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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: admin on May 13, 2007, 03:25:42 AM
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I just sent Fruit the following E-mail. I made his ban expire. He is no longer banned.
This is Yacov Menashe.
I didn't approve of your banning. It was jeffguy that did it. I want to let you back on JTF. But you have to promise that you will respect white women.
Yacov Menashe.
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Thank you.
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Yacov, I completely disagree with your decision. The poster in question wrote things that should be intolerable on ANY forum. He called for the mass murder of white women and of Christians, and said all types of dirty and pornographic things after being repeatedly warned. His views on blacks and blondes and white women are simply insane, and he gives this forum an aura of insanity.
I told Chaim on Friday that he was banned, and Chaim agreed with the decision. Jeffguy took action that I should have taken a long time ago.
The person who should come back is Yephora. She left because she could not stand Fruit's vulgarity and hatred of whites and Christians. She was a true quality poster.
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Jimmy, I barely knew Yephora, but with all due respect to her, one disagreeable poster shouldn't be a reason to abandon us. It was pretty obvious that he (FOTL) did not speak for JTF and basically was our resident "class clown" or comic relief. I did not like some posters either when I joined (Adam613, and Sarah when she was still a Muslim), but I sure as heck didn't let them deter me.
Anyway, let's give Fruit a last chance and see what he does with it. Chaimfan
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I just sent Fruit the following E-mail. I made his ban expire. He is no longer banned.
This is Yacov Menashe.
I didn't approve of your banning. It was jeffguy that did it. I want to let you back on JTF. But you have to promise that you will respect white women.
Yacov Menashe.
>:( >:( >:( He will only give this forum a bad name again
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I will no longer function as Moderator on this forum. This is totally unacceptable.
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I will no longer function as Moderator on this forum. This is totally unacceptable.
Give him a second chance, at least a few days. It is possible he won't want to post with the risk of being banned.
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I just sent Fruit the following E-mail. I made his ban expire. He is no longer banned.
This is Yacov Menashe.
I didn't approve of your banning. It was jeffguy that did it. I want to let you back on JTF. But you have to promise that you will respect white women.
Yacov Menashe.
>:( >:( >:( He will only give this forum a bad name again
It was not only jeffguy that saw that Fruits post were getting increasingly more bazaar. jeffguy saw that this was becoming a detriment to the forum and tried to do the right thing. I was surprised to see that they unbanned Fruit or for that matter unbanned him so soon. Lets give him a chance and see if he returns and acts responsibly. If he starts with the same nutty stuff in the volume like before I hope that he is removed and this time more permanently. Lets not let this become an argument among the forum members its not worth it.
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I will no longer function as Moderator on this forum. This is totally unacceptable.
Give him a second chance, at least a few days. It is possible he won't want to post with the risk of being banned.
The banning of Fruit was done in a way that does not warrant a second chance. He was given numerous chances prior to banning.
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I will no longer function as Moderator on this forum. This is totally unacceptable.
Give him a second chance, at least a few days. It is possible he won't want to post with the risk of being banned.
The banning of Fruit was done in a way that does not warrant a second chance. He was given numerous chances prior to banning.
Yes everything possible was done to avoid banning him. In fact his posts actually got worse after the warning.
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I will no longer function as Moderator on this forum. This is totally unacceptable.
Give him a second chance, at least a few days. It is possible he won't want to post with the risk of being banned.
The banning of Fruit was done in a way that does not warrant a second chance. He was given numerous chances prior to banning.
Yes everything possible was done to avoid banning him. In fact his posts actually got worse after the warning.
That's actually 110% correct, he did get worse.
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I will no longer function as Moderator on this forum. This is totally unacceptable.
Give him a second chance, at least a few days. It is possible he won't want to post with the risk of being banned.
The banning of Fruit was done in a way that does not warrant a second chance. He was given numerous chances prior to banning.
Yes everything possible was done to avoid banning him. In fact his posts actually got worse after the warning.
That's actually 110% correct, he did get worse.
Is he an elaborate troll who has been stringing the movement along for ages?
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Why unban him? He's not going to post anything except for crap about white women with black men. That's all that he really does. He's not cut out for this board.
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I missed some of his last posts, so I don't know exactly what got him banned at the end. He could be funny, but many of his posts caused my eyes to glaze over and go "next." But what worries me more about him coming back is the possible problems with people like Allen-T and Jeffguy, who, after a long time of not posting, came back and became an administrator. Those are possible hard feelings that I hope to avoid. With Fruit, he I could take or leave him.
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With the unbanning of FOTL, I must regret to report that I will no longer be a moderator on this forum.
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Please re-ban him, Yacov, it is clear that you will lose support with this.
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I've added a poll to this topic, to see how many people think fruit should be re-banned.
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I've added a poll to this topic, to see how many people think fruit should be re-banned.
I do if it will stop Allen-T and yourself being mods
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Yacov recently deleted one of my messages, in which I accused him of posting long, dumb questions to Chaim in violation of his own rules. I called it "making rules with one hand and breaking them with the other."
Now he has un-banned a maladjusted loner troll whom Yacov happens to like but who has endangered the integrity of this forum - and more than the integrity of this forum - by threatening the mass murder of young white women.
Nor has Yacov learned his own lesson. Check out his latest burning question to Chaim on the salvation of America, Israel and Western civilization:
Would you ever break the white part of an egg off a hard boiled egg at the seder and eat it after it was touching the yellow part or do you just eat egg whites that are sold separately as only egg whites?
Oy vey!
And here is Yacov's "question" for May 20th:
You said your sister is two years younger than you. So why does she only have one son at her age? [Yacov, please....]
How old was she when she got married?
How old is her husband?
Is this her first marriage?
Why don't they move to Israel if you believe all Jews should live in Israel?
Would your prefer if all Jews moved to Israel even if you were left all alone as the only Jew left in The Exile?
Do your mother and sister ever go to Israel?
Did your father ever go to Israel?
How did your mom's family end up here while others from her family ended up in Israel?
What year did you father leave Peru and move to The [the] United States?
What year did he marry your mother?
And here is Jimmy's indulgence for Yacov:
How did your father have the English name Paul if he was from Poland? Why didn't he have just a Hebrew or Yiddish name there? Have you considered pressing charges against the affirmative action doctors you said are responsible for his death? Did he have heart problems? My maternal grandfather (Murray/Menachem Mendel) died when he was almost 91 in the hospital a few weeks after he had a heart attack. He got sick from the catheterization procedure. I noticed that some of the nurses that kept coming to his room were black men with tattoos. Do you think these types of nurses are unqualified? My grandfather was thin so maybe that is why he lived to be 90. He was so thin that if you touched his arms, you could feel his bones.
Since I asked you about your family, I will tell you about mine. I'm 25 years old. My birthday is December 6 and the Hebrew date is 10 Kislev. I have one sister and no brothers. My sister's name is Nina and her Hebrew name is Sima Tfacha (Apple in Iraqi, after the name of my great grandmother who I told you had blonde hair and blue eyes.). She is 22 and her birthday is October 31 (I believe the Hebrew date is 5 Cheshvan.). My mom's name is Judi and her Hebrew name is Esther Chana. They don't agree with me on my political opinions or with JTF's opinions. My dad's only name is Rachamim and he is named after his paternal grandfather (Tfacha's husband.). My dad agrees with me on some political issues more than my sister and mom who are hardcore Leftists. My sister says my involvement in JTF would ruin her chances for political office if she ever ran but I told her I wouldn't vote for her anyway because she's Jewish and because she's a Leftist. My parents are divorced.
Yacov, as I said before, nobody cares about your very not interesting life. We're here for much more important reasons than to hear you drone on about nonsense, and defend psycopaths who represent a genuine danger to our organization.
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I'll be very interested to hear how yacov responds to the above post.
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Yacov recently deleted one of my messages, in which I accused him of posting long, dumb questions to Chaim in violation of his own rules. I called it "making rules with one hand and breaking them with the other."
Now he has un-banned a maladjusted loner troll whom Yacov happens to like but who has endangered the integrity of this forum - and more than the integrity of this forum - by threatening the mass murder of young white women.
Nor has Yacov learned his own lesson. Check out his latest burning question to Chaim on the salvation of America, Israel and Western civilization:
Would you ever break the white part of an egg off a hard boiled egg at the seder and eat it after it was touching the yellow part or do you just eat egg whites that are sold separately as only egg whites?
Oy vey!
And here is Yacov's "question" for May 20th:
You said your sister is two years younger than you. So why does she only have one son at her age? [Yacov, please....]
How old was she when she got married?
How old is her husband?
Is this her first marriage?
Why don't they move to Israel if you believe all Jews should live in Israel?
Would your prefer if all Jews moved to Israel even if you were left all alone as the only Jew left in The Exile?
Do your mother and sister ever go to Israel?
Did your father ever go to Israel?
How did your mom's family end up here while others from her family ended up in Israel?
What year did you father leave Peru and move to The [the] United States?
What year did he marry your mother?
And here is Jimmy's indulgence for Yacov:
How did your father have the English name Paul if he was from Poland? Why didn't he have just a Hebrew or Yiddish name there? Have you considered pressing charges against the affirmative action doctors you said are responsible for his death? Did he have heart problems? My maternal grandfather (Murray/Menachem Mendel) died when he was almost 91 in the hospital a few weeks after he had a heart attack. He got sick from the catheterization procedure. I noticed that some of the nurses that kept coming to his room were black men with tattoos. Do you think these types of nurses are unqualified? My grandfather was thin so maybe that is why he lived to be 90. He was so thin that if you touched his arms, you could feel his bones.
Since I asked you about your family, I will tell you about mine. I'm 25 years old. My birthday is December 6 and the Hebrew date is 10 Kislev. I have one sister and no brothers. My sister's name is Nina and her Hebrew name is Sima Tfacha (Apple in Iraqi, after the name of my great grandmother who I told you had blonde hair and blue eyes.). She is 22 and her birthday is October 31 (I believe the Hebrew date is 5 Cheshvan.). My mom's name is Judi and her Hebrew name is Esther Chana. They don't agree with me on my political opinions or with JTF's opinions. My dad's only name is Rachamim and he is named after his paternal grandfather (Tfacha's husband.). My dad agrees with me on some political issues more than my sister and mom who are hardcore Leftists. My sister says my involvement in JTF would ruin her chances for political office if she ever ran but I told her I wouldn't vote for her anyway because she's Jewish and because she's a Leftist. My parents are divorced.
Yacov, as I said before, nobody cares about your very not interesting life. We're here for much more important reasons than to hear you drone on about nonsense, and defend psycopaths who represent a genuine danger to our organization.
With all due respect, you have 24 posts and you are not an asset to this movement as much as Yacov.
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ugh...fruit...why bother!? if you want entertainment, turn on the TV or just watch cleopatra mmmm hmmm..
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With all due respect, you have 24 posts and you are not an asset to this movement as much as Yacov.
It's not the number but the quality. I'd rather have a few good ones than a plethora which make me look foolish.
Also, I've been a supporter of JTF for many years, mostly financial. That's how I'm so familiar with the organization.
I live in Manhattan and I distinctly remember the evening in 1993 when I was channel-surfing through the public access stations and came on Sarah and Yosef. It changed my life. Chaim was still on parole then, but he came on the show soon afterward and there was no stopping me from supporting JTF.
Yacov is dedicated but he's making a lot of bad decisions, which I'm pointing out to him for everybody's good, including his own.
Guess what? It's not that hard to put up a forum on the internet. But it is hard to make it something which people will admire when they come to it. And people won't admire endless, inane questions; obsessive discussions of racial history; arbitrary rules and bannings; and - last but not least - the toleration of obvious trolls like Fruit, whose only purpose is stink up the place with black organs and other pornography, as well as alarming threats of physical violence against helpless victims.
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With all due respect, you have 24 posts and you are not an asset to this movement as much as Yacov.
It's not the number but the quality. I'd rather have a few good ones than a plethora which make me look foolish.
Also, I've been a supporter of JTF for many years, mostly financial. That's how I'm so familiar with the organization.
I live in Manhattan and I distinctly remember the evening in 1993 when I was channel-surfing through the public access stations and came on Sarah and Yosef. It changed my life. Chaim was still on parole then, but he came on the show soon afterward and there was no stopping me from supporting JTF.
Yacov is dedicated but he's making a lot of bad decisions, which I'm pointing out to him for everybody's good, including his own.
Guess what? It's not that hard to put up a forum on the internet. But it is hard to make it something which people will admire when they come to it. And people won't admire endless, inane questions; obsessive discussions of racial history; arbitrary rules and bannings; and - last but not least - the toleration of obvious trolls like Fruit, whose only purpose is stink up the place with black organs and other pornography, as well as alarming threats of physical violence against helpless victims.
Good points. I see your point of view, and I want Fruit banned again too.
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Good points. I see your point of view, and I want Fruit banned again too.
Thanks for letting me make them. I'm glad that we had a chance to discuss the issue.
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Me too. I wonder what Yacov will say to this...
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Well, judging from the listed reasons why he was banned, I voted for the former.
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Dissenter, keep at it. I loved your posts on this topic.
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With all due respect, you have 24 posts and you are not an asset to this movement as much as Yacov.
It's not the number but the quality. I'd rather have a few good ones than a plethora which make me look foolish.
Also, I've been a supporter of JTF for many years, mostly financial. That's how I'm so familiar with the organization.
I live in Manhattan and I distinctly remember the evening in 1993 when I was channel-surfing through the public access stations and came on Sarah and Yosef. It changed my life. Chaim was still on parole then, but he came on the show soon afterward and there was no stopping me from supporting JTF.
Yacov is dedicated but he's making a lot of bad decisions, which I'm pointing out to him for everybody's good, including his own.
Guess what? It's not that hard to put up a forum on the internet. But it is hard to make it something which people will admire when they come to it. And people won't admire endless, inane questions; obsessive discussions of racial history; arbitrary rules and bannings; and - last but not least - the toleration of obvious trolls like Fruit, whose only purpose is stink up the place with black organs and other pornography, as well as alarming threats of physical violence against helpless victims.
Yacov started this forum after defending JTF on various forums for years. That's more than anyone else did. Leave him alone.
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FOTL is going to screw up this forum even more and no one will want to join. This is a bad move Yacov.
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If he starts with his White women bashing I will dicredit all his posts. Sorry, FOTL is mentally unballanced and has contibuted nothing to this forum except his rants against White women. Sorry, I dont come on here to read about some guy being sexually frustrated.
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Guys there's more than one way to do this. Consider offering him a probation with conditions, or limiting his number of daily posts, or only giving him access to certain parts of the forum. I don't know, let's be creative so the whole organization doesn't have to be divided over so petty an issue.
Those of you mods threatening to leave over this, I think are going too far. Keep the real goals of our movement in sight please.
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Not that he has posted or been active since being unbanned
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Guys there's more than one way to do this. Consider offering him a probation with conditions, or limiting his number of daily posts, or only giving him access to certain parts of the forum. I don't know, let's be creative so the whole organization doesn't have to be divided over so petty an issue.
Those of you mods threatening to leave over this, I think are going too far. Keep the real goals of our movement in sight please.
It's because I keep the goals of the movement in focus I am pursuing this. This is absolutely insane. What difference does it make what he posts now. We all know what he is about, is this someone we want associated with this organisation? Let me ask you, if he started spouting his demented ideas in a synagogue or a church what would happen? I am saying that I don't want anything to do with a forum that is a circus sideshow. I am a very busy person, I spend X amount of time supporting things I believe in. By letting this character back on the forum it is ensuring that I will have to WASTE time going over his often VERY LONG rants. This isn't a forum worth a damn if such trash is tolerated. It's not a threat, it's how I genuinely feel.
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Fine, make Yacov take the responsibility to read all of Fruit's posts to make sure they don't violate the rules.
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Guys there's more than one way to do this. Consider offering him a probation with conditions, or limiting his number of daily posts, or only giving him access to certain parts of the forum. I don't know, let's be creative so the whole organization doesn't have to be divided over so petty an issue.
Those of you mods threatening to leave over this, I think are going too far. Keep the real goals of our movement in sight please.
It's because I keep the goals of the movement in focus I am pursuing this. This is absolutely insane. What difference does it make what he posts now. We all know what he is about, is this someone we want associated with this organization? Let me ask you, if he started spouting his demented ideas in a synagogue or a church what would happen? I am saying that I don't want anything to do with a forum that is a circus sideshow. I am a very busy person, I spend X amount of time supporting things I believe in. By letting this character back on the forum it is ensuring that I will have to WASTE time going over his often VERY LONG rants. This isn't a forum worth a damn if such trash is tolerated. It's not a threat, it's how I genuinely feel.
I know how you feel Allen-T. You have put a lot of time and effort into JTF. Having FOTL back will ruin the forum. It will drive away posters and potential members. It was amusing at first, but my G-d. Over and over again with White women. It gets to the point where it drives you insane. Two or three pages of diatribe against Caucasian women. FOTL needs to get a life or go into a mental asylum. I'm being honest. I really do think he is insane. He seems to me that he will be the U.K.'s version of Ted Bundy very soon. Again Yakov over half of this forum does not want him back. Please take that into consideration.
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Yeah, seems that the majority doesn't want him back, so you should re ban him to make everyone happy.
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FOTL contributes to nothing except bordem for me...Yaacov..come on...ban him again, please...he's not funny..there is nothing good about what he has to say...just get rid of him.
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Fine, make Yacov take the responsibility to read all of Fruit's posts to make sure they don't violate the rules.
What? Yacov is the one who unbanned him! Yacov clearly has a set of rules I, Jeffguy,ftf and Jimmy disagree with. So what would that accomplish?
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I would like to suggest that everyone in favor of bringing him back go read Eldridge Cleaver's book Soul On Ice. He was the Minister of Information of The Black Panter Party who did time in jail for TNB. He writes in his book about the psychology of the black man in regards to raping white women. He was a rapist. If you read this book you will see that FOTL's writings have this psychology stamped all over them. He is a [censored].
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Allen, add me to that list.
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I just sent Fruit the following E-mail. I made his ban expire. He is no longer banned.
This is Yacov Menashe.
I didn't approve of your banning. It was jeffguy that did it. I want to let you back on JTF. But you have to promise that you will respect white women.
Yacov Menashe.
Wow. Yacov, this was very disrespectful to me. I am in shock. I have always defended you and your decisions.
Now, if I tell someone to behave, what effect will it have? Will they take me seriously?
PLEASE, moderators... DON'T LEAVE. Please... hang in there until we work this out.
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I just sent Fruit the following E-mail. I made his ban expire. He is no longer banned.
This is Yacov Menashe.
I didn't approve of your banning. It was jeffguy that did it. I want to let you back on JTF. But you have to promise that you will respect white women.
Yacov Menashe.
Wow. Yacov, this was very disrespectful to me. I am in shock. I have always defended you and your decisions.
Now, if I tell someone to behave, what effect will it have? Will they take me seriously?
PLEASE, moderators... DON'T LEAVE. Please... hang in there until we work this out.
It does seem like Yacov is siding with FOTL and pointing the finger of blame at jeffguy. Please reban FOTL, Yacov.
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Guys,
Count me in that minority. Like Fruit is really gonna murder white women? Get real. It's Yacov's board and he can do whatever he wants. I found that out the hard way, and kept my mouth shut from then on out when Chaim said he agreed with him. This forum belongs to Yacov and Chaim, not any of us.
I really don't see why there is so much hatred of Fruit, who is obviously harmless, when everyone here has indulged people who really are malevolent (like Hidden Author, Imerica, and others) for way too long.
Give him a chance and see what he does now. As has already been pointed out, he hasn't even posted since being unbanned. Geez Louise.
Chaimfan
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Guys,
Count me in that minority. Like Fruit is really gonna murder white women? Get real. It's Yacov's board and he can do whatever he wants. I found that out the hard way, and kept my mouth shut from then on out when Chaim said he agreed with him. This forum belongs to Yacov and Chaim, not any of us.
I really don't see why there is so much hatred of Fruit, who is obviously harmless, when everyone here has indulged people who really are malevolent (like Hidden Author, Imerica, and others) for way too long.
Give him a chance and see what he does now. As has already been pointed out, he hasn't even posted since being unbanned. Geez Louise.
Chaimfan
Sorry Chaimfan, but this forum does NOT belong to Yacov and Chaim. This forum belongs to all of us. I think we all know that Chaim would be the first to tell us that.
I spoke to Chaim about this. He will address this issue on the Ask JTF program, G-d willing. Chaim was not at all happy about what happened here.
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Yacov, I completely disagree with your decision. The poster in question wrote things that should be intolerable on ANY forum.
I told Chaim on Friday that he was banned, and Chaim agreed with the decision. Jeffguy took action that I should have taken a long time ago.
The person who should come back is Yephora. She left because she could not stand Fruit's vulgarity and hatred of whites and Christians. She was a true quality poster.
Of course.
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I am still waiting for Yacov to get on here and respond to any one of the many posts on this thread, especially Dissenter's.
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Why unban him? He's not going to post anything except for crap about white women with black men. That's all that he really does. He's not cut out for this board.
Does this occur frequently in Britain like he says it does?