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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on January 30, 2010, 05:47:26 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5crwcTbytM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5crwcTbytM
very catchy video great work
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I'm not sure whether or not Ira supports us. Even if these videos are supposed to be a joke, I don't know if all people who are not yet familiar with JTF would see it that way. I don't think we should promote her videos.
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I'm not sure whether or not Ira supports us. Even if these videos are supposed to be a joke, I don't know if all people who are not yet familiar with JTF would see it that way. I don't think we should promote her videos.
Why would you think that http://www.youtube.com/user/ira90000
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I'm not sure whether or not Ira supports us. Even if these videos are supposed to be a joke, I don't know if all people who are not yet familiar with JTF would see it that way. I don't think we should promote her videos.
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Moshe, even if it's a joke, it's good free publicity.
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Very catchy song.
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I'm not sure whether or not Ira supports us. Even if these videos are supposed to be a joke, I don't know if all people who are not yet familiar with JTF would see it that way. I don't think we should promote her videos.
I agree with Moshe92 considering how I see neo-Nazi and muslim Nazi enemies of JTF subscribe to her channel quite regularly. I recently had a comment on my latest video as well as a follow up PM from both an American righteous Gentile supporter of JTF as well as Russian friend of JTF on Zootube wanting to know why is it that Chaim always promotes Ira's videos so much but not those of JTF'ers such as myself considering how popular her videos are with our enemies. I could not give either of them a satisfactory answer to their question despite repeating the "any publicity is good publicity" mantra.
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appealing video
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Not bad at all... But certainly, Moshe has a point.
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:::D Ira is great!
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I'm not sure whether or not Ira supports us. Even if these videos are supposed to be a joke, I don't know if all people who are not yet familiar with JTF would see it that way. I don't think we should promote her videos.
I agree with Moshe92 considering how I see neo-Nazi and muslim Nazi enemies of JTF subscribe to her channel quite regularly. I recently had a comment on my latest video as well as a follow up PM from both an American righteous Gentile supporter of JTF as well as Russian friend of JTF on Zootube wanting to know why is it that Chaim always promotes Ira's videos so much but not those of JTF'ers such as myself
Sorry, but I think that her videos are simply more creative and more fun.
considering how popular her videos are with our enemies. I could not give either of them a satisfactory answer to their question despite repeating the "any publicity is good publicity" mantra.
Well that means that her videos attract not just those who already support the JTF.
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Very good.
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Sorry, but I think that her videos are simply more creative and more fun.
I do agree with you that her videos are fun but I will leave it up to long-time JTF'ers to decide who is the more creative when it comes to making videos. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but JTF is not against having fun. I have already made several comedy and parody videos proving it. However JTF is also a very serious movement dedicated to saving Israel, America, Serbia, Europe and Western civilization so our efforts are primarily focussed on serious issues and not mere frivolity which is Ira's focus.
considering how popular her videos are with our enemies. I could not give either of them a satisfactory answer to their question despite repeating the "any publicity is good publicity" mantra.
Well that means that her videos attract not just those who already support the JTF.
You obviously misunderstood what I wrote here. I did not refer to good, decent, righteous Jewish and Gentile people subscribing to her channel. I specifically referred to Muslim Nazis, neo-Nazis, Black antisemites and Ron Paul supporters. If you had read Moshe92's comment you would realize more precisely what I was getting at. When Ira was asked if she was pro-JTF or anti-JTF she replied:
"I am neither pro-JTF nor anti-JTF".
This is what makes Moshe92 and I very wary of her motives and agenda vis-a-vis JTF and our goals as a serious movement. You should also be aware that Ira is not and never has been a member of JTF.
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I'm not completely sure, but I have a feeling that she does these videos to make fun of us and then gets a kick out of how we praise her.
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I know this is not going to be a popular opinion with some people here but the first couple of videos she did I thought they were kinda funny and amusing. Now I find her videos to be a little cheap and repetitive. Quite frankly, I don't find them that funny. The more videos she does the more I get the feeling that she's making fun of JTF.
If she supports JTF and supposedly makes pro-JTF videos why would she write: "I am neither pro-JTF nor anti-JTF"? Also why would she be friends with people who hate JTF? Something's not right.
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I'm not completely sure, but I have a feeling that she does these videos to make fun of us and then gets a kick out of how we praise her.
Absolutely Moshe92. Looking over her work one can draw that conclusion. How about titles like this:
Chaim Ben Pesach: Becoming INSANE
Here is one of the videos which I see being favorited quite a lot by enemies of JTF especially people like RobStark/EndZOG and Marbus0:
Chaim ben Pesach the Brain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEjf1V41574
Even if you think it was not malicious and only done in "good fun" I don't see how this can be a pro-JTF video.
This clearly makes Chaim and David Ben Moshe look like deranged idiots which helps explain why it is so popular with our enemies.
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I think this video shows that she's no friend of ours. The beginning highlights a clip of Chaim talking about problems he had a long time ago. It then shows a music video by the gay group Village People.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg)
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I know this is not going to be a popular opinion with some people here but the first couple of videos she did I thought they were kinda funny and amusing. Now I find her videos to be a little cheap and repetitive. Quite frankly, I don't find them that funny. The more videos she does the more I get the feeling that she's making fun of JTF.
If she supports JTF and supposedly makes pro-JTF videos why would she write: "I am neither pro-JTF nor anti-JTF"? Also why would she be friends with people who hate JTF? Something's not right.
Very well said Serbian Canadian. She would have said: "Yes of course I am pro-JTF!". When Moshe92 asked her if she allegedly supported us then why hasn't she joined the forum she refused to give an answer. Very strange indeed. I seriously question her motives.
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I think this video shows that she's no friend of ours. The beginning highlights a clip of Chaim talking about problems he had a long time ago. It then shows a music video by the gay group Village People.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg)
You are right on target again Moshe92. Why post a video with an audio clip of Chaim referring to his private life with girls followed by the Gay Village People song? Our enemies would latch on to that and claim that Chaim is not straight.
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oh ok...... :o
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When she says that she is not pro-JTF or anti-JTF, I actually believe her. I think she just finds us amusing. I don't take it personally when she pokes fun at me. She has never done a really malicious video against us. She just likes to poke fun at us in a harmless way.
I think her videos are funny and clever. I agree that they are not intended to promote JTF. But as long as the videos are not vicious, what's wrong with having a sense of humor?
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When she says that she is not pro-JTF or anti-JTF, I actually believe her. I think she just finds us amusing. I don't take it personally when she pokes fun at me. She has never done a really malicious video against us. She just likes to poke fun at us in a harmless way.
I think her videos are funny and clever. I agree that they are not intended to promote JTF. But as long as the videos are not vicious, what's wrong with having a sense of humor?
Nothing wrong with having a sense of humor and having fun as I have made 5 comedy videos already very recently.
However brother Chaim I think you are missing the point here. It would be okay if these videos were only viewable by people already familar with the TRUTH of what JTF and Chaim Ben Pesach stand for. However, to the uninitiated who are not familar with the facts about us, her videos can appear very anti-JTF which explains why the ones mentioned above are so popular with our enemies. That is Moshe92's and my concern here.
I think it was very highly inappropriate of her to make that video where you discussed issues with your private life followed by a Gay song by the Village People. I also think that other video "Chaim Ben Pesach: the Brain" although somewhat amusing can be interpreted as anti-JTF as well which is exactly why our enemies like it so much.
I am also very uneasy about her motives and her so-called alleged "neutral" position vis-a-vis JTF as well as her refusal to answer Moshe's questions.
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Yes, we need a more sense of humor around here.....
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When she says that she is not pro-JTF or anti-JTF, I actually believe her. I think she just finds us amusing. I don't take it personally when she pokes fun at me. She has never done a really malicious video against us. She just likes to poke fun at us in a harmless way.
I think her videos are funny and clever. I agree that they are not intended to promote JTF. But as long as the videos are not vicious, what's wrong with having a sense of humor?
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Wait, but I liked her "holding out for a hero" video, that was not making fun of Chaim, at all.
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I think this video shows that she's no friend of ours. The beginning highlights a clip of Chaim talking about problems he had a long time ago. It then shows a music video by the gay group Village People.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg)
She is not hiding that she is not a friend. But she has good ideas, you cant deny that. Your video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvaZoygADAk
Is completely based on her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWyk6iEneC4
I personaly like this her video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7M5FKrGzk
quite inspiring.
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Wait, but I liked her "holding out for a hero" video, that was not making fun of Chaim, at all.
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I agree. I thought the video was good.
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I think this video shows that she's no friend of ours. The beginning highlights a clip of Chaim talking about problems he had a long time ago. It then shows a music video by the gay group Village People.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaZntC8TEg)
She is not hiding that she is not a friend. But she has good ideas, you cant deny that. Your video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvaZoygADAk
Is completely based on her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWyk6iEneC4
I personaly like this her video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7M5FKrGzk
quite inspiring.
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I agree with you completely. Most of her videos are very good.
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