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Title: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 08, 2010, 11:32:46 AM
(http://www.spielzeugundantik.de/artikelbilder/126289322290.99.jpg)

A friend told me it could be from India.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: SW on January 08, 2010, 11:35:03 AM
Looks like Chinese mixed with Arabic?! I don't know.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: ✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ on January 08, 2010, 12:11:05 PM
its not Sanskrit, must be from Orient
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: syyuge on January 08, 2010, 12:12:30 PM
India has 18 official languages and nearly thousand of unofficial languages, however at first glance it does not look like Indian.

It looks like ornamentally designed AR or may be from Japan. But do we know the directional orientation of these words?
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 08, 2010, 12:14:23 PM
India has 18 official languages and nearly thousand of unofficial languages, however at first glance it does not look like Indian.

It looks like ornamentally designed AR or may be from Japan. But do we know the directional orientation of these words?

 Sorry, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: syyuge on January 08, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
India has 18 official languages and nearly thousand of unofficial languages, however at first glance it does not look like Indian.

It looks like ornamentally designed AR or may be from Japan. But do we know the directional orientation of these words?

 Sorry, I have no idea.

How much old is it expected?
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 08, 2010, 12:29:04 PM
India has 18 official languages and nearly thousand of unofficial languages, however at first glance it does not look like Indian.

It looks like ornamentally designed AR or may be from Japan. But do we know the directional orientation of these words?

 Sorry, I have no idea.

How much old is it expected?

My friend told me at least 100 years.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 08, 2010, 12:30:01 PM
Here is another picture: (http://www.spielzeugundantik.de/artikelbilder/126289319169.85.jpg)
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: syyuge on January 08, 2010, 12:47:35 PM
About 100 years old toy elephant may be mostly from India and AR may be the English initials of the customer inscribed by the artist, may be Andrew Ronald or similar. Just a guess.
 ;D

Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 08, 2010, 12:55:42 PM
About 100 years old toy elephant may be mostly from India and AR may be the English initials of the customer inscribed by the artist, may be Andrew Ronald or similar. Just a guess.
 ;D



Could be - didn't sound so crazy.  :)
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: mord on January 08, 2010, 01:13:42 PM
Looks expensive
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 08, 2010, 08:16:38 PM
Ancient?
Does it have a sticker "Made in China"?
Looks like something you got from a store.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 08, 2010, 09:06:50 PM
Ancient?
Does it have a sticker "Made in China"?
Looks like something you got from a store.


It is not my elephant.  ;D

Is the gravure Chinese? Are you able to read it?
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 08, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
Ancient?
Does it have a sticker "Made in China"?
Looks like something you got from a store.


It is not my elephant.  ;D

Is the gravure Chinese? Are you able to read it?


Ancient my arse!!
Let me rotate that. It is Chinese.
I can't really read Chinese. But I do recognise that it's modern Chinese.
C'mon tell the truth. You went to a toy store.

I used to be able to look up words by the number of strokes, but I've lost it. Sorry. I'll ask around.

Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 09, 2010, 02:48:00 AM
Ancient?
Does it have a sticker "Made in China"?
Looks like something you got from a store.


It is not my elephant.  ;D

Is the gravure Chinese? Are you able to read it?


Ancient my arse!!
Let me rotate that. It is Chinese.
I can't really read Chinese. But I do recognise that it's modern Chinese.
C'mon tell the truth. You went to a toy store.

I used to be able to look up words by the number of strokes, but I've lost it. Sorry. I'll ask around.


Oh thank you so much.  :)
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: cjd on January 09, 2010, 05:43:51 AM
Here is another picture: (http://www.spielzeugundantik.de/artikelbilder/126289319169.85.jpg)
Something about the finish on this elephant statue tells me that its not so old...Then again it depends on what its made out of. Over the years I have collected hundreds of elephant statues like that. It's hard to say with some of the older ones that are carved out of marble or stone of some sort because after they are cleaned up a bit they always look like the day they were made. This often makes it hard to tell if its very old or something out of the Pier One Imports store. The tool marks on them as well as markings like the on the one you have would go a long way in telling how old something like that really is.
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Post by: syyuge on January 09, 2010, 08:22:50 AM
It is interesting. Whatever is the outcome, please let us know.
 ;D
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 09, 2010, 09:44:45 AM
Here is another picture: (http://www.spielzeugundantik.de/artikelbilder/126289319169.85.jpg)
Something about the finish on this elephant statue tells me that its not so old...Then again it depends on what its made out of. Over the years I have collected hundreds of elephant statues like that. It's hard to say with some of the older ones that are carved out of marble or stone of some sort because after they are cleaned up a bit they always look like the day they were made. This often makes it hard to tell if its very old or something out of the Pier One Imports store. The tool marks on them as well as markings like the on the one you have would go a long way in telling how old something like that really is.

The material is bronze. :)
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: syyuge on January 09, 2010, 11:17:37 AM
Bronze Elephant.... This Elephants looks like Indian and not African because of a single lip at its trunk and not double lip. So it may be mostly somewhere from Asia including India.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: cjd on January 09, 2010, 04:08:37 PM
Bronze indeed makes it a more interesting piece. At first seeing the picture it seemed to be made of some sort of composite material that's only been in use for the last 20 years. Bronze opens the possibility that the thing may be as old as your friend claims. Lets see if any of the other members can make heads or tails out of the mark on the elephants foot.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: pennyjangle on January 09, 2010, 04:33:22 PM
Get it appraised then you'll know for sure.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ari Ben-Canaan on January 09, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
WHAT QUESTIONS CAN JTF NOT ANSWER!?!?
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 09, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
WHAT QUESTIONS CAN JTF NOT ANSWER!?!?

Where in the world you have people from so many backgrounds?  ;D
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 09, 2010, 09:39:30 PM
Wife say name Chinese artist.
Elephant make jade, maybe.

It's two words. The artist: Xing Gong.
I have no idea who that is.
It's simplified Chinese.

So, yes, it's a signature.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Ulli on January 10, 2010, 03:04:47 AM
Wife say name Chinese artist.
Elephant make jade, maybe.

It's two words. The artist: Xing Gong.
I have no idea who that is.
It's simplified Chinese.

So, yes, it's a signature.


Thank you so much! I just phoned my friend.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: syyuge on January 10, 2010, 04:57:10 AM
Good to know it. But jade is entirely different from bronze.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: Boyana on January 10, 2010, 07:06:53 AM
It is from thailnad!
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on January 10, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Ancient?
Does it have a sticker "Made in China"?
Looks like something you got from a store.


AngryChineseKahanist,

You're a riot! :o)
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 10, 2010, 05:08:59 PM
Ancient?
Does it have a sticker "Made in China"?
Looks like something you got from a store.


AngryChineseKahanist,

You're a riot! :o)

**gulp**

I used to login as angryChineseManiac.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on January 10, 2010, 06:01:02 PM
Angry Chinese maniac, lol. why the name?  How did you find your way to JTF.  I used to see Chaim on NYC Tv when I lived in Manhattan.  But in those days, I was much more liberal.  Then well, either times changed or I became more aware or I stopped making excuses for other people or any combination thereof
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 10, 2010, 10:48:56 PM
Angry Chinese maniac, lol. why the name?  How did you find your way to JTF.  I used to see Chaim on NYC Tv when I lived in Manhattan.  But in those days, I was much more liberal.  Then well, either times changed or I became more aware or I stopped making excuses for other people or any combination thereof

They used to call me a maniac in high school.

I was introduced to JTF.org by a pair of gay Republican Jews. I'm not gay.
Then the first time I saw JTF was on MNN when Chaim and Yosef held up a picture of an ape and said this is Anthony Riddle.

I was never a liberal.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on January 11, 2010, 08:23:49 PM
LOL. I only wish I knew ' who is Anthony Riddle?'  do you still live in the city?  I am going back there this coming July--Lord Willing
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: ✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ on January 12, 2010, 12:19:14 PM
AngryChineseKahanist,

how do you describe your religious belief? Confucianism/Tao/Buddhist??
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 13, 2010, 03:03:41 AM
JTFenthuslast2, I'm no longer in the Peoples Republic of NYC.

Hindu, I would describe my parents as somewhat Buddhist.
Myself, somewhat Christian.
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on January 13, 2010, 03:49:26 PM
Interesting Angry Chinese Kahanist.  Why did you leave NYC?  I left for my training (dumb de dumb dumb move) on my part
Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on January 14, 2010, 08:54:12 AM

Rent went from $200 (1980) to almost $2000. East Village.

Title: Re: Did anybody know, what this ancient signature means? What language?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on January 14, 2010, 07:25:35 PM
How could I forget the obvious.  Sad though