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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60Q4TN20100127
Ted Kennedy had missed the momement. Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
Russian "stealth" fighter to fly by end-Jan: source
12:24pm EST
By Gleb Stolyarov and Dmitry Solovyov
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will test fly by the end of January a new "fifth generation" stealth fighter that aims to challenge the United States for technical superiority, an aviation industry source told Reuters on Wednesday.
This would be the first all-new military aircraft Russia has built since the Soviet Union collapsed two decades ago and is crucial to showing that Moscow still has advanced technologies of its own, defense analysts said.
However, it would probably take five to seven years before Russia's military finally got to fly the first of these fighters, they said.
Fifth-generation jets are invisible to radar, have advanced on-board flight and weapons control systems and can cruise at supersonic speeds. Russia currently builds military aircraft based on designs dating from the Soviet era.
Asked when the new fighter, built by the Sukhoi company, would make its maiden flight, the industry source said: "By the end of this month."
Sukhoi is Russia's largest exporter of military planes and accounts for a quarter of the country's annual arms sales. It has foreign orders worth billions of dollars, with India its biggest client.
A spokesman for Sukhoi said the plane would fly "in the near future."
Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Far Eastern city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where the first prototype plane has been built, as saying its first flight could take place "in two or three days, depending on the actual weather."
DELAYED JET IS MOSCOW'S PRIDE
The warplane is seen as Moscow's challenge to the U.S.-built F-22 Raptor stealth fighter, which first flew in 1997.
"The importance of this project is huge. This is the first and principally new plane built in Russia after the fall of communism," said Alexander Khramchikhin, chief analyst at the Moscow-based Institute of Military and Political Analysis.
"This is good for Russia's defense capability, because so far only the United States has built such a jet."
But Khramchikhin said he was not starry-eyed about the plane, recalling delayed deliveries to Russia's armed forces of much-publicized new diesel submarines and the formidable Iskander tactical missiles.
A series of failed tests of the newest, submarine-launched Bulava (Mace) intercontinental nuclear missile, touted by the Kremlin as a perfect weapon able to pierce any air defense, has only added to Moscow's embarrassment in recent years.
"In an optimistic scenario, Russian air forces meanwhile will probably rely strongly on supplies of the less advanced Sukhoi Su-35 jet fighter whose deliveries are due to start this year," the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) said in an analytical note sent to Reuters.
"It appears the new jet will take years to be fine-tuned, and its delivery to the armed forces would take between five and seven years at least." It said Russia was likely to produce the new jet jointly with its close partner India.
CAST said the mass output of the fifth-generation fighter and its future modifications would attract young engineers to the aviation sector and boost Moscow's military exports after the market for the current Su-30 had been saturated.
"The fifth-generation plane could easily occupy a niche of at least one third of the world market for this type of output," CAST said. "Europe is not building such jets, and China's would-be copycat planes will not match the high standards."
Potential exports of U.S. fifth-generation jets may be limited by Washington's security considerations, reducing sales to a narrow circle of close U.S. allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and Japan, CAST said.
(Reporting by Gleb Stolyarov and Dmitry Solovyov; writing by Steve Gutterman and Dmitry Solovyov; editing by David Stamp)
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Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
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Marvelous, new cold war beginning? Just what we need. ::)
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Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
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בס"ד
Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
Russians are not dumb - they realize once again that they don't the power to wage war against Israel by themeselves and survive - they [try] to use the Arabs and the Muslims instead.
But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
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But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
It is about the raise of Russia and the resurgence of it military might in the end times.
The nation "from the north" is believed to be Russia who will be the leader of the coalition.
Ezekiel was possibly referring to
Ezekiel lists the following nations which will be marching with Russia.
# Persia (Iran)--from the North
# Cush (Ethiopia)--from the South -- while the direct modern equivalent of ancient Cush is Ethiopia, other black nations from this region might also be included.
# Put (Libya)--from the South
# Gomer (Eastern Europe)--from the North -- probably the former Eastern European block subservient to the old U.S.S.R.
# House of Togarmah (probably the southern Russian republics [mostly Arab] and possibly Turkey)--from the north.
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It is about the raise of Russia and the resurgence of it military might in the end times.
The nation "from the north" is believed to be Russia who will be the leader of the coalition.
Ezekiel was possibly referring to
Ezekiel lists the following nations which will be marching with Russia.
# Persia (Iran)--from the North
# Cush (Ethiopia)--from the South -- while the direct modern equivalent of ancient Cush is Ethiopia, other black nations from this region might also be included.
# Put (Libya)--from the South
# Gomer (Eastern Europe)--from the North -- probably the former Eastern European block subservient to the old U.S.S.R.
# House of Togarmah (probably the southern Russian republics [mostly Arab] and possibly Turkey)--from the north.
Russia nowadays has no internet in ingaging war with Israel. At the days of the USSR it was already believed that this is Russia, but since Obama's election it's more possible that it will be the United States of America - but it's still all speculations.
Your list is a list of speculations.
Gomer - Celtics [there's a source saying it's Germany; these can be MANY people since it's the name of the people the Assyrians named "Gymry" or "Kymries" in the academic language, and then became Galtoi, and then became the Celtics, and as known, many peoples are related to the Celtics like Britian].
Tohgrema - Caucasians [many people lived in the Caucas and moved to West Europe so these can be many people].
Kush - all nations that existed after Mitzrayim.
For the record, ALL European nations have been through Euro-Asia, so the choices are many.
About the North - Persia? there are tons of nations living Northern to us.
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בס"ד
Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
Russians are not dumb - they realize once again that they don't the power to wage war against Israel by themeselves and survive - they [try] to use the Arabs and the Muslims instead.
But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
why do you say that? Russia has a much more powerful military than Israel has.
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בס"ד
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Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
Russians are not dumb - they realize once again that they don't the power to wage war against Israel by themeselves and survive - they [try] to use the Arabs and the Muslims instead.
But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
why do you say that? Russia has a much more powerful military than Israel has.
With all due difference of course, would US wage war by itself against North Korea?
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# Gomer (Eastern Europe)--from the North -- probably the former Eastern European block subservient to the old U.S.S.R.
How do you know that Gomer is Eastern Europe? Besides, most of Eastern Europeans hate Russia's guts. However, Jew-hatred may unite any enemies.
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Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
Russians are not dumb - they realize once again that they don't the power to wage war against Israel by themeselves and survive - they [try] to use the Arabs and the Muslims instead.
But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
why do you say that? Russia has a much more powerful military than Israel has.
With all due difference of course, would US wage war by itself against North Korea?
It depends. If you mean the type of war that the US has engaged in recently, namely a "war" that attempts to limit civilian casualties while making surgical strikes on their enemy and handcuffing their troops so that they don't incur any condemnation from other countries, no. If you mean an all out, we are going to fight with the only objective being victory war, the US would have no problem taking care of North Korea or most any other nation in the world. Fortunately for the other nations of the world, I don't believe that will ever happen.
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בס"ד
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Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
Russians are not dumb - they realize once again that they don't the power to wage war against Israel by themeselves and survive - they [try] to use the Arabs and the Muslims instead.
But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
why do you say that? Russia has a much more powerful military than Israel has.
With all due difference of course, would US wage war by itself against North Korea?
It depends. If you mean the type of war that the US has engaged in recently, namely a "war" that attempts to limit civilian casualties while making surgical strikes on their enemy and handcuffing their troops so that they don't incur any condemnation from other countries, no. If you mean an all out, we are going to fight with the only objective being victory war, the US would have no problem taking care of North Korea or most any other nation in the world. Fortunately for the other nations of the world, I don't believe that will ever happen.
I mean an all-out war of which there is a high chance to beocme a nuclear war/MAD. Also there's one more to thing, there should be no comparison between the difference between Russia+Israel and US+NK/China.
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בס"ד
בס"ד
בס"ד
Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
Russians are not dumb - they realize once again that they don't the power to wage war against Israel by themeselves and survive - they [try] to use the Arabs and the Muslims instead.
But still what does that have to do with the book of Yezekiel?
why do you say that? Russia has a much more powerful military than Israel has.
With all due difference of course, would US wage war by itself against North Korea?
It depends. If you mean the type of war that the US has engaged in recently, namely a "war" that attempts to limit civilian casualties while making surgical strikes on their enemy and handcuffing their troops so that they don't incur any condemnation from other countries, no. If you mean an all out, we are going to fight with the only objective being victory war, the US would have no problem taking care of North Korea or most any other nation in the world. Fortunately for the other nations of the world, I don't believe that will ever happen.
I mean an all-out war of which there is a high chance to beocme a nuclear war/MAD. Also there's one more to thing, there should be no comparison between the difference between Russia+Israel and US+NK/China.
Russia has a much better chance of surviving a nuclear confrontation with Israel simply because of its size.
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Russia simply doesn't have the brain power that Israel has and btw G-d is on the side of Israel.
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Russia simply doesn't have the brain power that Israel has and btw G-d is on the side of Israel.
brains can't help you when nuclear missiles are flying towards you
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Russia simply doesn't have the brain power that Israel has and btw G-d is on the side of Israel.
That is why the second two seater version of this Stealth Fighter can be expected to be equipped with the latest versions of Israeli technologies.
;D
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Oh! It flew for first time but without retracting its wheels and was visible even to the naked eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22fN4fVoFdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWZiSdWvns&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F
Somewhat geometrical impressions of Raptor may be present but may not be so much stealthy without plasma if any. However speed maybe higher and maneuvers may be comparable if not better.
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Oh! It flew for first time but without retracting its wheels and was visible even to the naked eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22fN4fVoFdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWZiSdWvns&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F
Somewhat geometrical impressions of Raptor may be present but may not be so much stealthy without plasma if any. However speed maybe higher and maneuvers may be comparable if not better.
what?
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Fences, nuclear armed submarines make great neighbors.
Nobody can really mess with Israel [unless they are out of their minds, which explains anyone who does mess with our beloved homeland].
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Time to read Ezekiel 38 & 39
What does that have to do with the article?
After crumbling as USSR, Russia is raising up again. The future military might of Russians will give them false hope that they would be able to defeat Israel.
You seem to be a very anti-Russian :o
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Oh! It flew for first time but without retracting its wheels and was visible even to the naked eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22fN4fVoFdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWZiSdWvns&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F
Somewhat geometrical impressions of Raptor may be present but may not be so much stealthy without plasma if any. However speed maybe higher and maneuvers may be comparable if not better.
what?
Parameters T-50 F-22 F-35
LENGTH - M 22 18.9 15.67
WINGSPAN- M 14.2 13.56 10.7
HEIGHT- M 6.05 5.08 4.33
WING AREA- M*M 78.8 78.04 42.7
EMPTY WT - Kg 18500 19700 13300
LOADED WT - Kg 26000 29300 20100
USEFUL LOAD - Kg 7500 9600 6800
MAX WT - Kg 37000 38000 31800
POWER PLANT - KN 350 312 191
MAX SPEED - Km/Hr 2600/M2.42 2410/M2.25 2065/M1.67
CRUISE SPEED - Km/Hr 1300-1800 1963 NO
RANGE - Km 4000-5500 1840-2960 2220
SERVICE SEALING - M 20000 19800 18288
CLIMB RATE - M/Sec 350 >> 254 ??
WING LOADING - Kg/M*M 330-470 375 446
THRUST/WEIGHT 1.4 1.08 -1.26 0.84-1.04
HARD POINTS 8+8 8+8 6+4 & More
Obviously all the above data are estimates and extrapolations but may be correct to a large extent.
;D
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It looks like a crossbred of a Suhoi SU27 with an F22 Raptor.
I suppose they are going to nickname it "Raptorski"
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It looks like a crossbred of a Suhoi SU27 with an F22 Raptor.
I suppose they are going to nickname it "Raptorski"
Also some inputs from the studies of the experimental Sukhoi Su-47 Berkut :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP2p72ANEZA
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It looks like a nice aircraft however there is always something lacking or outdated with Russian military hardware. America has decided in the past few years to allow companies here at home like Grumman and a few other large military suppliers to fade away. Who knows, Russia may eventually pull ahead with things like this. It takes big money to stay on the cutting edge so unless the American people demand a well funded program for this countries like Russia and China will soon take the lead.
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I think the transformer policies are allowing more and more of such cutting edge businesses to shift from America to Europe.
It would have been better, if the people have voted to a Generator instead of a Transformer.
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It looks like a nice aircraft however there is always something lacking or outdated with Russian military hardware. America has decided in the past few years to allow companies here at home like Grumman and a few other large military suppliers to fade away. Who knows, Russia may eventually pull ahead with things like this. It takes big money to stay on the cutting edge so unless the American people demand a well funded program for this countries like Russia and China will soon take the lead.
The future of American military aviation will be unmanned aircraft, not fighters with pilots.
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It looks like a nice aircraft however there is always something lacking or outdated with Russian military hardware. America has decided in the past few years to allow companies here at home like Grumman and a few other large military suppliers to fade away. Who knows, Russia may eventually pull ahead with things like this. It takes big money to stay on the cutting edge so unless the American people demand a well funded program for this countries like Russia and China will soon take the lead.
Yes.
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All things are getting late. I shall grade that weapon to be the best which robs the muslamics off their nuke capabilities, even if it turns out to be the bolt from the blue.
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(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/07/custom_1247008364792_SU_PAKFA_pic_6_01.jpg)
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(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/07/custom_1247008364792_SU_PAKFA_pic_6_01.jpg)
that's not what it looks like at all. There are pictures of the real thing now. Why post old speculative 3d renders?
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(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/07/custom_1247008364792_SU_PAKFA_pic_6_01.jpg)
that's not what it looks like at all. There are pictures of the real thing now. Why post old speculative 3d renders?
Two pictures of T-50 were floated on the nets. Now we know that both were different from the reality. However the above picture seems to be the nearer.
The reality:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Pak_fa_up.JPG/180px-Pak_fa_up.JPG)
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(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/07/custom_1247008364792_SU_PAKFA_pic_6_01.jpg)
that's not what it looks like at all. There are pictures of the real thing now. Why post old speculative 3d renders?
Two pictures of T-50 were floated on the nets. Now we know that both were different from the reality. However the above picture seems to be the nearer.
The reality:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Pak_fa_up.JPG/180px-Pak_fa_up.JPG)
hundreds of speculative drawings/renders of this aircraft are on the internet
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Out of those hundreds of speculative drawings/renders of this aircraft on the internet, only this is the real test demonstration variant:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Pak_fa_up.JPG/180px-Pak_fa_up.JPG)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y7XUUnlJyQ&feature=related
Please check at 10-12 seconds.
;D
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Out of those hundreds of speculative drawings/renders of this aircraft on the internet, only this is the real test demonstration variant:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Pak_fa_up.JPG/180px-Pak_fa_up.JPG)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y7XUUnlJyQ&feature=related
Please check at 10-12 seconds.
;D
which was exactly my point. There is no reason to post some artist's impression when the real deal has been photographed.
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OK, Thanx. ;D