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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Secularbeliever on October 24, 2009, 11:13:45 PM
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I have laughed at them I will admit so I am not trying to claim some kind of personaly superiority. I am not arguing that we should not tell it like it is about the Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons and Farrakhams. They are Jew hating scum and America haters. I am not saying pull any punches on Obama.
What I am saying is that if Chaim is trying to position himself as a future Prime Minister of Israel, or a man who will lead a movement that saves western civilization then it takes away from the seriousness of his message when he does the falsetto voices and the Ummh huhs (or however he says it). He comes across as being more of a White Chris Rock or Dave Chapelle. I have sent some of his scathing attacks on Blacks (like the Michael Jackson rant) to right wing friends who laughed and shook their heads after hearing them. This will probably not help him when he is trying to raise money from wealthy people which he needs to do.
I think the correct model for race discussion was Meir Kahane. He started JDL with confrontations with Black anti Semites. I took part in some later ones and they were righteous. I never heard Kahane categorize Black people, put them down as a group, refer to them as animals, (a right wing friend of mine who is not naturally sympathetic to Blacks really winced at him calling Michelle Obama an ape) etc. I think it is fine to discuss the high levels of social degradation in the Black community such as crime and illegitimacy but I don't think that kind of categorizing put down is helping us. Kahane used to say that he was against Blacks getting things (especially at the expense of Jews) just because they were Black. While that might be controversial (yes we do live in a sick world) it was well stated and hard to argue with rationally.
In fact if he feels a need to discuss the issue (I am not sure why it comes up so much other than members ask for them for entertainment purposes) quote the Thomas Sowells and Walter Williams who frame these issues as Blacks being degraded by being sold and buying the welfare mentality. I personally feel that is a huge part of their problems and that while they may be the first and worst in terms of being hit by it, White people are starting to catch up.
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I think Chaim should just be Chaim. The first step to being prime minister is to get into Israel. So he has to try to get the ban lifted, and doing impressions of shenaynay and shaniqua is not going to impact that at all. Once he gets into Israel, Israelis will get behind him, impressions and all... But he does need to appeal to Ethiopian Jews once in Israel, and the American shvartzes are no longer relevant at that point, so at that point he may no longer feel it necessary to talk about Shaniqua.
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No, I want Chaim to be the way he is.
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I think basically it is an eye for an eye. If we consider what (most) blacks say about us, Chaims stories are a mild answer. I find it unfair, that Muslims, Blacks & co. can run verbal amok and if we reply adequate, they say: You racist!
It is time to change this rule.
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I think basically it is an eye for an eye. If we consider what (most) blacks say about us, Chaims stories are a mild answer. I find it unfair, that Muslims, Blacks & co. can run verbal amok and if we reply adequate, they say: You racist!
It is time to change this rule.
You said it the way I would say it Ulli!!!
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As long as Chaim keeps saying that it's not about genetics, but about culture, there should be no problem.
I myself however try to see peoples 'ethnicity' rather than race and see how it relates to their spirit and mind.
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I used to feel the same way when I first joined. However chaim should be chaim. And we should humiliate our enemies. Respectibility will not win anyones heart either. After awhile of listening to chaim it all clicks and some of u may notice I'm on the bandwagon with a few jokes of my own.
Of course its not about genetics or race. Its about culture. And while not all blacks are evil we do know that it is a sizable majority who are. In a situation like that one is guilty until proven innocent. And with an ethnicity that is righteous innocent until proven guilty. What I mean is if I'm driving through a black neighborhood I'm making sure my doors are locked. Guilty until proven innocent. And I'm not judging by color but by knowledge that black people as an ethnicity may break into cars.
And of course in other non black neighborhoods I'll do the same thing for the same reason.
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No. He should tell more. The truth is the truth. That is what people are looking for. People have enough venues to get the whitewashed version of things. Chaim is entertaining, but what he has to say is based on reality.
A quality that we should be looking for in potential leaders, in America, is the courage to speak the truth. I pray that will be the same for Israel. We have had enough of the other phonies.
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No. He should tell more. The truth is the truth. That is what people are looking for. People have enough venues to get the whitewashed version of things. Chaim is entertaining, but what he has to say is based on reality.
A quality that we should be looking for in potential leaders, in America, is the courage to speak the truth. I pray that will be the same for Israel. We have had enough of the other phonies.
Amen
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I think not, and especially since Chaim jokes about white people, Hispanics, and Jews, so why would you want to make blacks immune ? For this forum and "ask JTF" Chaim's stories and jokes are very proper in my opinion. I know Chaim can give good interviews and to debate, and in such occasions he also knows how to express his view well without being too funny.
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I think that Chaim is best sticking to his values and not selling out to popular opinion. Unfortunately, almost all other leaders have and we see where that has taken us. The only problem that I see with Schvartze jokes is that most people misunderstand Chaim's message and immediately attack him when they hear what they don't want to hear. I don't know what the best solution to this problem is, but it is not caving in.
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Don't give it up! We're supposed to degrade and humiliate the people who want us dead.
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He should tell more such stories. One of Chaim's stories reveals more truth about the sickness in that culture than a hundred essays or editorials could ever hope to achieve. The reason they are so funny is because they are so true.
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Because the stories are true and because Chaim is only staying true to the stories by doing the voices properly it is not racist.It isn't any different than if he had caught it on tape and showed us the tape,in my opinion.
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I agree with Dan Ben Noah. I happen to like those stories, but even if you don't like them, they're just a small part of JTF.
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NO.
Chaim, please don't change a thing.
If anything, he's too mild.
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Sometims humor can be used to get across very serious points. The schvartza voice isn't the only voice impression he does, as others have mentioned. He's made fun of Russians, self-hating Jews, Arabs, and others too.
For another example of serious humor, look at Steven Crowder's videos on youtube. He uses humor, but it gets across his points in a very effective way. You come away laughing, and absorbing the conservative message too.
I think we should be glad that Chaim is Chaim.
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I like Chaim and laughing it makes my day! :clap:
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i think Chaim's stories about blacks are hilarious and very entertaining, however I agree with secular believer that overall its not going to help the JTF become a mass movement. Lets face it, the reality is that the vast majority of Jews, and i'm talking about zionist right wing Jews, they are not so into the black jokes and whatnot. I think it's funny, but I would rather see Chaim become a more influential leader, and if he has to be a bit less "funny" then so be it!
asking him to be our stand up comedian that we like to listen to because it amuses us is simply immature and selfish on our parts in my opinion. Instead we should be asking Chaim to address the real serious issues that we face as Jews, like the self hating leftist Jews, Arab muslims, the Iranian nuke threat, the illuminati/free masons strangle hold on Israeli politics, the Obama administration etc.
The blacks of america are the least of our problems in the grand scheme of things.
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The blacks of america are the least of our problems in the grand scheme of things.
I disagree. What about Barack Hussein Obama?
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The blacks of america are the least of our problems in the grand scheme of things.
I disagree. What about Barack Hussein Obama?
Blacks in America are not the entire problem however they are a major part of the problem. The other part of the picture is the millions of illegals and the filthy liberals the enable them all.
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No. He should tell more. The truth is the truth. That is what people are looking for. People have enough venues to get the whitewashed version of things. Chaim is entertaining, but what he has to say is based on reality.
A quality that we should be looking for in potential leaders, in America, is the courage to speak the truth. I pray that will be the same for Israel. We have had enough of the other phonies.
I agree, besides, Hussein aint 'pro-Israel' so, go for it, besides, Hussein is a BLACK MAN, so get USED to it black folks...the white people have taken enough beatings.
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I agree with Dan Ben Noah. I happen to like those stories, but even if you don't like them, they're just a small part of JTF.
They are small, but they are very important and are a big draw.
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Chaim used to be worst. He used to say n199er outright.
So, I'd say he had already toned down a lot.
Although, I do know that people pass off his tech-support stories. That's something to think about. But telling the truth about negroids? I think there's nothing wrong about telling the truth.
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I think that Chaim should stop any anti-black racial connotations in his message. I think it hurts our movement. I did express this opinion earlier. Now, it doesn't mean that we should not criticize black community and their culture, but I think referral to blacks as apes, making Aunt Jemima voices, etc, hurt JTF chances of becoming a mass movement, hurt our chances of collaboration with Mannings and Keys of the black community.
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I don't agree.
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heres another thing.. chaim is equal opportunity guy also...He not only makes fun of evil blacks, but also of evil Jews...Are you trying to tell us he should drop the jokes on blacks, but not on Jews?! I'm sorry...if he's going to end one, he has to end them all...
unfortunately, many of us have been poisoned by political correctness...it's time to wake up and smell the coffee...
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heres another thing.. chaim is equal opportunity guy also...He not only makes fun of evil blacks, but also of evil Jews...Are you trying to tell us he should drop the jokes on blacks, but not on Jews?! I'm sorry...if he's going to end one, he has to end them all...
unfortunately, many of us have been poisoned by political correctness...it's time to wake up and smell the coffee...
Dr. Dan - you are very intelligent person to make such a superficial argument. Chaim never generalized Jews, Polles, French, English, Germans, Russians, Italians or even Arabs as he does Blacks. Calling black apes has nothing to do with being political incorrect or politically correct. I believe that JTF message is not going to be affected by removing race-specific insults. Blacks are not muslime arabs.
While 97% of blacks voted for BHO, so did 78 of Jews - which is a much greater sin and much greater degree of vicious hatred of everything Jewish. Are we going now to describe majority of American Jews according to Der Sturme editorial guidelines, G-d forbid!
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It is all up to Chaim not us.
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OK - so I'm sitting in a hospital waiting room with my Dad who is having a test. Please pray for him. Across from me sits a well dressed black man. A deacon or pastor. He was talking about writing a sermon. He is talking into his bluetooth - loudly. Talking about the fried rice that just passed. A Chinese technician had just walked by.
A couple of meatballs. Guess who that be ;D. Yes - my Dad, CJD and me. He also mentioned the rye bread at the reception desk.
There be no one more prejudiced then most blacks.
So let us stop tip toeing and cowtowing to them.
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OK - so I'm sitting in a hospital waiting room with my Dad who is having a test. Please pray for him. Across from me sits a well dressed black man. A deacon or pastor. He was talking about writing a sermon. He is talking into his bluetooth - loudly. Talking about the fried rice that just passed. A Chinese technician had just walked by.
A couple of meatballs. Guess who that be ;D. Yes - my Dad, CJD and me. He also mentioned the rye bread at the reception desk.
There be no one more prejudiced then most blacks.
So let us stop tip toeing and cowtowing to them.
I'll pray for him bullcat
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ok will pray as well.
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Thank You Americanhero and AsheDina. God bless you both.
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OK - so I'm sitting in a hospital waiting room with my Dad who is having a test. Please pray for him. Across from me sits a well dressed black man. A deacon or pastor. He was talking about writing a sermon. He is talking into his bluetooth - loudly. Talking about the fried rice that just passed. A Chinese technician had just walked by.
A couple of meatballs. Guess who that be . Yes - my Dad, CJD and me. He also mentioned the rye bread at the reception desk.
There be no one more prejudiced then most blacks.
So let us stop tip toeing and cowtowing to them.
I certainly hope your Dad's tests come out well. When you say let's stop tip toeing and cowtowing, who is suggesting that we do that?
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OK - so I'm sitting in a hospital waiting room with my Dad who is having a test. Please pray for him. Across from me sits a well dressed black man. A deacon or pastor. He was talking about writing a sermon. He is talking into his bluetooth - loudly. Talking about the fried rice that just passed. A Chinese technician had just walked by.
A couple of meatballs. Guess who that be . Yes - my Dad, CJD and me. He also mentioned the rye bread at the reception desk.
There be no one more prejudiced then most blacks.
So let us stop tip toeing and cowtowing to them.
I certainly hope your Dad's tests come out well. When you say let's stop tip toeing and cowtowing, who is suggesting that we do that?
Thank You for your kind words Secularbeliever.
I'm not suggesting that you said that. I guess I'm speaking for myself mostly.
Do you think it would have gone over big if I told someone on the phone that a bucket of fried chicken was in the room.
I would never even think to do that. Especially in the waiting room of a hospital.
I'm tired of being so careful not to appear racist, when actually the shoe is on the other foot.
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OK - so I'm sitting in a hospital waiting room with my Dad who is having a test. Please pray for him. Across from me sits a well dressed black man. A deacon or pastor. He was talking about writing a sermon. He is talking into his bluetooth - loudly. Talking about the fried rice that just passed. A Chinese technician had just walked by.
A couple of meatballs. Guess who that be ;D. Yes - my Dad, CJD and me. He also mentioned the rye bread at the reception desk.
There be no one more prejudiced then most blacks.
So let us stop tip toeing and cowtowing to them.
That big monkey was a piece of work. Here he was a minister dressed in high priced clothing and he still had the demeanor of a filthy animal. I thought I was going to laugh in his face as he was giving the monkey on the other end of the phone line the food description of the people in the room. The fat black animal was quite entertaining... Better then the episode of Gun Smoke that was on the TV. :::D That dumb niggeraa learned this old racist a new trick. From now on I am going to use that food description thing to let people I am on the phone with know when some porch monkeys are around by saying there are some watermelons and fried chicken in the room. I still cant figure out who was the rye bread however the receptionist looked more like corn beef and cabbage to me :::D :::D which would make me the rye bread.
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I prayed for your dad.
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I prayed for your dad.
Thanks Rubystars. G-d willing the test he had today will turn out ok and he will be able to get the surgery he actually went into the hospital today to get rescheduled. At the last moment they saw something in one of the tests that may complicate the surgery and the doctor wanted to follow up on it before going further.
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From what I noticed, witnessed, and been the victim of, blacks are the most anti-white and anti-Semitic animals that ever were conjured by Satan! So, no Chaim, don't stop the jokes! Shvartzes are low class animals!
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From what I noticed, witnessed, and been the victim of, blacks are the most anti-white and anti-Semitic animals that ever were conjured by Satan! So, no Chaim, don't stop the jokes! Shvartzes are low class animals!
I could not agree more. I have avoided saying what I really feel Chaim should do because I feel Chaim should do what Chaim feels is best. For me Chaim's plain way of speaking back in the old QPTV days is what made me really feel JTF was a movement with some fire in it. He and David Ben Moshie were a voice of reason here in the crazy city of New York. If Chaim became to politically correct he just would not be Chaim. Something tells me however that that will never happen.
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Everyone should realise that the issue is between Jews, the legal owners of Eretz Yisrael on one side and Arab invaders and Muslim terrorist on the other. There is no black/white racial or culrural conflict in EY.
I have always opposed the use of "Schvartze" to refer to Balck people. It's an Yiddish word. Most Yiddish speakers where the victims of the Holocaust in central and East Europe who never met a black person. Schvartze is simply the name of a color in Yiddish not used to refer to peoples or races. By using it as a racial name, it leads people to think European Jews have a racial slur in their language, which is not true. We must honor the memory of European Jewish martyrs and avoid misusing their language.
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heres another thing.. chaim is equal opportunity guy also...He not only makes fun of evil blacks, but also of evil Jews...Are you trying to tell us he should drop the jokes on blacks, but not on Jews?! I'm sorry...if he's going to end one, he has to end them all...
unfortunately, many of us have been poisoned by political correctness...it's time to wake up and smell the coffee...
Dr. Dan - you are very intelligent person to make such a superficial argument. Chaim never generalized Jews, Polles, French, English, Germans, Russians, Italians or even Arabs as he does Blacks. Calling black apes has nothing to do with being political incorrect or politically correct. I believe that JTF message is not going to be affected by removing race-specific insults. Blacks are not muslime arabs.
While 97% of blacks voted for BHO, so did 78 of Jews - which is a much greater sin and much greater degree of vicious hatred of everything Jewish. Are we going now to describe majority of American Jews according to Der Sturme editorial guidelines, G-d forbid!
Manch, I have to respectfully disagree here. Chaim does generalize evil left wing Jews and Arabs...and some Russians as well..haven't heard imitations of the other groups. He bundles in other European anti-semites as well.
Secondly, it's not a racial thing that's the issue. I think a lot of people get mixed up here...I even used to get mixed up. It's not that they are black that makes them ape-like or evil. The color of their skin is irrelevant...Chaim says this all of the time and I do appreciate the fact that he has those disclaimers about behavior and genetics. And he doesn't call all blacks apes..he calls the evil ones apes. And i would add that there are non blacks who act like animals..Chaim does mention that as well.
The majority of American blacks might as well be Muslim Arabs. They act jealous of whitey like muslim arabs are jealous of Israel. They make up their own holidays and religions just like muslims have. I'm sorry, but the majority of blacks in the US and western world are equivalent to the majority of pesky arabs in Israel. There is a real parallel.
So you have a problem with making fun of blacks...tell us what the proper solution should be when we address the evil blacks of the US?
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Everyone should realise that the issue is between Jews, the legal owners of Eretz Yisrael on one side and Arab invaders and Muslim terrorist on the other. There is no black/white racial or culrural conflict in EY.
I have always opposed the use of "Schvartze" to refer to Balck people. It's an Yiddish word. Most Yiddish speakers where the victims of the Holocaust in central and East Europe who never met a black person. Schvartze is simply the name of a color in Yiddish not used to refer to peoples or races. By using it as a racial name, it leads people to think European Jews have a racial slur in their language, which is not true. We must honor the memory of European Jewish martyrs and avoid misusing their language.
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Bullcat and CJD i will pray for your father
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Bullcat and CJD i will pray for your father
Thank You Rubystars and Mord. Your prayers are much appreciated.
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cjd and bullcat, may God bless your father. I will certainly say a prayer for him tonight.
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cjd and bullcat, may G-d bless your father. I will certainly say a prayer for him tonight.
Thank You, Mishmaat.
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So you have a problem with making fun of blacks...tell us what the proper solution should be when we address the evil blacks of the US?
Dr. Dan, it is not the issue - the issue is that, IMO, JTF should not make racial epithetets while referring to blacks. I am very comfortable with HaRav's Kahane external attitude on this matter. And you wouldn't say that HaRav Kahane was a less effective fighter for Jewish rights and security than Chaim?
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How did kahane address evil blacks?
I do still maintain that chaims method is still acceptable.
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How did kahane address evil blacks?
I do still maintain that chaims method is still acceptable.
I heard an audio where rabbi Kahane is a guest in some talk radio show and he had a militant black caller. As far as I recall he was (the rabbi) sort of humorous and he sent his regards to Louis (Farakhan).
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How did kahane address evil blacks?
Kahane and JDL got started by confronting Jew hating Blacks and Puerto Ricans,especially regarding the NYC teachers strike in the late 1960s, who either politically or physically abused Jews. I was at some later confrontations including one where a big JDL guy tossed a piano on some anti-Semitic Blacks and Puerto Ricans.
Kahane was accused of racism all the time and his very measured answer was that he was not going to overlook the Jew hatred just because the perpetrator was Black. I think that is all that needs to be done and said.
I think that calling Blacks animals and making fun of how they speak is just adding shock value with no upside. Again it comes down to what your goal is. If you want a Howard Stern type following maybe it makes sense. If you aspire to becoming the Prime Minister of Israel and reviving Western Civilization then it only takes away from your seriousness. Could you imagine Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul2 or any serious world leader engaging in that?
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cjd and bullcat, may G-d bless your father. I will certainly say a prayer for him tonight.
Thank You, Mishmaat.
Thank for the thoughts and prayers we got some good news this afternoon on the tests my father took the other day ( Thank G-d ). He is now cleared for his original procedure. G-d willing that will go well also.
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cjd and bullcat, may G-d bless your father. I will certainly say a prayer for him tonight.
Thank You, Mishmaat.
Thank for the thoughts and prayers we got some good news this afternoon on the tests my father took the other day ( Thank G-d ). He is now cleared for his original procedure. G-d willing that will go well also.
That is great news
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cjd and bullcat, may G-d bless your father. I will certainly say a prayer for him tonight.
Thank You, Mishmaat.
Thank for the thoughts and prayers we got some good news this afternoon on the tests my father took the other day ( Thank G-d ). He is now cleared for his original procedure. G-d willing that will go well also.
That is great news
Terrific news. I hope that your Dad's procedure turns out perfectly and that he has many, many years of good health ahead.
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I will pray that the procedure will go well for him.
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If it concerns u the way blacks are addressed mention it on an ask jtf.
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How did kahane address evil blacks?
Kahane and JDL got started by confronting Jew hating Blacks and Puerto Ricans,especially regarding the NYC teachers strike in the late 1960s, who either politically or physically abused Jews. I was at some later confrontations including one where a big JDL guy tossed a piano on some anti-Semitic Blacks and Puerto Ricans.
Kahane was accused of racism all the time and his very measured answer was that he was not going to overlook the Jew hatred just because the perpetrator was Black. I think that is all that needs to be done and said.
I think that calling Blacks animals and making fun of how they speak is just adding shock value with no upside. Again it comes down to what your goal is. If you want a Howard Stern type following maybe it makes sense. If you aspire to becoming the Prime Minister of Israel and reviving Western Civilization then it only takes away from your seriousness. Could you imagine Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul2 or any serious world leader engaging in that?
Completely agree! I find Chaim parody of blacks entertaining and funny, but I believe it is quite detrimental to our goals.
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When Chaim gets to Israel (please G-d let it happen soon), the American Shaniqua's will be completely irrelevant as an issue. There won't be much reason for him to talk about them to the Israeli public.
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When Chaim gets to Israel (please G-d let it happen soon), the American Shaniqua's will be completely irrelevant as an issue. There won't be much reason for him to talk about them to the Israeli public.
well, you're probably right. However, I think we can agree that the majority of American blacks liken to what the majority of Muslim arabs are in Israel and the middle east...
one example: both make up their own religion and holidays while copying it from others.
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Like I said it is up to Chaim if he wants to stop or not.
It is not up to us.
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chaim black impressions are brilliant..he has genuwine comdy timing...
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When Chaim gets to Israel (please G-d let it happen soon), the American Shaniqua's will be completely irrelevant as an issue. There won't be much reason for him to talk about them to the Israeli public.
exactly my point i made earlier! the whole topic of blacks in america and how they behave is not really relevant in the larger scheme of things when concerning Israel and our future in the middle east! Besides the comic relief of it all, i find the whole black topic pretty irrelevant, even if obama is black, still doesnt take away from the fact that he's really a problem for Israel because he's a muslim. and also, with all seriousness, it's important to remember that blacks are not even smart enough to be a serious threat to us Jews, so then why bother wasting our energies and time even addressing them so often?? muslims (of all colors) are the real threat...
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When Chaim gets to Israel (please G-d let it happen soon), the American Shaniqua's will be completely irrelevant as an issue. There won't be much reason for him to talk about them to the Israeli public.
exactly my point i made earlier! the whole topic of blacks in america and how they behave is not really relevant in the larger scheme of things when concerning Israel and our future in the middle east! Besides the comic relief of it all, i find the whole black topic pretty irrelevant, even if obama is black, still doesnt take away from the fact that he's really a problem for Israel because he's a muslim. and also, with all seriousness, it's important to remember that blacks are not even smart enough to be a serious threat to us Jews, so then why bother wasting our energies and time even addressing them so often?? muslims (of all colors) are the real threat...
In America though, they were/are a real threat because of the prevalent antisemitism in that demographic. But in Israel I agree that they become less relevant. We do still care about the Jews in America of course, but they will need someone else to step up to the plate as a leader to combat black antisemitism, Chaim has bigger business to take care of.