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Title: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: takebackourtemple on September 08, 2009, 01:31:32 AM
   Looks like the days of universities giving scholarships based on merit are coming to an end. This year the university is asking academic achievers to donate back some of their scholarship. Next year I wouldn't be surprised if it just disappears. Instead the money is going to go to low income underachievers who don't even show up for classes.
   I'm not completely against need-based scholarships for those who are serious, but there should be some merit based requirements tied to them. For the investment to pay off, there should be a B or better requirement. Maybe with room for a few Cs. If the student had to at least show up for class, that would be some type of improvement over what it is now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090907/ap_on_bi_ge/us_merit_aid_giveback
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on September 08, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
The negro is the idol that our generation worships.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on September 08, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
They just want to recruit ebonics babbling morons to show how progressive they are.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: RanterMaximus on September 08, 2009, 02:20:56 PM
I worked my way through school and never asked for a dime.  These inner city morons can't even read at a third grade level, but academia is only concerned with their PC image.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on September 08, 2009, 02:57:02 PM
I worked my way through school and never asked for a dime.  These inner city morons can't even read at a third grade level, but academia is only concerned with their PC image.

Same here.  I worked at an ice cream plant doing cleanup and almost all of the money I made went to school.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: patches on September 08, 2009, 03:13:37 PM
I'd like to work at an ice cream plant.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: The One and Only Mo on September 08, 2009, 06:02:57 PM
I'd like to work at an ice cream plant.

I'd work at a beer or cigarette factory. Yet, ice cream would be pretty awesome, too.   8) 8)
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: RanterMaximus on September 08, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: cjd on September 08, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.
The mark up on the product is astronomical  so unless you were taking the snacks by the case the boss could not care less. They are more concerned about the money end of the equation. People that are receiving grant money to attend school should at least have to maintain a B or C average or get cut off for the up coming years funding.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: muman613 on September 08, 2009, 08:21:35 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.

I wonder if this falls under the Torah command to allow a worker to eat some of what he works on... This is one of the commandments...

http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/736283/Lebowitz,_Rabbi_Aryeh
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/relationships.html
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The Bible does allow one type of worker to partake of an employer’s product. The Bible gives a field worker the right to eat of the produce with which he works. The Bible states (Deuteronomy 23:26-27): "When you come [as a worker] into your neighbor’s vineyard, you may eat as many grapes as is your desire, to your fill, but you may not put any into a receptacle. When you come into your neighbor’s standing corn, you may pluck ears with your hand, but you should not lift a sickle on your neighbor’s standing corn." These laws ensure that a field worker has a right to eat a small amount of the crop he or she is working on while harvesting. These laws, however, also protect the field owner from a rapacious worker who will take too much. The Bible does not allow the worker to place any of the produce into a receptacle. The Talmud makes clear that the phrase "to satisfy your hunger" limits the worker from gorging himself, even without placing any of the food into a container (Babylonian Talmud, Bava Metzia 87b).
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: Moshe92 on September 08, 2009, 08:28:36 PM
When I visited Harvard recently, they said that 60% of students are on financial aid. Some private universities are becoming almost like public universities.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: cjd on September 08, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.

I wonder if this falls under the Torah command to allow a worker to eat some of what he works on... This is one of the commandments...

http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/736283/Lebowitz,_Rabbi_Aryeh
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/relationships.html
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The Bible does allow one type of worker to partake of an employer’s product. The Bible gives a field worker the right to eat of the produce with which he works. The Bible states (Deuteronomy 23:26-27): "When you come [as a worker] into your neighbor’s vineyard, you may eat as many grapes as is your desire, to your fill, but you may not put any into a receptacle. When you come into your neighbor’s standing corn, you may pluck ears with your hand, but you should not lift a sickle on your neighbor’s standing corn." These laws ensure that a field worker has a right to eat a small amount of the crop he or she is working on while harvesting. These laws, however, also protect the field owner from a rapacious worker who will take too much. The Bible does not allow the worker to place any of the produce into a receptacle. The Talmud makes clear that the phrase "to satisfy your hunger" limits the worker from gorging himself, even without placing any of the food into a container (Babylonian Talmud, Bava Metzia 87b).

Interesting post Muman. I like the reasoning in the Jewish bible law.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: RanterMaximus on September 08, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
Being a college student on a limited budget, a snack here and a snack there came in handy, as I did not have the finances to spend a lot on groceries. 
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on September 08, 2009, 10:55:03 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.

How long ago was this?
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: The One and Only Mo on September 09, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
Being a college student on a limited budget, a snack here and a snack there came in handy, as I did not have the finances to spend a lot on groceries. 

good thing you don't smoke.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: RanterMaximus on September 09, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Being a college student on a limited budget, a snack here and a snack there came in handy, as I did not have the finances to spend a lot on groceries. 

good thing you don't smoke.

Or drink!  I went to a private college.  The only thing more broke than me was the car I drove.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: RanterMaximus on September 09, 2009, 06:45:34 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.

How long ago was this?


A time way back when I was younger, dumber, and one of the few people on campus who sported a "Impeach Clinton" t-shirt.
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on September 10, 2009, 05:28:26 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.

How long ago was this?


A time way back when I was younger, dumber, and one of the few people on campus who sported a "Impeach Clinton" t-shirt.

I was just a high school sophomore at the time and a little dumber because I supported Clinton. 
Title: Re: Penn State shows how they really value merit.
Post by: RanterMaximus on September 10, 2009, 05:34:27 PM
I ran a vending route and had a boss who didn't care if I took some snacks here or there as long as I didn't overdue it.  That was the closest I came to a handout.

How long ago was this?


A time way back when I was younger, dumber, and one of the few people on campus who sported a "Impeach Clinton" t-shirt.

I was just a high school sophomore at the time and a little dumber because I supported Clinton. 

Good thing you where too young to vote. ;D