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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: Trumpeldor on April 21, 2007, 05:20:29 PM
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Yacov Menashe's Comments: Imerica's question to Chaim was removed from this thread and placed in Ask JTF. This thread is the comments people posted on original thread.
Trumpeldor: I admire you for wanting to have a dialogue with Chaim,
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Thank you. Racism and intolerance are not fun subjects to discuss because there is so much anger there its hard to cut through it. If Chaim dosen't respond to the questions I won't be offended. I'll just go on with my life and continue to teach my daughters how to respect everyone's race/ culture. Life is too short to bash others' religions, and cultures.
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Please post your questions in the Ask JTF thread: http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=3300.0
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http://www.jtf.org/c.mp3
23:45 into that file, Chaim has the answer to your questions.
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Imerica, I can answer the gist of all of your questions.
*Why is your view of blacks, in general, so negative?
Chaim has nothing whatsoever against black people who are not racist and anti-Semitic. He does not dislike any race, and has had several black friends. He is angry at the fact that most blacks in America follow demagogic, anti-Semitic, fascist black leaders such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan.
*Why do you mimic the way you feel black people talk?
Chaim is a long-time radio personality and imitates voices and accents as part of the trade. He mocks racist blacks and all of their ways, such as their uneducated accent. If you speak properly, then he isn't making fun of you! :)
Why is it that you feel black people who are educated are trying to be white, and those who speak ebonics are dumb?
Nobody here believes blacks who are educated are trying to pass for white. As for the latter, it's quite simple. We believe everybody should be educated and speak properly regardless of their race. Everybody can learn basic speech and pronunciation.
*How can you consider yourself a 'civil rights leader' and then use the term 'monkey' to describe black people?
Chaim uses the term "monkey" to describe militant, hateful, uneducated blacks as an insult to them, much as he'd call primitive, hateful militia or KKK whites "rednecks" or "trailer trash".
*Why all of the stereotypes?
Imerica, the fact is that 95% of black Americans, by vote tally and opinion poll, support black leaders such as Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson. That's not a stereotype--that's hard, solid polling data. If you are not in that majority, more power to you!
You sound like a reasonable, patriotic American who is not against Jews, and if this is true, Chaim would be very happy to have you on board.
Chaimfan.
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Thank you. Racism and intolerance are not fun subjects to discuss because there is so much anger there its hard to cut through it. If Chaim dosen't respond to the questions I won't be offended. I'll just go on with my life and continue to teach my daughters how to respect everyone's race/ culture. Life is too short to bash others' religions, and cultures.
Chaim would be more than happy to address your questions (do know there is a two-question limit per week for everyone here) in the Ask JTF thread here at the top of the page here in General Discussion. He puts the answers into a downloadable radio show here every Sunday night or Monday afternoon.
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Imerica, I also admire you for posting on this forum.
Chaimfan's responses to you summed up Chaim's postition accurately.
Many Jews hold Al Sharpton responsible for the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum in Crown Heights, NY when Dinkins was Mayor. He roused up the crowd with his speech about the "diamond dealing Jews." The crowd got hysterical and stabbed the young rabbinical student Yankel Rosenbaum to death. Mayor Dinkins in turn, instructed the police not to intervene during the riots for about two days.
Sharpton also stirred up the angry crowds that lead to the murder of seven people at Freddy's Fashion Mart in Harlem.
Jesse Jackson has referred to New York as Hymietown, and once said that he was sick of hearing about the Holocaust.
On another note, I saw a headline yesterday at the Drudge Report that I found disturbing. A rapper said flat out that he would never ever help the police even if it meant turning in a serial killer, as it would violate his "street credibility." The writer of the article also brought up the fact blacks will rarely help police, even when other blacks are killed, as that's "against the rules." Why do you think that is?
Also, can you elaborate on what you mean by black people "acting white?"
Thanks.
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Imerica, I can answer the gist of all of your questions.
Chaim has nothing whatsoever against black people who are not racist and antisemitic. He does not dislike any race, and has had several black friends. He is angry at the fact that most blacks in America follow demagogic, antisemitic, fascist black leaders such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan. To that end, he mocks racist blacks and all of their ways, such as their uneducated accent. If you speak properly, then he isn't making fun of you! :)
You sound like a reasonable, patriotic American who is not against Jews, and if this is true, Chaim would be very happy to have you on board.
Chaimfan.
I'm listening to the show now and its sad. I wish that the blacks that have hurt him and other Jews didn't but that's no reason to generalize that all blacks are that way. He never makes a distinction whether he's talking about SOME blacks who've committed those crimes and that's what confuses me. Even when he talked about Cleopatra Jefferson, his comments were generalized saying that all black women have 8 children by 8 guys.
I don't hate anyone. I am more than aware of what the Jewish community did and how they contributed to the civil rights movement and I love them for that. Let it be noted also that Jewish people haven't been the only people to stand up on behalf of blacks in this country even in America's past history. The abolitionists were white, they weren't Jewish, there were white people amongst the Jews and others who were fighting for our rights during the civil rights movement. I'm thankful for EVERYONE who have had a hand in making it so that I and my children don't have to suffer at the hands of slavery.
With that said, I think that Chaim is right to a certain extent but he needs to stop pinning the wrongdoings of SOME blacks against Jews on ALL blacks.
For instance, he thinks that MOST blacks follow Al and Jesse. He's incorrect. A lot of blacks, including myself and my husband think that Jesse and Al shouldn't speak for all black people. They certainly don't speak for me. I love my black people but I'm not so dumb as to assume that ALL blacks are law abiding citizens. Just like not All whites, Jews, Asians and Hispanics aren't perfect examples humanities.
This world has a population of over 13 billion people. I don't know EVERY black person in the world, I don't know EVERY white person, nor do I know every Jewish person. So I judge people as I meet them on an individual basis, not as a template of what I think their culture is like based on meeting them that one time. Would that be fair?
I'll pick 2 of my questions from this thread and post them on
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Imerica, I also admire you for posting on this forum.
Chaimfan's responses to you summed up Chaim's position accurately.
Many Jews hold Al Sharpton responsible for the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum in Crown Heights, NY when Dinkins was Mayor. He roused up the crowd with his speech about the "diamond dealing Jews." The crowd got hysterical and stabbed the young rabbinical student Yankel Rosenbaum to death. Mayor Dinkins in turn, instructed the police not to intervene during the riots for about two days.
Sharpton also stirred up the angry crowds that lead to the murder of seven people at Freddy's Fashion Mart in Harlem.
Jesse Jackson has referred to New York as Hymietown, and once said that he was sick of hearing about the Holocaust.
On another note, I saw a headline yesterday at the Drudge Report that I found disturbing. A rapper said flat out that he would never ever help the police even if it meant turning in a serial killer, as it would violate his "street credibility." The writer of the article also brought up the fact blacks will rarely help police, even when other blacks are killed, as that's "against the rules." Why do you think that is?
Also, can you elaborate on what you mean by black people "acting white?"
Thanks.
I can't speak for the people who have done wrong to Jewish people in America. I can say that its deplorable in the sense where anyone who kills ANYONE is deplorable. KKK members have hanged blacks for simply being educated, or calling their ignorance out. Some blacks have killed whites because of their hatred for the white race. That's evident.
And I can elaborate on the "black people acting white" comment. In Chaim's "The truth about Black History Month" video on YouTube, he talks about how black people 'use to try to be white by saying "I am a Black Negro"..(in his weird impersonation of them).' Or how they sang, he used a imitation of a black man singing "Glory Hallelujah". It was supposed to be funny, but it didn't strike me in the least as being funny. It seems that no matter what, there are some blacks who don't like other blacks who speak proper English (because its not something they have attempted to try) and there are people like Chaim who say that we're trying to talk, sing, and act white. That helps no one.
The rapper you spoke of was ignorant. He has obviously had a less than favorable go-round with the police and is now blaming the cops for his problems. Understand something though, rappers don't speak for the entire black community. I like some hip hop but I'm more into hip hop with a message than anything else. No 50 Cent for me, thanks. That rapper is plain ignorant and hateful. It doesn't make him any better than anyone else who hates a race, culture.
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To be honest I'm with Imerica on this one, I understand that a lot of black people do bad things, but it's not all black people, and Chaim generalises too much. "The blacks you just can't live with them they're completely uncivilised" is a direct quote of Chaim, I can agree that some blacks are completely uncivilised, maybe even 60%, but then again, 60% or so of the white people I know are not really civilised...
On the topic of rap, here is good rap: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI I don't like the last verse though, it gets a little too violent in my opinion.
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Imerica,
I just have to applaud you for taking the time to come to this forum, and act in a dignified, thoughtful manner.
I agree with you almost 100%.
I am personally no fan of Hip-hop in general...it's just not a musical style I enjoy that much. Honestly, it has more to do with the lyrics than with the sound of the music though. However, I grew up with a black guy who I considered to be my brother for all intents and purposes. I have since, sadly kind of fallen out of touch with him although I hear tid-bits about him when my Grandmother talks to him mom occasionally.
I know for a fact that not all blacks are the way Chaim portrays them.
Please do not get me wrong...I agree with Chaim on almost everything he has to say, EXCEPT for the race issue. (Which to him is not a race issue but rather a culture issue. He will be the first to tell you that he supported Alan Keyes for President.)
I find that to ME there does seem to be a rather larger amount of untasteful depictions of black people on television and through "Gangsta" rap music than I have found to be the case in everyday life. Most comedy stuff on comedy central depects black people negatively (By black comedians), and a lot of the sit-coms in general depict black people negatively (And they are black sit-coms!)
(To be fair, I think a LOT of Television is trash period.)
But I've also got to say that I am 100% in agreement with Bill Cosby who took the rap/Urban Culture to task over the fact that they DO have the opportunity, now more than ever to educate themselves, and move up in the world and be decent human beings. (And I think it is emphasized through pop-culture that it's better to go the supposedly quick route by becoming a rapper, or by becoming a sports star. I find that disturbing. I think it's a mentality that is self-defeating in the long run.)
But anyways, welcome to the board, and once again...I am pleased that you came and made your thoughts known.
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Imerica...thank you for coming on speaking your mind. You do speak truth and you are definately an exception to what Chaim generalizes about. I hope you stick around as one of the voices of reason, but at the same time with an open mind.
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To be honest I'm with Imerica on this one, I understand that a lot of black people do bad things, but it's not all black people, and Chaim generalises too much. "The blacks you just can't live with them they're completely uncivilised" is a direct quote of Chaim, I can agree that some blacks are completely uncivilised, maybe even 60%, but then again, 60% or so of the white people I know are not really civilised...
On the topic of rap, here is good rap: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI I don't like the last verse though, it gets a little too violent in my opinion.
I don't like that kind of rap. LOL It does seem too militant. Eventhough I did listen to Public Enemy growing up..they had some concious lyrics and never tended to go off to the wayside with lyrics of murdering white people which I'm glad about.
I'm going to post a thread to feature rap that isn't glorifying hatred towards women, black or white later. But on with this subject.
I think there are a lot of people who are uncivilized. Everyone who does evil things are uncivilized to me. I don't care what color they are or what religion they follow. I know some evil black people...my mom, my brother, sister and I were abused by her ex boyfriend for years. I was molested from the ages of 5 to 10 by my mom's brother, I was raped @ 17. These were all black children (they're not worthy of the title MAN) . But guess what, just because I was hurt by them, it dosen't mean that I should blame the rest of the black race, esp. black men for what happened to me. After going through all of that mess, I married someone who respected himself, me and loves the heck out of his family and would never put us in harm's way. For every 10 evil people there are 50 good people in this world. That's how I look at it. It dosen't make the evil less prevelent, but it makes it less important. God will handle them.
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Thanks everyone for the warm welcome! :) I thought I'd actually come in here and have to don a custom-made flame-retardant jumpsuit. lol I'm glad that we can have a conversation on this subject without bashing each other over the head and insulting each other. That's all I want. Even if people disagree with me. I won't die if someone dosen't agree with me. We have different points of view. And that's outstanding to me. :)
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Imerica, I also admire you for posting on this forum.
Chaimfan's responses to you summed up Chaim's postition accurately.
Many Jews hold Al Sharpton responsible for the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum in Crown Heights, NY when Dinkins was Mayor. He roused up the crowd with his speech about the "diamond dealing Jews." The crowd got hysterical and stabbed the young rabbinical student Yankel Rosenbaum to death. Mayor Dinkins in turn, instructed the police not to intervene during the riots for about two days.
Sharpton also stirred up the angry crowds that lead to the murder of seven people at Freddy's Fashion Mart in Harlem.
Jesse Jackson has referred to New York as Hymietown, and once said that he was sick of hearing about the Holocaust.
I'm sorry, I forgot to comment on this response...
Jesse Jackson isn't my representative. But in my opinion his best work is helping out the Chicago Public School System, and helping with jobs. Everything else he sucks at, big time. His political standpoint is skewed. His use of stereotypes against Jews is unneccessary. And his rage against the 'machine' is dumb. He belongs on a commitee that empowers the black people who need it to make their lives better...he dosen't belong in the world of racial politics. This goes for Sharpton also.
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This is like saying Hitler got jobs for German people. Whether or not that's true, both Hitler and Sharpton/Jackson are all about disgusting racism, anti-Semitism, and incitements to genocide.
Does David Duke have a following amongst American whites? No; probably about 2% of American whites support him and his sick goals.
I realize you are not a racist like they are, but we must be vigilant against them and attack those who support and enable them. There are plenty of legitimate African American leaders who deserve credit and a following, such as the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson of California, who preaches that black survival must start in black communities and points out the hypocrisy of black demagogues who only voice concern for black citizens when involved in violent incidents with the police (i.e. where were the black leaders when these kids' lives started going astray before it got to a matter of life and death?).
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This is like saying Hitler got jobs for German people. Whether or not that's true, both Hitler and Sharpton/Jackson are all about disgusting racism, anti-Semitism, and incitements to genocide.
Does David Duke have a following amongst American whites? No; probably about 2% of American whites support him and his sick goals.
I realize you are not a racist like they are, but we must be vigilant against them and attack those who support and enable them. There are plenty of legitimate African American leaders who deserve credit and a following, such as the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson of California, who preaches that black survival must start in black communities and points out the hypocrisy of black demagogues who only voice concern for black citizens when involved in violent incidents with the police (i.e. where were the black leaders when these kids' lives started going astray before it got to a matter of life and death?).
Couldn't we ask the same of the Rev. Jesse Lee? Where was he while some black youth's lives started going astray? They were all involved in their own lives. I don't hold that against them. Its not their responsibility to set youth straight, but it is commendable with Jesse Lee steps up to the plate to lend a hand. I think rearing our children is the responsibility of the parents. It will never be said that our girls went without knowing right from wrong, because we , their dad and I mirror to them how to behave and carry themselves. This doesn't mean that they'll be doormats; because they will leave our house with the knowledge that they deserve respect.
When I become a teacher, part of the responsibility will be on me to mirror my morals onto them where it will count in the classroom and in life. Hopefully, with no problems their parents and I will work together on that task.
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Imerica, the distinction is that Jesse Lee is not accusing whites of making at-risk black kids choose to go astray. That's a HUGE difference. He is right when he attacks the black establishment for only showing regard for black youths when they die or are wounded at the hands of the police. Over here in Los Angeles, the entire African American establishment stood ready to lynch the entire LAPD when officer Steven Garcia shot dead thirteen-year-old black car thief Devon Brown when he attempted to run him down. Brown did not choose a life of crime overnight--it, like any other criminal's development, was a long and gradual process that required a lack of regard from his elders, encouragement by negative peer influences, insufficient punishment by the system, and the like. This black child's life was lost because nobody in his culture bothered to instill that shoplifting/petty theft/grand theft/car theft/drug use is WRONG and DETESTABLE.
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I also like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and Mychal Massie. Their excellentcolumns appear on Townhall.com.
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Imerica, the distinction is that Jesse Lee is not accusing whites of making at-risk black kids choose to go astray. That's a HUGE difference. He is right when he attacks the black establishment for only showing regard for black youths when they die or are wounded at the hands of the police. Over here in Los Angeles, the entire African American establishment stood ready to lynch the entire LAPD when officer Steven Garcia shot dead thirteen-year-old black car thief Devon Brown when he attempted to run him down. Brown did not choose a life of crime overnight--it, like any other criminal's development, was a long and gradual process that required a lack of regard from his elders, encouragement by negative peer influences, insufficient punishment by the system, and the like. This black child's life was lost because nobody in his culture bothered to instill that shoplifting/petty theft/grand theft/car theft/drug use is WRONG and DETESTABLE.
Chaimfan, you're right. The parents/grandparents,aunts and uncles are to blame for Devon's demise. I don't blame the cop for killing him, he had to protect himself. Its sad that he was so young and that no one got a hold of him from birth to teach him right from wrong and to respect others' property. The best people have come out of poverty, the thing is that there are (in every community) some people who subscribe to the "crabs in a barrel" theory. If you do something good in your neighborhood, you're weak and trying to be someone you're not. I think that is what ruins little black children in the beginning.
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To be honest I'm with Imerica on this one, I understand that a lot of black people do bad things, but it's not all black people, and Chaim generalises too much. "The blacks you just can't live with them they're completely uncivilised" is a direct quote of Chaim, I can agree that some blacks are completely uncivilised, maybe even 60%, but then again, 60% or so of the white people I know are not really civilised...
Who does 80%+ of all the muggings in London?
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Lets face it. every single black leader in America is a vicious, Jew hating piece of garbage. Someone who expresses any sort of sympathy for this is crazy. Lets ask ourselves this question. If every single black in America was thrown the hell out and sent back to africa, would this country be a better safer place? The answer is yes. White people are responsible for every single technological advancement in the world. All blacks do are commit crime and suck off the whites. Why is it that we always have to go searching for good blacks. The fact is that when a group is so evil, just because there are a few normal ones doesn't mean we should have any sympathy. I don't care if Imerica comes on here trying to be civilized. We know she and all her buddies are Farakhan supporting scum. I will end my message by saying, the dumbest thing America has done is bring the slaves over here, we would be much better off if she hadn't.
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All blacks do are commit crime and suck off the whites.
Bwahahahaha! ;D I have seen a few white women who return the favour to black guys. ;D
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Lets face it. every single black leader in America is a vicious, Jew hating piece of garbage. Someone who expresses any sort of sympathy for this is crazy. Lets ask ourselves this question. If every single black in America was thrown the hell out and sent back to africa, would this country be a better safer place? The answer is yes. White people are responsible for every single technological advancement in the world. All blacks do are commit crime and suck off the whites. Why is it that we always have to go searching for good blacks. The fact is that when a group is so evil, just because there are a few normal ones doesn't mean we should have any sympathy. I don't care if Imerica comes on here trying to be civilized. We know she and all her buddies are Farakhan supporting scum. I will end my message by saying, the dumbest thing America has done is bring the slaves over here, we would be much better off if she hadn't.
Really? Send blacks back to Africa? Maybe you didn't know this but you're not a natural born citizen of America either. And what sucks are the generalizations. Not all blacks are the way you describe all blacks to be. You only know a few 'good' blacks and that's unfortunate. But you shouldn't go claiming that an entire "group" is evil, especially when you don't like Al Sharpton generalizing about people representative of your race. Do you think that's fair? I can't force you to have an open mind because obviously some black person (or a few) have come into your life and screwed up your view of blacks. I wish you well though. Maybe one day you'll open your eyes and see that not every black person is out to get people of the Jewish culture.
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All I know is that blacks have done nothing positive for mankind. We have already established here that not one medical or tech advancement has come from a black mind. All your people do is murder, rape and create horrendous situations. This is a FACT. As with all truths, it is hard for you to swallow. Your people are evil and worthless through and through. Why do you need affirmative action then? Why is it always blacks needing extra things. Why are they always complaining that they are discrminated against even though there are groups that have come here and succeeded. You are a helpless, stupid people and yes I can generalize. If one black created something other than aids we would of known about it.
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All I know is that blacks have done nothing positive for mankind. We have already established here that not one medical or tech advancement has come from a black mind. All your people do is murder, rape and create horrendous situations. This is a FACT. As with all truths, it is hard for you to swallow. Your people are evil and worthless through and through. Why do you need affirmative action then? Why is it always blacks needing extra things. Why are they always complaining that they are discrminated against even though there are groups that have come here and succeeded. You are a helpless, stupid people and yes I can generalize. If one black created something other than aids we would of known about it.
What you state isn't fact because you're including every black person in your generalization that "all my people do is murder, rape..." are my kids doing that too?
As for affirmative action, I don't need it and have NEVER needed it to get along in life. I'd rather get along in life with my merits than to have someone push me along. But don't get me started on the medical advancements made by black people in America. How much history have you studied on the subject? How do YOU know that not ONE black person has contributed to the betterment of SOMETHING in the U.S.?
And furthermore, I'm not stupid, so give me the respect that I give you and don't include me and my family and friends who don't even know you in your tirade over how many blacks in the world have disgusted you. That's not MY problem.
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Excuse me, you can't name anything that a black created unless you yourself fabricate the creation. Someone on here claimed some time ago that a black invented some elevator part and even that idea was proven to be false and a white mans creation. Please accept the fact that black people are completely uncivilized and then you will be better off. There is no difference between blacks in America and the blacks in the Congo except the blacks here are being supported by whites. The only difference between America and Kenya is the wonderful, inventive white people that sustain it. Without them this land is worthless.
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Mae C. Jemison
Oct. 17, 1956 -
Decatur, Alabama, United States
Nationality: American
Occupation: astronaut
Occupation: physician
Awards: Essence Award, Essence magazine, 1988; named Gamma Sigma Gamma Woman of the Year,1990; honorary doctorate, Lincoln University 1991; Ebony Black Achievement Award, 1992; an alternative public school in Detroit was named The Mae C. Jemison Academy, 1992; Alpha Kappa Alpha, honorary member.
By the time she was thirty-one Mae Jemison had received a double-major in Chemical Engineering and African-American studies and had served as a doctor in the Peace Corps in Liberia and Sierra Leone. She had also made history when she was selected from a pool of 2,000 applicants and became the first black woman selected to be an astronaut by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). She then went on the publish a book for kids and founded her own company, the Jemison Group.
*I have this on common knowledge because her mother was one of my elementary school teachers. She told us about how her daughter was going to school to become the first black woman astronaut...and guess what, she did it!*
***Dr. Daniel Hale Williams (January 18, 1856 - August 4, 1931) was a bi-racial American surgeon.[1] Williams is known today for performing an early surgery on the pericardium, repairing a knife wound with the use of sutures.
***Agricultural chemist, Carver discovered three hundred uses for peanuts and hundreds more uses for soybeans, pecans and sweet potatoes. Among the listed items that he suggested to southern farmers to help them economically were his recipes and improvements to/for: adhesives, axle grease, bleach, buttermilk, chili sauce, fuel briquettes, ink, instant coffee, linoleum, mayonnaise, meat tenderizer, metal polish, paper, plastic, pavement, shaving cream, shoe polish, synthetic rubber, talcum powder and wood stain. Three patents were issued to Carver.
***Vivien Theodore Thomas (August 29, 1910 – November 26, 1985) was an African-American surgical technician who helped develop the procedures used to treat blue baby syndrome in the 1940s. He was an assistant to Alfred Blalock at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee and later at the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. Without any education past high school, Thomas rose above poverty and racism to become a cardiac surgery pioneer and a teacher to many of the country's most prominent surgeons.
Want to refute that?
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Yes I do. The same trick was tried on here awhile back with fraudulent info such as this. You have yet to post any medical breakthrough or scientific invention. There are tons of black doctors in America, the products of affirmative action. in michigan a few years back, affirmative action was stopped and not one black got into medical school there for a whole year. The fact that you post a paragraph of a black performing some seurgery means nothing, blacks make seurgical incisions daily, the metallic bullets flying into innocent peoples bodies. I know you would like to think that you invented everything but the fact is without whitey you would be as medically advanced as your bretheren in the jungles of Africa.
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Blacks in medical history have contributed to medical breakthroughs. I don't care how small their incisions were, they are just as important in American History as anyone else.
And not all doctors, or black college students are products of affirmative Action. And as far as blacks making surgical incisions every day "metallic bullets flying into innocent people's bodies" you are mistaken because not every black man in America is doing that. Yes. Some are but that dosen't make up for the rest of the black community, just because you are angry. That would be like me saying that all white people are raping and killing black women and children when there have only been only a few, to my knowledge. Stop generalizing so much and stop assuming that you know something others don't know. Chances are, you are the one who hasn't done the research.
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Again you are evading the truth. White people don't " shoot people too." Black people are the minority in our population yet they are 90% of the prison population. That is all we need to know. The fact that 95% of American converts to Islam are black tells you something else as well. If you have a black like Alan Keyes than he is obviously not who we dislike. I have also heard this rev Jesse Lee Peterson who is also a normal infividual. My point is you have not distanced yourself from evil such as those men have so that is why I have nothing good to say to you. I know there are a super small minority of good blacks but you cannot look at the minority within a people to judge them. Looking at the American black leadership tells you all you need to know about them. If they were just like whites like you claim they wouldn't vote in by a 95% margin, big, fat, illeterate animals as their leaders.
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Again you are evading the truth. White people don't " shoot people too." Black people are the minority in our population yet they are 90% of the prison population. That is all we need to know. The fact that 95% of American converts to Islam are black tells you something else as well. If you have a black like Alan Keyes than he is obviously not who we dislike. I have also heard this rev Jesse Lee Peterson who is also a normal infividual. My point is you have not distanced yourself from evil such as those men have so that is why I have nothing good to say to you. I know there are a super small minority of good blacks but you cannot look at the minority within a people to judge them. Looking at the American black leadership tells you all you need to know about them. If they were just like whites like you claim they wouldn't vote in by a 95% margin, big, fat, illeterate animals as their leaders.
So the white people like the Una Bomber, don't kill people? How about serial killers who happen to be white, and just reciently an Asian man has been added to the fold? How about those white people who become disgruntled and shoot up their entire office building? White child molesters and rapists are in jail (or at least should be in jail), what about them? What I just mentioned isn't to say that all white people commit these crimes. Like I said, I don't KNOW all white people. Since you want to believe that white people don't commit any crimes (based on the fact that hateful white people have done nothing to you and your race) I thought I'd pass on a little bit of my knowledge.
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Again you are evading the truth. White people don't " shoot people too." Black people are the minority in our population yet they are 90% of the prison population. That is all we need to know. The fact that 95% of American converts to Islam are black tells you something else as well. If you have a black like Alan Keyes than he is obviously not who we dislike. I have also heard this rev Jesse Lee Peterson who is also a normal infividual. My point is you have not distanced yourself from evil such as those men have so that is why I have nothing good to say to you. I know there are a super small minority of good blacks but you cannot look at the minority within a people to judge them. Looking at the American black leadership tells you all you need to know about them. If they were just like whites like you claim they wouldn't vote in by a 95% margin, big, fat, illeterate animals as their leaders.
Of course there are evil people of all shades. But what about percentages? The fact is that if a black couple, be it 2 blacks or a black/white male female couple walk through a white neighborhood the chances of being bothered are less than 3%, and if they needed help they would probably get it. If a male female couple walks through a black ghetto[most black neighborhoods are ghettos] and especially if they are both white, the likelihood that they will be harmed or killed is better than 85% and the 15% safety zone is only the result of times when most of the blacks, being passed out on drugs,are not noticing. 99% of all blacks who get a little success move in with whitey. Only insane self hating whites move in with darkey. Most successful black men hook up with stupid white girls.
So the white people like the Una Bomber, don't kill people? How about serial killers who happen to be white, and just reciently an Asian man has been added to the fold? How about those white people who become disgruntled and shoot up their entire office building? White child molesters and rapists are in jail (or at least should be in jail), what about them? What I just mentioned isn't to say that all white people commit these crimes. Like I said, I don't KNOW all white people. Since you want to believe that white people don't commit any crimes (based on the fact that hateful white people have done nothing to you and your race) I thought I'd pass on a little bit of my knowledge.
Somehow my comments are up there in the middle of the quote????
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This is pointless, I am no longer contributing to this thread. The actions of Blacks have spoken for themselves over time. If blacks were honorable then they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be enslaved like the native americans who were here before us. I dont have to argue these points anymore, just go into a black neighborhood and people will get their answer.
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This is pointless, I am no longer contributing to this thread. The actions of Blacks have spoken for themselves over time. If blacks were honorable then they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be enslaved like the native americans who were here before us. I dont have to argue these points anymore, just go into a black neighborhood and people will get their answer.
Yes, I think if people would take a trip into a black neighborhood at 2 AM, they would indeed get an answer!
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Just like I'd get an answer if I walked into a neighborhood in Cicero (in Chicago) at 2 am.
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This is pointless, I am no longer contributing to this thread. The actions of Blacks have spoken for themselves over time. If blacks were honorable then they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be enslaved like the native americans who were here before us. I dont have to argue these points anymore, just go into a black neighborhood and people will get their answer.
Yes, I think if people would take a trip into a black neighborhood at 2 AM, they would indeed get an answer!
But go with one of those modified cars illustrated on the [censored site] website that have the flame throwers under the side panels so when 4 "poorly raised victims of white devils" approach you to car-jack and murder you just hit the switch and woomph! They all go up in flames!! They even have buses that go on jungle safari type expeditions into the 'hood that are equipped with these flame throwers. It's hilarious, the beasts charge the bus and within inches of perceived "wilding" wwwoooooooooossshhhhh! They are all toasted blacker than before!!!!
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This is pointless, I am no longer contributing to this thread. The actions of Blacks have spoken for themselves over time. If blacks were honorable then they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be enslaved like the native americans who were here before us. I dont have to argue these points anymore, just go into a black neighborhood and people will get their answer.
Yes, I think if people would take a trip into a black neighborhood at 2 AM, they would indeed get an answer!
But go with one of those modified cars illustrated on the [censored site] website that have the flame throwers under the side panels so when 4 "poorly raised victims of white devils" approach you to car-jack and murder you just hit the switch and woomph! They all go up in flames!! They even have buses that go on jungle safari type expeditions into the 'hood that are equipped with these flame throwers. It's hilarious, the beasts charge the bus and within inches of perceived "wilding" wwwoooooooooossshhhhh! They are all toasted blacker than before!!!!
I came here with good intentions and it makes me incredibly sad that this dosen't seem to me to be a site based on uplifting Jewish values and tolerance. You guys meet intolerance with intolerance. That means that you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Allen, you're talking about going into a black neighborhood and killing blacks. Why do you do this? What has an evil black person, or some evil black people done to you to make you so vile and hateful toward people who deserve ? respect? I grew up in the projects, moved at 15 to a middle class neighborhood with less gang violence, yes it was a black neighborhood. I am aware that in our community we have dumb double standards. I'm also aware just by conversing with you guys that you ALSO have a double standard. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson has called the Jewish communities stereotypical names so you fire back with the same kind of action. How does that help anyone?
This site isn't about being pro Jew, this site is about being pro-hate. And you are using it as some kind of therapy. You've found people who are just like you who want to vent about the terrible things that some blacks have done to you and then blame it on the entire race. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE ENTIRE RACE. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE!I'll stand my ground and continue to love Jewish people and everyone else's culture because that's what I was raised to do. Just because JTF has a radio show and a big following, dosen't mean that the rest of the Jews in America and Israel, is like you.
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Imerica:
If you can still see this conversation, I object to your insulting charactarization of this forum as being filled with hate. Hate is not intrinsically a good or bad thing. Many people on this forum are righteous. Righteous people love good and hate evil.
I repeat. To be righteous it is not enough to only love good (as you claim to do). If you don't also HATE evil, then you show that you don't really love good either. If you dont HATE evil, you show you still have some love for evil deep inside. Evil will destroy the good if it is not confronted. So in order to protect the good, you must hate the evil. That is what the righteous do.
It just so happens that until the Messiah comes, evil dominates and there is very little good in the world. That means that the good people must react and act. That's why you see the hate here. But don't think that just because there is hate it is automatically bad, if placed properly (according to G-d's will) hate can be righteous and neccesary.
The Talmud summed up this concept nicely when it said:
Those who are kind to the cruel will ultimately be cruel to the kind.
Imerica I hope you will join us in the path of true righteousness.
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All I know is that blacks have done nothing positive for mankind. We have already established here that not one medical or tech advancement has come from a black mind. All your people do is murder, rape and create horrendous situations. This is a FACT. As with all truths, it is hard for you to swallow. Your people are evil and worthless through and through. Why do you need affirmative action then? Why is it always blacks needing extra things. Why are they always complaining that they are discrminated against even though there are groups that have come here and succeeded. You are a helpless, stupid people and yes I can generalize. If one black created something other than aids we would of known about it.
I would have gotten my Masters Degree if it wasn't for Affirmative action...what happened to em OPENED MY EYES as to what type of self-hating Jew I was...and what the enemy also is...SCUMBAGS like Dr. Larry Leslie of U/South Floruda who calls all Jews "privileged and advantaged" and also is a convert to islam..he is also a close friend of Sami Al-Arian...that says enough
What you state isn't fact because you're including every black person in your generalization that "all my people do is murder, rape..." are my kids doing that too?
As for affirmative action, I don't need it and have NEVER needed it to get along in life. I'd rather get along in life with my merits than to have someone push me along. But don't get me started on the medical advancements made by black people in America. How much history have you studied on the subject? How do YOU know that not ONE black person has contributed to the betterment of SOMETHING in the U.S.?
And furthermore, I'm not stupid, so give me the respect that I give you and don't include me and my family and friends who don't even know you in your tirade over how many blacks in the world have disgusted you. That's not MY problem.
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All I know is that blacks have done nothing positive for mankind. We have already established here that not one medical or tech advancement has come from a black mind. All your people do is murder, rape and create horrendous situations. This is a FACT. As with all truths, it is hard for you to swallow. Your people are evil and worthless through and through. Why do you need affirmative action then? Why is it always blacks needing extra things. Why are they always complaining that they are discrminated against even though there are groups that have come here and succeeded. You are a helpless, stupid people and yes I can generalize. If one black created something other than aids we would of known about it.
I would have gotten my Masters Degree if it wasn't for Affirmative action...what happened to em OPENED MY EYES as to what type of self-hating Jew I was...and what the enemy also is...SCUMBAGS like Dr. Larry Leslie of U/South Floruda who calls all Jews "privileged and advantaged" and also is a convert to islam..he is also a close friend of Sami Al-Arian...that says enough
What you state isn't fact because you're including every black person in your generalization that "all my people do is murder, rape..." are my kids doing that too?
As for affirmative action, I don't need it and have NEVER needed it to get along in life. I'd rather get along in life with my merits than to have someone push me along. But don't get me started on the medical advancements made by black people in America. How much history have you studied on the subject? How do YOU know that not ONE black person has contributed to the betterment of SOMETHING in the U.S.?
And furthermore, I'm not stupid, so give me the respect that I give you and don't include me and my family and friends who don't even know you in your tirade over how many blacks in the world have disgusted you. That's not MY problem.
Bold, mine....
I'm sorry that the person at the college you sought to attend treated you that way. Did they actually say, "We're not accepting you because you're Jewish or is that what you got from the situation? You know you could have taken them to court for discrimination, right?
Anyhow, there are many other schools in America who offer Master's programs. I'm sure any one of them would have let you attend their school.
I need to know something, since when has being called "priviliged and advantaged" been a bad thing? Its a whole lot better than the craziness blacks have been called...stupid, lazy, good-for-nothing, no account, n'gas. Dust yourself off and try again.
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Imerica, you've missed the point he was trying to make, he was saying that they call all Jews privileged and advantaged when they aren't really, in order to try and build hatred of Jews.
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This is pointless, I am no longer contributing to this thread. The actions of Blacks have spoken for themselves over time. If blacks were honorable then they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be enslaved like the native americans who were here before us. I dont have to argue these points anymore, just go into a black neighborhood and people will get their answer.
Yes, I think if people would take a trip into a black neighborhood at 2 AM, they would indeed get an answer!
My wonderful mother was for 30 years a nurse here in Queens at a local hospital, she had to work night shifts when I was old enough to drive I made sure to drop her off in the evening and pick her up in the early morning. Cause these once normal neighborhoods turned to the zoo. And this is generally what it has come down to imagine being a white woman that has to earn a paycheck and works at night jobs such as nursing in the hospitals they have to go into these God awful neighborhoods. They would need public transportation. Ever take a good look at the subways the asylum that is loose down there?
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You guys meet intolerance with intolerance. That means that you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Ummm... so we are supposed to tolerate intolerance? And if we tolerated people being intolerant, we'd become part of the solution? How does that work?
This site isn't about being pro Jew, this site is about being pro-hate.
I hate that you hate our hatred. I hate that.
#1) We are DEFINITELY pro-Jew here... I'm not sure if you missed most of the forum or what...
#2) We ONLY hate?? What? So let me get this right... you aren't supposed to hate evil? Sure... we hate evil... that's a bad thing? We also love, Imerica. Some obvious examples are that we love G-d, Israel, the Jewish people, the righteous gentiles, Rabbi Kahane, Chaim, and the list goes on. So you are telling me that no one ever hates anything and if you hate something that means the whole thing just EQUALS hate? Nonsense.
You are over-generalizing to make your agenda work and then accusing the posters of over-generalizing. Please be reasonable.
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Imerica, I do not hate blacks for the color of their skin, I hate what they have done after so much whites have done for them they have bent over backwards and thensome for blacks, between "Civil" Rights and everything else and how is the payback? Romping and terrorizing every neighborhood they go into. Everything they have touched they have destroyed. And for the few good ones you have millions on the opposite side of the fence. Jews that have marched during the "Civil" Rights movement and have lost their lives for blacks how are they repaid? And where are these so called Black leaders at when Blacks are killing their own, selling drugs to their own, the fathers leave their babies before they are born. And you can't deny this I have lived in NYC all my life and know very well how blacks are. There comes a point where whitey is saying enough is enough. How much more do blacks expect for whites to do for them?
Example: Blacks claimed (now they claimed this) They built America, how come it is almost 2 years and they can not rebuild New Orleans?? How come Newark, Detroit and D.C. look like what you see going on in South Africa? If they hate whites so much why continue to ask for whitey help and they slap whitey as a thank you? Imerica people like myself has had enough of it.
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Imerica, you've missed the point he was trying to make, he was saying that they call all Jews privileged and advantaged when they aren't really, in order to try and build hatred of Jews.
I wasn't aware that Jews are disadvantaged. Not even the majority of Jews. But if my assumption is wrong, I 'm sorry. I haven't noticed many Jews living in poverty in America.
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You guys meet intolerance with intolerance. That means that you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Ummm... so we are supposed to tolerate intolerance? And if we tolerated people being intolerant, we'd become part of the solution? How does that work?
This site isn't about being pro Jew, this site is about being pro-hate.
I hate that you hate our hatred. I hate that.
#1) We are DEFINITELY pro-Jew here... I'm not sure if you missed most of the forum or what...
#2) We ONLY hate?? What? So let me get this right... you aren't supposed to hate evil? Sure... we hate evil... that's a bad thing? We also love, Imerica. Some obvious examples are that we love G-d, Israel, the Jewish people, the righteous gentiles, Rabbi Kahane, Chaim, and the list goes on. So you are telling me that no one ever hates anything and if you hate something that means the whole thing just EQUALS hate? Nonsense.
You are over-generalizing to make your agenda work and then accusing the posters of over-generalizing. Please be reasonable.
What I'm saying is that two wrongs don't make a right.
Some of you, the moment I arrived here, assumed the worst of me because I'm black. I've been called the hebrew word for N'ga. I've been called a crack whore, an affirmative action 'person'. And a lot of things I'm not. If it were true that you don't judge all black people, why judge me the moment some of you met me?
From what I've seen here, and this is from observation, some of you tend to see black culture as this big, dark thing that looms over the country. I'm don't claim the bad things about the culture because it happens everywhere in every race. I DO claim the good in our culture. I actively participate in the best of our culture.
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What I'm saying is that two wrongs don't make a right.
But a right makes a wrong stop.
So how did you connect that intolerance (standing against) of intolerance is wrong? Isn't that what you are doing?
Intolerance: not tolerant (unable or unwilling to endure) of views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own (Concise Oxford English Dictionary)
And if my view and belief is that nazi muslim terrorists shouldn't kill innocent people and I am intolerant of them... then I guess I'm intolerant.
Some of you, the moment I arrived here, assumed the worst of me because I'm black. I've been called the hebrew word for N'ga. I've been called a crack whore, an affirmative action 'person'. And a lot of things I'm not. If it were true that you don't judge all black people, why judge me the moment some of you met me?
From what I've seen here, and this is from observation, some of you tend to see black culture as this big, dark thing that looms over the country. I'm don't claim the bad things about the culture because it happens everywhere in every race. I DO claim the good in our culture. I actively participate in the best of our culture.
Obviously, I have never done this. This is not JTF's position and it's certainly not correct. I think most are talking about the hip-hop, women degrading, proud to have been in jail for violent crimes type mentality that seems prevalent among a lot of the black community. It's unfortunate. And if this wasn't the case, then most people wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Obviously, you are posting here so we aren't lumping you into this category.
Look, Imerica... it seems like you have a good heart. I'm glad that you are posting here and trying to refrain from lashing out by using your head. It's appreciated and I hope you see that our cause is noble and just. We want to make this world a better place to live in but our biggest problem isn't bad people. Our biggest problem is apathy... good people who do nothing.
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Imerica, you've missed the point he was trying to make, he was saying that they call all Jews privileged and advantaged when they aren't really, in order to try and build hatred of Jews.
I wasn't aware that Jews are disadvantaged. Not even the majority of Jews. But if my assumption is wrong, I 'm sorry. I haven't noticed many Jews living in poverty in America.
I don't know the truths of the matter here, I was just trying to explain what he had been trying to say. Not that Jews are treated particularly worse or particularly better, but that certain people say that they are treated better in order to try and build hatred against them.
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I remember a post someone (can't remember their name) posted that basically said that Barack Obama's camp was offended by something someone said about Barack being a decent black man who speaks well (or something to that effect). In the black community, when someone says that about black people who 'speak well' and aren't 'ignorant' like the others, it makes them feel like sorry little puppies. As if someone's patting them on the head. I think that's what you're trying to say. Its almost like a back-handed compliment, right? No one needs to be told (as a grown person) that they're not disenfranchised no more than a grown black man should be praised for doing something that he's supposed to do anyway. lol
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Thanks everyone for the warm welcome! :) I thought I'd actually come in here and have to don a custom-made flame-retardant jumpsuit. lol I'm glad that we can have a conversation on this subject without bashing each other over the head and insulting each other. That's all I want. Even if people disagree with me. I won't die if someone dosen't agree with me. We have different points of view. And that's outstanding to me. :)
It's very appreciated. I wish more people would debate like this. This is good for the forum.
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Again you've missed the point.
Two things you've missed:
One: It's not me trying to say it, I'm just trying to explain what someone else was saying.
Two: The actual point, no, it's not that they are insulting the Jews in the pat on the head manner, that calling Barrack well spoken could be construed to be an example of, they are saying that all Jews are privileged in order to get other people to feel jealous of Jews, and to hate them, "they're doing better than you and it's not fair".
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I'm sorry that the person at the college you sought to attend treated you that way. Did they actually say, "We're not accepting you because you're Jewish or is that what you got from the situation? You know you could have taken them to court for discrimination, right?
Anyhow, there are many other schools in America who offer Master's programs. I'm sure any one of them would have let you attend their school.
I need to know something, since when has being called "priviliged and advantaged" been a bad thing? Its a whole lot better than the craziness blacks have been called...stupid, lazy, good-for-nothing, no account, n'gas. Dust yourself off and try again.
This schvartze-lover DOCTOR LARRY Z. LESLIE told me over the phone (he refused to meet me at his office) told me that I was "provileged and advantaged" and that i would never get into grad school as long as HE was at U/South Florida (he still is...). He also told me that I would not get into any grad school in the state of Florida.
So, using this Muslim convert's logic, a Jew who actually comes from a lower economic background is MORE PRIVILIGED AND ADVANTAGED than a schvartze who comes from a HIGHER tax bracket? Explain that..or btter yet, cointact that Muslim pig Leslie and ask him yourself. Since you be Black he be rappin' wit yo...hell you show up in frint of him, you'd automatically get an A...
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I'm sorry that the person at the college you sought to attend treated you that way. Did they actually say, "We're not accepting you because you're Jewish or is that what you got from the situation? You know you could have taken them to court for discrimination, right?
Anyhow, there are many other schools in America who offer Master's programs. I'm sure any one of them would have let you attend their school.
I need to know something, since when has being called "priviliged and advantaged" been a bad thing? Its a whole lot better than the craziness blacks have been called...stupid, lazy, good-for-nothing, no account, n'gas. Dust yourself off and try again.
This schvartze-lover DOCTOR LARRY Z. LESLIE told me over the phone (he refused to meet me at his office) told me that I was "provileged and advantaged" and that i would never get into grad school as long as HE was at U/South Florida (he still is...). He also told me that I would not get into any grad school in the state of Florida.
So, using this Muslim convert's logic, a Jew who actually comes from a lower economic background is MORE PRIVILIGED AND ADVANTAGED than a schvartze who comes from a HIGHER tax bracket? Explain that..or btter yet, cointact that Muslim pig Leslie and ask him yourself. Since you be Black he be rappin' wit yo...hell you show up in frint of him, you'd automatically get an A...
Imerica what this man is being told is nothing more than reverse discrimination of the worst kind. This is why when a white person is in a hospital bed and a black doctor walks in the room they don't know its never a comfortable situation. Is this black doctor as qualified as a white doctor who had to fight the system just to get into school or is this an affirmative action doctor that was pushed along just to get some color in the schools ranks. If black society doesn't start accepting a merit based system of advancement they will never be accepted by all of society.
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Imerica what this man is being told is nothing more than reverse discrimination of the worst kind. This is why when a white person is in a hospital bed and a black doctor walks in the room they don't know its never a comfortable situation. Is this black doctor as qualified as a white doctor who had to fight the system just to get into school or is this an affirmative action doctor that was pushed along just to get some color in the schools ranks. If black society doesn't start accepting a merit based system of advancement they will never be accepted by all of society.
[/quote]Exactly Right!
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I'm sorry that the person at the college you sought to attend treated you that way. Did they actually say, "We're not accepting you because you're Jewish or is that what you got from the situation? You know you could have taken them to court for discrimination, right?
Anyhow, there are many other schools in America who offer Master's programs. I'm sure any one of them would have let you attend their school.
I need to know something, since when has being called "priviliged and advantaged" been a bad thing? Its a whole lot better than the craziness blacks have been called...stupid, lazy, good-for-nothing, no account, n'gas. Dust yourself off and try again.
This schvartze-lover DOCTOR LARRY Z. LESLIE told me over the phone (he refused to meet me at his office) told me that I was "provileged and advantaged" and that i would never get into grad school as long as HE was at U/South Florida (he still is...). He also told me that I would not get into any grad school in the state of Florida.
So, using this Muslim convert's logic, a Jew who actually comes from a lower economic background is MORE PRIVILIGED AND ADVANTAGED than a schvartze who comes from a HIGHER tax bracket? Explain that..or btter yet, cointact that Muslim pig Leslie and ask him yourself. Since you be Black he be rappin' wit yo...hell you show up in frint of him, you'd automatically get an A...
Look, I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'd pull some crap like that. I'm taking out student loans for school and my education isn't based on Affirmative Action, nor did I get into the school I'm attending because I'm black. I'd never attend a school that would offer me an education JUST BECAUSE I'm black. And you can quit with the "yo" and "You be". You don't have to talk that way to get my attention.
I understand that you're angry with the racist pig that wouldn't allow you to attend the school...that's certainly an issue you must take up with him and the school's President. Back in the 50's young black men and women were forbidden to attend schools with their white counterparts because they were black and were seen as 'dumb [censored]' and because their skin was a different color. They boycotted to get into those schools, to be equal. Why don't you stage a protest against the Powers the Be in that University? Why blame me and other blacks for what some idiot did to you? It would be just like me blaming you for the way some white people feel about blacks in general. Not fair at all.
I feel your pain but don't blame what he did to you on me. I'm looking to EARN my "A" by my own blood, sweat, devotion, dedication and tears, not by showing someone my skin color.
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Imerica what this man is being told is nothing more than reverse discrimination of the worst kind. This is why when a white person is in a hospital bed and a black doctor walks in the room they don't know its never a comfortable situation. Is this black doctor as qualified as a white doctor who had to fight the system just to get into school or is this an affirmative action doctor that was pushed along just to get some color in the schools ranks. If black society doesn't start accepting a merit based system of advancement they will never be accepted by all of society.
Exactly Right!
I think I already addressed that what the man did was discriminitory and unfair. I can't help but to think though that some of you assume that every black person who has made something of themselves professionally is an affirmative action hire. When I'm a teacher, I won't be claming that affirmative action helped me to do anything because I will have earned my degrees based on merit. If you want something you have to work hard to get it. That's my mantra.
What I abhore the most though is the fact that there are some blacks who DO take advantage of the affirmative action system negatively. They count on affirmative action to be there when they fall to the way side. I don't think that's at all ideal. Its a shame that those few people who are bilking the system has you all thinking that ALL blacks are capable of acting that way.