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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on May 10, 2007, 07:16:53 AM
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Everyone has an option to vote twice only because some people might be a combination of two things. Enjoy.
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Wow, i was just expecting one choice....simply...Jew. :D
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Wow, i was just expecting one choice....simply...Jew. :D
Well for purposes of this Jewish movement, I would be curious to how many non-orthodox Jews were participating in jtf.
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Well yup...but you didn't have a choice for Ashkenazi....
Anyways, I'm Conservative.
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Well yup...but you didn't have a choice for Ashkenazi....
Anyways, I'm Conservative.
Me too!
hi-five! but only because i go to conservative temples..but i'm sephardic..
but by ashkanazi...you have lots of choices up there...for sephardic..there isn't orthodox, conservative etc..it's just sephardic. Ashkanazi you can be any of the above.
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OK, I'm confused, probably by my own ignorance.
Hassidic and Lubovitch are both "Orthodox" Judaism, right?
What is the difference between an "Orthodox" Jew and a "Modern Orthodox Jew"?
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OK, I'm confused, probably by my own ignorance.
Hassidic and Lubovitch are both "Orthodox" Judaism, right?
What is the difference between an "Orthodox" Jew and a "Modern Orthodox Jew"?
The distinction is superficial, not substantive.
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Mizhari Jew
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Born again Christians do not call themselves Protestant. Protestant is a denomination that most born again Christians reject. There are born again Baptists, Pentecostal Christians, and others who simply prefer the term Christian with no denomination. But born again Protestants would be a rare breed.
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I have a problem with this one.
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew, don't let people think different, the labels are just window dressing.
And if you're not a Jew, you're a Noachide i.e. Son of Noah so that's everyone else.
But you're a Chrisitan you say? That just means you're a Noachide practicing Chrisitanity. Being a Noachide isn't something you choose to do, you're just born a son of Noah if you're mother's a son of Noach, just like you're a Jew if you're mother's a Jew. Most people don't understand this.
The only question is are you a "Noachide Chassid" i.e. a practicing or devout Noachide i.e you beleive in the whole Torah and committed to practicing you're part of it...the 7 Noachide laws.
P.S. Even Jews are all sons of Noah, we're just sons of Jacob also that's why we're called the children of Israel (Bnei Yisroel).
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I hear your point Lubab. It's comments like this that makes me like Lubavitch. They are the only religious group which recognizes non religious Jews as human beings. And the fact that they share many beliefs with kahanists doesn't hurt either.
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I think Lubab is incorrect. A Noahide is not the same as a Christian although it might be possible for a Christian to be a Noahide. They are different religions with completely different beliefs. Yes, everyone is the "son of Noah" but that's not what a Noahide means, it means someone who practices the 7 laws of Noah and nothing else.
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No Lubab is correct. Noahides are Christians but those who follow the seven commandment for gentiles.
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There is a difference between a Noahide and someone who follows a religion that includes the 7 Noahide principles. A Christian can theoretically follow Noahidism, but they are Christian and define themselves as Christian. A Noahide is someone that only follows the Noahide laws and nothing else and they define themselves as Noahides.
It is really a play on words and is hard to explain. In the poll, a Noahide refers to a pure Noahide. That's what I'm trying to say.
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Born again Christians do not call themselves Protestant. Protestant is a denomination that most born again Christians reject. There are born again Baptists, Pentecostal Christians, and others who simply prefer the term Christian with no denomination. But born again Protestants would be a rare breed.
I selected "Born Again Protestant" because this was the closest to what I am, and is technically true and accurate. But I don't like the term; Jimmy is right. I would have much preferred a generic "Christian".
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Jdl4Ever:
You're talking about what people PRACTICE (and in practice of course you are right that being a Christian is different from following the 7 laws). But I was trying to explain that being a Noachide is something you are born into and not something you need to practice to be. It has to do with who you're mother was. If she was a Bat Noach, you are a Noachide. If she was Jewish you're Jewish. Those are the only two options. What you PRACTICE is another story. But it's important to have you're terminology right.
People have come to think that only one who follows the Noachide laws is a Noachide but that's not really true. That's just an observant Noachide or in the language of the Rabbis one of the "Chassidei Umos HaOlam" what I call a Noachide CHASSID.
Just like when we says someone is an observant Jew. He's a Jew by birth, and if he chooses to practice Judaism that's another story. Even if he doesn't practice the commandments of Judaism he's just as much a Jew by virtue of who his parents are. So too, even if a Noachide doesn't practice his laws, he's still a Noachide.
This is the way Chazal (Talmudic Rabbis) use these terms and I think it's important for us to know.
P.S. Thanks downwithIslam. When it comes to Israel I think the Rebbe and Kahane were really on the same page.
The Rebbe will always be my leader, but I will help JTF make a stand against the threats to Israel's existence because Jewish lives are at stake.
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Born again Christian
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OK, I'm confused, probably by my own ignorance.
Hassidic and Lubovitch are both "Orthodox" Judaism, right?
What is the difference between an "Orthodox" Jew and a "Modern Orthodox Jew"?
pardon my ignorance, you are right...what I meant by Hassidic was non-Lubavitch Hassidic Jew
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I hear your point Lubab. It's comments like this that makes me like Lubavitch. They are the only religious group which recognizes non religious Jews as human beings. And the fact that they share many beliefs with kahanists doesn't hurt either.
I love theLubavitch too...such nice people and so joyous and proud Jews.
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You should have put the Samartians who are infact the lost tribes of Israel not the Anglo-baffoons, or the Negro-bafoons. I think their a Jewish sect just my two cents
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I don't like the term "Modern Orthodox." It reminds me too much of Kahane's term "Moderdox." I would have preferred "Chardal Jew" or "Religious Zionist Jew." But I said it anyway...
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I put "modern orthodox" for myself but I prefer the term "Orthodox Mitnaged Jew" since I think "modern orthodox" is too ambiguous.
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I put "modern orthodox" for myself but I prefer the term "Orthodox Mitnaged Jew" since I think "modern orthodox" is too ambiguous.
I didnt really know what to put myself under. IM somewhere in between orthodox, and mordern orthodox. I dont wear a black hat, and white shirt, and black suit, but I do wear kippah, and tzitzit, and learn everyday. I picked orthodox.
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Hmm... no Stinky Muslims yet...
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Hmm... no Stinky Muslims yet...
Maybe they are scared to show their faces.
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You should have put the Samartians who are infact the lost tribes of Israel not the Anglo-baffoons, or the Negro-bafoons. I think their a Jewish sect just my two cents
But there are so few Samartians i doubt any ever heard of JTF.
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Its not "hinud" its hindu
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Its not "hinud" its hindu
thank you for catching that Ashish, sorry for the mispselling..I take it you are Hendi.. :)
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Sefardic and Mizrahi are the same. (and they(we) are all Orthodox)
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OK, I'm confused, probably by my own ignorance.
Hassidic and Lubovitch are both "Orthodox" Judaism, right?
pardon my ignorance, you are right...what I meant by Hassidic was non-Lubavitch Hassidic Jew
Which is Chabad?
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OK, I'm confused, probably by my own ignorance.
Hassidic and Lubovitch are both "Orthodox" Judaism, right?
pardon my ignorance, you are right...what I meant by Hassidic was non-Lubavitch Hassidic Jew
Which is Chabad?
Chabad I believe is Lubovitch.
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Which is Chabad?
http://www.chabad.org
They are Orthodox but they believe that Torah should be lived with simcha (joy) and have some esoteric foundations. I listened to some tapes (the first 34 of them) called "Introducing the Principles of Chabad Chassidic Philosophy" by Rabbi Shlomo Majeski and they were terrific and very profound.
If I remember correctly, Feldheim and ArtScroll are both Chabad.
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Surprising! If you don't mind saying, who in here is Buddhist or Hindu? There are 2 votes there.
Buddhist's are good people... lots of righteous gentiles there. I don't know enough about Hinduism to sound intelligent on the matter.
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Which is Chabad?
http://www.chabad.org
They are Orthodox but they believe that Torah should be lived with simcha (joy) and have some esoteric foundations. I listened to some tapes (the first 34 of them) called "Introducing the Principles of Chabad Chassidic Philosophy" by Rabbi Shlomo Majeski and they were terrific and very profound.
If I remember correctly, Feldheim and ArtScroll are both Chabad.
What's the difference between Hasidic and Lubovitch?
What do you mean by ArtScroll?
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i am hindu.Hindus are peace loving people too :P
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i am hindu.Hindus are peace loving people too :P
Welcome ASHISH! I see you are new and I'd like to welcome you to the forum.
I am so glad to see you joining in with us too. This is very good.
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i am hindu.Hindus are peace loving people too :P
Welcome ASHISH! I see you are new and I'd like to welcome you to the forum.
I am so glad to see you joining in with us too. This is very good.
Tell your friends...Come again ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D... You know we love you.
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You may be a peace loving person and so may your fellow hindu communities ashish and i welcome you to this forum.....but why the hell are you a hindu? I'm just honestly asking because maybe you could explain the religions wisdom beyond the idol worshipping.
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You may be a peace loving person and so may your fellow hindu communities ashish and i welcome you to this forum.....but why the hell are you a hindu? I'm just honestly asking because maybe you could explain the religions wisdom beyond the idol worshipping.
and i suspect you are a ****** muslim >:(.Do you have problem with hindus?
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You may be a peace loving person and so may your fellow hindu communities ashish and i welcome you to this forum.....but why the hell are you a hindu? I'm just honestly asking because maybe you could explain the religions wisdom beyond the idol worshipping.
and i suspect you are a [censored] muslim >:(.Do you have problem with hindus?
hey hey hey hey...no cursing on this forum.. Engage in an intellectual discussion and answer her question or refute as kindly as she asked.
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My problem why does she consider her religion superior to others like muslims.I have seen jews praying in front of wall did i say anything?I respect all religion(except islam).
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My problem why does she consider her religion superior to others like muslims.I have seen jews praying in front of wall did i say anything?I respect all religion(except islam).
When did she consider her religion to be superior? The way i see it is that she wanted to understand how you viewed hinduism and a visible figure of god.
I personally believe that whatever works for you in worship works for you just as what I do works for me and what works for sarah works for her.
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DANNY these lines "I'm just honestly asking because maybe you could explain the religions wisdom beyond the idol worshipping" are used by muslims against hindus that we live in dark ages because we are idol worshipers so i thought she was a muslim.
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I personally believe that whatever works for you in worship works for you just as what I do works for me and what works for sarah works for her.
If Sarah is still a Muslim, then what works for her doesn't work for us - because we're not Muslims, and Islam is the religion of intolerance.
Hinduism, on the other hand, is a supremely tolerant religion.
And, yes, Sarah did step out of line. Ashish is a new poster and right away she's asking him "what the hell" he worships "idols" for.
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DANNY these lines "I'm just honestly asking because maybe you could explain the religions wisdom beyond the idol worshipping" are used by muslims against hindus that we live in dark ages because we are idol worshipers so i thought she was a muslim.
I apologize..i didn't read into the comment that Sarah made and look at it that way...You can just say that insults sometimes bounce off of me rather than get to me...but I am sorry..i didn't know she was doing that. Please resume your ranting..sorry i got in the middle.
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Sarah ran away she was trying to cause rift between hindus and jews these are characteristics of muslim ;D
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Sarah ran away she was trying to cause rift between hindus and jews these are characteristics of muslim ;D
Sarah has never seemed to me to be teh typical Muslim poster since she herself is anti-muslim. If what she said was meant to do what you claim, then there is a bit of Muslim still in her.
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Sarah is a Noahide, not a Muslim.
I don't know about a Noahide. I personally think that she's just a very confused young woman, as she has every right to be given her circumstances, and given this crazy, mixed-up world.
One of our posters recently mentioned that he's from the Lake District in Britain. The Lake District is famous as the home of William Wordsworth. Wordsworth, unlike Fruit, was a real poet, who once said that "the world is too much with us."
Despite tonight's tiff and her apparent retreat, I hope that Sarah won't be gone for long.
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I didn't retreat! :D Nor did i mean to start an arguement, i'm sorry ashish if i offended you. I just can't come to terms with any polytheistic religion and was asking how you could possibly believe in one as such.
I'm not a muslim. I maybe confused but im not a muslim and like Yacov said im a noachide.
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Ok sarah no need to comment on others religion.You like judaism fine but dont hate other religion like christanity,hinduism,buddhism etc.You see this the diffrence between non muslims and muslims.We are tolerant and they are not i can go anywhere and pray to any god because i know god is everywhere.The blood of muslims boil when they see a temple or a church dont become like them and respect all religion
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Roman Catholic
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Ok sarah no need to comment on others religion.You like judaism fine but dont hate other religion like christanity,hinduism,buddhism etc.You see this the diffrence between non muslims and muslims.We are tolerant and they are not i can go anywhere and pray to any G-d because i know G-d is everywhere.The blood of muslims boil when they see a temple or a church dont become like them and respect all religion
I do not hate Christianity at all nor buddhism because they don't worship idols. Neither do i hate hinduism,, i am completely tolerable of the religion and hindus contribute positively to most things. WHY ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT MUSLIMS!!? I'm not one and you don't have to remind me about their intolerance. I don't understand your ideology of God! Maybe if you tried explaining it, it would help....
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I'm a searching agnostic Jew.
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I'm a searching agnostic Jew.
What do you need to convince you? Are you searching to overcome doubt yourself? :)
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I'm a searching agnostic Jew.
What do you need to convince you? Are you searching to overcome doubt yourself? :)
Yes, you can say that. I'm a former peacenick who has drastically changed my views over the past few years as a result of what's been happening in Israel and because of my experiences with anti-zionist jews. They are actually the ones that are more responsible for pushing me more to the right than JTF.
For me personally, I don't find it so easy to come up with simple opinions and solutions for complex issues. I am constantly looking at both sides of the issue and my views can change based on what I read, view, and experience.
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I'm a Christian woman currently looking for a church home.
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I'm a searching agnostic Jew.
What do you need to convince you? Are you searching to overcome doubt yourself? :)
Yes, you can say that. I'm a former peacenick who has drastically changed my views over the past few years as a result of what's been happening in Israel and because of my experiences with anti-zionist jews. They are actually the ones that are more responsible for pushing me more to the right than JTF.
For me personally, I don't find it so easy to come up with simple opinions and solutions for complex issues. I am constantly looking at both sides of the issue and my views can change based on what I read, view, and experience.
Thats exactly the position i'm in and because my opinions keep changing i sometimes wonder if there is any truth at all!
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I'm a searching agnostic Jew.
What do you need to convince you? Are you searching to overcome doubt yourself? :)
Yes, you can say that. I'm a former peacenick who has drastically changed my views over the past few years as a result of what's been happening in Israel and because of my experiences with anti-zionist jews. They are actually the ones that are more responsible for pushing me more to the right than JTF.
For me personally, I don't find it so easy to come up with simple opinions and solutions for complex issues. I am constantly looking at both sides of the issue and my views can change based on what I read, view, and experience.
Thats exactly the position i'm in and because my opinions keep changing i sometimes wonder if there is any truth at all!
Sarah, the only truth in this universe is G-d... Everything else in the world are -isms. And -isms are only good in the hands of rational people even if they are different -isms. Note, there is no such thing as Islamism..it's just Islam...so there is no truth in Islam. But there is Judaism, Protestantism, Catholocism, Hinduism..therefore, if one chooses to follow one those truths and they are rational people...it's all good..:)
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I wish it worked that way but it doesn't. Yes there is definity a GOD but nearly all the -isms contradict themselves and clash on a hell of a lot of issues. You can't just turn a blind eye to these contradictions and logical answers don't come as easy when you are trying to work out the almost fairy-tale like stories regarding the prophets and miracles.
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I wish it worked that way but it doesn't. Yes there is definity a G-d but nearly all the -isms contradict themselves and clash on a hell of a lot of issues. You can't just turn a blind eye to these contradictions and logical answers don't come as easy when you are trying to work out the almost fairy-tale like stories regarding the prophets and miracles.
Sarah, there are so many nations in the world. And each nation looks at the same building. But each corner of the building has a different color. If one nation says the building is white, from their angle, it is true..But anothe rnation will on one side and see it is black..and in fact it is black. Both are correct.