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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 31, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
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Hidden Faggot,
We all know it's you. We know you're using a proxy to pretend to be from Germany (like your perfect English didn't give it away). We all know who you are. How long did you think we wouldn't notice your identity? One would think that if you were gonna ask trollish questions of Chaim on Ask JTF you'd try a little harder to sound original, but I guess not. Nazi morons were never known for their intellect, you being the case in point.
You think you're such a good Christian, Mr. "G-d Bless Adolf Hitler" (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,9753.msg114814.html#msg114814 ; even though I believe you admitted, prior to being banned the first time, that you aren't observant at all)? You think you're serving G-d by making Mel Gibsonesque posts and using links from Nazi sites? Where are your posts about the Christians that are being martyred every day in Muslim Nazi countries? You're nothing but a vile, self-hating worm that just crawled out of the local gay bar. I look forward to Chaim pwning your syphlitic @ss on Ask JTF and then shortly thereafter banning you.
Good riddance, Hidden Author.
Dr. Brennan Fan
(PS: Does your Megan's Law parole agent know you're using a computer?)
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Who's Laughing Sage?
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Check out his question to Chaim in the January 31 Ask JTF thread. I already responded. However, I want him around to hear what Chaim has to say.
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After reading his loaded question to Chaim, it proves that Laughing Sage really is a piece of [censored] floating in the middle of a toilet.
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I want him to hear Chaim's response. If I banned him now, it would just looked like we have something to hide.
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After reading his loaded question to Chaim, it proves that Laughing Sage really is a piece of excrement floating in the middle of a toilet.
Looks like it. I read his question. The pictures he posted looked too small to be read.
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Laughing Drekhead is full of drek today... That antisemitic cannard has been disproven so many times it is tiring. There is nothing in Talmud which suggests that sex with an underage girl is OK. Judaism has strict laws about forbidden relationships and a relationship with a minor is considered such a forbidden relationship.
http://www.sinaicentral.com/jewhaters/defending_the_talmud.htm
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http://www.sinaicentral.com/jewhaters/defending_the_talmud.htm
Questions and Challenges to the Talmud
From the time my dear friend Bob educated me on the need to answer the critics about the Talmud and all of their other complaints, I had wanted to do that. Here and there I put together some material, but was not ready yet for a fuller exposition of the issues. I was after all dealing with people who have no love of Jews, and I was willing to answer many questions, but to go into the Talmud, my beloved Talmud, and explain things about the Talmud to people who have not shown much love for it, was frightening to me. But I recently saw in I believe it was StørmFrønt.org the website for people who usually don't love Jews, that they asked in a very dignified manner why someone is not really answering their questions about the Talmud. I was happy to see that they listed this website, in a very kind manner. This is the second time I have seen my material in StørmFrønt. The other time was about their quoting my material on the Gay Lobby. Also, recently I have received some letters from people who seem very sincere, especially "Judy," so I feel obligated to do a better job, even though I am nervous.
Attacks on the Talmud are claims and quotes that it teaches 1) to steal from gentiles 2) to have sex with children 3) to have no respect for gentiles, in the worst way and 4)the Talmud is attacked for its statements about Christianity and its founder 5) Jewish supremacy.
Here is a letter I wrote recently about the above. I am happy that it was well received by the person I sent it to, so I am not so nervous about putting it here. Anyone who has any comments, criticisms, etc., please let me know. I thank you.
Judy,
Thank you very much for your interest and concern. I will try to answer your concerns here briefly, until I get a larger piece which I hope to post on my jewhaters.com website, when I am able to do so.
I have studied Talmud for fifty years, even more, and the ideas that the Talmud teaches to steal from gentiles, or to have sex with minors, are completely wrong. The Code of Law clearly states that stealing from a gentile is forbidden, as does Maimonides. Maimonides clearly states that one who fools a gentile, even a pagan, with false weights, is an abomination. All codifiers agree on this point. I cannot understand how anyone can say that Talmudists and Orthodox Jews believe in stealing from gentiles. As a matter of fact, the great Rabbi Yehuda the Pious writes that someone cheated from a gentile and his children died and he lost his money as a punishment. Does this sound like the Orthodox Talmudists approve stealing from gentiles?
The Talmud, while proscribing stealing, looks to define it in terms of various of the 613 commands, to categorize it technically. Therefore, certain passages about theft apply to all people and some do not. For instance, we are commanded to return the lost objects of our pagan neighbors, and certainly our gentile neighbors, and we must participate in the community, pay our taxes, and certainly not steal. But if we find a pagan's lost chicken, we do not have to take hours of our time to return it. If, however, we want to be pious and sanctify G-d's Name, we do return it, and it is meritorious to return it, but we are not sinners if we do not return it. Recall also that the pagans of the Talmud and bible were very great sinners and murderers, so that should be part of the discussion. Biblical pagans put their children in metal pots and cooked them for the gods. Nonetheless, we may not steal from them. I have a book written by a Holocaust survivor who discusses at length if Jews in the camps were forbidden to steal from the Nazis. One idea is that stealing from a pagan or very vicious person is forbidden because it damages the character of the one who steals, even if the victim of the theft is totally wicked.
The Talmud has many arguments and statements that are understood by scholars but are not understood by others. For instance, if the Talmud is interested in knowing at what age intercourse is intercourse rather than simply a damage, for reasons important to the Talmud, it has a right to study this, but this is not to infer what the haters do that Orthodox Jews sleep with little children. When, historically, have Orthodox Jews slept with little children? The Talmud maintains that intercourse before the age of three is not intercourse in the sense that the child is no longer a virgin. Virginity is very important and must be defined, but this discussion if intercourse at age four or five destroys virginity does not mean that one may sleep with little children.
Maimonides, and this is quoted in the Code of laws, says that anyone who marries a minor has sinned. How can anyone say that Talmudists and Orthodox Jews believe in having sex with little children?
This applies to sex. But marriage itself may be made with minors. This is because in ancient times and even in some communities in recent times, families looked high and low for the right match for their children. When they found it, they sometimes made the match years before the marriage. In this sense, when parents feared that they would miss a good opportunity for their children, they might make the marriage while the child is young, at least the engagement part, while the actual marriage could wait. If someone married a minor and had sex with her this would not be incest or adultery or fornication, but we don't approve or like it. If there was an emergency, or if someone went ahead and had sex with his young wife, this would not be considered child abuse. Today, we may not understand this, but this is a far cry from saying that the Talmud allows sex with children without marriage.
David Eidensohn
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Here is a good video by a Rabbi discussing how antisemitism is expressed through hatred of the Talmud:
http://rabbidavideidensohn.com/hating_the_talmud.htm
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He was a troll who was banned from the forum before you came (Hidden Author).
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He was a troll who was banned from the forum before you came (Hidden Author).
so does this mean you're going to finally accept that i'm not him?
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I don't know that.
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Check out his question to Chaim in the January 31 Ask JTF thread. I already responded. However, I want him around to hear what Chaim has to say.
I don't know why, but the images automatically re-size when posted. They're all high resolution images.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Judaism/sexwithchildren-talmud01.jpg
Gil Student's website (http://talmud.faithweb.com/) is a good resource that refutes the anti-Semitic lies about the Talmud.
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These are some sick self-hating Christians.
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Hidden Faggot,
We all know it's you. We know you're using a proxy to pretend to be from Germany (like your perfect English didn't give it away). We all know who you are. How long did you think we wouldn't notice your identity? One would think that if you were gonna ask trollish questions of Chaim on Ask JTF you'd try a little harder to sound original, but I guess not. Nazi morons were never known for their intellect, you being the case in point.
You think you're such a good Christian, Mr. "G-d Bless Adolf Hitler" (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,9753.msg114814.html#msg114814 ; even though I believe you admitted, prior to being banned the first time, that you aren't observant at all)? You think you're serving G-d by making Mel Gibsonesque posts and using links from Nazi sites? Where are your posts about the Christians that are being martyred every day in Muslim Nazi countries? You're nothing but a vile, self-hating worm that just crawled out of the local gay bar. I look forward to Chaim pwning your syphlitic @ss on Ask JTF and then shortly thereafter banning you.
Good riddance, Hidden Author.
Dr. Brennan Fan
(PS: Does your Megan's Law parole agent know you're using a computer?)
I think this vile individual is from the Ukraine. Why is he hiding behind proxy servers though?
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He speaks perfect English for a Ukrainian. So did his previous incarnation as HA, who supposedly was from California.
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1. Am I "Hidden Faggot"? If I say Yes or No, it will not matter because you will believe whatever you want to believe.
2. I was curious about the Talmud. In the future, if I have questions about the Talmud, I will consult the links cited in the replies. Obviously I shouldn't bring up controversial issues here. And while I do tend to oppose many of JTF's positions, I thought that JTF is open to the public rather a forum exclusively for supporters. If you don't want me to disagree with you guys and say controversial things, then say so and I will act accordingly!
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1. Am I "Hidden Faggot"? If I say Yes or No, it will not matter because you will believe whatever you want to believe.
2. I was curious about the Talmud. In the future, if I have questions about the Talmud, I will consult the links cited in the replies. Obviously I shouldn't bring up controversial issues here. And while I do tend to oppose many of JTF's positions, I thought that JTF is open to the public rather a forum exclusively for supporters. If you don't want me to disagree with you guys and say controversial things, then say so and I will act accordingly!
This post only proves that you are HA. Enjoy being banned again.
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This post only proves that you are HA. Enjoy being banned again.
I have a gut feeling that you're right based upon the circumstantial evidence.
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I banned Laughing Sage.
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So I was right about my suspicions. ;D
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I banned Laughing Sage.
Thank you very much. The Jews have been suffering for many centuries because of such insinuations against Talmud.
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Nobody could even see the picture he posted, so how can he expect it to be addressed? You need a microscope to see that stuff. Anyway, from what I could see it looked like it was ENGLISH? Yet he claimed it was "scanned from the Talmud" Somebody should inform him and those supposed Muslims he's speaking with that the Talmud is not written in English.
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I'd love a copy of that Talmud w/o the Hebrew and Aramaic! That is not an actual Talmud scan. It's not like I have years of time in Yeshiva down, but I have picked up a book or two. Ani mevin katsat Ivrit loh kolkah tov, so it's always the first thing I see when I open the Talmud volumes... brickwall. Only a portion of the pages texts should be in English, if at all.
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I'd love a copy of that Talmud w/o the Hebrew and Aramaic! That is not an actual Talmud scan. It's not like I have years of time in Yeshiva down, but I have picked up a book or two. Ani mevin katsat Ivrit loh kolkah tov, so it's always the first thing I see when I open the Talmud volumes... brickwall. Only a portion of the pages texts should be in English, if at all.
If you know basic Hebrew, it might be a good idea to study Talmud in Hebrew and Aramaic using a Jastrow dictionary. You might also want to look at the Steinsaltz Talmud edition which has vowels and punctuation added in.
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I'd love a copy of that Talmud w/o the Hebrew and Aramaic! That is not an actual Talmud scan. It's not like I have years of time in Yeshiva down, but I have picked up a book or two. Ani mevin katsat Ivrit loh kolkah tov, so it's always the first thing I see when I open the Talmud volumes... brickwall. Only a portion of the pages texts should be in English, if at all.
If you know basic Hebrew, it might be a good idea to study Talmud in Hebrew and Aramaic using a Jastrow dictionary. You might also want to look at the Steinsaltz Talmud edition which has vowels and punctuation added in.
And of course the Artscroll series which has published English translations of the Talmud, but it is of course better to at least couple that learning with a direct teacher-to-student learning of the text without translation because you want to develop an ability to grapple with the text and not always have to rely on artscroll translation or be spoonfed the understanding like they basically give you (they inescapably incorporate commentary and explanation -based on different rishonim - into the basic translation since the Talmud itself is usually very terse but packed with information and underlying discussion that is not explicitly written or not right away understood without additional commentary/explanation beyond the literal word-for-word meanings. And without explanation a word-for-word translation can leave a person clueless as to what is being said). That being said, it is still a great way for beginners to become immersed in Talmud and see many subjects quickly while building on the skills to learn independent of a spoonfed translation.
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The late and great Ronen Nachman educated me on this anti-semitic canard about Jews and raping three year olds that you see all over YT. of course it's ridiculous, but I wondered why was I seeing the same anti-semitic line. Anyway, for those of you who have seen that trash, the Talmud quote is about the legal PUNISHMENT for a man who rapes a child under the age of 3. The Talmud asks whether or not the PUNISHMENT should be different for the rape of a minor under vs. over 3 years of age. That passage of the Talmud is not about permission to rape but about the severity of the PUNISHMENT for rape!