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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MrPatriot1776 on December 09, 2009, 12:32:14 AM
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I've brought this up before, but it is worthy of attention once again... especially with the forum filling up with Ron Paul supporters and Muslims, I thought it would be fair to share my two cents also. Please don't ban me; I am honored to be a part of the JTF and hope to see you prove how much conservatives value free speech and open dialogue.
I joined the JTF desperate to find a political organization to support to help us radically step up the War on Terrorist Groups, in order to win it. To strike out Iran's, even China and N Korea's, nuke facilities. I also wanted to solve illegal immigration and the moral and cultural deterioration America is experiencing. The Constitution Party seemed cool, but their vice was not supporting the WoTG and being anti-semitic conspiracy nuts, for the most part.
So I joined the JTF. But, I found that the JTF's views... didn't exactly match my carefully formulated views...
From a moderate Muslim regarding Turkey:
"Turkey is one of the countries that depend and shows to the world the real islam about not the fake. god bless turkey and all of those that hate the terrorists and the Racists"
From a moderate Muslim regarding the Iraqi Military Tribute:
"woow thanx dude for this video ^_^ [censored] the insurgents "
And I'm supposed to believe the demagogic lie that "you can't be a moderate Muslim"?
If we are a political group, we should judge only based on the politics of people, not their religion - in which case moderate Muslims should be welcome here. And if we are a religious group, we should stop conning Christians (like me and many other users) into joining. Make your choice: Is the JTF a religious or political group?
There are 1.5 billion Muslims. If we view them all as infidels just as the radical Muslims view all of us (any Westerners) as infidels, are we really better than them?
Getting moderate Muslim support, not scapegoating all Muslims, is the key to defeating terrorism. The key to winning the War on Terrorist Groups (which is not a war on a tactic). And until you recognize that, the JTF will remain fringe.
A concession I will make is that ALL immigration to the West should be slowed.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
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This isn't as black and white as you make it, my friend.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
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I've brought this up before, but it is worthy of attention once again... especially with the forum filling up with Ron Paul supporters and Muslims, I thought it would be fair to share my two cents also. Please don't ban me; I am honored to be a part of the JTF and hope to see you prove how much conservatives value free speech and open dialogue.
I joined the JTF desperate to find a political organization to support to help us radically step up the War on Terrorist Groups, in order to win it. To strike out Iran's, even China and N Korea's, nuke facilities. I also wanted to solve illegal immigration and the moral and cultural deterioration America is experiencing. The Constitution Party seemed cool, but their vice was not supporting the WoTG and being anti-semitic conspiracy nuts, for the most part.
So I joined the JTF. But, I found that the JTF's views... didn't exactly match my carefully formulated views...
From a moderate Muslim regarding Turkey:
"Turkey is one of the countries that depend and shows to the world the real islam about not the fake. G-d bless turkey and all of those that hate the terrorists and the Racists"
From a moderate Muslim regarding the Iraqi Military Tribute:
"woow thanx dude for this video ^_^ deleted the insurgents "
And I'm supposed to believe the demagogic lie that "you can't be a moderate Muslim"?
If we are a political group, we should judge only based on the politics of people, not their religion - in which case moderate Muslims should be welcome here. And if we are a religious group, we should stop conning Christians (like me and many other users) into joining. Make your choice: Is the JTF a religious or political group?
There are 1.5 billion Muslims. If we view them all as infidels just as the radical Muslims view all of us (any Westerners) as infidels, are we really better than them?
Getting moderate Muslim support, not scapegoating all Muslims, is the key to defeating terrorism. The key to winning the War on Terrorist Groups (which is not a war on a tactic). And until you recognize that, the JTF will remain fringe.
A concession I will make is that ALL immigration to the West should be slowed.
There's no way to kill only the bad ones. We can't sacrifice ourselves so that "moderate" muslims can live. If there's a way to leave "moderate" ones alone, then fine. But there's no way. It's impossible to know who's who. If 10 muzzies are standing together, and you know one will kill you, but you don't know which, and all u have to do is a press a button and it will kill them all, are you really going to sacrifice your life to save 9 of them?
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I've brought this up before, but it is worthy of attention once again... especially with the forum filling up with Ron Paul supporters and Muslims, I thought it would be fair to share my two cents also. Please don't ban me; I am honored to be a part of the JTF and hope to see you prove how much conservatives value free speech and open dialogue.
I joined the JTF desperate to find a political organization to support to help us radically step up the War on Terrorist Groups, in order to win it. To strike out Iran's, even China and N Korea's, nuke facilities. I also wanted to solve illegal immigration and the moral and cultural deterioration America is experiencing. The Constitution Party seemed cool, but their vice was not supporting the WoTG and being anti-semitic conspiracy nuts, for the most part.
So I joined the JTF. But, I found that the JTF's views... didn't exactly match my carefully formulated views...
From a moderate Muslim regarding Turkey:
"Turkey is one of the countries that depend and shows to the world the real islam about not the fake. G-d bless turkey and all of those that hate the terrorists and the Racists"
From a moderate Muslim regarding the Iraqi Military Tribute:
"woow thanx dude for this video ^_^ deleted the insurgents "
And I'm supposed to believe the demagogic lie that "you can't be a moderate Muslim"?
If we are a political group, we should judge only based on the politics of people, not their religion - in which case moderate Muslims should be welcome here. And if we are a religious group, we should stop conning Christians (like me and many other users) into joining. Make your choice: Is the JTF a religious or political group?
There are 1.5 billion Muslims. If we view them all as infidels just as the radical Muslims view all of us (any Westerners) as infidels, are we really better than them?
Getting moderate Muslim support, not scapegoating all Muslims, is the key to defeating terrorism. The key to winning the War on Terrorist Groups (which is not a war on a tactic). And until you recognize that, the JTF will remain fringe.
A concession I will make is that ALL immigration to the West should be slowed.
There's no way to kill only the bad ones. We can't sacrifice ourselves so that "moderate" muslims can live. If there's a way to leave "moderate" ones alone, then fine. But there's no way. It's impossible to know who's who. If 10 muzzies are standing together, and you know one will kill you, but you don't know which, and all u have to do is a press a button and it will kill them all, are you really going to sacrifice your life to save 9 of them?
Our soldiers are killing insurgents, and doing a pretty good job. If we can't differentiate between radicals and moderates in a certain situation, by all means, kill all of them. But if the radicals stopped using human shields, then we would be able to kill less innocent Muslims.
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Where do you think the mass murdering terrorists get their money and support from? Yeah, from the so called "moderate" muslims. Every terrorist needs a place to stay, food, money, moral support, those lovely "moderate" muslims provide this. Want to see some "moderate" muslims? Type "palestine" and Israel or "palestine" and America into a youtube search, then browse some of the anti-Israel rants in the comments section, browse their youtube page, yeah you'll find your "moderate" muslims, whole social pages dedicated to Jihad, death to Israel and death to America.
Oh and on 9-11 most those "moderate" muslims were thrilled about it, they loved it! Immediately after 9-11, those "moderate" muslims when into propaganda mode for the terrorists. I remember them online saying, "Oh this is terrible..." then the next word "BUT", Oh this is terrible, BUT, you must understand the grievances, blah.. blah.. blah..
GRIEVANCES!!!? This after 3000 of my countrymen had been massacred!!!!! They might as well have been mouthpieces for the terrorists themselves.
No there aren't moderate muslims, if they are moderate it is because for all intents and purposes they aren't muslim, they must be completely assimilated and/or secular, well, those are RARE.
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I've brought this up before, but it is worthy of attention once again... especially with the forum filling up with Ron Paul supporters and Muslims, I thought it would be fair to share my two cents also. Please don't ban me; I am honored to be a part of the JTF and hope to see you prove how much conservatives value free speech and open dialogue.
I joined the JTF desperate to find a political organization to support to help us radically step up the War on Terrorist Groups, in order to win it. To strike out Iran's, even China and N Korea's, nuke facilities. I also wanted to solve illegal immigration and the moral and cultural deterioration America is experiencing. The Constitution Party seemed cool, but their vice was not supporting the WoTG and being anti-semitic conspiracy nuts, for the most part.
So I joined the JTF. But, I found that the JTF's views... didn't exactly match my carefully formulated views...
From a moderate Muslim regarding Turkey:
"Turkey is one of the countries that depend and shows to the world the real islam about not the fake. G-d bless turkey and all of those that hate the terrorists and the Racists"
From a moderate Muslim regarding the Iraqi Military Tribute:
"woow thanx dude for this video ^_^ deleted the insurgents "
And I'm supposed to believe the demagogic lie that "you can't be a moderate Muslim"?
If we are a political group, we should judge only based on the politics of people, not their religion - in which case moderate Muslims should be welcome here. And if we are a religious group, we should stop conning Christians (like me and many other users) into joining. Make your choice: Is the JTF a religious or political group?
There are 1.5 billion Muslims. If we view them all as infidels just as the radical Muslims view all of us (any Westerners) as infidels, are we really better than them?
Getting moderate Muslim support, not scapegoating all Muslims, is the key to defeating terrorism. The key to winning the War on Terrorist Groups (which is not a war on a tactic). And until you recognize that, the JTF will remain fringe.
A concession I will make is that ALL immigration to the West should be slowed.
There's no way to kill only the bad ones. We can't sacrifice ourselves so that "moderate" muslims can live. If there's a way to leave "moderate" ones alone, then fine. But there's no way. It's impossible to know who's who. If 10 muzzies are standing together, and you know one will kill you, but you don't know which, and all u have to do is a press a button and it will kill them all, are you really going to sacrifice your life to save 9 of them?
Our soldiers are killing insurgents, and doing a pretty good job. If we can't differentiate between radicals and moderates in a certain situation, by all means, kill all of them. But if the radicals stopped using human shields, then we would be able to kill less innocent Muslims.
They won't stop using human shields or surrounding themselves by "innocent" ones. They take advantage of their own people and their enemy's morals.
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"If we are a political group, we should judge only based on the politics of people, not their religion - in which case moderate Muslims should be welcome here. And if we are a religious group, we should stop conning Christians (like me and many other users) into joining. Make your choice: Is the JTF a religious or political group?"
Why does there have to be a choice ?
Why can't JTF be an organization dedicated to saving Western civilization from Islamic totalitarianism and imperialism, comprised of mainly religious people but also welcoming secular people who share the same political beliefs ?
Where do you come off making demands that JTF choose one or the other ?
No one conned you into joining the forum. And why would you feel that because you're Christian, that you've been conned ?
Also, there's something very disingenuous about you demanding that JTF either be a religious or political group. I notice you don't make that demand when it comes to Islam, which is quite obviously more than just a 'religion', but also dominates the politics of virtually every Islamic nation.
Quite a double standard you have there.
If you feel you've been conned into joining this forum, or if you're uncomfortable with the religious aspects of it -- there's a very easy solution.
"There are 1.5 billion Muslims. If we view them all as infidels just as the radical Muslims view all of us (any Westerners) as infidels, are we really better than them?"
Yes, we really are better than them. You see ? I said it. It's not that hard. Hopefully, one day the light will go on for you and you'll put aside your cultural relativism and moral equivalency and realize that YES, WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM.
You claim that the 'war on terror' isn't a war on tactics. Well, it sure is. Terror is a tactic employed by Muslims throughout the world to further Islamic hegemony and imperialism. It just so happens that the tactic of terror is Koranically inspired, and that's why virtually every act of terror is carried out by Muslims. That's why the 'war on terror' will never be won - because we aren't addressing the root cause of terror, which is Islam (as much as you would like to deny this painful reality).
I've got a suggestion for people like you. If you're so convinced that the key to defeating terrorism is getting the support of moderate Muslims, go find some and have them help you fight terror. Good luck with that.
By the way, since you seem interested in dialogue, what percentage of Muslims do you believe are 'moderates' ? Just curious.
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There is no moderate Islam and there are no moderate Muslims.
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Any "moderate" Muslim, isn't religious and therefore is just genetically Muslim.
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*sniff sniff*
I am getting suspicious here. If he is using the Koran to try to defend Islam, I am very suspicious of him.
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Moderate muslim = secular muslim = not a muslim in the eyes of a true muslim.
So, as far as I'm concerned, yeah I'll support moderate muslims because they aren't really muslims. But how many out of the 1.5 billion actually fit this description? And by the way, the moderate muslim who does not outwardly and devoutly practice islam and considers himself secular but who supports the annihilation of Israel and the takeover of Europe and America is NOT a moderate muslim.
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I like moderate Kaffirs.. I like extreme kaffirs too..
Well, I Like my muslims well done.. that way they cannot go blow up any more Jewish synagogues or American business buildings. Of course the moderate muslims are always there to apologize for the extremists, who they seem to work hand-in-hand with. Had it not been for moderate muslims, we would have had no exterem muslims. Thanx to thsoe so-called moderate muslims, many innocent people have to die and we have to treat teh Muslim community with respect. MUslims have only one desire, TO WIPE ALL US KAFFIR , APES AND PIGS , FROM THE EARTH!
SHalom Mr Patriot.. Look I know many naive Americans like you who think Islam is a peaceful religion. Yet, one other thing I knwo is you never read about the final battle in the Quran where muslims will make deadly jihad against all non-muslims and wipe them off the earth. IN this final book, Allah is no longer merciful, as he had been previously. Muslim mercy is hardly mercy at all, but in the final battle there isn't any mercy , whatsoever.. On that day a Jew will hide behind the rock and the rock will say, "OH Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, slay him!" Yes, this is the religion of love and peace. Love = Love to Kill Infidels. Peace = Let Infidels Rest in Peace Or "pieces".
After what happened in Fort Hood, its ashame that you think of Muslims still as your friend. Nadil Malik Hassan was a good example of a so-called "moderate muslim".
I am a right-wing American Zionist Conservo-Libertarian Jew.. I know what it means to be a patriot. That means we support our forefathers and support the Chritiand and Jewish people. Muslims come to destroy you and your culture and your heritage. Why do you sit there and allow it like a blind man? Open your eyes, ther eis no such thing as moderate muslim. THere is such thing as an ignorant muslim and that is what moderate muslims are.. But many moderates support, indirectly, the jihad of their brothers.. They want islamization to occur. THere is a reasoon why most islamic countries are ruled by maniacs and not moderates.
The Turks are blood suckres and have done everything in their power to oppress and harm the Jewish state. Don't go defending TUrks here.
Are you really an American Patriot? Just want to make sure, you are not the spammer who Dr. Brennan Fan accused me of being.. LOLOL..
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Islam is Muhamadism, a violent, subversive, expansionist political, legal and spiritual ideology. No one who calls himself muslim is a friend of mine. If he is welcome in mecca, we don't want him here.
What a great example in Turkey you bring. What a loyal and reliable ally it is.... NOT. Even most of the secular turks are savages in western suits. Just ask them something more specific like say... the Armenian genocide, the invasion of Cyprus, "Palestine", and see what answer they give you.
Also I want you to give an example of one moderate muslim party, one moderate muslim leader, can you name just one example and show it to be true ?
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
Muslim don't believe any of this nonesense cause it's not relavent.
There are two main versions of the Qur'an - Suraht il-Madinah and Suraht il-Mahckia. Suraht il-Mackia is the more "peaceful one" --- that was written down by Muhammad's slave when he was in Mecca, and wanted support from the Jews and the local Arab Pagans, that's why he wanted to copy Judaism so much and he took various ideas from Judaism (Monotheism - "All-aht" is the name of the Babylonian Mythological idol "of moon", just like the Greeks had Zeus and the Romans had Jupiter, and he had many "children" in the Babylonian Pantheon, so he summarized it up by choosing "Allah" [an Arabized version of "All-aht"] and "his daughters" "il-Uzzah" and "Il-Mannaht", and he saw the Jews didn't like it either, so he changed it to Monotheism).
The Jews didn't like him and didn't accept his false religion - and so did most of the local Arabs. He wanted money, power, booty, etc and they didn't want to give it to him. That's why he went to Il-Yathrahb (il-Madinah) and when he got enough power, he wrote the more violent version of the Qur'an --- Suraht il-Madinah.
Now there's a major basic "rule" in the Qur'an. It's called "Wa'Nasach Wa'Il-Mansuch" - "the invalid and the irralevnt". When the verses are changed and edited, the ones they are placing are irrelavant according to the "Muslim law".
That means that the verses you posted, yes, the same il-Taqqiyah verses the Saudi government makes all of its efforts to spread it in non-Muslim countries, are irrelavant for the Muslims.
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"Moderate muslim = secular muslim = not a muslim in the eyes of a true muslim."
HiWarp (interesting handle there) hit the most salient point thus far in response. Allow me to add another: The original poster thinks that he/she has hit on something new? Since oil was discovered in the middle east, every U.S. President has counted on doing business with 'moderate Muslims'. Consequently, the West has endured the chronic headaches that inherently come from dealing with even marginal followers of a faith spawned by Satan himself.
Heck, arguably Reagan's biggest foul-up in his eight years was the Iran-Contra controversy. It didn't bother me that he tried to funnel money to the Contras against the wishes to the libs in Congress. It bothered me immensely that he aided supposedly 'moderate' fanatics in Iran to get that done.
So, in lieu of the same old/ same old with moderate Muslims, our current president is taking a brilliant new tack: Taking the side of fanatical Muslims.
Swallow hard, Israel and the West.
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
That Muslim would be slaughtered and considered "Ibn Warraq".
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I am just stickin to my name.. Death to Islam!!
Here is the face of Moderate Islam.. I think the pic of these two fags speaks for itself...
(http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/arafat_w_saddam.jpg)
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"Moderate" Muslims only want to kill you once. Radical Muslims want to kill you over and over.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/
khallid_muhammads_speech_kill_the_white_man/
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There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
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There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
That's actually a brilliant way to look at it.
Extremist muslim = muslim who blows himself up and takes as many infidels as he can with him
Moderate muslim = muslim who finances and supports extremist muslims
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There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
That's actually a brilliant way to look at it.
Extremist muslim = muslim who blows himself up and takes as many infidels as he can with him
Moderate muslim = muslim who finances and supports extremist muslims
Not neccesarily HiWrap.
Arafat is what Patriot1776's reffering to --- a non-religious Muslim. He really wasn't a religious Muslim just like Nasser and Assad (son and father). Though, the "P"LO had murdered the biggest amount of Jews after Hitler and Stalin. Hamas didn't even reach 1/8 of it. Hamas was the "moderate" organization in the first "Intifada", and "P"LO was the "extremist" one.
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There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
That's actually a brilliant way to look at it.
Extremist muslim = muslim who blows himself up and takes as many infidels as he can with him
Moderate muslim = muslim who finances and supports extremist muslims
Like the opposite of Yissachar and Zevulun. Zevulun works so Yisachar can learn Torah, lehavdil, the "moderate" ones work so the extremists can kill non-Muslims.
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Well, you support them, go to NYC and support them. Go to EU and support them, go to Africa and support them. I am SICK of them. They can go to the devil for all I care, and take their stupid 'religion' of DEATH with them.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
Muslim don't believe any of this nonesense cause it's not relavent.
There are two main versions of the Qur'an - Suraht il-Madinah and Suraht il-Mahckia. Suraht il-Mackia is the more "peaceful one" --- that was written down by Muhammad's slave when he was in Mecca, and wanted support from the Jews and the local Arab Pagans, that's why he wanted to copy Judaism so much and he took various ideas from Judaism (Monotheism - "All-aht" is the name of the Babylonian Mythological idol "of moon", just like the Greeks had Zeus and the Romans had Jupiter, and he had many "children" in the Babylonian Pantheon, so he summarized it up by choosing "Allah" [an Arabized version of "All-aht"] and "his daughters" "il-Uzzah" and "Il-Mannaht", and he saw the Jews didn't like it either, so he changed it to Monotheism).
The Jews didn't like him and didn't accept his false religion - and so did most of the local Arabs. He wanted money, power, booty, etc and they didn't want to give it to him. That's why he went to Il-Yathrahb (il-Madinah) and when he got enough power, he wrote the more violent version of the Qur'an --- Suraht il-Madinah.
Now there's a major basic "rule" in the Qur'an. It's called "Wa'Nasach Wa'Il-Mansuch" - "the invalid and the irralevnt". When the verses are changed and edited, the ones they are placing are irrelavant according to the "Muslim law".
That means that the verses you posted, yes, the same il-Taqqiyah verses the Saudi government makes all of its efforts to spread it in non-Muslim countries, are irrelavant for the Muslims.
RBM is absolutely correct about this. There are some 'moderate' verses (i.e. 'no compulsion in religion') in Mohamhead's earlier ramblings.
However, any Islamic scholar would agree thay are abrogated by the post-Mecca revisions and contradictions found in the Aholy Koran.
One of the most common forms of Moozie taqqiya is to cite these mellow passages in the Aholy Koran as proof that Islam is a 'religion of peace', knowing full well that they are abrogated by the later, post-Mecca text.
One other addendum I'd like to add to this thread:
Anyone using the moniker 'Mr Patriot 1776' invokes the memory and spirit of the founding fathers of America.
Someone using a screen name like that should be aware of how Jefferson, Franklin and Adams dealt with Islamic terrorists.
It's a little known fact that America's first war (after the Revolutionary War) was with Islamic terrorists known as the Barbary Coast Pirates.
In fact, the U.S. Navy was built up expressly to combat these Islamic terrorists who for centuries preyed on European shipping in the Mediterranean, pillaging cargo, taking crews as hostages, torturing them, and demanding ransom.
Unlike the Europeans, Jefferson decided he wasn't going to tolerate this Islamic terror and blackmail. No, he didn't look for 'moderate' Muslims for support or try to appease these Islamic terrorists. He sent the Navy to the 'shores of Tripoli' and kicked some Moozie tail.
Over 200 years later, we're still combating Islamic jihadists, except now we've got a Moozie President and a population of brainwashed fools looking for the mythical moderate Moozie.
Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
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exactly to why there is no such thing as a moderate muslim
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
That Muslim would be slaughtered and considered "Ibn Warraq".
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exactly to why there is no such thing as a moderate muslim
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
That Muslim would be slaughtered and considered "Ibn Warraq".
or a fart that doesn't smell.
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"Moderate" Muslims only want to kill you once. Radical Muslims want to kill you over and over.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/
khallid_muhammads_speech_kill_the_white_man/
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There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
בס"ד
There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
That's actually a brilliant way to look at it.
Extremist muslim = muslim who blows himself up and takes as many infidels as he can with him
Moderate muslim = muslim who finances and supports extremist muslims
A good muslim, is a dead muslim!
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A good muslim, is a dead muslim!
Maybe. Even the dead ones take up space.
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"Moderate" Muslims only want to kill you once. Radical Muslims want to kill you over and over.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/
khallid_muhammads_speech_kill_the_white_man/
בס"ד
There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
בס"ד
There are no "moderate" and "extermist" Muslims, there are only dumb and smart Muslims. The "moderate" (smart) Muslims have murdered way more many Jews than the "extremist" Muslims did.
That's actually a brilliant way to look at it.
Extremist muslim = muslim who blows himself up and takes as many infidels as he can with him
Moderate muslim = muslim who finances and supports extremist muslims
A good muslim, is a dead muslim!
:clap:
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those exist
exactly to why there is no such thing as a moderate muslim
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
That Muslim would be slaughtered and considered "Ibn Warraq".
or a fart that doesn't smell.
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those exist
exactly to why there is no such thing as a moderate muslim
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
That Muslim would be slaughtered and considered "Ibn Warraq".
or a fart that doesn't smell.
Incorrect. :teach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulence
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I've brought this up before, but it is worthy of attention once again... especially with the forum filling up with Ron Paul supporters and Muslims, I thought it would be fair to share my two cents also. Please don't ban me; I am honored to be a part of the JTF and hope to see you prove how much conservatives value free speech and open dialogue.
I joined the JTF desperate to find a political organization to support to help us radically step up the War on Terrorist Groups, in order to win it. To strike out Iran's, even China and N Korea's, nuke facilities. I also wanted to solve illegal immigration and the moral and cultural deterioration America is experiencing. The Constitution Party seemed cool, but their vice was not supporting the WoTG and being anti-semitic conspiracy nuts, for the most part.
So I joined the JTF. But, I found that the JTF's views... didn't exactly match my carefully formulated views...
From a moderate Muslim regarding Turkey:
"Turkey is one of the countries that depend and shows to the world the real islam about not the fake. G-d bless turkey and all of those that hate the terrorists and the Racists"
From a moderate Muslim regarding the Iraqi Military Tribute:
"woow thanx dude for this video ^_^ deleted the insurgents "
And I'm supposed to believe the demagogic lie that "you can't be a moderate Muslim"?
The sad fact is that those so-called "Moderates" you quoted here talking about what the "real" Islam is, are objectively wrong in thinking that is the real Islam. Le'havdil, it is like Deform Judaism claiming to be the real Judaism. It simply isn't.
These people who hate terrorism and hate "radical" Islam, in reality they hate REAL Islam. It is great if they start a reform movement to destroy/undermine actual Islam and make it peaceful, but I haven't seen that kind of boldness yet. But comments like that are at least good. It is good they make those comments, and a person like that is righteous because he sees the evil inherent in Islam. But when he claims that "real" Islam is Islam minus all the Jew-hatred, terrorism, and jihad, he is simply delusional. It is called wishful thinking. That is only "real" Islam in his own mind, but not according to the Islamic sources, the Islamic authorities, Islamic scholars, and the Islamic imams. So on the one hand, a person who hates Islamic terror and calls himself a Muslim (or moderate Muslim), I would never want to harm such a person. At the same time, he is inaccurate in calling himself a Muslim, and any understanding of Muslim lawcode can easily determine that he is not actually following Islam, despite calling himself Muslim and thinking that whatever he likes in his own mind can be termed 'real' Islam. A person can't just draw up a set of personal opinions and then say that "true religion" is what he likes and false religion or distorted religion is anything he dislikes. There is an objective reality of what true Islam is and stands for. Just as there is for other religions. Reformers should at least be honest about their intention to reform and change the religion into something else.
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I think what you mean by moderate Muslims is Muslims that aren't religious.
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I"m sorry, I've had loud ones that didn't smell...at least to me or others around me...
those exist
exactly to why there is no such thing as a moderate muslim
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If a muslim believes in everything jtf and kahanism believes in then I wouldn't mind that muslim. I'm sure he would eat a ham sandwich on a regular basis.
Americanpatriot, come on. Please WTF?! Wake up and smell the coffee. Turkey supports gaza. That's not moderate. If you can't see that then you need to be debrainwashed
That Muslim would be slaughtered and considered "Ibn Warraq".
or a fart that doesn't smell.
Incorrect. :teach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulence
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Mr Patriot, islam has infected every muslim alive.
The so called moderate muslims are liars and for a good reason, they believe that everyone should convert to islam, so of course they will lie and claim they do not agree with everything the other muslims do.
There is only one koran, and every muslim alive worships mohamed.....mohamed was the mass murderer/pedophile who created the evil koran, so anyone that reads this trash ( koran )
is subjected to being fooled and or being brainwashed.
What I cannot understand is why some people ( you for example ) delude themselves into believing that some muslims are peaceful when the evidence ( islam and it's actions ) is right before your eyes.
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By the way, since you seem interested in dialogue, what percentage of Muslims do you believe are 'moderates' ? Just curious.
I can't say... but where I live, in California, 99% of them love America, pay taxes, and even drink beer.
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Islam is Muhamadism, a violent, subversive, expansionist political, legal and spiritual ideology. No one who calls himself muslim is a friend of mine. If he is welcome in mecca, we don't want him here.
What a great example in Turkey you bring. What a loyal and reliable ally it is.... NOT. Even most of the secular turks are savages in western suits. Just ask them something more specific like say... the Armenian genocide, the invasion of Cyprus, "Palestine", and see what answer they give you.
Also I want you to give an example of one moderate muslim party, one moderate muslim leader, can you name just one example and show it to be true ?
Possibly Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the Afghan Northern Alliance. Here is his 1998 address to the American people. It seems pretty moderate to me.
http://www.afghan-web.com/documents/let-masood.html
BTW, the Northern Alliance has never fired a single bullet at the Coalition. That is the Taliban that does that.
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99 percent of all the muslims here in the US would love to see the United States become islamic and live under sharia law.
Muslims love islam and nothing else.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
Muslim don't believe any of this nonesense cause it's not relavent.
There are two main versions of the Qur'an - Suraht il-Madinah and Suraht il-Mahckia. Suraht il-Mackia is the more "peaceful one" --- that was written down by Muhammad's slave when he was in Mecca, and wanted support from the Jews and the local Arab Pagans, that's why he wanted to copy Judaism so much and he took various ideas from Judaism (Monotheism - "All-aht" is the name of the Babylonian Mythological idol "of moon", just like the Greeks had Zeus and the Romans had Jupiter, and he had many "children" in the Babylonian Pantheon, so he summarized it up by choosing "Allah" [an Arabized version of "All-aht"] and "his daughters" "il-Uzzah" and "Il-Mannaht", and he saw the Jews didn't like it either, so he changed it to Monotheism).
The Jews didn't like him and didn't accept his false religion - and so did most of the local Arabs. He wanted money, power, booty, etc and they didn't want to give it to him. That's why he went to Il-Yathrahb (il-Madinah) and when he got enough power, he wrote the more violent version of the Qur'an --- Suraht il-Madinah.
Now there's a major basic "rule" in the Qur'an. It's called "Wa'Nasach Wa'Il-Mansuch" - "the invalid and the irralevnt". When the verses are changed and edited, the ones they are placing are irrelavant according to the "Muslim law".
That means that the verses you posted, yes, the same il-Taqqiyah verses the Saudi government makes all of its efforts to spread it in non-Muslim countries, are irrelavant for the Muslims.
RBM is absolutely correct about this. There are some 'moderate' verses (i.e. 'no compulsion in religion') in Mohamhead's earlier ramblings.
However, any Islamic scholar would agree thay are abrogated by the post-Mecca revisions and contradictions found in the Aholy Koran.
One of the most common forms of Moozie taqqiya is to cite these mellow passages in the Aholy Koran as proof that Islam is a 'religion of peace', knowing full well that they are abrogated by the later, post-Mecca text.
One other addendum I'd like to add to this thread:
Anyone using the moniker 'Mr Patriot 1776' invokes the memory and spirit of the founding fathers of America.
Someone using a screen name like that should be aware of how Jefferson, Franklin and Adams dealt with Islamic terrorists.
It's a little known fact that America's first war (after the Revolutionary War) was with Islamic terrorists known as the Barbary Coast Pirates.
In fact, the U.S. Navy was built up expressly to combat these Islamic terrorists who for centuries preyed on European shipping in the Mediterranean, pillaging cargo, taking crews as hostages, torturing them, and demanding ransom.
Unlike the Europeans, Jefferson decided he wasn't going to tolerate this Islamic terror and blackmail. No, he didn't look for 'moderate' Muslims for support or try to appease these Islamic terrorists. He sent the Navy to the 'shores of Tripoli' and kicked some Moozie tail.
Over 200 years later, we're still combating Islamic jihadists, except now we've got a Moozie President and a population of brainwashed fools looking for the mythical moderate Moozie.
Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
I'll consider that
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I think what you mean by moderate Muslims is Muslims that aren't religious.
Yes. I mean secular and pro-West and pro-Israel Muslims.
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Islam is Muhamadism, a violent, subversive, expansionist political, legal and spiritual ideology. No one who calls himself muslim is a friend of mine. If he is welcome in mecca, we don't want him here.
What a great example in Turkey you bring. What a loyal and reliable ally it is.... NOT. Even most of the secular turks are savages in western suits. Just ask them something more specific like say... the Armenian genocide, the invasion of Cyprus, "Palestine", and see what answer they give you.
Also I want you to give an example of one moderate muslim party, one moderate muslim leader, can you name just one example and show it to be true ?
Possibly Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the Afghan Northern Alliance. Here is his 1998 address to the American people. It seems pretty moderate to me.
http://www.afghan-web.com/documents/let-masood.html
BTW, the Northern Alliance has never fired a single bullet at the Coalition. That is the Taliban that does that.
You know why Ahmad Shah Massoud was a "good" muslim (sort of), because he was too busy fighting other muslims. The northern alliance, to which he belonged and which is now in power thanks to American and allied soldiers fighting for them, are ungrateful corrupt incompetent regime. And how do they return a favor ? by exporting heroine and constantly trying to limit the effectiveness of the American forces at the cost of American casualties.
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I think what you mean by moderate Muslims is Muslims that aren't religious.
Yes. I mean secular and pro-West and pro-Israel Muslims.
Then you're not making sense. If they are pro-West and pro-Israel, they are only Muslims in name, but not in reality. If they are secular, obviously true Islam is not secular. So they are not really Muslim and not really following Islam if they are secular. Even if they call themselves that. That's like a guy who says he's a "non practicing _____" If you're non practicing, you're not really _____. (whatever it is).
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I can't say... but where I live, in California, 99% of them love America, pay taxes, and even drink beer.
Muslims are absolutely not allowed to touch alcohol. These aren't Muslims, they were just raised in Muslim families, and they know that the Koran is just a bunch of bull.
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By the way, since you seem interested in dialogue, what percentage of Muslims do you believe are 'moderates' ? Just curious.
I can't say... but where I live, in California, 99% of them love America, pay taxes, and even drink beer.
Thanks for responding.
I thought you might have abandoned the thread.
So you're of the opinion that 99% of Muslims residing in California love America, pay taxes and drink beer. I don't know how you came to this conclusion (I guess you mean the Muslims that you know), and I suppose that would make them 'moderate' by your standards.
OK, I'll accept that for the sake of dialogue (even though I don't believe it's accurate).
I'm pretty certain you don't believe 99% of Muslims around the world feel the same way about America (never mind Israel) or drink beer.
I too know some Muslims that profess to love America, they probably pay their taxes, and they've been known to have an alcoholic beverage. They don't even seem to hate Jews.
They're what I consider the 'cream of the crap'. And that's because by these narrow standards, they indeed could be considered 'moderate' -- but every single one of them was anti-Israel, and harbored some resentment against America for supposedly being supportive of Israel. (I even had one of these beer drinking moderates with a blonde girlfriend tell me he thought Khomeini was better than the Shah.)
But that's a tangential observation I've personally made and not really the crux of the matter.
No, the real issue is what percentage of Muslims worldwide could honestly be considered 'moderate' and what percentage could honestly be considered 'radical'.
I answer this question in a typical Jewish fashion, by asking another question.
And that question would be: If an election was held worldwide amongst Muslims today, asking them to choose a supreme leader of the Muslim world, which individual would be most likely to win ?
I think Osama Bin Laden would win hands down.
Now of course that's just my subjective opinion and I could never prove it, but I guarantee you, at the very least, Osama would be a very strong candidate.
That should give us a clue as to what percentage of Muslims worldwide could be considered 'moderate' even by the narrowest definition.
Of course, you're entitled to disagree with this (and I'm pretty sure you will), but I submit that in reality we've twisted and distorted the definition of moderate Muslim versus radical Muslim to meet our Western non-Mohammedan standards.
If by 'moderate' we mean mainstream or typical, then I make the case that Osama is a moderate and that Muslims that don't believe in employing jihad to achieve the goal of a totalitarian Islamic Caliphate are the 'radicals'.
I won't make the mistake of being arrogant enough to think I understand Islam better than Osama or the millions of Muslims that adore him.
That being said, I encourage you to continue to look for 'moderate' Muslims to assist you in the 'war on terror'. Good luck.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
This is VERY VERY disturbing. I am not going to debate you, as your words speak for themselves. You need to leave this forum, and you are NOT WELCOME.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
:::D You simply have to be kidding!! Brian is absolutely correct you should leave JTF Forum.
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I honestly do not understand how Mr. Patriot can join the forum and then claim that most muslims are peaceful and love America. It is contradictory to our knowing the absolute truth about islam - the CULT of DEATH and DESTRUCTION.
Shalom - Dox
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Mr.Patriot is a farce,
he plays this little game of good muslim vs. bad muslim... Let's give this maggot just enough rope to hang himself!
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
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Please pick up the Quran and see for yourself.
I have read all the Jihadi verses, but things other, pacifist verses negate those.
True Muslims only believe in war as self-defense. The early conquest-driven Muslims? Those guys were radical, my friend.
Notice, one verse says "fight them as they fight you."
See Verse 5:32
This is VERY VERY disturbing. I am not going to debate you, as your words speak for themselves. You need to leave this forum, and you are NOT WELCOME.
Look how nice these conservatives are!
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Mr.Patriot is a farce,
he plays this little game of good muslim vs. bad muslim... Let's give this maggot just enough rope to hang himself!
"There is no such thing as a moderate Jew. Some Jews hate Mr. Patriot, therefore all of them do." I'm just taking your line of reasoning you apply to the Muslims and applying it to you.
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Mr. Patriot, what did you mean on youtube when you wrote that you are against "radical Judaism?"
I don't understand why you have videos promoting the Lebanese, Turkish, and Afghani militaries. We are fighting a war against Islam.
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Mr. Patriot, what did you mean on youtube when you wrote that you are against "radical Judaism?"
I don't understand why you have videos promoting the Lebanese, Turkish, and Afghani militaries. We are fighting a war against Islam.
*cough*troll alert*cough*
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Here's something else I don't understand. Look at this channel and look at the most recent comment.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf (http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf)
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Here's something else I don't understand. Look at this channel and look at the most recent comment.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf (http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf)
I subscribe anyone who subscribes back. I will NOT follow double standards against others just because of their views. Aren't double standards a liberal thing?
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Moshe: join me in the chat, will you? Your concerns will be answered.
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Dr. Brennan FAN.. YOu know you should be careful about being so quick on the troll trigger their partner. ;D
But with this fellow, I actually do agree, this post sounds trollish 100%.
He has said he is against radical Judaism but supports moderate muslims.. Well, I think his bogus statements kind of speak for themselves.
Mr. Patriot, what did you mean on youtube when you wrote that you are against "radical Judaism?"
I don't understand why you have videos promoting the Lebanese, Turkish, and Afghani militaries. We are fighting a war against Islam.
*cough*troll alert*cough*
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
He is a troll and he doesnt have the capacity to learn. He needs to leave.
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Dude, you should realize one thing, you don't give Americans a good name especially not if you're a patriot (or a Fascist American doing whatever mistakes your ex-president Bush has done no matte if it's right or wrong ???).
This clown has a real contempt to the Musilms --- why would they want a "Kuffar" regime? The "holiest" thing for them is respect, not money.
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Here's something else I don't understand. Look at this channel and look at the most recent comment.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf (http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf)
The guy took a pretty good rockabilliy song and turned it into a nazi video.
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I think Mr_(Afghani ?)_Patriot is trolling. I don't see any effort on his account to even try to back his claims with facts and examples, I mean real ones and not the like of "90% of the muslims I know know love America... ".
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it gives me the Willies to read The moderate muslims
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Here's something else I don't understand. Look at this channel and look at the most recent comment.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf (http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf)
I subscribe anyone who subscribes back. I will NOT follow double standards against others just because of their views. Aren't double standards a liberal thing?
WOW.
Come on buddy... You are such a joker! You would subscribe to a neonazi's site just because he subscribed to yours? This is called "stupidity" and "dishonesty" and it transcends all political divides. You happen to fall in its clutches. I see that you have no answer to any of my statements in this thread, so I assume you must be unwilling to accept logic. Now I see that really you were a troll. I cannot believe you "saluted" that youtube channel! What are you doing on JTF? Take a hike, scum.
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" EponymousWolf (15 hours ago) The Holocaust should NOT be denied!
It should be justicified as the mighty crusade against parasitic infilitration of a bacterial life form, which it was! "
" MrPatriot1776 (13 hours ago) Salute for subscribing! Subscribed back to you "
Mr. "Patriot" there is something wrong with your head.
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" EponymousWolf (15 hours ago) The Holocaust should NOT be denied!
It should be justicified as the mighty crusade against parasitic infilitration of a bacterial life form, which it was! "
" MrPatriot1776 (13 hours ago) Salute for subscribing! Subscribed back to you "
Mr. "Patriot" there is something wrong with your head.
His name is Ralph.
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Here's something else I don't understand. Look at this channel and look at the most recent comment.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf (http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf)
I subscribe anyone who subscribes back. I will NOT follow double standards against others just because of their views. Aren't double standards a liberal thing?
WOW.
Come on buddy... You are such a joker! You would subscribe to a neonazi's site just because he subscribed to yours? This is called "stupidity" and "dishonesty" and it transcends all political divides. You happen to fall in its clutches. I see that you have no answer to any of my statements in this thread, so I assume you must be unwilling to accept logic. Now I see that really you were a troll. I cannot believe you "saluted" that youtube channel! What are you doing on JTF? Take a hike, scum.
Stop "purging" what you seem to consider your political group of people you see unfit. I don't see the JTF leaving the "fringe" category anytime soon with morons like you.
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
He is a troll and he doesnt have the capacity to learn. He needs to leave.
Coming from a guy who calls Obama a socialist... this is typical. It's always the people that disagree with you that must be wrong.
I came to the JTF in part to broaden its views, but I'm met with the stubbornness of 3-year-olds with behavioral problems.
I recommend Mr. "Obama is a Socialist" go out and meet more people. Open your eyes.
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
He is a troll and he doesnt have the capacity to learn. He needs to leave.
Coming from a guy who calls Obama a socialist... this is typical. It's always the people that disagree with you that must be wrong.
I came to the JTF in part to broaden its views, but I'm met with the stubbornness of 3-year-olds with behavioral problems.
I recommend Mr. "Obama is a Socialist" go out and meet more people. Open your eyes.
Is it your contention that Obama is not a statist who wishes to implement Marxist policies in the US?
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
He is a troll and he doesnt have the capacity to learn. He needs to leave.
Coming from a guy who calls Obama a socialist... this is typical. It's always the people that disagree with you that must be wrong.
I came to the JTF in part to broaden its views, but I'm met with the stubbornness of 3-year-olds with behavioral problems.
I recommend Mr. "Obama is a Socialist" go out and meet more people. Open your eyes.
Is it your contention that Obama is not a statist who wishes to implement Marxist policies in the US?
He's mildly statist and mildly Marxist. I've seen worse in Cuba.
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
He is a troll and he doesnt have the capacity to learn. He needs to leave.
Coming from a guy who calls Obama a socialist... this is typical. It's always the people that disagree with you that must be wrong.
I came to the JTF in part to broaden its views, but I'm met with the stubbornness of 3-year-olds with behavioral problems.
I recommend Mr. "Obama is a Socialist" go out and meet more people. Open your eyes.
So you admit you are a troll? You will not 'broaden JTFs views' about Islam. We are witnesses to Islams barbarity and there is no way you will change our views. We have agreed that there are individual muslims who don't observe their inborn nature to act according to Islams laws of death and destruction, and that these 'righteous gentile' muslims may convert to Judaism or even Christianity {which is less inclined to blow themselves and others up}.
I didn't think you were a troll till you posted this posting but it seems you have an agenda. Instead of learning what JTF stands for you come here to 'change' it.... Very nice Troll..
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Stop "purging" what you seem to consider your political group of people you see unfit. I don't see the JTF leaving the "fringe" category anytime soon with morons like you.
Like a proud member of Pedophront like yourself, Ralph, isn't "fringe". LOL. ::)
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I don't think you guys should insult Mr. Patriot. I hope he'll eventually realize the truth about Islam.
He is a troll and he doesnt have the capacity to learn. He needs to leave.
Coming from a guy who calls Obama a socialist... this is typical. It's always the people that disagree with you that must be wrong.
I came to the JTF in part to broaden its views, but I'm met with the stubbornness of 3-year-olds with behavioral problems.
I recommend Mr. "Obama is a Socialist" go out and meet more people. Open your eyes.
Is it your contention that Obama is not a statist who wishes to implement Marxist policies in the US?
He's mildly statist and mildly Marxist. I've seen worse in Cuba.
Oh, okay then. So the new benchmark for comparing the policies of the president of the United States is Fidel Castro. Sorry, didn't realize that.
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Stop "purging" what you seem to consider your political group of people you see unfit. I don't see the JTF leaving the "fringe" category anytime soon with morons like you.
Like a proud member of Pedophront like yourself, Ralph, isn't "fringe". LOL. ::)
I am not Ralph haha.
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Here's something else I don't understand. Look at this channel and look at the most recent comment.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf (http://www.youtube.com/user/EponymousWolf)
I subscribe anyone who subscribes back. I will NOT follow double standards against others just because of their views. Aren't double standards a liberal thing?
WOW.
Come on buddy... You are such a joker! You would subscribe to a neonazi's site just because he subscribed to yours? This is called "stupidity" and "dishonesty" and it transcends all political divides. You happen to fall in its clutches. I see that you have no answer to any of my statements in this thread, so I assume you must be unwilling to accept logic. Now I see that really you were a troll. I cannot believe you "saluted" that youtube channel! What are you doing on JTF? Take a hike, scum.
Stop "purging" what you seem to consider your political group of people you see unfit. I don't see the JTF leaving the "fringe" category anytime soon with morons like you.
I will purge those who "salute" neonazis, and I will do so indiscriminately and without reservation. Nazism is not an acceptable 'political group.'
LOL, you call JTF fringe... If we purge you, we are purging the fringe. Strong-armed opposition to fringe lunatics like you is a great way to become mainstream.
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It isn't always possible to devide the religious from political issues. If the one who kills you makes his politics based on religion, then HOW do you divide them?
This map of "State Religions" shows clearly WHERE religion and State are involved with each other!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/State_Religions.svg/1000px-State_Religions.svg.png)
And about the "moderate Muslims". I believe there are plenty of them. But the problem is that they'd hardly call a Muslim hardliner or terrorist a terrorist or a radical. They would feel like betraying Islam and thus they'll always side the fanatics rather than the non-Muslims in order to not be considered enemies by their own.
Look at the small number of Muslim authors who were critic about Islam. Even in Turkey there is a wide spread hatred and fear against Christians and Jews. And Turkey is one of the most secularized Muslim countries. Syria is not religious either but their politics ARE that of a typical Muslim state. They as a secular country support Iran and Hizbollah.
And as long as I do not see any mass demonstration of moderate Muslim immigrants in Western countries against terror, fanatism and sharia they are inexitent for me. A moderate who doesn't stand up against a fanatic is just as evil as the fanatics or even worse - because he/she KNOWS about the evil the others are doing and accepts it. It is just like the Germans who weren't Nazis themselves but shut up and didn't do anything against Hitler and the other evildoers - should we call them good people because they were only watching people being mass-murdered?
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It's so simple with a map like this, want to solve most of the world's current security problems? Carpet bomb the green areas. :::D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/State_Religions.svg/1000px-State_Religions.svg.png)
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It isn't always possible to devide the religious from political issues. If the one who kills you makes his politics based on religion, then HOW do you divide them?
This map of "State Religions" shows clearly WHERE religion and State are involved with each other!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/State_Religions.svg/1000px-State_Religions.svg.png)
And about the "moderate Muslims". I believe there are plenty of them. But the problem is that they'd hardly call a Muslim hardliner or terrorist a terrorist or a radical. They would feel like betraying Islam and thus they'll always side the fanatics rather than the non-Muslims in order to not be considered enemies by their own.
Look at the small number of Muslim authors who were critic about Islam. Even in Turkey there is a wide spread hatred and fear against Christians and Jews. And Turkey is one of the most secularized Muslim countries. Syria is not religious either but their politics ARE that of a typical Muslim state. They as a secular country support Iran and Hizbollah.
And as long as I do not see any mass demonstration of moderate Muslim immigrants in Western countries against terror, fanatism and sharia they are inexitent for me. A moderate who doesn't stand up against a fanatic is just as evil as the fanatics or even worse - because he/she KNOWS about the evil the others are doing and accepts it. It is just like the Germans who weren't Nazis themselves but shut up and didn't do anything against Hitler and the other evildoers - should we call them good people because they were only watching people being mass-murdered?
Do you know what type of world map this is (what projection is used) ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:State_Religions.svg
That's all info there is about this map.
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It's so simple with a map like this, want to solve most of the world's current security problems? Carpet bomb the green areas. :::D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/State_Religions.svg/1000px-State_Religions.svg.png)
Why isn't Dearborn highlighted ?
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:::D :::D :::D :::D It might be highlighted on a high-resolution map. Maybe this is too small! :::D
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Im surprised subsaharan Africa isnt colored. HAHAHAH
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Im surprised subsaharan Africa isnt colored. HAHAHAH
What color would you use for that, I wonder? 8;)
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Im surprised subsaharan Africa isnt colored. HAHAHAH
What color would you use for that, I wonder? 8;)
Black perhaps?
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It's so simple with a map like this, want to solve most of the world's current security problems? Carpet bomb the green areas. :::D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/State_Religions.svg/1000px-State_Religions.svg.png)
Why isn't Dearborn highlighted ?
Why isn't every Muslim country highlighted?
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It's so simple with a map like this, want to solve most of the world's current security problems? Carpet bomb the green areas. :::D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/State_Religions.svg/1000px-State_Religions.svg.png)
Why isn't Dearborn highlighted ?
Why isn't every Muslim country highlighted?
Because not all Muslim countries have Islam as state religion!
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Mr. So-Called Patriot, it's not your job to come here and try to "broaden" our views. Either you agree with most of what we're about or you don't. And being that you stubbornly believe that there are moderate Muslims who will side with non-Muslims against their terorrist co-religionists, I think you're delusional. Since you believe we're "fringe" and that there are plenty of moderate Muslims, I suggest you start your own forum.
In any case, you don't belong in JTF. I'm banning you.
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I do not support so called 'moderates'
and dont want to trust these so called moderates either..at least for the next fifty years and until they purge their evil ways. In their books it is allowable to smile at us (both christians and jews)and lie and say they are moderates...then when they are enough in numbers...they will wreck havoc.
No I do NOT trust them. Now they are afraid of the backlash they have managed to attract. They see far right parties rising in Europe to deport them or even worse so now they are afraid and conveniently changed from radicals to 'moderates'.
Who are these people trying to kid. Remember radicals are always replaced you eliminate a radical and he is replaced by a so called moderate turned into a radical.
I will give an oxymoron. Your house doorbell rings. You find a box with the words Islam written on it. You know there might be a bomb in it...and there might not be a bomb. Will you risk taking it inside? Certainly not. I want Europe to deport them ALL and when they learn to be civilised and realize that ISlamoFascism terrorism is wrong then they can come back in small numbers on a probational period just like criminals are dealt with ...maybe in 50 years or so they will change their ways. I doubt it however. But for now my sole wish is to send them all back to their own countries. They have overstepped the hospitality BIG TIME.!
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Liberals themselves are funny people:
They claim women's rights but they want to mass-import the most anti-feminist people in the world: Muslims.
They want to have freedom of speech but want criticism about Islam to be censored. And take want to mass-import people who obviously HATE freedom of speech if it is not in their own interest (there may be hate speeches against Jews or instigation against Israel, but criticising their ideology should be forbidden).
They want gay rights but want to mass import those who mainly beat up and kill fags.
They want children's rights and mass import people who kick children's rights with their feet.
Is it suitable for a liberal to fight against prohibition of hijab for teachers in schools? Where are the women's rights now?
They are all a bunch of contradictory idiots and flower-eaters. Discussing with them is as efficient as talking to a parking meter.
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Turkey should be coloured green before the bombing commences.