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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Aces High on August 13, 2009, 11:02:26 PM
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The food is so disgusting,it's not fit for humans, just Arabs and Blacks
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Okay. I assume you had a bad experience.
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The turkey is slimy, the chicken is rubbery, never going back
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Not my favorite place. But I do like their bread.
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Not my favorite place. But I do like their bread.
You can go, just wash down your food with cold soda.
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I haven't been to Subway too many times but the times I've eaten there I have been very dissapointed with the quality and taste of the food.
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I stopped eating subway when I started keeping Kosher... I used to like it but over time it began to suck.
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It's just another fast food chain. Expect very little from any of them.
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I guess you can ask Jarred about that.
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I disagree with everyone here. It is by far the best of the mass-chain fast-food joints. I have never been disappointed.
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I disagree with everyone here. It is by far the best of the mass-chain fast-food joints. I have never been disappointed.
Man, you must have a stomach made of caste iron.
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The manager of the closest Subway to here runs a very tight ship, and is very strict with cleanliness. The subs taste great too.
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The manager of the closest Subway to here runs a very tight ship, and is very strict with cleanliness. The subs taste great too.
So, wait- how much mustard do you have to put on to drown out the taste? :)
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Compared to McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, and KFC, Subway is the quality of a Gordon Ramsey establishment.
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The manager of the closest Subway to here runs a very tight ship, and is very strict with cleanliness. The subs taste great too.
So, wait- how much mustard do you have to put on to drown out the taste? :)
lol. The Italian BMT tastes good with the cheesy bread even without mustard. Other Subways don't taste quite as good as my nearby one though usually.
*hides post from people who shouldn't read it*
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Its the only fast food place where you can watch them prepare your food and you decide what goes on it. Props to them on that!
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I stopped eating subway when I started keeping Kosher... I used to like it but over time it began to suck.
Same. If I hadn't started keeping kosher I still would not have eaten there.
Out of curiosity, are we allowed to discuss treif restaurants/food on this forum? Kind of openly admitting to a sin you know?
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It's not a sin for Gentiles, so yes we can.
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I stopped eating subway when I started keeping Kosher... I used to like it but over time it began to suck.
Same. If I hadn't started keeping kosher I still would not have eaten there.
Out of curiosity, are we allowed to discuss treif restaurants/food on this forum? Kind of openly admitting to a sin you know?
I have complained about this before...
Since most of the members are not Jewish they feel that it is ok to talk about cheeseburgers, bacon and such in front of us who cannot eat it...
I just keep reminding every Jew to keep kosher...
No real Pizzas on Passover either!
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It's not a sin for Gentiles, so yes we can.
a) I thought you were Jewish. Oh well. b)I don't think it's right for you guys to talk about it because this is the JTF (not GTF) and a lot of us don't eat it anymore and it's not right to temp us like that. So...... yeah.
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OK, I didn't start the thread though.
But I thought there are kashrut Subways in NYC.
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It's not a sin for Gentiles, so yes we can.
a) I thought you were Jewish. Oh well. b)I don't think it's right for you guys to talk about it because this is the JTF (not GTF) and a lot of us don't eat it anymore and it's not right to temp us like that. So...... yeah.
Mo, we have discussed it before... Although I fully agree with you about this we should understand the audience of JTF.
I think we should give strength to Jews who are keeping mitzvot while still not offending the gentiles.
But I think it is insensitive to talk about bacon cheeseburgers in front of me... I really used to love them. Even one of my Rabbis admits he used to like ham sandwiches... We are supposed to keep kosher because Hashem commanded us, even though we may like the food.
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Subway is the only fast food I've touched. Never had problems with it.
Most of the people that work at ours are Czech and Polish.
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It's not a sin for Gentiles, so yes we can.
a) I thought you were Jewish. Oh well. b)I don't think it's right for you guys to talk about it because this is the JTF (not GTF) and a lot of us don't eat it anymore and it's not right to temp us like that. So...... yeah.
Mo, we have discussed it before... Although I fully agree with you about this we should understand the audience of JTF.
I think we should give strength to Jews who are keeping mitzvot while still not offending the gentiles.
But I think it is insensitive to talk about bacon cheeseburgers in front of me... I really used to love them. Even one of my Rabbis admits he used to like ham sandwiches... We are supposed to keep kosher because Hashem commanded us, even though we may like the food.
Yes I used to love them too which is why I hate discussing it. Hopefully the eaters of it will not discuss it further.
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I haven't gone to one since I went Kosher. But I would go to a Kosher one.
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It's not a sin for Gentiles, so yes we can.
a) I thought you were Jewish. Oh well. b)I don't think it's right for you guys to talk about it because this is the JTF (not GTF) and a lot of us don't eat it anymore and it's not right to temp us like that. So...... yeah.
Mo, we have discussed it before... Although I fully agree with you about this we should understand the audience of JTF.
I think we should give strength to Jews who are keeping mitzvot while still not offending the gentiles.
But I think it is insensitive to talk about bacon cheeseburgers in front of me... I really used to love them. Even one of my Rabbis admits he used to like ham sandwiches... We are supposed to keep kosher because Hashem commanded us, even though we may like the food.
can you put non dairy cheese together with turkey bacon?
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I stopped eating subway when I started keeping Kosher... I used to like it but over time it began to suck.
Have you ever had kosher subway? There is one half a mile from me. They charge more than the non kosher subways, they do not honor what they show on tv either. And what gets most people is the color of the meats since as you know with kosher meats they need to drain the blood out.
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I don't like Subway food. I don't think it's healthy. I prefere McDonalds or Burger King (it's not healthy too but I do like it more than Subway!)
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In Britain they use halal meat in subway apparently,so do dominoes and if theres 5 prisoners out of a thousand who are muslim they are all fed halal because its less expensive to buy two lots.
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I stopped eating subway when I started keeping Kosher... I used to like it but over time it began to suck.
Same. If I hadn't started keeping kosher I still would not have eaten there.
Out of curiosity, are we allowed to discuss treif restaurants/food on this forum? Kind of openly admitting to a sin you know?
I have complained about this before...
Since most of the members are not Jewish they feel that it is ok to talk about cheeseburgers, bacon and such in front of us who cannot eat it...
I just keep reminding every Jew to keep kosher...
No real Pizzas on Passover either!
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What do you mean no real pizzas on passover?
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
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My vote is :thumbsdown:
Too much bread which, IMO, isn't all that great.
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They can't eat leavened bread like Pizza crust on Passover.
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
Once again I fully agree with you. But as I explained before we are in the minority here. I believe it would do all the Jews a great service if they kept Kosher and lived by our Torah. I think that by discussing trief food some Jews may come to think Kashrut is not important. But I also am not the master of JTF and I can only work within the parameters which have been set by the leaders here.
Ultimately this comes down to how Chaim wants to run this organization. I will stand firm that encouraging Jews to keep mitzvot is very important but I will also understand when it comes to Chaims decisions.
PS: I think it is awesome that JTF shuts down for the Sabbath... Some have suggested to run the forum over Shabbat, but I recommended against it.
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
But this forum has both Jewish and Gentile members. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. If non kosher food comes up...I don't think it is out of disrespect for the Jewish members. I don't necessarily think that food, or a food chain, is the most important thing we could be talking about...but we can't be serious 100% of the time.
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I wont eat at Subway because the bread is too doughy.
I buy French rolls at the store, remove the soft dough from the middle, and eat only the crust...it has to be crunchy.
My favorite fillings are turkey breast or homemade meatballs.
Here is a recipe for homemade meatballs.
1 and 1/2 lbs fresh ground sirloin.
2. 1 onion finely minced.
3. 1 half teaspoon of cumin powder
4. 1/4 teaspoon of cinnamon
5. 1 tablespoon of oil.
6. half cup of fresh parsley chopped finely.
7. 1.2 teaspoon of curry powder
8. 1 teaspoon of elephant garlic grated finely or sauteed to a mush.
9. 1 egg
10. 1/2 cup bread crumbs
11. 1 teaspoon of salt and 1 teaspoon of pepper.
Mix all ingredients by hand in a bowl very well for 3 minutes.
Shape meatballs into the size of golfballs.
Sautee meatballs in a little oil till browned. Then add 2 cups of water to the pot.
Next you add 1 teaspoon of curry powder to the water and 1 teaspoon of garlic salt.
Now you add 1 teaspoon of oil to the meatballs, water and spices.
Cook for 1 hour covered, on a med low boil.
After 1 hour you add fresh Cauliflower cut up, 2 X 2 inch pieces.
One whole cauliflower is suggested for the meal.
Cook meatballs and cauliflower for an additional 2 hours to make it tender.
Stir every 10 minutes and keep cooking at a low flame.
Total cooking time is 3 hours for tender meatballs and vegetables. Serve with hot French bread.
If you do not like cauliflower, you can use celery, potatos or squash instead.
P.S. This recipe is Kosher.
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
Once again I fully agree with you. But as I explained before we are in the minority here. I believe it would do all the Jews a great service if they kept Kosher and lived by our Torah. I think that by discussing trief food some Jews may come to think Kashrut is not important. But I also am not the master of JTF and I can only work within the parameters which have been set by the leaders here.
Ultimately this comes down to how Chaim wants to run this organization. I will stand firm that encouraging Jews to keep mitzvot is very important but I will also understand when it comes to Chaims decisions.
PS: I think it is awesome that JTF shuts down for the Sabbath... Some have suggested to run the forum over Shabbat, but I recommended against it.
I also like how JTF shuts down for shabbat, but I see no problem with gentiles talking about non-kosher food here. Reading comments about non-kosher food on a forum doesn't make me feel like going out and buying it.
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OK, let me qualify my comments then.
1: Subway is one of the best fast-(non-kosher)-food places in my opinion--possibly the best.
2: I know there are kosher Subways, but I don't know how good they are.
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
Once again I fully agree with you. But as I explained before we are in the minority here. I believe it would do all the Jews a great service if they kept Kosher and lived by our Torah. I think that by discussing trief food some Jews may come to think Kashrut is not important. But I also am not the master of JTF and I can only work within the parameters which have been set by the leaders here.
Ultimately this comes down to how Chaim wants to run this organization. I will stand firm that encouraging Jews to keep mitzvot is very important but I will also understand when it comes to Chaims decisions.
PS: I think it is awesome that JTF shuts down for the Sabbath... Some have suggested to run the forum over Shabbat, but I recommended against it.
I also like how JTF shuts down for shabbat, but I see no problem with gentiles talking about non-kosher food here. Reading comments about non-kosher food on a forum doesn't make me feel like going out and buying it.
lol especially since most of it is unhealthy.
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I eat there on occasion and only get the Veggie patty since the meats aren't kosher (and yes, I'm a hippocrit because I might as well only eat in kosher restaurants). Anyway, don't be fooled. There is no calorie count on the veggie patty..only the veggie delight.
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It's not a sin for Gentiles, so yes we can.
a) I thought you were Jewish. Oh well. b)I don't think it's right for you guys to talk about it because this is the JTF (not GTF) and a lot of us don't eat it anymore and it's not right to temp us like that. So...... yeah.
Mo, we have discussed it before... Although I fully agree with you about this we should understand the audience of JTF.
I think we should give strength to Jews who are keeping mitzvot while still not offending the gentiles.
But I think it is insensitive to talk about bacon cheeseburgers in front of me... I really used to love them. Even one of my Rabbis admits he used to like ham sandwiches... We are supposed to keep kosher because Hashem commanded us, even though we may like the food.
Thank goodness I have never purposely tasted Ham, Bacon, Shrimp, or Lobster...and anytime I ever accidently had it, I became nauseated.
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They can't eat leavened bread like Pizza crust on Passover.
Thanks
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
Once again I fully agree with you. But as I explained before we are in the minority here. I believe it would do all the Jews a great service if they kept Kosher and lived by our Torah. I think that by discussing trief food some Jews may come to think Kashrut is not important. But I also am not the master of JTF and I can only work within the parameters which have been set by the leaders here.
Ultimately this comes down to how Chaim wants to run this organization. I will stand firm that encouraging Jews to keep mitzvot is very important but I will also understand when it comes to Chaims decisions.
PS: I think it is awesome that JTF shuts down for the Sabbath... Some have suggested to run the forum over Shabbat, but I recommended against it.
I can't believe that the discussion of non kosher food can cause such a pitfall. If this is the case I think it would be almost impossible to watch TV or open a magazine. People can't be tempted so easy on an important issue like this. I think most people who chose to keep kosher are not tempted over the talk of Subways or a McDonald's cheese burger. If anything I would think foods like this would reinforce the reason to keep kosher.
I fully support JTF's decision to close the forum on Shabbat because its the right thing to do from a religious standpoint. In it's early days the forum did remain open. If the forum remained open during the weekend there is no doubt in my mind that the membership to our forum would be well into the hundred's of thousands by now. Saturday night was the busiest time on the forum when it was allowed to stay open. Still and all we need to maintain a religious standard and closing down the forum may be worth the price of upholding this standard.
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Damn.. I am very drunk.. I have some difficulties with writing this message.. I will tell you more about it later... I talked wiht an russssian about Pisslam and it's evil things... He agree with JTF!!!! He is 57 or younger.. a grea russian!!l... damn i go to sleep now.. I will talk abot it later.. see ya
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I don't like the Subway smell... underground or above ground it's all the same to me! ;D
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Everything aside, I still think Subway is the king of mass-market fast food.
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Everything aside, I still think Subway is the king of mass-market fast food.
They actually make vegetables taste good. I think the best part for me is the bread, I love bread. The more bread, the better. :)
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Damn.. I am very drunk.. I have some difficulties with writing this message.. I will tell you more about it later... I talked wiht an russssian about Pisslam and it's evil things... He agree with JTF!!!! He is 57 or younger.. a grea russian!!l... damn i go to sleep now.. I will talk abot it later.. see ya
At least you still know how to spell Pisslam correctly, so you must not be too drunk. You got that 100% right.
I wish all Russians would be righteous people. I think they have great potential to be a righteous nation if only they would grasp it.
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Everything aside, I still think Subway is the king of mass-market fast food.
They actually make vegetables taste good. I think the best part for me is the bread, I love bread. The more bread, the better. :)
Torah tells us:
"Man does not live by bread alone"
:::D
"He afflicted you and let you hunger, then He fed you the mahn that you did not know, nor did your forefathers know, in order to make you know that not by bread alone does man live, rather by everything that emanates from the mouth of G-d does man live." (Devarim 8:3)
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It's hard for those of us who used to eat non-kosher food to see this being discussed. The yetzer hara is always there, and it's just something we'd rather not see on a Jewish Forum. The forum is closed on shabbos for a reason and it's only fair if people (especially Jews) try to not to discuss the sins they do which some of used to do but still have a temptation for because we are only human. I've only been frum for a year and I miss cheeseburgers (among other things) like hell. I come to this forum to discuss important things in this world and I just don't see how discussing a non-kosher fast-food chain is relevant unless there was something JTF-worthy to discuss (a scandal etc).
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Anyway, there is such a thing as a kosher subway's! I don't know where you guys live, but in certain Jewish community of people I know, they recently got a subways with a kosher certification. (there are other "nonJewish" places that serve kosher-only in certain store locations, ie kosher dunkin donuts, etc such places market to areas with a big frum population and not many kosher choices to eat at)...
For those people who are so tempted by nonkosher food that they can't bear a discussion of it (which means you are probably still working on avoiding these foods and eliminating them from your diet, so I must congratulate and encourage you for doing your best to take on the mitzvahs of kashrut, and urge you to keep up your effort), I would suggest that you avoid looking at such a thread. If the name "Subway" or McD's or anything else in the title is enough to drive you crazy, then just imagine the person means a "kosher Subway" (obviously such a place has less on the menu than normal subway's), be sad you're not in Israel where just about everything is kosher, and avoid clicking on the thread.
(I believe there is one kosher mcdonalds in Israel if I remember correctly... of course tons of kosher burger places though).
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Unless a person is purposely trying to tempt someone to stray from their beliefs...I don't see the problem.
Temptation is every where. The individual has to figure out how to avoid it themselves. You can't turn the whole world off.
Just do me and Mumann a favor (although I'm sure a few others will be grateful as well)
What favor? Not to talk about food?
Not to talk about non-kosher food. Aside from the fact this is a Jewish forum, and non-kosher is against religion, is it really relevant to talk about eating that stuff?
Once again I fully agree with you. But as I explained before we are in the minority here. I believe it would do all the Jews a great service if they kept Kosher and lived by our Torah. I think that by discussing trief food some Jews may come to think Kashrut is not important. But I also am not the master of JTF and I can only work within the parameters which have been set by the leaders here.
Ultimately this comes down to how Chaim wants to run this organization. I will stand firm that encouraging Jews to keep mitzvot is very important but I will also understand when it comes to Chaims decisions.
PS: I think it is awesome that JTF shuts down for the Sabbath... Some have suggested to run the forum over Shabbat, but I recommended against it.
I can't believe that the discussion of non kosher food can cause such a pitfall. If this is the case I think it would be almost impossible to watch TV or open a magazine. People can't be tempted so easy on an important issue like this. I think most people who chose to keep kosher are not tempted over the talk of Subways or a McDonald's cheese burger.
People who grew up keeping kosher, no. No temptation there. People who grew up eating and enjoying this stuff, but only later in life decided to keep kosher, there can be a huge temptation. Because the fact is it tastes good, and people who have tasted it know that.
Then it comes down to a balance scale between "tastes good" vs. "God's will." Rationally thinking anyone can choose wisely there. But physical temptations cause a streak of irrationality, where the taste becomes very compelling even though it is so trivial and worthless. So for these people it's best if they don't think about it too much or have debates on it. I think they'd be wise not to open up a thread about it.
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OK, I didn't start the thread though.
But I thought there are kashrut Subways in NYC.
Yeah I'm pretty sure there are.
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can you put non dairy cheese together with turkey bacon?
What's "non dairy" cheese? If it is fake 'cheese' that really has no dairy in it, then it is not dairy (and not cheese). You could combine nondairy with anything, as long as the anything itself is kosher.
What's turkey bacon? You run a science lab in your kitchen?
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Everything aside, I still think Subway is the king of mass-market fast food.
They actually make vegetables taste good. I think the best part for me is the bread, I love bread. The more bread, the better. :)
Torah tells us:
"Man does not live by bread alone"
:::D
"He afflicted you and let you hunger, then He fed you the mahn that you did not know, nor did your forefathers know, in order to make you know that not by bread alone does man live, rather by everything that emanates from the mouth of G-d does man live." (Devarim 8:3)
Thanks Muman I'm actually very fond of that.
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Is this kosher?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlQm5jFL50&feature=channel
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Damn.. I am very drunk.. I have some difficulties with writing this message.. I will tell you more about it later... I talked wiht an russssian about Pisslam and it's evil things... He agree with JTF!!!! He is 57 or younger.. a grea russian!!l... damn i go to sleep now.. I will talk abot it later.. see ya
At least you still know how to spell Pisslam correctly, so you must not be too drunk. You got that 100% right.
I wish all Russians would be righteous people. I think they have great potential to be a righteous nation if only they would grasp it.
Shalom everyone
I am sorry because of this embarrassing scene yesterday. I was really tight. But I had a great conversation with a Russian man! I will open a new topic about it.
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Just want to give mt two cents here
Somehow the talk of subway led to a Jewish discussion about the appropriateness of talking about unkosher food around people who have recently stopped.
I have to agree w our kosher Jewish members that it can be a little insensitive to talk about it here because it tempts them which we don't want to do. Outside of this forum chaim would say regarding these Jews who feel that to move to Israel and not Tel Aviv.
To my recently kosher friends on the forum yasher koach. I am proud of you. I started out into and was born into a more kosher home than you meaning no treyf or mixing milk with meat but ate unkosher beef or chicken outside. I also mixed poultry with milk. For the past two years I have stopped eating unkosher meat and for the last 6 months off of mixing poultry with milk (which I hated doing at first). I still do eat in nonkosher restaurants but only fish or other nonmeats. I guess you can say I'm soing one step at a time. What I want to know is how you feel about that?
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Another comment I want to make. Whether it is kosher or unkosher mikky d's or burger king etc. Both are very unhealthy and basically poisonous. Some of these places us MSG which is carcinogenic. So to me its a moot point. To be tempted by kosher fastfood or unkosher fastfood is like a former smoker being tempted by cigarettes
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Another comment I want to make. Whether it is kosher or unkosher mikky d's or burger king etc. Both are very unhealthy and basically poisonous. Some of these places us MSG which is carcinogenic. So to me its a moot point. To be tempted by kosher fastfood or unkosher fastfood is like a former smoker being tempted by cigarettes
I used to wonder why restaurant food tasted better than home made food, even really well made home made food. I found out that's because of the MSG.
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I always thought Subway fast food was healthy.
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For the past two years I have stopped eating unkosher meat and for the last 6 months off of mixing poultry with milk (which I hated doing at first). I still do eat in nonkosher restaurants but only fish or other nonmeats. I guess you can say I'm soing one step at a time. What I want to know is how you feel about that?
I feel that that is great! To not eat the non-kosher meat is a huge deal. A big mitzvah, so kol hakavod.
As far as other stuff, probably best to avoid in general but at the same time a lot of things aren't necessarily 'unkosher' even though they might not have a 'hechsher' ie- getting a salad in a nonkosher restaurant. As long as they are not cutting their lettuce with the knife they use for the meat (I think they have enough knives), nothing is really "not kosher" about a salad... If you find a good rav who understands these issues well and also can relate to where you're coming from, he can give you good advice regarding these things as you are still moving step by step.
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I agree, it sucks pretty badly! I got sick twice eating one the beef subs, and also the chicken and turkey. There must be tons of preservatives in the meat and on the veggies!
If you have a delicate stomach or colon, forget about eating there and having a good Day!
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Just want to give mt two cents here
Somehow the talk of subway led to a Jewish discussion about the appropriateness of talking about unkosher food around people who have recently stopped.
I have to agree w our kosher Jewish members that it can be a little insensitive to talk about it here because it tempts them which we don't want to do. Outside of this forum chaim would say regarding these Jews who feel that to move to Israel and not Tel Aviv.
To my recently kosher friends on the forum yasher koach. I am proud of you. I started out into and was born into a more kosher home than you meaning no treyf or mixing milk with meat but ate unkosher beef or chicken outside. I also mixed poultry with milk. For the past two years I have stopped eating unkosher meat and for the last 6 months off of mixing poultry with milk (which I hated doing at first). I still do eat in nonkosher restaurants but only fish or other nonmeats. I guess you can say I'm soing one step at a time. What I want to know is how you feel about that?
I've figured out there is only one way to live: Keeping kosher. Nobody said it would be easy, but life isn't easy.
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The following is a recent article that relates to part of the discussion in this thread:
Eat fresh, eat kosher: Subway the largest U.S. kosher restaurant chain
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/08/05/1007057/the-largest-us-kosher-restaurant-chain-is-subway
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I always thought Subway fast food was healthy.
Not everything at Subway is healthy. The Meatball sub for example has about 42 grams of fat.
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Not everything at Subway is healthy. The Meatball sub for example has about 42 grams of fat.
Chaim will disagree with me but fat is not bad in and of itself, even animal fat. Some types of fat (i.e. olive oil) are even very good for you. The bad fat that you need to ALWAYS avoid is trans fat (hydrogenated oil), which literally is petrolatum jelly (it is a synthetic, artificial lubricant) in your veins. Your body cannot get rid of it, ever. It stays in your arteries forever and is the main cause of heart attack, stroke, and diabetes.
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Not everything at Subway is healthy. The Meatball sub for example has about 42 grams of fat.
Chaim will disagree with me but fat is not bad in and of itself, even animal fat. Some types of fat (i.e. olive oil) are even very good for you. The bad fat that you need to ALWAYS avoid is trans fat (hydrogenated oil), which literally is petrolatum jelly (it is a synthetic, artificial lubricant) in your veins. Your body cannot get rid of it, ever. It stays in your arteries forever and is the main cause of heart attack, stroke, and diabetes.
Why should he disagree with you? Fat is a necessary part of a healthy diet. It is excessive fat and trans fat, as you stated, that is bad.
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Not everything at Subway is healthy. The Meatball sub for example has about 42 grams of fat.
Chaim will disagree with me but fat is not bad in and of itself, even animal fat. Some types of fat (i.e. olive oil) are even very good for you. The bad fat that you need to ALWAYS avoid is trans fat (hydrogenated oil), which literally is petrolatum jelly (it is a synthetic, artificial lubricant) in your veins. Your body cannot get rid of it, ever. It stays in your arteries forever and is the main cause of heart attack, stroke, and diabetes.
you have a point, CF. Fish oil is also good. Flax seed uncooked is good and both contain HDL cholesterol which is good cholesterol that helps lower the LDL bad cholesterol.
However, oils such as olive oil, should not be cooked. IF they are cooked, they are bad for you.
and of course in moderation...
the healthiest oil to cook with is grapeseed oil as far as what my wife told me.
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Never heard that about olive oil. I fry almost everything in it.
Generally speaking if oil is liquid at room-temp it is at the least not bad for you. Animal fats are solid at RT but they are natural and unmodified, and we have animal fat too, of course.
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Not everything at Subway is healthy. The Meatball sub for example has about 42 grams of fat.
Chaim will disagree with me but fat is not bad in and of itself, even animal fat. Some types of fat (i.e. olive oil) are even very good for you. The bad fat that you need to ALWAYS avoid is trans fat (hydrogenated oil), which literally is petrolatum jelly (it is a synthetic, artificial lubricant) in your veins. Your body cannot get rid of it, ever. It stays in your arteries forever and is the main cause of heart attack, stroke, and diabetes.
Why should he disagree with you? Fat is a necessary part of a healthy diet. It is excessive fat and trans fat, as you stated, that is bad.
It's true what both of you guys say, we do need some fat in our diets, but the sheer amount that is in today's common foods (especially packaged foods and snacks) is completely unnecessary and contributes to problems. And saturated fat is very bad for you, one should really limit intake of saturated fat... It's not just transfat that is the problem. But you're right that polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats in olive oil and other foods such as peanuts are very good for a person. It's just the quantity that can be a problem. Most people today as a general rule overeat (ie people eat way more than they really Need to eat)....
Also be on the lookout for packaged foods that include "Partially hydrogenated" oils... Not AS bad as completely hydrogenated oils, but also still very bad, and almost every packaged food contains this in one form or another. It can sometimes be hard to find foods where they don't do any hydrogenation of the oils. And that is because hydrogenated oil has longer shelf-life, and a higher melting point, making it 'semi-solid' at room temp and I think making it cheaper for transportation.
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Not everything at Subway is healthy. The Meatball sub for example has about 42 grams of fat.
Chaim will disagree with me but fat is not bad in and of itself, even animal fat. Some types of fat (i.e. olive oil) are even very good for you. The bad fat that you need to ALWAYS avoid is trans fat (hydrogenated oil), which literally is petrolatum jelly (it is a synthetic, artificial lubricant) in your veins. Your body cannot get rid of it, ever. It stays in your arteries forever and is the main cause of heart attack, stroke, and diabetes.
you have a point, CF. Fish oil is also good. Flax seed uncooked is good and both contain HDL cholesterol which is good cholesterol that helps lower the LDL bad cholesterol.
However, oils such as olive oil, should not be cooked. IF they are cooked, they are bad for you.
Why is that? I never heard this before. I know it is not healthy to deep-fry stuff, obviously, but as far as cooking a dish with olive oil in it, I'm not sure why should the oil be any less healthy if it is put directly onto food after it's cooked, vs. cooking a little in the food you're making.
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Also, I have read that the most unhealthy of all oils to cook with is Canola oil. It is really rapeseed oil, which originated in Canada, but which for obvious reasons could not be successfully marketed as such. So it was called "canola" . This oil for reasons I can't remember now, becomes something very unhealthy when it is cooked, unlike most other oils (which is why your comment about olive oil surprised me. I understood that other oils are ok to cook with). I noticed that canola oil is extremely popular in use in Israel, all over the shelves, and one of the cheapest cooking oils available. I was very disappointed by this.
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The reason why we think saturated fat (animal/palm/coconut oil) is so terrible today is because the soybean industry and its surrogates (like the so-called Center for Science in the Public Interest) has spent millions of dollars for decades presenting natural fats as "unhealthy" and their hideous alternative of margarine/Crisco as "healthy". Most of America, and certainly the whoring medical establishment and its flunkies have bought into this garbage. Even today, when doctors are forced to admit how terrible trans fats are, they will sometimes add the politically-correct caveat that "saturated fats are still worse", which is a total LIE.
PS the difference between "partially" and "fully" hydrogenated oils is just semantics. That's why I just listed "hydrogenated oils". They might start off with a soybean or cottonseed base but they are bombarded in a nuclear reactor, under thousands of degrees, until they are molecularly converted to a petrolatum-like substance that keeps forever.
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I know it is not healthy to deep-fry stuff, obviously
Depends on what you deep-fry it in, and how balanced your diet is.
but as far as cooking a dish with olive oil in it, I'm not sure why should the oil be any less healthy if it is put directly onto food after it's cooked, vs. cooking a little in the food you're making.
I think that if you re-use liquid vegetable oils a lot, you can start converting the oil molecules to trans-fat molecules, but I don't do that.
Also, I have read that the most unhealthy of all oils to cook with is Canola oil.
I can't believe that, Crisco or any other hydrogenated oil has to be the worst.
It is really rapeseed oil, which originated in Canada, but which for obvious reasons could not be successfully marketed as such.
Rapeseed is mustard oil, never heard that anything is unhealthy about mustard.
So it was called "canola" . This oil for reasons I can't remember now, becomes something very unhealthy when it is cooked, unlike most other oils
Acrylamides? (I thought those come from burning starch.)
(which is why your comment about olive oil surprised me. I understood that other oils are ok to cook with). I noticed that canola oil is extremely popular in use in Israel, all over the shelves, and one of the cheapest cooking oils available. I was very disappointed by this.
It's not the worst. It is a "ghetto" kind of oil but any liquid oil that is not constantly reused isn't too bad. I don't see why Israelis can't use more olive oil though. The Mediterranean climate is perfect for olives, so I can't believe why it would be so expensive there.
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Never heard that about olive oil. I fry almost everything in it.
Generally speaking if oil is liquid at room-temp it is at the least not bad for you. Animal fats are solid at RT but they are natural and unmodified, and we have animal fat too, of course.
no no dont do that w olive oil. Olive oil is supposed to be used without cooking. You actually make the molecules worse when you cook olive oil..i learned this recently.
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Do you have a link?
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No, they're saying that olive oil shouldn't be cooked
Canola oil not cooked with too much heat because it is cancerous.
But grapeseed oil is a different thing which you can cook with..and has less problems than the other too.
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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/15/cooking-oil.aspx
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Agree with it completely on the subject of coconut oil--the problem is it is so expensive and of limited availability compared to the other oils. I do use a lot of saturated fats though (butter, lard, etc.).
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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/15/cooking-oil.aspx
I like that site (mercola)... been there before...