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In a recent Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, Larry David accidentally urinates on a picture of Jesus while he is a guest in someone else’s home. This, in turn, leads to a misunderstanding in which the homeowners think they have a miraculously weeping Jesus.
Some Christians are understandably upset.
Just some thoughts on what this episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm has revealed:
Are producers of this show, or Larry David, or anyone else connected to it fearing for their lives right now? Are there Christian groups calling for the death of anyone in connection to this episode?
In comparison, let us say, to the Muhammad cartoons riots and death threats, what does this say about Islam and Christianity? Which faith is a Religion of Peace and which one is not?
Would the producers of this show have just as easily allowed a scene in which Larry David urinates on a Koran? He couldn’t urinate on a picture of Muhammad because we all know that making a representation of Muhammad gets you an immediate death sentence. So we have to settle for the Holy Book. But how much does anyone want to bet that this would never be allowed?
Question: Why in our culture is urinating on Jesus easily permitted but urinating on the Koran is simply unthinkable? What does this signify?
And why is it that the people who right now are rolling their eyes and saying that Christians should get a life because this is freedom of expression, the same ones who would be up in arms if Larry David had done the same thing to the Koran? They are the ones who blamed the artists of the Muhammad cartoons for provoking and upsetting Muslims. They are the ones who argue that, when it comes to the sensibilities of Muslims, free speech has limits. If Curb Your Enthusiasm had an episode in which Larry David urinated on a Koran, they would be on the front lines saying that this is Islamophobia and that we must be sensitive to the feelings of Muslims, etc. It would be deemed as hate speech. There would be lawsuits and the show would be cancelled and David’s career would be over.
HBO has come to the defense of the episode, saying that it is all about parody. Everyone needs to lighten up. So, if Larry David urinated on the Koran, would HBO tell everyone they need to lighten up because it is parody? What does it say that we know for a fact that the latter would simply never happen?
What meaning and lesson do we draw from this?
Editor’s note: For the whole story on why liberals refuse to criticize adversarial cultures and religions, read Jamie Glazov’s new book, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror.
http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/30/would-larry-david-urinate-on-the-koran-%E2%80%93-by-jamie-glazov/
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Christians have gotten way desensitized to this kind of abuse because of the secular and/or Christian-hating producers of these types of programs have done it to us again and again. If I had seen that I'd probably make a face of disgust and change the channel. Maybe Christians should have a stronger reaction than that. Then again, it's become so commonplace. I can't imagine the founding fathers would have considered something like that to be "free speech" though.
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That guy is an idiot.
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This is just the way that quranimals act. He should really consider a conversion to Islam for that lack of respect for other people's feelings. >:(
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That doesn't even get a rise out of me. You are right, Ruby. Would you expect anything less from that garbage? Who cares what he thinks.
Larry David is an idiot. I agree Lisa.
You know that Larry David is a Godless man. No matter what he claims. People who are secure in their own belief in God, don't need to attack others beliefs.
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Poor action. ::)
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I hate the man and I hate the despicable character he portrays in the show, but the show is a good laugh nevertheless.
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gonna play a devil's advocate here on this one..haven't seen the episode yet and if I don't think too hard about it, Larry David is kind of funny..although a self hating moron...
From what I've heard, I think he was making fun of certain hardcore Christians who will see it as a miracle sign that a portrait of Jesus or Mary is crying or bleeding...Is one wrong to believe that these things are silly?
I think this is what Larry David was making fun of.
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Can't stand the show, I hate the portrayal of Jewish men as whiny neurotic wimpy buffoons, this is the image of Jews that Jew-haters and self-hating "Jews" adore. Makes my blood boil, you can keep the Woody Allens, Jerry Lewis's and Larry David's, they disgust me.
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PEOPLE SHOULD CANCEL HBO AND TELL THEM BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM WE ARE CANCELING.I CANCELED IT ABOUT A YR AGO
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Im sure the StørmFrønt pigs will propogate this.
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Im sure the StørmFrønt pigs will propogate this.
Jstreet is the Jewish StørmFrønt Dick SILVERSTEIN WENT TO JSTREET CARNIVAL AND IS HIGHLY ADMIRED BY StørmFrønt
http://kapodickie.blogspot.com/2009/06/richard-silverstein-has-joined-nazi.html
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gonna play a devil's advocate here on this one..haven't seen the episode yet and if I don't think too hard about it, Larry David is kind of funny..although a self hating moron...
From what I've heard, I think he was making fun of certain hardcore Christians who will see it as a miracle sign that a portrait of Jesus or Mary is crying or bleeding...Is one wrong to believe that these things are silly?
I think this is what Larry David was making fun of.
That doesn't make it right. Jesus or Mary are important figures in the Christian religion. Urinating on a picture of Jesus or Mary, for any reason, would be offensive to a Christian. Not just a 'hardcore' Christian.
Kind of funny...but evil. When are we going to stop paying attention to evil people with selfish motives? If we did. They would GO AWAY.
People need to get rid of HBO.
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Thanks Mord for bringing up this issue again, as I have started an earlier thread a few days ago... Larry David is a self hating piece of dreck and I will no longer watch his show!
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Seeing someone peeing on a Jesus picture doesn't offend me, and it would be fine if Larry David did that in private. However, I don't think that Larry David peeing on a Jesus picture in a tv show serves any purpose other than making Jews look bad.
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Seeing someone peeing on a Jesus picture doesn't offend me, and it would be fine if Larry David did that in private. However, I don't think that Larry David peeing on a Jesus picture in a tv show serves any purpose other than making Jews look bad.
It doesn't make Jews look bad in my eyes. It makes HIM look bad.
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If Larry David had balls he would be peeing on Muhammad.
That is an excellent point.
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If Larry David had balls he would be peeing on Muhammad.
That is an excellent point.
It is because they are cowards. They pick for their provocation always groups who are too civilized to retaliate.
On the other hand lots of Jews do this kind of stuff. I think it is about revenge for all the progroms, inquisitions and holocausts over the last 2000 years. The civil rights movement for blacks in the USA is imo in the same category as well as their support for the homosexuals and other weird causes.
I understand this. But I have no idea what the vast majority of white Christian citizens of the USA have to do with inquisitions, holocausts and progroms.
Lots of educated leftist people from Christian background pay back with slogans like: end the occupation of the quranimals in Israel etc. They use the same ideology in order to pay back. Althrough the vast majority of Israeli Jews have nothing to do with this group of Jews in the USA.
This all is shurly not about interests, but about mental confusion of leftist people at all. Both Christians as well as Jews. I thought this group is always so proud about their therapists and psychaters. All the hours there didn't help.
I think they have to talk about their real feelings and not do this crazy self destructive stuff and if they talk they should talk first with their neighbours for better understanding.
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On the other hand lots of Jews do this kind of stuff. I think it is about revenge for all the progroms, inquisitions and holocausts over the last 2000 years. The civil rights movement for blacks in the USA is imo in the same category as well as their support for the homosexuals and other weird causes.
I understand this. But I have no idea what the vast majority of white Christian citizens of the USA have to do with inquisitions, holocausts and progroms.
Ulli, I disagree with your assertions. First of all, current generation of Jews and Christians in America have nothing to do with the murder and pogroms in Europe and elsewhere. Secondly, a Larry Davids is a type of Jew who would be the first to convert and turn against his fellow Jews who are clinging to our ancestral religion - I think it it pretty obvious that he has no principle worth dying for. Lastly, Larry makes fun of Christians and of Jews simply because they are easy and safe targets. This whole premise of this show, which I really enjoy, is to make fun of Jews who are portrayed as self-centered, neurotic, wimpy and funny as hell.
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Seeing someone peeing on a Jesus picture doesn't offend me, and it would be fine if Larry David did that in private. However, I don't think that Larry David peeing on a Jesus picture in a tv show serves any purpose other than making Jews look bad.
Come again? It sure as hell would offend me if a so-called Christian urinated on pictures of rabbis in private.
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Jews arent offended by this b/c Jesus was just a historical figure to them, not G-d not even a prophet. It would be like someone peeing on any random [insert historical figure], they'd probably be just indifferent to that kinda act. If i was Jewish, id probably feel the same way--its their theological belief.
My beef is how the mass media in America openly bashes Christians but hardly touches other religions. Its a double standard and has become pretty much the norm.
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If Larry David had balls he would be peeing on Muhammad.
But he did had an episode with a totally veiled muslim woman. He set her on a blind date with a blind man.
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Jews arent offended by this b/c Jesus was just a historical figure to them, not G-d not even a prophet. It would be like someone peeing on any random [insert historical figure], they'd probably be just indifferent to that kinda act. If i was Jewish, id probably feel the same way--its their theological belief.
My beef is how the mass media in America openly bashes Christians but hardly touches other religions. Its a double standard and has become pretty much the norm.
It should offend the senses of all decent people. Indifference allows Larry David to earn his millions. It also allows the double standard, that troubles you, to be acceptable.
It seems to me that this indifference, has occured in history once or twice before. ???
If people don't stand up for others, eventually there will be no one left to stand up for them. Doesn't the saying go something like that?
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Jews arent offended by this b/c Jesus was just a historical figure to them, not G-d not even a prophet. It would be like someone peeing on any random [insert historical figure], they'd probably be just indifferent to that kinda act. If i was Jewish, id probably feel the same way--its their theological belief.
My beef is how the mass media in America openly bashes Christians but hardly touches other religions. Its a double standard and has become pretty much the norm.
It should offend the senses of all decent people. Indifference allows Larry David to earn his millions. It also allows the double standard, that troubles you, to be acceptable.
It seems to me that this indifference, has occured in history once or twice before. ???
If people don't stand up for others, eventually there will be no one left to stand up for them. Doesn't the saying go something like that?
There are different levels of indifference. A Jew isnt obligated to feel offended over something like this--because they inherenty reject/dislike him from a religious perspective. This is different then, for example, if a Jew saw a fellow human being persecuted physically and not being offended. That would be wrong.
And what the media does, i wouldnt call indifference. I attribute it more to out of control liberalism.
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But still Jewish people can and many are are offended.Why doesn't he mock mohamad he mocks Jews and Christians
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But stil lJewish people can and many are are offended.Why doesn't he mock mohamad he mocks Jews and Christians
Because he is a coward. He knows that Jews and Christians tolerate such things. Muslims don't. And this is the strength of the Muslims. They are defensive!
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Jews arent offended by this b/c Jesus was just a historical figure to them, not G-d not even a prophet. It would be like someone peeing on any random [insert historical figure], they'd probably be just indifferent to that kinda act. If i was Jewish, id probably feel the same way--its their theological belief.
My beef is how the mass media in America openly bashes Christians but hardly touches other religions. Its a double standard and has become pretty much the norm.
It should offend the senses of all decent people. Indifference allows Larry David to earn his millions. It also allows the double standard, that troubles you, to be acceptable.
It seems to me that this indifference, has occured in history once or twice before. ???
If people don't stand up for others, eventually there will be no one left to stand up for them. Doesn't the saying go something like that?
There are different levels of indifference. A Jew isnt obligated to feel offended over something like this--because they inherenty reject/dislike him from a religious perspective. This is different then, for example, if a Jew saw a fellow human being persecuted physically and not being offended. That would be wrong.
And what the media does, i wouldnt call indifference. I attribute it more to out of control liberalism.
EVERY JEW I know now, say FLAT OUT that Jesus was a JEW and a HEBREW and one of us, if you are an AMERICAN, this should offend you, that it does not, shows that you hate this nation too.
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ashedina - he was a jewish traitor(trying to make jews belive in another religion has its own catagory of "mesit" which worst then a regular traitor ) , if we are to be honest , why should this offend any jew?
i can understand why it would bother christians , but lets not get over exaggerated here .... in the name of that painting millions of jews were killed and tortured and mocked
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ashedina - he was a jewish traitor(trying to make jews belive in another religion has its own catagory of "mesit" which worst then a regular traitor ) , if we are to be honest , why should this offend any jew?
i can understand why it would bother christians , but lets not get over exaggerated here .... in the name of that painting millions of jews were killed and tortured and mocked
I agree... He was certainly not a good Jew... But lets just leave it at that.. I would not have done something like this, it is in bad taste and why would one do something on purpose to offend others?
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I don't know why you have to personally believe in Jesus to consider it offensive. A rabbi is not a religious leader for me, and yet I would be very offended if an image of a rabbi were desecrated.
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I don't know why you have to personally believe in Jesus to consider it offensive. A rabbi is not a religious leader for me, and yet I would be very offended if an image of a rabbi were desecrated.
It is offensive to me only because it is something which would offend other, non-Jews... He is in no position to make Jews look bad because he doesn't represent Jewish ideas but still people know his heritage and what he is doing brings us derision.
But people are able to desecrate anything they want to. Once something is physical, like a flag or a statue, it can be burned and it can be broken. Burning a picture of a Rabbi is no big deal to me because it is only a picture...
And when the haters go so far as to burn Holy Books, such as Torah scrolls and siddurs.... It is a travesty and a nightmare and something which makes me very sad. But it is not the end of the world. In Jewish history many a Jewish Sefer has been burned by our enemies... At one time it was virtually impossible to find Jewish books because they all had been burned during the Dark ages... We can print new siddurs and scribes can write new Torah scrolls.
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Just because these items can be replaced does not mean that it isn't wrong to desecrate them, of course. I am sure that some of these precious ancient rabbinical manuscripts were one-offs, in the era before printing presses and computer disks, and are lost forever.
Probably about 90% of ancient Christian writs have also been lost--both to Roman Nazi persecution and the wholesale Islamic destruction of any documents from other religions, particularly the sacking of the ancient Christian library in Caesarea, Israel in 640. None of the New Testament was ever actually lost, praise G-d, but many apocryphal writings that, although not actually sacred, taught a lot about the life of the early church, certainly were.
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Jesus is not the point of this debate. ::) Why don't people get that?
Muman could care less if the religion of idolators is attacked. He does that quite often himself. He throws the stones and then hides his hand.
I agree 100% with bonesfan. I don't have to be a Jew, to be hurt when their beliefs are mocked.
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Jesus is not the point of this debate. ::) Why don't people get that?
Muman could care less if the religion of idolators is attacked. He does that quite often himself. He throws the stones and then hides his hand.
I agree 100% with bonesfan. I don't have to be a Jew, to be hurt when their beliefs are mocked.
How come you are attacking me? I did not bring up this topic, and others here have tried to explain that this kind of thing is not something that is against the Jewish beliefs. Pictures are pictures and don't have any special status. If you read what I have said you would read that I said that it is wrong to offend someone on purpose and I would not recommend doing this.
I am disappointed that you are making this a personal issue. I also take offense at your accusation that I am the one who throws stones. It seems quite the opposite as you are the one who is throwing stones. Please grow up and then you can talk with me...
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בס''ד
Here we go again with the same counterproductive arguing.
I'm locking the thread.