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French report wants limits on Muslim face veil
Posted 1/26/2010 8:57 AM ET
By Elaine Ganley, Associated Press Writer
PARIS — A parliamentary panel that wants Muslim women to stop veiling their faces recommended Tuesday that France ban such garb in public facilities, including hospitals and mass transit, and a leading panel member said he foresees such an interdiction by the end of 2010.
The nearly 200-page report contains a panoply of measures intended to dissuade women from wearing all-enveloping veils in France. It also recommends refusing residence cards and citizenship to anyone with visible signs of a "radical religious practice."
However, there is no call to outlaw such garments -- worn by a tiny minority of Muslims -- in private areas and in the street. A full ban was the major issue that divided the 32-member, multiparty panel which ultimately heeded warnings that a full ban risked being deemed unconstitutional and could even cause trouble in a country where Islam is the second-largest religion.
The report, which culminates six months of hearings, was formally presented to the president of the National Assembly, the lower house, Bernard Accoyer, and made public.
Conservative lawmaker Eric Raoult, the panel's No. 2 member, said later that he foresaw a limited ban in the public sector "before the end of the year."
"We need maybe six months or a little more to explain what we want," he told The Associated Press, adding that "by the end of 2010" there could be such an interdiction.
Accoyer was more vague but told a news conference that "we can certainly find solutions in a brief time."
Universities, hospitals, public transport and post offices would be among areas included in a limited ban on the all-encompassing veil.
As envisaged by the panel, such a ban would require that people show their faces when entering the facility and "keep the face uncovered throughout their presence," the report says.
Failure to do so would result "in a refusal to deliver the service demanded." That means, for instance, that a woman seeking state funds commonly accorded to mothers would walk away empty-handed.
A parliamentary resolution condemning such garb, with no legal weight and the easiest measure to pass, would be likely to precede concrete initiatives.
The veil is widely viewed in France as a gateway to extremism, an insult to gender equality and an offense to France's secular foundation. A 2004 French law bans Muslim headscarves from primary and secondary school classrooms.
The language in the report was carefully chosen in an effort to avoid offending France's estimated 5 million Muslims -- the largest such population in western Europe -- and accusations of discrimination. Muslim leaders have already complained that the debate over the full veil coupled with an ongoing debate on French national identity has left some Muslims feeling their religion is becoming a government target.
The panel went to work, taking testimony from more than 200 experts and others, after President Nicolas Sarkozy said in June that veils that hide the face are "not welcome" on French territory.
Such veils are thought to be worn by only several thousand Muslim women who, most often, pin a "niqab" across their faces, hiding all but the eyes. Worn with a long, dark robe, such clothing is customarily associated with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states.
The report puts an emphasis on educating women who wear the robes in France about the rules of the Republic.
Any action on the report would not come before March regional elections.
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Hi arksis!!!
There should be a ban in every non-Islamic run country....
They need to assimilate to us, not us to them...........
Plain and clear..........
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Long time no see ag! Great to see you!
Yes, I totally agree, they should be banned from EVERY country but their own. If you don't want assimilate, then GO HOME! Plain and clear is right, but all have lost their common sense it seems. >:(
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But they are not all the same..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKIgzScJ1WU
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I would not even bother to leave the house if I had to dress like that every day. Dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life!
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Or if they have to wear the Burka, then wearing large opaque glasses over the eyes shall be mandatory.
8)
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Egad!! Put that bag back on!
Yeek!
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I think all Muslim women should be required to wear burqas. I think all Muslim men should wear burqas too. That way we don't have too look at them. I would start with that ugly Arafat looking [censored] Helen Thomas, she SHOULD wear a burqa. You see their are some positive things about the Muslim culture. ;D
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I'm tired of hearing about the "estimated five million Muslims in France". They've been quoting that figure for far too long now. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like 10 million or 15 million. They do the same thing with illegal immigrants here in the States too, always using the same number as if their numbers never increase. B.S. I say.
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I think all Muslim women should be required to wear burqas. I think all Muslim men should wear burqas too. That way we don't have too look at them. I would start with that ugly Arafat looking kurva Helen Thomas, she SHOULD wear a burqa. You see their are some positive things about the Muslim culture. ;D
Yes. I agree. I don't wanna look at their ugly faces. Makes me wanna puke when I see them.
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Burkas differ. In "liberal" countries they can sweep daringly below the eyes, and can even give a glimpse of the top of the nose. In other countries they often show just one eye. In the Gulf it is perhaps more common to have no eyes at all, just some netting (muslin?) to look through. What all these women have in common is that they are all provided with a free white sack in which to be stoned or, in the case of Saudi Arabia, to be drowned by their fathers in the family swimming pool.
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"Boo hoo."
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"Muslim women are heartless"
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בס"ד
Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
Who? 8)
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
Who? 8)
That's a serious question
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
Depends on who you have the gun pointed at.
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
Who are you to decide this question? Only Hashem, blessed is his name, has the ability to control life and death. You are merely a visitor in Hashems world and to think that you are more than that is nothing short of chutzpah.
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
Who are you to decide this question? Only Hashem, blessed is his name, has the ability to control life and death. You are merely a visitor in Hashems world and to think that you are more than that is nothing short of chutzpah.
You kinda know me for a few months and yet don't know that you shouldn't take EVERYTHING I say seriously?
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
Who are you to decide this question? Only Hashem, blessed is his name, has the ability to control life and death. You are merely a visitor in Hashems world and to think that you are more than that is nothing short of chutzpah.
You kinda know me for a few months and yet don't know that you shouldn't take EVERYTHING I say seriously?
I know... You did not mean it like that... I was just trying to make a point that only Hashem is the one who decides when a human will die... You may try to argue semantics on who is considered a human.... But....
I am not saying you are wrong for asking, just making a statement...
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Who dies faster - a German Nazi woman or an Arab/Muslim woman?
I don't understand. Why criticise Islam for their treatment of women if you can joke about their death?