encourage your kids to blow themselves up.
Another thing I've noticed is that your people will wail hysterically before the cameras whenever one of your human shields accidentally gets killed by Israeli soldiers. Yet you would no doubt be ecstatic if these same human shields strap bombs on themselves, blow themselves up, and kill as many Jews as possible.
One last thing. You can drop the victim routine. If you do get banned (and you seem like a troll), it won't be because you're a Muslim. It will be because you excuse Muslim violence against Israel while pretending to be the victim.
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I do not support the banning, but I'd say that you should not compare the killing of innocent people with an humoritsic cartoons. Jews and Christians have been ridiculised and offended many times, and they never say that blasphemy is like killing a person.
Killing anyone is never permissible unless it's in self defense. That cartoon was not funny at all it was insulting. Anyone has the right to say and do whatever they like but no one has the right to insult others. It's something called respect that many people lack! With no respect, the problems will only get worse.
Evil speech is a sin, but there are times when it is required. But the punishment for evil speech is not in this world, it is in the next world.
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Basically because I'm Muslims, just say it already. I've proven to everyone that I want peace by befriending others from different races and religions, by learning their beliefs, etc. I'm [censored] tired of bloodshed! People in this world are ignorant and stupid and all they do is fight! We will never live in peace if we continue this way. We need stop hating each other just because of the religions or cultures we come from. Instead of being ignorant, learn about it, gain some knowledge. I would never dare to attempt to offend someone else. I had no clue about the religion of Judaism and I would never attack it. What did I do, I made an attempt to learn about it, something that seems so hard for all you guys.
I just want to tell most of you guys to smarten up because I know that your religion does not teach you to act like these. My hours on this forum I've got continuous death threats, ban threats, insults, etc. Honestly, what did I do? I already know I'm going to be banned so if any of you guys want to continue a one on one debate, send me your email and we can have a CIVILIZED debate.
Shalom and Salaam
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I noticed you haven't answered my questions.
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I noticed you haven't answered my questions.
Lisa.
Look what he did. He provocates us...
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Read the Torah mr islam... Hashem clearly promises Abraham that his child Yitzak will inherit the land, after a period of exile in Egypt. Hashem also promises the Children of Israel in the Midbar that he will never reject them, and even when his anger rages against us, he will still keep his promise. Then there is no way your false prophet can speak the truth. Torah clearly says to Stone to Death a false prophet, one whose prophecies are not true. It also says that anyone who says to cease following the 613 mitzvahs must be a false prophet, it clearly says this and you expect the jews to believe this mohumud creep?
I don't buy it... Your imams have twisted the word, and the world. I have studied Torah and Talmud, and I learn 3 hours a day. I also Daven 3 times a day. I reject Islam 100% and will die rather than convert, and I will speak Shema when they kill me.
The Qur'an also says that the Jews would go back to their land. The Jews thought that a majority of their prophets were false, that's why they murdered them. Ends up they were prophets. May God guide you all to the right path.
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I think you are exagerating that there were death threats. I have said very strongly that I am against Islam because it has risen against me and my people. Islam worked with Hitler to exterminate Jews in WWII and now the Islamists are trying to kill me.
I dont know you personally and maybe you are honest... But I don't have the trust to believe you.
According to the Jewish belief the age of prophecy ended 700 years before Mohamud. He was no prophet..
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I noticed you haven't answered my questions.
Patience lady, as you can see you're not the only one on this forum.
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Only the most naive person that participates in this forum will believe in Peace.Tranquility.Calm's white-washed version of Islam. I think muman provided the most appropriate responses. I also think that it is futile debating with a Muslim. With that said, this fellow hasn't violated any rules yet, and therefore he's permitted to post.
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9/11 was a product of islam.
Did muslim leaders not align themselves with hitler?
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Calm, we are not here to discuss religious beliefs. There is religious freedom in most countries, and surely in Canada. You can learn about Judaism, it's ok. But you cannot tell the Jews which prophets they have to believe in.
And as Muman said, evil speech can be a sin, but no reliogious group can punish sins for themselves. I think it's quite a provocation to equate insulting to murder. We have freedom of speech in America and Europe. Some countries may have some laws against public insults, others not. You cannot dictate other nations what to forbid or not. By the way, I know that Judaism and the Talmud is often insulted in Arab countries. But neither Israel nor the Jews abroad have ever taken punitive actions for that.
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Peace and Tranquility, can you explain to me why Muslims have a total of 66 countries, but your people won't allow the Jews one tiny country in the Middle East?
As for the white phosphorous business, what you conveniently ignore is that even the Red Cross ruled that its use was legal. And they're certainly no friends of us Jews.
Furthermore, you people and your leftist enablers in the West love to pontificate about how Israel kills "innocent" fakestinian "civilians." But the fact of the matter is that your menfolk are spineless cowards who routinely hide behind their women and children rather than fighting like real men. So why is that Israel's fault for accidentally killing your beloved human decoys? If you don't want your women and children killed, then you shouldn't throw rockets into Israel, and encourage your kids to blow themselves up.
Another thing I've noticed is that your people will wail hysterically before the cameras whenever one of your human shields accidentally gets killed by Israeli soldiers. Yet you would no doubt be ecstatic if these same human shields strap bombs on themselves, blow themselves up, and kill as many Jews as possible.
One last thing. You can drop the victim routine. If you do get banned (and you seem like a troll), it won't be because you're a Muslim. It will be because you excuse Muslim violence against Israel while pretending to be the victim.
Listen, Ms Lisa. What would give the Jews the right to take someone elses land? It's like me saying, "Oh the race of Native Americans don't have a land anymore, let's make a 2 state solution with Canada." Since when do the natives get to choose what happens to a whole country when they are in fact a minority. Oh well, they suffered so much.
What makes dropping white phosphorous on a population burning many legal?! If I can recall correctly, Hamas didn't launch any rockets during the six month cease fire. So what did Israel do? They killed six militants because they supposedly were digging a tunnel. The media is the deadliest weapon. It can change people opinions and thoughts very easily. You don't see it, but many Muslims are angered when other Muslims kill others or blow themselves up. It make the majority look bad. lol, oh how funny you guys are. First of all, like I said before, Israel and Palestine both have their faults. Only a complete ignorant fool would blame just one party. ahem.
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Peace and Tranquility, can you explain to me why Muslims have a total of 66 countries, but your people won't allow the Jews one tiny country in the Middle East?
As for the white phosphorous business, what you conveniently ignore is that even the Red Cross ruled that its use was legal. And they're certainly no friends of us Jews.
Furthermore, you people and your leftist enablers in the West love to pontificate about how Israel kills "innocent" fakestinian "civilians." But the fact of the matter is that your menfolk are spineless cowards who routinely hide behind their women and children rather than fighting like real men. So why is that Israel's fault for accidentally killing your beloved human decoys? If you don't want your women and children killed, then you shouldn't throw rockets into Israel, and encourage your kids to blow themselves up.
Another thing I've noticed is that your people will wail hysterically before the cameras whenever one of your human shields accidentally gets killed by Israeli soldiers. Yet you would no doubt be ecstatic if these same human shields strap bombs on themselves, blow themselves up, and kill as many Jews as possible.
One last thing. You can drop the victim routine. If you do get banned (and you seem like a troll), it won't be because you're a Muslim. It will be because you excuse Muslim violence against Israel while pretending to be the victim.
Listen, Ms Lisa. What would give the Jews the right to take someone elses land? It's like me saying, "Oh the race of Native Americans don't have a land anymore, let's make a 2 state solution with Canada." Since when do the natives get to choose what happens to a whole country when they are in fact a minority. Oh well, they suffered so much.
What makes dropping white phosphorous on a population burning many legal?! If I can recall correctly, Hamas didn't launch any rockets during the six month cease fire. So what did Israel do? They killed six militants because they supposedly were digging a tunnel. The media is the deadliest weapon. It can change people opinions and thoughts very easily. You don't see it, but many Muslims are angered when other Muslims kill others or blow themselves up. It make the majority look bad. lol, oh how funny you guys are. First of all, like I said before, Israel and Palestine both have their faults. Only a complete ignorant fool would blame just one party. ahem.
When did "Palestinians" own that land? It belonged to the turks before the british and then the Romans before them. The British gave A LOT of land to the Arabs. Arabs have plenty of places to go.
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Is it worth debating him? In my opinion, their is nothing to debate about when it comes to Israel. The fakestinians are a modern day creation that never existed. Lets just make this muzzy understand that when Chaim ben Pesach becomes prime minister of Israel, it will be very clear that their is no such thing as "Allah" either. Lets see if Allah helps the muzzies when Chaim is in power.
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I have some questions for you. Why is that the majority of Muslims in the world resort to violence when trying to solve something? Why do they commit some of the most barbaric crimes such as torture and beheadings with pleasure while citing verses from the Koran? We never hear about these kinds of barbaric acts being commited by Jews or Christians. Why do Muslims become suicide bombers and why do they enjoy terrorizing people who are of different religions? Why are they intolerant of other religions?
If you were an objective observant and you observed these kinds of acts being commited on a constant basis by a single group of people, wouldn't you say there is something wrong with this group of people and the religion or its teachings, which they profess to follow? Wouldn't you say that there is something clearly wrong with this religion if it intices people to act and behave in these ways?
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I think you are exagerating that there were death threats. I have said very strongly that I am against Islam because it has risen against me and my people. Islam worked with Hitler to exterminate Jews in WWII and now the Islamists are trying to kill me.
I dont know you personally and maybe you are honest... But I don't have the trust to believe you.
According to the Jewish belief the age of prophecy ended 700 years before Mohamud. He was no prophet..
Actually I've gotten death threats in the chat room. I actually don't care that you're against Islam. Islam did not and would never do such a thing. Maybe some crazed Muslims did but if you could recall, the Albanian Muslims saved the lives of many of your brothers and sisters. Go out and you will see that a majority of the Muslims are against these Islamists. They do not represent our religion. Like I said before, a majority of the prophets were called false such as Zechariah and what did the Jews do? They killed him.
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It was never the Arabs land to begin with. The land was conquered by the Romans, conquered by the Spanish, and there never in history was a Palestinian nation, and there is no such thing as a Palestinian... You do know that Palestinian was what Jews were called until we were able to set up a state. You do know that the arabs were offered quite a lot of land, and Jordan which is where all the arabs were supposed to go... And all the Jews in the surrounding lands were expelled so that they could be conveniently killed in the 1948 war of Statehood when the arabs rose against the Jewish state. And it was a modern miracle that they won that fight, because the british were on the sides of the arabs, those bastards.
You do not know history if you believe the propaganda of Hamas and Hezbollah...
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I think you are exagerating that there were death threats. I have said very strongly that I am against Islam because it has risen against me and my people. Islam worked with Hitler to exterminate Jews in WWII and now the Islamists are trying to kill me.
I dont know you personally and maybe you are honest... But I don't have the trust to believe you.
According to the Jewish belief the age of prophecy ended 700 years before Mohamud. He was no prophet..
Actually I've gotten death threats in the chat room. I actually don't care that you're against Islam. Islam did not and would never do such a thing. Maybe some crazed Muslims did but if you could recall, the Albanian Muslims saved the lives of many of your brothers and sisters. Go out and you will see that a majority of the Muslims are against these Islamists. They do not represent our religion. Like I said before, a majority of the prophets were called false such as Zechariah and what did the Jews do? They killed him.
I do know my history and my prophets, as I reminded you that I study 3 hours a day... I do not need your twisted understanding of Jewish history and our relationship to Hashem. Your understanding of King David must be twisted as well. I do not expect a non-Jew to understand these topics.
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I smell a nazi.
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I think you are exagerating that there were death threats. I have said very strongly that I am against Islam because it has risen against me and my people. Islam worked with Hitler to exterminate Jews in WWII and now the Islamists are trying to kill me.
I dont know you personally and maybe you are honest... But I don't have the trust to believe you.
According to the Jewish belief the age of prophecy ended 700 years before Mohamud. He was no prophet..
Actually I've gotten death threats in the chat room. I actually don't care that you're against Islam. Islam did not and would never do such a thing. Maybe some crazed Muslims did but if you could recall, the Albanian Muslims saved the lives of many of your brothers and sisters. Go out and you will see that a majority of the Muslims are against these Islamists. They do not represent our religion. Like I said before, a majority of the prophets were called false such as Zechariah and what did the Jews do? They killed him.
Moslems can never respond to these facts
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You will never get any straight answers from muslims. All they respond with is excuses and lies.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one God and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
Why are there so many imams caught on tape saying some of the most racist and anti-semitic things. Every Friday in mosque they continue the hatred. This is the face of islam.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
When did "Palestinians" own that land? It belonged to the turks before the british and then the Romans before them. The British gave A LOT of land to the Arabs. Arabs have plenty of places to go.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
Oh it's the guy who told me how much Muslims he killed.
I can tell you've met 0 Muslims in your life.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
PZ,
No, not all muslims are violent. I will speak truth when I say that in my workplace I work with several Muslims, and Christians, and Hindus, and Buddhists, and we all get along... But we don't discuss politics {except with my Israeli friend}.
PS: I am openly a very religious Jew because of my tzittzits and kippah... I have never heard a comment from the Muslims I work with and they don't wear turbins or any outward sign of their religion.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
Oh it's the guy who told me how much Muslims he killed.
I can tell you've met 0 Muslims in your life.
In my real life I met 2 muslims. But on the internet and on international forums I met much. And I have reasons for the hate. 9/11 is only one reason. Put me a favor. Kill yourself and go to hell. We don't need you.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
PZ,
No, not all muslims are violent. I will speak truth when I say that in my workplace I work with several Muslims, and Christians, and Hindus, and Buddhists, and we all get along...
Those were all violent brother. There was a large forum called "The Vote Nation" and muslims discussed "Jihad" against Jews and against Christians...they also wrote that they want to see "Jewish blood"...
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
PZ,
No, not all muslims are violent. I will speak truth when I say that in my workplace I work with several Muslims, and Christians, and Hindus, and Buddhists, and we all get along...
Those were all violent brother. There was a large forum called "The Vote Nation" and muslims discussed "Jihad" against Jews and against Christians...they also wrote that they want to see "Jewish blood"...
I don't know what Muslims you are talking about... I thought you were talking about all of them... Maybe I misunderstood and you meant the 2 which you know...
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
PZ,
No, not all muslims are violent. I will speak truth when I say that in my workplace I work with several Muslims, and Christians, and Hindus, and Buddhists, and we all get along...
Those were all violent brother. There was a large forum called "The Vote Nation" and muslims discussed "Jihad" against Jews and against Christians...they also wrote that they want to see "Jewish blood"...
I don't know what Muslims you are talking about... I thought you were talking about all of them... Maybe I misunderstood and you meant the 2 which you know...
I'm sure that all are violent. But all I have met were aggressive and fanatic nazis. By the way I met much on the internet. There wasn't except. 99% of them hate us, and if they had nukes, they would use it against Israel.
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One thing that sickens me the most is that they are not prosecuted.
How unbelievably stupid do you think we are, camelbanger?
Tell me about Amir Popper!
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It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority.
When you compare the amount of violence to the number of Muslims in the world (approx. 1.5 billion) that may be true. But this kind of behavior is prevalent in Muslim countries and Muslim populated areas.
They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life.
So your fellows in Afghanistan, Somalia, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, Russia, ect... have all twisted the words of Allah? We're not talking about a small minority of Muslims here. The true face of Islam has shown itself. There is something wrong with your religion. I know it isn't easy to admit it because we are all brought up and raised to obey and adhere to our religion and culture. You may be a decent person at heart but I think you are misguided and blinded by your religion.
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is this some joke?
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kufu turned into martin that turned into muslim. Anyone see a pattern here?
Shalom - Dox
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I get a laugh out of these koranimals.
Even the most 'peaceful' ones insist that the Jews stole their land.
Even the most 'peaceful' of them insist on drawing some sort of moral equivalency between Israel's acts of self-defense and the never ending murder, mayhem, terrorism, and barbarity that Islam is undeniably responsible for worldwide.
If it were up to me, I'd ban any koranimal (or anyone sympathetic to the koranimals) from JTF immediately. No debate. No reason necessary. You're a muslim or support the islamic agenda ? That's reason enough.
Muslims should be as welcome here as 'infidels' are in Mecca.
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I have seen and spoken to lots of Muslims personally in my life.
One thing I noticed for shure. They see themselve as people that are born to gouvern over non Muslims. They want to be the boss and Quran and Sunnah teach this believe.
But all failed to archieve something in real life. So there is a gap between their self-picture and of the reality.
All Muslims I met had an aggressive attitude. The more they followed Islam and believed in it's teachings the more aggressive was the attitude.
We can't live together, so we at JTF propose the transfer of the Muslim miniority in western countries & Israel to Islamic states.
I think this is the best solution for all.
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This is my opinion. One should not talk to muslims. Ever. No talks, no negotiations. Ignore them as if they don't exist. If they threaten or attack you, deal with them accordingly. If you talk to them, you accord them too much respect. You put them on the same level as yourself. You expend your energy in vain. In fact, you give your energy to them, because they are energy vampires and feed on your energy. Remember: evil is depleted of creative power. All creativity comes from G-d, and the good are creative because they are with G-d. Those on the side of evil has no creativity and own energy, so they need to get it from the good side by getting a rise out of them. While you are getting angry and responding to this vile creature in all earnestness, this evile energy vampire from the dark side is getting a feast at your expense. This is why the correct response is not to feed the trolls. Ignore him. NO DIALOGS BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL ARE POSSIBLE. Better yet: ban him. Moderators, you don't need an "excuse." This creep needs to go away, to crawl back underground into his evil dominion of darkness. :P >:( :laugh:
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I have seen and spoken to lots of Muslims personally in my life.
One thing I noticed for shure. They see themselve as people that are born to gouvern over non Muslims. They want to be the boss and Quran and Sunnah teach this believe.
But all failed to archieve something in real life. So there is a gap between their self-picture and of the reality.
Ulli, your observation is very accurate. They are prisoners of their own imagination. To such extent that they really believe they won in 1973 Yom Kippur war and celebrate victory evrey year.
I also noticed that this "peaceful" Muslim referred only to the questions he liked to answer. Those that could get him in trouble he just passed by.
There is no point to debate with Muslims. They cannot do it rationally. They debate not to find the truth but to resound their propaganda cliches.
As opposed to the western worldview, the ability to lie to the counterpart and convince him (by any means possible) that the lie is a truth is highly valued in muslim society.
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Hello sir.
Can you give us some forums you have been on?
Peace brother, love, and all that.
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Who is the muslim friend of him he claimed had been banned ?
A muslim is a follower of the lies and wickedness of Muhammad yimach shmo, whose message came from his sick mind and not from god. Anyone who reads the quran and compare it to the bible which the quran supposedly follows, can see how the Quran is completely inconsistent including outright childish anachronism such as identifying Miriam from exodus to Miriam from the Christian bible and Haman from Esther as a vizier to Pharaoh in Exodus.
With all the peace and tranquility the quranimal in this thread has already accused the Jews with a classic quranimal liable of "murdering most of their prophets".
A good man would reject the wicked Quran, especially if he resides in a non-muslim country, where other beliefs are not repressed as the practice of the Quranimals.
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Hate to break it to you, but the use of white phosphorous is NOT illegal:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1231866575577
Furthermore, the Jews did NOT steal the land from the Arabs. The Arabs were given Jordan, and the Jews got Israel. But you people weren't content with that. Here's what blogger Larry Auster has to say:
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There is a myth hanging over all discussion of the Palestinian problem: the myth that this land was "Arab" land taken from its native inhabitants by invading Jews. Whatever may be the correct solution to the problems of the Middle East, let's get a few things straight:
§ As a strictly legal matter, the Jews didn't take Palestine from the Arabs; they took it from the British, who exercised sovereign authority in Palestine under a League of Nations mandate for thirty years prior to Israel's declaration of independence in 1948. And the British don't want it back.
§ If you consider the British illegitimate usurpers, fine. In that case, this territory is not Arab land but Turkish land, a province of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years until the British wrested it from them during the Great War in 1917. And the Turks don't want it back.
§ If you look back earlier in history than the Ottoman Turks, who took over Palestine over in 1517, you find it under the sovereignty of the yet another empire not indigenous to Palestine: the Mamluks, who were Turkish and Circassian slave-soldiers headquartered in Egypt. And the Mamluks don't even exist any more, so they can't want it back.
So, going back 800 years, there's no particularly clear chain of title that makes Israel's title to the land inferior to that of any of the previous owners. Who were, continuing backward:
§ The Mamluks, already mentioned, who in 1250 took Palestine over from:
§ The Ayyubi dynasty, the descendants of Saladin, the Kurdish Muslim leader who in 1187 took Jerusalem and most of Palestine from:
§ The European Christian Crusaders, who in 1099 conquered Palestine from:
§ The Seljuk Turks, who ruled Palestine in the name of:
§ The Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, which in 750 took over the sovereignty of the entire Near East from:
§ The Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, which in 661 inherited control of the Islamic lands from
§ The Arabs of Arabia, who in the first flush of Islamic expansion conquered Palestine in 638 from:
§ The Byzantines, who (nice people—perhaps it should go to them?) didn't conquer the Levant, but, upon the division of the Roman Empire in 395, inherited Palestine from:
§ The Romans, who in 63 B.C. took it over from:
§ The last Jewish kingdom, which during the Maccabean rebellion from 168 to 140 B.C. won control of the land from:
§ The Hellenistic Greeks, who under Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. conquered the Near East from:
§ The Persian empire, which under Cyrus the Great in 639 B.C. freed Jerusalem and Judah from:
§ The Babylonian empire, which under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. took Jerusalem and Judah from:
§ The Jews, meaning the people of the Kingdom of Judah, who, in their earlier incarnation as the Israelites, seized the land in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. from:
§ The Canaanites, who had inhabited the land for thousands of years before they were dispossessed by the Israelites.
As the foregoing suggests, any Arab claim to sovereignty based on inherited historical control will not stand up. Arabs are not native to Palestine, but are native to Arabia, which is called Arab-ia for the breathtakingly simple reason that it is the historic home of the Arabs. The terroritories comprising all other "Arab" states outside the Arabian peninsula—including Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, and Algeria, as well as the entity now formally under the Palestinian Authority—were originally non-Arab nations that were conquered by the Muslim Arabs when they spread out from the Arabian peninsula in the first great wave of jihad in the 7th century, defeating, mass-murdering, enslaving, dispossessing, converting, or reducing to the lowly status of dhimmitude millions of Christians and Jews and destroying their ancient and flourishing civilizations. Prior to being Christian, of course, these lands had even more ancient histories. Pharaonic Egypt, for example, was not an Arab country through its 3,000 year history.
The recent assertion by the Palestinian Arabs that they are descended from the ancient Canaanites whom the ancient Hebrews displaced is absurd in light of the archeological evidence. There is no record of the Canaanites surviving their destruction in ancient times. History records literally hundreds of ancient peoples that no longer exist. The Arab claim to be descended from Canaanites is an invention that came after the 1964 founding of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the same crew who today deny that there was ever a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Prior to 1964 there was no "Palestinian" people and no "Palestinian" claim to Palestine; the Arab nations who sought to overrun and destroy Israel in 1948 planned to divide up the territory amongst themselves. Let us also remember that prior to the founding of the state of Israel in 1948, the name "Palestinian" referred to the Jews of Palestine.
In any case, today's "Palestine," meaning the West Bank and Gaza, is, like most of the world, inhabited by people who are not descendants of the first human society to inhabit that territory. This is true not only of recently settled countries like the United States and Argentina, where European settlers took the land from the indigenous inhabitants several hundred years ago, but also of ancient nations like Japan, whose current Mongoloid inhabitants displaced a primitive people, the Ainu, aeons ago. Major "native" tribes of South Africa, like the Zulu, are actually invaders from the north who arrived in the 17th century. India's caste system reflects waves of fair-skinned Aryan invaders who arrived in that country in the second millennium B.C. One could go on and on.
The only nations that have perfect continuity between their earliest known human inhabitants and their populations of the present day are Iceland, parts of China, and a few Pacific islands. The Chinese case is complicated by the fact that the great antiquity of Chinese civilization has largely erased the traces of whatever societies preceded it, making it difficult to reconstruct to what extent the expanding proto-Chinese displaced (or absorbed) the prehistoric peoples of that region. History is very sketchy in regard to the genealogies of ancient peoples. The upshot is that "aboriginalism"—the proposition that the closest descendants of the original inhabitants of a territory are the rightful owners—is not tenable in the real world. It is not clear that it would be a desirable idea even if it were tenable. Would human civilization really be better off if there had been no China, no Japan, no Greece, no Rome, no France, no England, no Ireland, no United States?
Back to the Arabs
I have no problem recognizing the legitimacy of the Arabs' tenure in Palestine when they had it, from 638 to 1099, a period of 461 years out of a history lasting 5,000 years. They took Palestine by military conquest, and they lost it by conquest, to the Christian Crusaders in 1099. Of course, military occupation by itself does not determine which party rightly has sovereignty in a given territory. Can it not be said that the Arabs have sovereign rights, if not to all of Israel, then at least to the West Bank, by virtue of their majority residency in that region from the early Middle Ages to the present?
To answer that question, let's look again at the historical record. Prior to 1947, as we've discussed, Palestine was administered by the British under the Palestine Mandate, the ultimate purpose of which, according to the Balfour Declaration, was the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. In 1924 the British divided the Palestine Mandate into an Arabs-only territory east of the Jordan, which became the Kingdom of Trans-Jordan, and a greatly reduced Palestine Mandate territory west of the Jordan, which was inhabited by both Arabs and Jews.
Given the fact that the Jews and Arabs were unable to coexist in one state, there had to be two states. At the same time, there were no natural borders separating the two peoples, in the way that, for example, the Brenner Pass has historically marked the division between Latin and Germanic Europe. Since the Jewish population was concentrated near the coast, the Jewish state had to start at the coast and go some distance inland. Exactly where it should have stopped, and where the Arab state should have begun, was a practical question that could have been settled in any number of peaceful ways, almost all of which the Jews would have accepted. The Jews' willingness to compromise on territory was demonstrated not only by their acquiescence in the UN's 1947 partition plan, which gave them a state with squiggly, indefensible borders, but even by their earlier acceptance of the 1937 Peel Commission partition plan, which gave them nothing more than a part of the Galilee and a tiny strip along the coast. Yet the Arab nations, refusing to accept any Jewish sovereignty in Palestine even if it was the size of a postage stamp, unanimously rejected the 1937 Peel plan, and nine years later they violently rejected the UN's partition plan as well. When the Arabs resorted to arms in order to wipe out the Jews and destroy the Jewish state, they accepted the verdict of arms. They lost that verdict in 1948, and they lost it again in 1967, when Jordan, which had annexed the West Bank in 1948 (without any objections from Palestinian Arabs that their sovereign nationhood was being violated), attacked Israel from the West Bank during the Six Day War despite Israel's urgent pleas that it stay out of the conflict, and Israel in self-defense then captured the West Bank. The Arabs thus have no grounds to complain either about Israel's existence (achieved in '48) or about its expanded sovereignty from the river to the sea (achieved in '67).
The Arabs have roiled the world for decades with their furious protest that their land has been "stolen" from them. One might take seriously such a statement if it came from a pacifist people such as the Tibetans, who had quietly inhabited their land for ages before it was seized by the Communist Chinese in 1950. The claim is laughable coming from the Arabs, who in the early Middle Ages conquered and reduced to slavery and penury ancient peoples and civilizations stretching from the borders of Persia to the Atlantic; who in 1947 rejected an Arab state in Palestine alongside a Jewish state and sought to obliterate the nascent Jewish state; who never called for a distinct Palestinian Arab state until the creation of the terrorist PLO in 1964—sixteen years after the founding of the state of Israel; and who to this moment continue to seek Israel's destruction, an object that would be enormously advanced by the creation of the Arab state they demand. The Arab claim to sovereign rights west of the Jordan is only humored today because of a fatal combination of world need for Arab oil, leftist Political Correctness that has cast the Israelis as "oppressors," and, of course, good old Jew-hatred.
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Remember all, that the internet lets anyone become an anonymous raging, twat.
To the original poster: I'm not going to fly off the handle and ridicule you. I'm not going to insult you. I'll just remind you that you have your understanding of the world, and we have ours, and we'd rather die fighting than bow down.
I'm probably the most secular Jew on this forum, and looking to learn more about Judaism, but even I can see that in every part of the globe, Islam, in the words of American school system, "does not play well with the other children."
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MuZlim; you are F.O.S., HON. IF Israel really DID 'commit war crimes' They would NEVER let up for a MINUTE in the media, ARAB MUZLIM NAZIS ARE THE MURDERERS AND NEED TO GET THE F OUT. Israel risks their OWN soldiers lives, so they can MINIMIZE A-rab casualties.
You are a A-rab that worships a PIG named 'mohammed' that was a sick tormented fk.
THATS the REALITY.
LEAVE Islam and GET HELP ASAP.
Mohammed:
(http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/pig_by_soskina.gif)
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MuZlim; you are F.O.S., HON. IF Israel really DID 'commit war crimes' They would NEVER let up for a MINUTE in the media, ARAB MUZLIM NAZIS ARE THE MURDERERS AND NEED TO GET THE F OUT. Israel risks their OWN soldiers lives, so they can MINIMIZE A-rab casualties.
You are a A-rab that worships a PIG named 'mohammed' that was a sick tormented fk.
THATS the REALITY.
LEAVE Islam and GET HELP ASAP.
Mohammed:
(http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/pig_by_soskina.gif)
Love the Portrait of Mohamed!
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Do you believe its is alright to lie about situations that are unfair to any and all people to accomplish your goals? Do you mingle with and take infidels for friends, and if so would Allah still have a relationship with you?
I question your total friendship with a Jew because Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels or Jews in place of believers-except when infidels are above them (in authority).
Furthermore, many of us who have studied Islam know that part of the plan of world domination is by infiltration in all places, and through political stations. We know all about deception!
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I don't know why any of you bother talking to these Westernized "peaceful" Muslims who wouldn't know authentic Islam if it hit them in the head.
They constantly make excuses and lies to make their religion more palatable. They are pretty much the Reform Jews of Islam.
Just as a Reform Jew would say: "Oh, it doesn't say we have to conquer Israel", or try to make some convoluted explanations for the heroic slaughter of the goyim in the land of Israel by Yehoshua.
For example, this Muslim claims he has a Jewish friend, even though the Koran strictly states not to take Jews and Christians as friends. This is obviously not a true Muslim here.
Just the same, these Muslims follow a form of Islam that is not true, just like Reform Judaism. The only difference is that Reform Jews are actually Muzzie-lovers, while even the most Westernized of Muslims still has something against Jews, usually with Israel forming the focus point of their "new age" Jew-hate.
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One thing that sickens me the most is that they are not prosecuted.
How unbelievably stupid do you think we are, camelbanger?
Tell me about Amir Popper!
You are right about that, Serb Avenger. By the way, his name is Ami Popper, not Amir Popper.
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Well this your problem not ours, seek help untill it's too late.
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Yeah KUFU keeps coming back, over and over again...
:laugh: :::D :laugh: :::D :laugh: :::D
kufu turned into martin that turned into muslim. Anyone see a pattern here?
Shalom - Dox
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Hanna! You see it too....thanks Sis!
Shalom - Dox
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
You're right that Israel was carved out unfairly. Israel was the land that the British promised the Jews that is currently ISrael and Jordan...and then the British backstabbed the Jews and promised the Arab shieks something else.
Let me be blunt here..You need to learn your history a little better. Once the UN recognized a state of Israel in 1948, SEVEN arab nations attacked the new Jewish state and promised to finish Hitler's job...and these arab nations promised arabs who were living in Israel a lot of things...THEY were the ones who kicked those arabs out and ended up losing a big war...and you know what? Israel still lets arabs live in their country..unlike iraq or Saudi arabia for example...I'm sorry..This one single jewish state is the size of New Jersey surrounded by 66 muslim countries...As far as I'm concerned all of ISrael's enemies are evil..and Islam is an evil religion...go learn your history...
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Welcome to the Forum for starters.
You mentioned you had a Jewish friend, does your Jewish friend think there should be a 2 State Solution?
Do you think there should be a 2 State solution?
Have you asked yourself how was it that mohamed came to conquer the Middle East as a supposedly peaceful prophet?
How do you feel about the palestinians using their children as live weapons against innocent people?
How about honor killings....what honor is there in murdering your own daughters for being victims of rape or choosing not to marry someone they do not want?
How do you feel about muslims entering any Country they wish to and expect their host Country to adapt to their sharia laws?
Why do muslims become enraged and murder innocent people for publishing cartoons about mohamed?
Do you expect anyone here on this forum who is in their right mind to believe a word you post?
Shalom - Dox
My Jewish friend believes in a 2 state solution. I have no problem with a FAIR 2 state solution. Muhammad's religion of the truth was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam. Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
Here is a fair 2 state solution..>All arabs and muslims to Saudi Arabia...give the Jews Nile to the Eupraties...The Jewish people will make the land work better than arabs or muslims living there...
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I do not support the banning, but I'd say that you should not compare the killing of innocent people with an humoritsic cartoons. Jews and Christians have been ridiculised and offended many times, and they never say that blasphemy is like killing a person.
Killing anyone is never permissible unless it's in self defense. That cartoon was not funny at all it was insulting. Anyone has the right to say and do whatever they like but no one has the right to insult others. It's something called respect that many people lack! With no respect, the problems will only get worse.
So killing is ok for self defense...dummy boy...ISrael defends itself from the crazy muslim countries surrounding her!!! Akh..wake up and smell the coffee...
...and i'm also down for banning this ignorant fool..
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Basically because I'm Muslims, just say it already. I've proven to everyone that I want peace by befriending others from different races and religions, by learning their beliefs, etc. I'm stupid tired of bloodshed! People in this world are ignorant and stupid and all they do is fight! We will never live in peace if we continue this way. We need stop hating each other just because of the religions or cultures we come from. Instead of being ignorant, learn about it, gain some knowledge. I would never dare to attempt to offend someone else. I had no clue about the religion of Judaism and I would never attack it. What did I do, I made an attempt to learn about it, something that seems so hard for all you guys.
I just want to tell most of you guys to smarten up because I know that your religion does not teach you to act like these. My hours on this forum I've got continuous death threats, ban threats, insults, etc. Honestly, what did I do? I already know I'm going to be banned so if any of you guys want to continue a one on one debate, send me your email and we can have a CIVILIZED debate.
Shalom and Salaam
We hate those who wish and plot to kill us...I will support war and destruction against those who wish the destruction of Israel..that goes for you too, Bozo!
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I hope you get banned berry berry soon!
Banned. Remind me what i did wrong again? That's right, nothing. Just say it, you guys want me and will ban me for being Muslim.
To me, that's reason enough.
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Basically because I'm Muslims, just say it already. I've proven to everyone that I want peace by befriending others from different races and religions, by learning their beliefs, etc. I'm stupid tired of bloodshed! People in this world are ignorant and stupid and all they do is fight! We will never live in peace if we continue this way. We need stop hating each other just because of the religions or cultures we come from. Instead of being ignorant, learn about it, gain some knowledge. I would never dare to attempt to offend someone else. I had no clue about the religion of Judaism and I would never attack it. What did I do, I made an attempt to learn about it, something that seems so hard for all you guys.
I just want to tell most of you guys to smarten up because I know that your religion does not teach you to act like these. My hours on this forum I've got continuous death threats, ban threats, insults, etc. Honestly, what did I do? I already know I'm going to be banned so if any of you guys want to continue a one on one debate, send me your email and we can have a CIVILIZED debate.
Shalom and Salaam
One of your fellow Muslims (a white convert) banned me from his school because his "brothers" were being "oppressed" in "Palestine."
You sand shvartzes don't know how to be civilized. 9/11 showed that to the world.
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Yes, the grammer is the same...
he should become a salesman, he doesn't give up easily..
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Hanna! You see it too....thanks Sis!
Shalom - Dox
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I have seen and spoken to lots of Muslims personally in my life.
One thing I noticed for shure. They see themselve as people that are born to gouvern over non Muslims. They want to be the boss and Quran and Sunnah teach this believe.
But all failed to archieve something in real life. So there is a gap between their self-picture and of the reality.
Ulli, your observation is very accurate. They are prisoners of their own imagination. To such extent that they really believe they won in 1973 Yom Kippur war and celebrate victory evrey year.
I also noticed that this "peaceful" Muslim referred only to the questions he liked to answer. Those that could get him in trouble he just passed by.
There is no point to debate with Muslims. They cannot do it rationally. They debate not to find the truth but to resound their propaganda cliches.
As opposed to the western worldview, the ability to lie to the counterpart and convince him (by any means possible) that the lie is a truth is highly valued in muslim society.
Oh, the public view in quranimal countries on the Yom Kippur war is a great example. :)
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MuZlim; you are F.O.S., HON. IF Israel really DID 'commit war crimes' They would NEVER let up for a MINUTE in the media, ARAB MUZLIM NAZIS ARE THE MURDERERS AND NEED TO GET THE F OUT. Israel risks their OWN soldiers lives, so they can MINIMIZE A-rab casualties.
You are a A-rab that worships a PIG named 'mohammed' that was a sick tormented fk.
THATS the REALITY.
LEAVE Islam and GET HELP ASAP.
Mohammed:
(http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/pig_by_soskina.gif)
Love the Portrait of Mohamed!
Unfair to the pig! Pig are much cleaner and more intelligent animals then MooHamMad or his ilk. What pig ever did to you? ^-^
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Either a drawing error or a three legged alien pig.
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May Piss and 72 virgins be upon you.
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I do not know what is the admins policy. I do not handle this forum, just post in it. I have a question for you. Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish Sate and its right to exist? If so, it's ok for me.
The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah. I believe Israel was created unfairly and just because of sympathy. The British had no right to give the Jews someone elses land. Both Israel and Hamas have their faults, I do not blame just one party because that would be ignorant of me. Israel commits many war crimes and so does Hamas.
You keep contradicting yourself. You said "The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah" but then you said it was not just that the state was created. Who has a right to go against your Allah?! Unless you don't really believe what you said at the beginning.
And you should know that the British never gave anything. The Jewish freedom fighters of Irgun and Lechi had to force them out because the British tried to reneg on their promise. The land was won with blood sweat and tears and much suffering. And of course the Arab nazis tried to destroy the Jews, but they defended and succeeded, and we defeated many Arab armies.
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Arabs belong where they are. Also, it would be hard for them to leave when they are surrounded by walls. Kind of reminds me of an internment camp.
What are you referring to? You made this up. I have seen many Arab villages in Israel and they are not surrounded by walls. If you refer to Gaza, which the Arabs demanded was to be their sovereign territory, every sovereign nation has BORDERS. Theirs just happen to be fortified to prevent terrorists from sneaking into Israel. But keep in mind, that land does not belong to Arabs.
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Israel has committed more than one crime honey.
The white phosphorus, not letting Red Cross in, killing women holding white flags, etc!
One thing that sickens me the most is that they are not prosecuted.
BS. You made this up. The phosphorus was not a crime, and there were no women with white flags. Lies.
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Muslim nazi put me a favor, kill yourself and go to hell, lol.
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(http://m.blog.hu/dz/dzsihad/image/Islam/070407islamabad.jpg)
Go to your brothers.
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Muhammad's religion... was spread fast because he extinguished the fire of ignorance. People realized that their idols were false and saw that Muhammad was speaking the truth. ANYONE who reads this, please understand Muhammad's story before you claim something about him. I'm against anyone hurting innocent people, it's wrong first of all and forbidden in Islam.
But Muhammad hurt many many innocent people in spreading his false "religion."
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Some Muslims do not belong to these countries, they are only guests and they shouldn't implement something in a country they don't own. How would you feel if someone did that to your prophet. Killing innocent is just wrong as I said but making a cartoon just to offend a mass population is just as wrong. I honestly don't care if anyone listens to what I say.
Did what to our prophet(s)? Told the truth about them? That is not an offense according to our religion. The truth is good, while falsehood is evil. You Muslims got it backwards.
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Serbian Canadian
It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority. You only see part of the population. Islam is all about worshiping the one G-d and follow his Messenger. It has nothing to do with terrorists and suicides. I am not going to claim that you guys don't understand the Qur'an because my own Muslim brothers and sisters do not understand it themselves. They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life. It is absurd to say that the religion teaches it because then that would make us all disbelievers. The problem is this small group of Muslims.
All muslims I met were violent "people". You don't belong to JTF.
Oh it's the guy who told me how much Muslims he killed.
I can tell you've met 0 Muslims in your life.
In my real life I met 2 muslims. But on the internet and on international forums I met much. And I have reasons for the hate. 9/11 is only one reason. Put me a favor. Kill yourself and go to hell. We don't need you.
It is rather ignorant and foolish to hate a whole religion because of a small group of crazy people. I'm being honest right now, I have many family members who have been killed or are suffering because of other groups. I don't hate the whole damn country, I hate the ones who have committed the crime. IF 9/11 was done by those Muslims, then their punishment will be with their lord and RIP to all those who died. Killing myself would mean that I died sinning, suicide is a SIN! I would care less whether you needed me or not cause I know their are plenty of other people who do!
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It's not a majority of Muslims who resort to violence, it's the minority.
When you compare the amount of violence to the number of Muslims in the world (approx. 1.5 billion) that may be true. But this kind of behavior is prevalent in Muslim countries and Muslim populated areas.
They twist Allah's words to benefit them and their punishment will be in the after life.
So your fellows in Afghanistan, Somalia, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, Russia, ect... have all twisted the words of Allah? We're not talking about a small minority of Muslims here. The true face of Islam has shown itself. There is something wrong with your religion. I know it isn't easy to admit it because we are all brought up and raised to obey and adhere to our religion and culture. You may be a decent person at heart but I think you are misguided and blinded by your religion.
In each of those countries you've named, there is a small minority of people twisting God's words. From Al-Shabab in Somalia to Hamas in Gaza. Those people do not represent Islam in any way.The only people who do is Muhammad and his sahabas(companions). Don't look at what you see on TV to know what Islam is about. Pick up the Qur'an or hadiths. If Islam is so evil, I wonder why so many people revert to Islam. Just this past weekend, more than 20 Canadians reverted to Islam in Toronto. All of them had only one thing to say, "Where were you guys this whole time?"
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One thing a majority of you guys on this forum lack, is RESPECT.
Not everyone is the same. It is stupid and ignorant to hate everyone of one group because of a couple people.
It's like hating Germans because of Hitler.
Hating Japanese because of Pearl Harbor.
Hating the Serbians because of the genocide in Bosnia.
Hating Jews because of the creation of Israel and the oppression of Palestinians.
My list can go on and on. All your ways of thinking is illogical and stupid.
I know many Muslims hate Jews but they are just as stupid.
Stop the racism, stop the hate or else there will never be peace.
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i am going to step out on a limb here and say "Let Us Give This Person A Chance"
:o
Let's stop with the insults for several hours, at least and see how that works.
He is right though, let us show him a little respect and not put him in with all the bad apples, so to speak..
I shall now return to my cave.
If I am wrong, later I will not get upset if you say "I TOLD YOU SO"
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please, NOBODY THROW ANY ROCKS AT ME, ok?
:P
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One thing a majority of you guys on this forum lack, is RESPECT.
Not everyone is the same. It is stupid and ignorant to hate everyone of one group because of a couple people.
What's the matter, you can't address any of my points?
It's like hating Germans because of Hitler.
See here: http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
"Hitler's willing Executioners" by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen
Many German youth today identify with Hitler's message and the politicians express their hatred of Jews through condemnation/cold relations with Israel.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule and no reason to hate the righteous exceptions. There are even a few on this forum.
Hating the Serbians because of the genocide in Bosnia.
Oh, but isn't that what Muslims do? And it's funny that that didn't even happen, and yet Muslims use it as an excuse to hate Serbs. They ignore that the KLA and other Muslim Nazis made a genocide against Serbs with help from Bill Clinton.
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One thing a majority of you guys on this forum lack, is RESPECT.
Not everyone is the same. It is stupid and ignorant to hate everyone of one group because of a couple people.
What's the matter, you can't address any of my points?
It's like hating Germans because of Hitler.
See here: http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
"Hitler's willing Executioners" by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen
Many German youth today identify with Hitler's message and the politicians express their hatred of Jews through condemnation/cold relations with Israel.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule and no reason to hate the righteous exceptions. There are even a few on this forum.
Hating the Serbians because of the genocide in Bosnia.
Oh, but isn't that what Muslims do? And it's funny that that didn't even happen, and yet Muslims use it as an excuse to hate Serbs. They ignore that the KLA and other Muslim Nazis made a genocide against Serbs with help from Bill Clinton.
I haven't even read your claims. Re-post it. There are many, many Germans who do not hate Jews. Yes some Muslims do hate Serbs and I call them stupid for doing so. Hating others is what makes war and destruction. Oh it didn't happen, then I wonder what happened to most of my friends family. Hmm they must of killed themselves eh and the whole world believed it was the Serbs.
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I haven't even read your claims. Re-post it. There are many, many Germans who do not hate Jews. Yes some Muslims do hate Serbs and I call them stupid for doing so. Hating others is what makes war and destruction. Oh it didn't happen, then I wonder what happened to most of my friends family. Hmm they must of killed themselves eh and the whole world believed it was the Serbs.
My responses are on page 7 of this thread. Just click the 7.
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I haven't even read your claims. Re-post it. There are many, many Germans who do not hate Jews. Yes some Muslims do hate Serbs and I call them stupid for doing so. Hating others is what makes war and destruction. Oh it didn't happen, then I wonder what happened to most of my friends family. Hmm they must of killed themselves eh and the whole world believed it was the Serbs.
My responses are on page 7 of this thread. Just click the 7.
Yo I don't see it, just copy and paste it. I don't have time to hunt it down.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY7DEm0Cphk
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I haven't even read your claims. Re-post it. There are many, many Germans who do not hate Jews. Yes some Muslims do hate Serbs and I call them stupid for doing so. Hating others is what makes war and destruction. Oh it didn't happen, then I wonder what happened to most of my friends family. Hmm they must of killed themselves eh and the whole world believed it was the Serbs.
My responses are on page 7 of this thread. Just click the 7.
Yo I don't see it, just copy and paste it. I don't have time to hunt it down.
You have to be kidding me. Just look for comments by "Kahane-Was-Right-BT"
The forum functions for you just like it does for everyone else. Click on the number 7 to go to page 7 in this thread.
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
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You keep contradicting yourself. You said "The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah" but then you said it was not just that the state was created. Who has a right to go against your Allah?! Unless you don't really believe what you said at the beginning.
And you should know that the British never gave anything. The Jewish freedom fighters of Irgun and Lechi had to force them out because the British tried to reneg on their promise. The land was won with blood sweat and tears and much suffering. And of course the Arab nazis tried to destroy the Jews, but they defended and succeeded, and we defeated many Arab armies.
The Qur'an states that the Jews will return back to their holy lands. There was nothing the Muslims could do about that because it was destiny. They will live there until the Day of Resurrection. The fight for the holy land will continue until then. Separately, I stated that Israel was created unfairly. The British gave that land to the Jews out of sympathy after the holocaust. The UN split Palestine for you guys. The Arabs resented the Jews coming and wars broke out which caused the Jews to gain more land.
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
I've already stated my thoughts on Israel. Just look back. All of those groups you named are crazy lunatics who don't understand Islam. You can't just kill anyone for the sake of Allah. They break the laws of war, only fight in self defense. They cannot harm a child, woman, elderly, disabled or anyone who is unarmed. Sharia law should stay in Muslim countries. The other Muslims trying to bring it to the west is wrong because they don't own this country. Before bringing it in a foreign country they should enforce it back home. Women should have the choice to cover themselves and they do as it states in the Qur'an. It demonstrated that she is obeying her lord. If one would force her to cover, she is doing it for them and not her lord. I think Judaism is a beautiful religion as it was sent by the same G-d I follow.
I don't believe a single word of anything you say. I can frankly say I HATE Islam - and I will tell you why. I have never spoken about this in a public forum, but now I will do:
Here are my reasons to hate Islam and every singel mudlim and Moo-ham-head:
It started with my mother who was pregnant and I know I was growing inside her, when she was molested by three Turks in a park when she went home from the supermarket through a park! They thought a Jewish woman would be just a "B**ch" to take because she had no honour!
As if this wasn't reason enough to hate you, I got caught and raped by muslims when I was a child. They thought I was "better than nothing" - I am pretty sure they have waited for something "better" to come along - for sure a woman.
When later on I went to Israel, I stayed in a Kibbutz near the Lebanese border, where I had the experience to have a quite restless period when Lebanese Hezbollah rockets hit nighbouring villages. But I could feel the Israeli soil vibrating. Before my journey back to Germany I got robbed by filthy fakestinians and survived a bus suicide attack!
Not to mention the ongoing repressions, offenses and stupid remarks you have to stand everyday - for simply wearing a Star of David!
Until today I am in psychological treatment because of all that. I was brought to a clinic various times because I almost starved myself to death feeling so much loathe of myself and all my history that I could not even look at food without feeling sick! My BMI is currently around 16 which means I may not live for many years if this doesn't improve.
And now tell me WHY SHOULD I WANT PEACE with people like you and your fellow-disbelievers. Who do not care a bit about others? And I can only imagine all the other people around the Globe you cause suffering and bad things. I hate you, I hate the sick child molesting bastard and the ones who follow his example. EVERYTHING that happened to me and my mom was DUE TO ISLAM because they all did only what their sick Moo-ham-head did!
I can thank G*d I am still alive!
Islam kills me slowly, but it does! It may have already killed some 40% of me. Never come here again and have the courage to offer your hypocrite peace that is worth nothing! Go and creep into your mother and explode! >:(
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Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
The only way Islam will be respected is when they respect others... Do not kill the infidel... We , the Jews, will never accept your revision and perversion of the word of G-d... But we will allow you to live and not force you to believe what we believe. We are confident that our way is the way of peace and the will of G-d. There is no way, if you understand Judaism, that Islam can be accepted. It is a false prophet and a twisted scripture... We reject it 100%... But we will demonstrate the superior aspect of Judaism and because of our shining light, the rest of the world will seek G-d. This is what we call the "Light Unto the Nations" philosophy.
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
Your reply confirms you are full of BS....
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
You are a troll and I am surprised this thread has gone on for so long
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So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
I've already stated my thoughts on Israel. Just look back. All of those groups you named are crazy lunatics who don't understand Islam. You can't just kill anyone for the sake of Allah. They break the laws of war, only fight in self defense. They cannot harm a child, woman, elderly, disabled or anyone who is unarmed. Sharia law should stay in Muslim countries. The other Muslims trying to bring it to the west is wrong because they don't own this country. Before bringing it in a foreign country they should enforce it back home. Women should have the choice to cover themselves and they do as it states in the Qur'an. It demonstrated that she is obeying her lord. If one would force her to cover, she is doing it for them and not her lord. I think Judaism is a beautiful religion as it was sent by the same G-d I follow.
I don't believe a single word of anything you say. I can frankly say I HATE Islam - and I will tell you why. I have never spoken about this in a public forum, but now I will do:
Here are my reasons to hate Islam and every singel mudlim and Moo-ham-head:
It started with my mother who was pregnant and I know I was growing inside her, when she was molested by three Turks in a park when she went home from the supermarket through a park! They thought a Jewish woman would be just a "B**ch" to take because she had no honour!
As if this wasn't reason enough to hate you, I got caught and raped by muslims when I was a child. They thought I was "better than nothing" - I am pretty sure they have waited for something "better" to come along - for sure a woman.
When later on I went to Israel, I stayed in a Kibbutz near the Lebanese border, where I had the experience to have a quite restless period when Lebanese Hezbollah rockets hit nighbouring villages. But I could feel the Israeli soil vibrating. Before my journey back to Germany I got robbed by filthy fakestinians and survived a bus suicide attack!
Not to mention the ongoing repressions, offenses and stupid remarks you have to stand everyday - for simply wearing a Star of David!
Until today I am in psychological treatment because of all that. I was brought to a clinic various times because I almost starved myself to death feeling so much loathe of myself and all my history that I could not even look at food without feeling sick! My BMI is currently around 16 which means I may not live for many years if this doesn't improve.
And now tell me WHY SHOULD I WANT PEACE with people like you and your fellow-disbelievers. Who do not care a bit about others? And I can only imagine all the other people around the Globe you cause suffering and bad things. I hate you, I hate the sick child molesting bastard and the ones who follow his example. EVERYTHING that happened to me and my mom was DUE TO ISLAM because they all did only what their sick Moo-ham-head did!
I can thank G*d I am still alive!
Islam kills me slowly, but it does! It may have already killed some 40% of me. Never come here again and have the courage to offer your hypocrite peace that is worth nothing! Go and creep into your mother and explode! >:(
Islam does not teach us to rape others, terrorize them, etc. Those people who did those horrific acts to you will be punished for their sins. They do not represent Islam they are just the followers. Some are good others are bad. Anyone can be a Muslim by name, those people are going to the deep depths of hell. Their actions are not justified in Islam, Muhammad NEVER DID such a thing. I will apologize for them and ask God to have mercy on their souls. Hate the criminals not their people. Hate those who committed the crime, no one can ever tell if the person is a good follower of their religion but God Himself. There's no way I can convince you to stop hating Islam after everything you've been through. I will just tell you that those people will be punished for their sins.
Shalom
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
After this long thread you should understand well now why we hate muslims so much. Now, if you are a smart person, leave islamic death cult and return to humanity.
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Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
God forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and God's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
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One thing a majority of you guys on this forum lack, is RESPECT.
Respect has to be earned. Islam and Mohammedans don't deserve respect. On the contrary, Islam and Mohammedans have clearly earned disrespect and enmity. Right thinking people on this forum and around the world should not respect Islam or Mohammedans. Evil should not be respected. Evil should be destroyed.
Not everyone is the same. It is stupid and ignorant to hate everyone of one group because of a couple people.
You just don't get it. I don't hate Muslims on an individual basis. However, I do despise them collectively for the never ending rampages of murder, mayhem, terror, persecution and jihad that they wage all over the planet in the name of Islam.
It's like hating Germans because of Hitler.
Hating Japanese because of Pearl Harbor..
Unfortunately, just like Hitler and the Nazi Third Reich had to be erradicated, and just like Japan had to be defeated, so too will Islam have to be utterly crushed before there is any chance of reconciliation and peace.
Hating Jews because of the creation of Israel and the oppression of Palestinians.
2,000 years before Mohammed was molesting Ayisha, Israel already existed. There is no nation named Palestine. There was never a nation named Palestine. There are no Palestinians. This absurd Arab narrative of revisionist history does not fly at JTF. Arabs that do not accept absolute Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel, or that feel oppressed, should leave. They have many Arab and Muslim nations to go to where Jews are truly oppressed or not allowed to live at all.
Stop the racism, stop the hate or else there will never be peace.
There can be no peace with Islam. It is the essence of humanitarianism to tirelessly strive to purge the cancer of Islam from this world. The cost will be great, but it is one we must endure and willingly pay, for it is only when Islam exists no more that humankind can live in peace and prosperity.
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Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
G-d forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and G-d's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
for every quote you cite as 'Peace' there are hundreds to contradict it!
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Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
G-d forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and G-d's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
for every quote you cite as 'Peace' there are hundreds to contradict it!
Actually there isn't! Those so called contradictions do not apply to this time.
They were orders to Muhammad.
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http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/DevilTriangle.html
One day you will pay for what you did in my Serbian land of Bosnia.
We Serbs do not forget.
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Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
G-d forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and G-d's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
You can't be a Muslim and not hate non-Muslims.
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You keep contradicting yourself. You said "The Jews were destined to live in Israel by Allah" but then you said it was not just that the state was created. Who has a right to go against your Allah?! Unless you don't really believe what you said at the beginning.
And you should know that the British never gave anything. The Jewish freedom fighters of Irgun and Lechi had to force them out because the British tried to reneg on their promise. The land was won with blood sweat and tears and much suffering. And of course the Arab nazis tried to destroy the Jews, but they defended and succeeded, and we defeated many Arab armies.
The Qur'an states that the Jews will return back to their holy lands. There was nothing the Muslims could do about that because it was destiny. They will live there until the Day of Resurrection.
That sounds like either a clever way of rewriting what your Allah said and meant, or a tacit admittance that your religion Islam is truly against Jews and their right to live in the Jewish homeland. If it is "destiny," as you call it, do Jews have a right to live there or not? Is it that they don't really have a right, but that Allah put them there and then Muslims will whine and complain about it until the "Day of Resurrection" where Muslims will fight the Jew behind every rock and tree? Hmmmmm....
The fight for the holy land will continue until then.
Why should it? If your allah said Jews will be there until day of Resurrection, then why do you Muslims fight your allah and try to remove the Jews by "fighting for the holy land." ?
Separately, I stated that Israel was created unfairly.
And separately, I stated how wrong you were to claim this.
The British gave that land to the Jews out of sympathy after the holocaust.
No, they didn't. It had nothing to do with the Holocaust. These are the lies that are spread by Muslim propagandists who want to murder the Jews of Israel by connecting their presence there only to the holocaust and not to any sort of human rights. The British promised to give over their control of "Mandate Palestine" (as they named it) with the Balfour Declaration in 1917. This was later incorporated into the Treaty of Sevres with Turkey after World War 1. In 1917 there was no such thing as a holocaust, and there was no "sympathy" for murdered Jews. There were many factors that combined to produce this phenomenon, one of them being the Jewish legions help in conquering the land for the British in WW1, another being Chaim Weizmann's instrumental role in helping the Allied powers win world war 1, particularly the British, through his able production of much needed acetone for explosives to be used in the warfare. Another factor was the rise of a certain strain of Christians in British parliament who believed in the Bible and identified strongly with and supported the Jewish desire (as outwardly promoted in the growing zionist movement of the time) to move back to our ancestral homeland which was stolen from us by Romans, and later Muslims who stole it from the Catholics which Romans turned into.
For brief summary see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
The "Churchill White paper" of 1922 clarifies the British stance and intention on giving the Jews our homeland, and it states quite emphatically that they are doing so due to historic rights of the Jewish people, and NOT DUE TO SUFFERANCE.
To further prove the point that it had nothing to do with the holocaust, I would point out the MacDonald White Paper of 1939 under the Chamberlain govt which restricted Jewish immigration to the mandate. http://holocaust-forum.blogspot.com/2009/05/macdonald-white-paper-is-approved-by.html
As you should know, they, the British occupation in eretz Yisrael, enforced brutally this immigration quota DURING THE HOLOCAUST. If they were so sympathetic to the Jews being murdered in Europe, and wanted so badly to give the Jews their land back, why did the British block immigration and close the doors of this land to the Jews who were suffering in Europe ALL THROUGHOUT THE HOLOCAUST? The white paper is understood, as it only can be, as the British reneging on the previous promises made to the Jewish people. And it reflected a shift in the power base of the british parliament as well.
The "splitting" of the Mandate into "transjordan" and "palestine" was seen as a great tragedy by the zionist visionaries such as Jabotinsky. That was land stolen from the Jews and handed out to others of Arabian Hashemite tribal origins.
And in the end, it was only the Jewish resistance fighters of Lechi and Irgun that forced the hand of the British by forcing them out, that the land ever became ours. Or at least free of British occupation that we were free to defend against the marauding Arabs and claim it for our own.
The Arabs resented the Jews coming and wars broke out which caused the Jews to gain more land.
Let us be clear. The Arabs (some of them) resented the Jews showing up, and launched a war to wipe them out. This is historical fact. But the land never belonged to Arabs. And it is true that some Arabs were honest enough to celebrate the Jews' arrival and take advantage of the vast economic gains and job opportunities this brought with it. Some of these hypocritically fought against the Jews anyway.
Furthermore, I question why you take it as a assumption that "resenting" someone's mere existence or arrival justifies the Arabs' attempt at committing a holocaust against these people.
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Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
G-d forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and G-d's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
Judaism does teach respect. But we do not have indiscriminate respect. We do not respect lies or falsehood. Including false "religions" and dogmas. We are commanded by G-d not to give any respect at all to such things. And we especially do not respect nor are we required to, lies which are veiled attempts to destroy our people.
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When there is war and one group of people is stronger than the other and they kill more of their enemy than their opponent does, that is NOT Genocide. Genocide is something that happened to Jews and Serbs in WWII, where millions of men, women and children were exterminated soley based on their ethnicity in a planned, organized and systematic fashion with the inability to defend themselves. Genocide is a term that was socially constructed following the Second World War and the war in Bosnia was not a Genocide. It was a war.
To say that there was a Genocide in Bosnia is to say that the Bosnian Muslims were the only victims of that war and that they were the only group of people who were killed or displaced. If there was a Bosnian genocide, wasn't there also a genocide of Serbs then? The Serbs have been killed or ethnically cleansed largely in cities where the majority of the population was Croat and Bosnian Muslim or the surrounding areas which were controlled by Muslims. So because more Muslims were killed that makes it a genocide? It doesn't make sense. In some instances, the actions of the army of RS were kind compared to the barbaric actions of the Mujahideen and some of the other Izetbegovic Islamic fundamentalists.
Don't you dare come on this forum and spew your NATO, EU, U.S. and Islamic propoganda.
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G-d forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and G-d's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
for every quote you cite as 'Peace' there are hundreds to contradict it!
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Actually there isn't! Those so called contradictions do not apply to this time.
They were orders to Muhammad.
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Mr. Taqqiya lover:
1) Muslimes are obliged to fight infidels - this is the whole premise of islam - a submission of kafirs to allah and to islam.
2) The goal of islam is the establishment of sharia in the whole world. 3) If muslimes are stronger, they commanded to fight infidels 4) Muslimes are commanded to seek TRUCE not PEACE when they are weaker
3) The condition of PEACE between Dar al Islam and Dar Al Harb is
a) conversion
b)submission of
c)death.
Nowhere in koran it is mentioned about a peaceful coexistence, as EQUALS, between Dar Al Islam and Dar al Harb.
The life of mohamad is an example to all muslimes. Why would muslimes not follow his example now? Where does it say and where is it recognized by muslimes that certain/most parts of koran are not applicable to our times. The best thing for you is to leave islam. Trust me, whatever good or inspiring you found there was taken from the Torah and the Bible. Leave islam, return to humanity.
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Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
Quit your religion and become a Noahide...learn with an open mind what Mohammed was about and the evil he brought upon this world...
and buddy...you have to learn your history properly...everythign you think you know about Israel are lies preached by your imams and religion...Israel is the historic nation of Jews from the Nile to the Euphrates as promised by GD...no other nation needs to feel sorry for Israel...it was Gd's hand that lead to the creation of the state of Israel..and terrible things will happen from Gd to your people because you curse Jews everyday..even with your so called words of "peace"...it's not peace that you preach...Your claim that Israel is an aggressor "why don't we live in peace" is your lack of understanding of who the good guys have been throughout time...you're on the wrong evil side of this...you should turn to your muslim and arab brethren and tell them to stop and move out of the land of Israel and let the Jews live in peace...
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Oh, that's a good idea.... ;D
Muslim, what is your reason for being here other than to ' stir the pot ?'
I've come here as a peace loving Muslim, to understand why people hate us so much.
Then I'll try and fix that issue.
Quit your religion and become a Noahide...learn with an open mind what Mohammed was about and the evil he brought upon this world...
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By any chance, could you give me the references in your Koran about this?
So as a peaceful muslim, what do you think about Israel? And what do you think about hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, the mujahadeen, the islamic brotherhood and all the rest? Do you want sharia to be the law everywhere? Do you think women should be concealed from head to toe? You say you have no problem with Jews, so what do you think about Judaism? What do you think about zionism?
I'm not asking you these questions to challenge you. I would like to know if you really love peace as much as you say you do.
I've already stated my thoughts on Israel. Just look back. All of those groups you named are crazy lunatics who don't understand Islam. You can't just kill anyone for the sake of Allah. They break the laws of war, only fight in self defense. They cannot harm a child, woman, elderly, disabled or anyone who is unarmed. Sharia law should stay in Muslim countries. The other Muslims trying to bring it to the west is wrong because they don't own this country. Before bringing it in a foreign country they should enforce it back home. Women should have the choice to cover themselves and they do as it states in the Qur'an. It demonstrated that she is obeying her lord. If one would force her to cover, she is doing it for them and not her lord. I think Judaism is a beautiful religion as it was sent by the same G-d I follow.
I don't believe a single word of anything you say. I can frankly say I HATE Islam - and I will tell you why. I have never spoken about this in a public forum, but now I will do:
Here are my reasons to hate Islam and every singel mudlim and Moo-ham-head:
It started with my mother who was pregnant and I know I was growing inside her, when she was molested by three Turks in a park when she went home from the supermarket through a park! They thought a Jewish woman would be just a "B**ch" to take because she had no honour!
As if this wasn't reason enough to hate you, I got caught and raped by muslims when I was a child. They thought I was "better than nothing" - I am pretty sure they have waited for something "better" to come along - for sure a woman.
When later on I went to Israel, I stayed in a Kibbutz near the Lebanese border, where I had the experience to have a quite restless period when Lebanese Hezbollah rockets hit nighbouring villages. But I could feel the Israeli soil vibrating. Before my journey back to Germany I got robbed by filthy fakestinians and survived a bus suicide attack!
Not to mention the ongoing repressions, offenses and stupid remarks you have to stand everyday - for simply wearing a Star of David!
Until today I am in psychological treatment because of all that. I was brought to a clinic various times because I almost starved myself to death feeling so much loathe of myself and all my history that I could not even look at food without feeling sick! My BMI is currently around 16 which means I may not live for many years if this doesn't improve.
And now tell me WHY SHOULD I WANT PEACE with people like you and your fellow-disbelievers. Who do not care a bit about others? And I can only imagine all the other people around the Globe you cause suffering and bad things. I hate you, I hate the sick child molesting bastard and the ones who follow his example. EVERYTHING that happened to me and my mom was DUE TO ISLAM because they all did only what their sick Moo-ham-head did!
I can thank G*d I am still alive!
Islam kills me slowly, but it does! It may have already killed some 40% of me. Never come here again and have the courage to offer your hypocrite peace that is worth nothing! Go and creep into your mother and explode! >:(
Islam does not teach us to rape others, terrorize them, etc. Those people who did those horrific acts to you will be punished for their sins. They do not represent Islam they are just the followers. Some are good others are bad. Anyone can be a Muslim by name, those people are going to the deep depths of hell. Their actions are not justified in Islam, Muhammad NEVER DID such a thing. I will apologize for them and ask G-d to have mercy on their souls. Hate the criminals not their people. Hate those who committed the crime, no one can ever tell if the person is a good follower of their religion but G-d Himself. There's no way I can convince you to stop hating Islam after everything you've been through. I will just tell you that those people will be punished for their sins.
Shalom
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What about Jihad? Many Muslims agree with this....what do you have to say about this?
Jews don't need to hate anyone. Our religion is a way of peace. But our creator has given us permission to defend ourselves against barbarians such as those who practice the cult of Islam. If your terrorist brothers and sisters would just put down the weapons and truly seek peace with Israel they would find that peace is attainable. Israel just wants to be the Jewish homeland which the Creator has promised us. Arabs have many countries throughout the middle east and don't need the land of Israel, which has no oil in it. The Jews have been able to make Israel bountiful unlike the barbarians who dwelt there during the exile. When Jews inhabit the land the land bears fruit, when arabs inhabit it it is desolate {just look at pictures of the holy land from the 1800s and you will see how desolate it was}.
Arabs are not indigenous to the land of Israel. They have come as invaders and the Jews are prepared to fight to protect their land.
Islam is a inferior religion, and it doesn't matter how many fools 'revert' to Islam... There are many people who are converting to Judaism also, and that is a much more righteous and intellectual pursuit than succumbing to the pisslam which you follow.
G-d forgive me for saying this but to prove that they are not true followers of the Qur'an and G-d's words I have one verse.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
Something that Islam teaches us is respect, sometime I wonder if Judaism teaches the same.
for every quote you cite as 'Peace' there are hundreds to contradict it!
Actually there isn't! Those so called contradictions do not apply to this time.
They were orders to Muhammad.
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I have no doubt that you are a muslim. The forum name you picked for yourself is evidence enough of how evil and crooked your mind really is.
Peace, tranquility, and calm are the exact opposite of what islam is all about.
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I have no doubt that you are a muslim. The forum name you picked for yourself is evidence enough of how evil and crooked your mind really is.
Peace, tranquility, and calm are the exact opposite of what islam is all about.
Amen Elizabeth! :fist:
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Muslamic religion is very strongly connected with Peace, tranquility, and calm.
When the Muslamic religion goes out of this earth, Peace, tranquility, and calm shall automatically return and be restored on this earth.
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Wow, here in the north east USA, its been raining for a month and a half.
Well, yesterday was sunny all day. Isn't that great?
So, hows the weather in your area?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY7DEm0Cphk
:laugh: :::D :laugh: :::D :laugh: :::D
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Islam is peace, my username is also peace hence muslims are peaceful. hahaha how typical.
I pity these people! A jew doesnt go around saying Judaism is peace, because its understood it is. A buddhist does not go around shouting buddhism means peace. Because their actions are justified in the peaceful way of their living. Only empty vessels make more noise. A thief always says he is innocent. saying this i rest my case on this nutcase. :laugh:
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where did he go?
I was awaiting his response...
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I have created an account on this forum because a friend of mine told me about it. She informed me that they banned her for being Muslim. I came to check this site out and to see what it was about. All I have seen so far is pure propaganda. Let me just get this straight, I do not hate Jews. In fact, my very close friend is a Jew.
Marvin is female? :laugh: I thought Marvin is black racist Khufu? Incidentally, I think that this Jew that you befriended is really you. You have not demonstrated any knowledge of islam, but you spewing "islam=peace" slogans just as well as a deform rabbi. Can you please come back next time as a moderate nazi explaining how dear fuhrer was misunderstood and lied to?
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I have created an account on this forum because a friend of mine told me about it. She informed me that they banned her for being Muslim. I came to check this site out and to see what it was about. All I have seen so far is pure propaganda. Let me just get this straight, I do not hate Jews. In fact, my very close friend is a Jew.
Marvin is female? :laugh: I thought Marvin is black racist Khufu? Incidentally, I think that this Jew that you befriended is really you. You have not demonstrated any knowledge of islam, but you spewing "islam=peace" slogans just as well as a deform rabbi. Can you please come back next time as a moderate nazi explaining how dear fuhrer was misunderstood and lied to?
You would be surprised Manch. There are really groups that tried this argumentation.
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That Muslim troll was banned a while ago. But I love how you all let him have it.
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oh, you banned him?
the new guy?
:laugh:That Muslim troll was banned a while ago. But I love how you all let him have it.
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That Muslim troll was banned a while ago.
But I was just getting started. Truth is, s/he might just have been ignorant with simplistic misconceptions hammered into her/him by Muslims and my posts could have helped change that if the person read them... But if they are banned I guess they can't see them.
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That Muslim troll was banned a while ago.
But I was just getting started. Truth is, s/he might just have been ignorant with simplistic misconceptions hammered into her/him by Muslims and my posts could have helped change that if the person read them... But if they are banned I guess they can't see them.
Your responses were awesome. You really know what you're talking about. I would have preferred to see him/her/it skewered some more. But oh well.
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I really thought this one might be different....until he told me Israel should not get ALL THAT LAND, I let him know what I thought about that...sheesh
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This muzzie deserved more than just being banned from a forum. Unfortunately in our insane world, we would be punished for giving him what he really needs.