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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nic Brookes on May 15, 2007, 12:33:34 PM
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Someone from StørmFrønt has emailed me this link as a piece of propaganda to stop me posting here and make me post in StørmFrønt again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFb0-SsBQak
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There are Jewish supremicists in the land of Israel, they're part of groups like Revava, Yekutiel's group. You'll find a lot of this kind of attitude on their sites. I remember I used to post on Kahane.org and virtually all of them hated gentiles. They put most Christians in the same boat as the arabs.
[jdl4ever adds: All bull, Yukutiel is a genuine Kahanist leader, he is not the evil Revava. Most posters on kahane.org don't hate gentiles]
This Jewish kid in the video should be executed. Nowhere in the Torah does it say to hate gentiles and bar them from being in Israel. If a state were to arise with this kind of attitude it would be just as against G-d as the current Israel state. It would be destroyed by G-d.
[jdl4ever adds: Have another look at the Bible, certain gentiles are not allowed to live there like idol worshipers, those who don't accept our sovernty and those who wish to harm us]
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Well i think execution is a bit harsh ,those people are members of the Ism part of the mennonite group and quackers lol who don'nt beleive Jews deserve Israel .They hate Israel and a Hamas member was found in their headquarters.So you can understand without agreeing with their hate towards this group btw i know that guy from StørmFrønt doesn'nt he call himself charles lindbergh
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There are Jewish supremicists in the land of Israel, they're part of groups like Revava, Yekutiel's group. You'll find a lot of this kind of attitude on their sites. I remember I used to post on Kahane.org and virtually all of them hated gentiles. They put most Christians in the same boat as the arabs.
This Jewish kid in the video should be executed. Nowhere in the Torah does it say to hate gentiles and bar them from being in Israel. If a state were to arise with this kind of attitude it would be just as against G-d as the current Israel state. It would be destroyed by G-d.
How dare you call for the death of any Jew, the Christians in that video deserve to have their heads cut off. They come to my homeland and think to help the enemies of the Jewish people. We Jews arent going to fall over ourselves to avoid offending our enemies. If they wish to harm the Jewish people whatever methods are necessary to beat them will be used.
I have no illsions about the Christians, they have killed far more Jews then the Muslims ever managed, it happens to be that at this time the Muzzies are a greater danger and some, and I stress some, Christians say they wish to be friends with us. If so fine, but for every Christian Zionist there is a Presbetyrian who wishes our death.
As for Goyim being in Israel, the only Goyim who may be in Israel are those who have accepted the status of Ger Toshav, not one other, and they will have no place in the government whatsoever. Israel will not be a state of all its citizens but a Jewish state.
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There are Jewish supremicists in the land of Israel, they're part of groups like Revava, Yekutiel's group. You'll find a lot of this kind of attitude on their sites. I remember I used to post on Kahane.org and virtually all of them hated gentiles. They put most Christians in the same boat as the arabs.
This Jewish kid in the video should be executed. Nowhere in the Torah does it say to hate gentiles and bar them from being in Israel. If a state were to arise with this kind of attitude it would be just as against G-d as the current Israel state. It would be destroyed by G-d.
Agreed. I am Jewish and can't stand the Jewish hatred of Christians and Muslims just because they're gentile. It's just like the anti-Semitism on www.StørmFrønt.org. The Kahane forums are terrible. They are too intolerant of anything but their own world view.
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Maybe they read StørmFrønt and think all 'Christians ' are like these[BTW i don'nt think these guys represent Christians] http://www.StørmFrønt.org/forum/showthread.php/anti-jewish-popes-313589.html
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you can argue that they dont represent some Christians, but they were the leaders of the Christian world when they were Pope. So their opinions were the opinions of Devout Christians.
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The majority of the people at that Nazi website are either pagan occultists or atheists. Think for a minute. Those are kids in that video!!! Who here hasn't said something stupid when they were young? All of these weak attempts to vilify Jews and prove that there is "Jewish supremacism" is almost laughable. The people at StørmFrønt should have their skulls cracked open.
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Indeed that is what the StørmFrønt Nazis deserve, but if anyone regardless of their religion or ideology wishes to hurt the Jewish people, whether through violence or Missionizing, must be destroyed using whatever weapons exist. Be it [censored] them off, or actually killing them. Hopefully the latter.
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I think Revava and StørmFrønt work together if you ask me.
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It's possible
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It's possible
But unlikely
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Revava is a Shabak organization. Why wouldn't they work with Nazis if it will help undermine the Jewish right?
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StørmFrønt would never do that.
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O.K this is the group they are argueing with http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-18256973.html
While their goal is to aid understanding and communication, the peacemakers do not shy away from such judgments as determining who is the aggressor in conflicts. The peacemakers moved to Hebron in June last year at the invitation of the mayor of the city. They engage in a ministry of presence, patrolling the main street, documenting aggressive actions and standing between settlers and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis in cases of assaults. Since they took up this patrol, assaults have ended on the main street.
The Christian Peacemakers have also offered aid directly to PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis. For example, they accompanied a water truck to a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi home near the settlement of Tel Rumeida, which had been regularly stoned by the settlers. They have helped to rebuild PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi homes that settlers have demolished and have built a wall to protect a house that was repeatedly being stoned.
The Christian Peacemakers have determined militant Jewish settlers to be the aggressors, backed by state military power. The solution then is for the Jewish settlers to leave or reconcile themselves to legitimate PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi land rights and self-determination.
As a result, the assault has been turned on the peacemakers. On several occasions, they have been arrested and briefly imprisoned by the Israeli military and beaten and kicked by the settlers. As I walked with my study group around the old market area of Hebron, one of the Christian Peacemakers, Art Gish, greeted the Jewish settlers with "Sabbath shalom," or "Sabbath peace." They responded with violent epithets, such as, "We will kill you."
The day we visited Hebron, Saturday, Jan. 20, was particularly tense. It was election day, when PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis were voting for a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi council under the Israel/Eretz Yisrael Liberation Organization peace process, a plan the Jewish settlers vehemently oppose. Jews from other areas, released from Sabbath rules against travel by rabbinic authorities, had come to Hebron to support the settlers. PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis going to vote were confronted by Jewish settlers and their supporters carrying banners and chanting provocative slogans.
After visiting the mosque and touring the downtown area, our group had planned to visit the Abu Haikal family one that had suffered ongoing harassment and had been cut off from normal access to town by militant Jews. However, our meeting came sooner. As we emerged from the mosque, Hani Abu Haikal, father of the family, was at the police station nearby, where he was entering a complaint. He and his sister, Hana, were returning home from the polls in the company of several international journalists covering the election when a mob of Jewish settlers and supporters stopped their small car and pulled Hani and his sister out, kicking and beating them. The settlers also assaulted the journalists.
Although the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis know they will get little help from the police, who support the Jewish settlers, Hani insists on entering complaints for the record.
He has many. The family, which includes Hani's wife and small children and elderly parents, is effectively confined to their hilltop home by Israelis operating a military checkpoint separating the residence from the town. A snarling dog, often allowed to roam, prevents them from using their gardens or even harvesting the olives in the family-owned groves. Arbitrary military closures often prevent them from passing the checkpoint to get to their jobs or other activities in town. Hani assured us that his family would never be pressured to leave their ancestral home, but as we were leaving, Hana begged us to help her get a visa that would allow her to work as a hairdresser in the United States and send help back to her family.
For me, the most shocking aspect of this experience was glimpsing the narrow world view of the militant Jewish settlers, their unapologetic religious and racial exclusivism. Gish told us of his efforts to engage some of the settlers in a discussion of G-d's love for all people. This premise was emphatically rejected, he said. For these settlers, G-d has chosen only one people, loves only one people, has given the land of Israel to only one people -- the Jews. To seize land and expel PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis is viewed not as an injustice but as a religious duty to "redeem" the land from infidels.
To the Jewish settlers, PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis are inferior and murderous by nature, and killing those who refuse to leave is justifiable self-defense. It is also justifiable to kill Jewish "traitors," such as the late Prime Minister Rabin, who betrayed the "divine mandate" by efforts to reconcile PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis and Jews.
Only in a theology rooted in a G-d who loves all people can there be genuine reconciliation, justice and peace. Christians, Muslims and Jews, people of the three Abrahamic faiths, must reject a "G-d" who chooses one people against all others, for in this "G-d" lies the ultimate mandate for genocide.
they misrepresent the Jews so badly no wonder those kids were angry at them they see them as the enemy
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StørmFrønt would never do that.
If they know what is really going on they might. If they think that large numbers of Jews are gonna get slaughtered as the end result of a political betrayal, they'd rush to help Revava. And that is what I do not rule out, and neither should the rest of JTF.
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It is a nasty represantaion but not wildly inaccurate. The land is ours the Yishmaelim and their supporters from Edom must get out or be killed as they deserve. The penalty under Jewish law for giving Jewish land to Goyim is death, its really just the presentation is very negative, and the Arab/Muslims are shown as being innocent when in fact they are monsters.
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The majority of the people at that Nazi website are either pagan occultists or atheists. Think for a minute. Those are kids in that video!!! Who here hasn't said something stupid when they were young? All of these weak attempts to vilify Jews and prove that there is "Jewish supremacism" is almost laughable. The people at StørmFrønt should have their skulls cracked open.
Absolutely. This is a sick attempt to vilify the Jewish people by a bunch of nazi scumbags.
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StørmFrønt are evil. That's why I left. They don't like people leaving... quite happy to ban people but when people walk away from THEM it really gets them ;D
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Heres aquote from vnn
Yeah?
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I rather think that Jews with all of their weapons of mass destruction, lack what it takes to win a fair fight: courage and honor. These Party of God ("Hizb Allah") heroes should be honored by every Aryan with conscience, especially for the dire circumstances in which they won. - Aherne
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The funnies thing is when the Muzzies win and they kill their Jew hating former allies.
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Very true. I'm actually quite surprized that those at StørmFrønt have never read the Quraan or Hadith as their names are on the list of slaves, muslim converts or death. It is very aparent that they too have never read the Bible due to their hatred of Jews and Israel. It is funny, if one asks them if they beleive in morality they will say they do, yet they never stop for one moment to think about who invented the entire concept.
I had the pleasure of debating some of these people. I must admit that G-d did give them brains but sadly they are not letting them function via logic and morality as their guiding constraints...
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I will have agree with Kahane Loyalist. That Christian Peacemakers Team group is very left wing. They were the ones who went to Iraq to protest against the "occupation" of that country. And it just so happened that two of them were kidnapped by terrorists. Plus they are very pro-"palescuminian." And I'm glad those kids cursed them.
Here's what they have to say on their site about being in Iraq:
http://www.cpt.org/iraq/iraq.php
The Americans had to rescue them, and they were not at all grateful. In the U.S., this group harasses our border patrol, as they are all for open borders.
Here's more information on them:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7204
Frankly, considering that their purpose of being in Israel is to undermine the Israeli government in favor of the Arab fifth column, I would have to say, they deserve whatever they get from Israelis.
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That "Christian Peacemakers" group are a Communist front group. They are nothing but socialists....
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They should be thrown out of Israel... and America... and the planet. There is a colony of them in Fountain Valley, CA (near me :o :P), and they live at a compound (like David Koresh) that supports itself by sewing and making quilts and running a bakery. The bakery was recently shut down (last year) by the state health department for handling its bread with cloth the chefs had blown their noses on! :o
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Thanks for editing my post. That was very courageous. ::)
As a Christian I'm not going to support some rat-faced punk who says he's happy he "killed Jesus". As for Yekutiel, there were many from his group on Kahane.org who hated Christians. These Jews who are happy to hate Christians and love to mock Christianity are scum just like the leftist Jews.
Don't let your own hatred of Christians cloud your judgement, Kahaneloyalist. Jews are not meant to be held to a different standard of morality in matters like this.
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Just cool it. I am a Christian too. You are not gonna succeed in getting me to get angry at Jews because A FEW of them MIGHT not like Christians. That bird ain't gonna fly, and if you keep this up, you could be in trouble with the mods.
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Then it is not okay. He should ban these Shabak scumbags.
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When do the Amalekites who called for Jews to be killed in this forum get their banning? ???
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What is the JTF board position on Jews who openly hate Christianity? Can this be clarified please? I don't want to get into trouble by saying terrible things should happen to these evil Jews. I find it very hypocritical that people are crying about hoping for bad Jews to die as opposed to Christians and other peoples. IMO A Jew who says he's happy that Christ died and that Christians are scum is an evil person.
Balaam, name yourself after something other than a pagan "G-d" before you throw stones.
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My mistake, I confused it with Balam.
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That Jewish kid is NOT evil. He does NOT hate Gentiles.
He thinks that these leftist Muslim-lovers represent Christianity. Thousands of Communist Muslim-loving Jew-haters from all over the world come to Israel all the time to support the Islamic mass murderers in their quest to destroy the Jewish state. These Jew-hating Communists call themselves "Christians" for propaganda purposes. So this Jewish kid and other Jews in Israel believe that this is what Christians want: to help the Muslim Nazis destroy the Jewish people. This kid doesn't know that these leftist Muslim-lovers are not real Christians. He doesn't know that there are Christians like Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell who are very pro-Israel. It is NOT his fault that he has been misled by evil frauds who use the term "Christian" to promote a Nazi agenda of helping the Muslims commit genocide against the surrounded, tiny Jewish state.
Nic Brookes and Thunderbolt, promoting videos by Nazis from StørmFrønt is not acceptable on this forum. I don't care what the reason is. We do not tolerate or interact with Nazis here. Nazis deserve to be killed, not debated with.
And I am astonished at the stupidity of people here. StørmFrønt is the defender of Jesus and Christians?! How moronic can anyone be? Doesn't anyone know what the Nazis think of Christianity? One of the main reasons for the obsessive Jew-hatred of the Nazis is because they blame the Jews for creating Christianity. The Nazis DETEST Christianity.
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IMO A Jew who says he's happy that Christ died and that Christians are scum is an evil person.
Thunderbolt, please name for me some Jews who actually say that before you throw stones.
PS the pagan g-d you are referring to is BAAL, not Balaam. He's the guy whose donkey was a prophet, remember?
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IMO A Jew who says he's happy that Christ died and that Christians are scum is an evil person.
Thunderbolt, please name for me some Jews who actually say that before you throw stones.
PS the pagan g-d you are referring to is BAAL, not Balaam. He's the guy whose donkey was a prophet, remember?
He's referring to the drunken settler in the video, who cursed at the human rights workers for using the camera in his face on the sabbath. he equated them with Christians and said that he is happy Christ was killed. Certainly, he needs to be re-educated. He does not need to be killed.
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1: I object to the term "settler".
2: He probably is a Muslim Nazi or leftist actor who is trying to give Israelis a bad name. It is probably a complete sham.
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1: I object to the term "settler".
2: He probably is a Muslim Nazi or leftist actor who is trying to give Israelis a bad name. It is probably a complete sham.
I know some people object to the term 'settler' but I do not. To 'settle' the land of Israel is a great mitzvah.
This could be the case, but it also could be the case of bad behavior being caught on tape.
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You should use the term "pioneer", "trailblazer" or "frontiersman" then, which have only positive connotations and which Chaim himself uses.
I think we should assume this is a propaganda stunt before we take for granted that an Israeli Jew engaged in such buffoonery--especially considering the source is a Nazi website.
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You should use the term "pioneer", "trailblazer" or "frontiersman" then, which have only positive connotations and which Chaim himself uses.
I think we should assume this is a propaganda stunt before we take for granted that an Israeli Jew engaged in such buffoonery--especially considering the source is a Nazi website.
the original source is liveleak.com
i'm fine with using 'settler'. normally i just say "jews of judea and samaria"
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Liveleak can't host propaganda hoax videos from Muslim/Euronazi/"human rights" propagandists?
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Alot of StørmFrønt members love Islam. Then again most StørmFrønt members are buttrangers too.
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Look, I visited Maon Farm, where some of the most heroic Jews in Israel are, I will be returing there soon to teach them to use cameras. The Christian Groups that support the Fakestinians have a common tactic, they wear prominent crosses, they do something violent like throw a rock at a Jew, or kill the guard dogs, that had happened right before my visit, then they run up to the Jew with a camera, if that and Missionaries is your only exposure to Christians what would your attitude to Christianity be?
If the Jewish members of the forum want to know the exact Jewish attitude to Christianity, I would recommened learning Rambam Hilchot Avodah Zara, and Hilchot Melachim. The Rambam has the strictest opinion, the most lenient opinion is that of the Meiri I dont recall the exact place at this moment, and I will say no more.
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Doesn't anyone know what the Nazis think of Christianity? One of the main reasons for the obsessive Jew-hatred of the Nazis is because they blame the Jews for creating Christianity. The Nazis DETEST Christianity
This is very true anyone who has ever looked at these groups have seen their mocking ofChristians who happen upon their forums.Also if you were those kids wo only know the Christians who aren'nt very Christian[ie this group who hate Jews 'Christian Peacemakers' funny that they have many moslems and communists in this group] you would be upset too
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i still didnt understand what g-d :embarassed: is can anybody plz explain it to me
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i still didnt understand what g-d :embarassed: is can anybody plz explain it to me
He rules everything the universe and all things
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JSullivan I did NOT promote StørmFrønt in this thread or anywhere! :(
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I don'nt think he meant you i linked to StørmFrønt nor to encourage people to read it but to show their take on Christians.The christian peacemakers are mennonite and admirerd by Zundel who is himself a mennonite http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9902/990227.html
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I don'nt think he meant you i linked to StørmFrønt nor to encourage people to read it but to show their take on Christians.The christian peacemakers are mennonite and admirerd by Zundel who is himself a mennonite http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9902/990227.html
The drek of the world these sub humans....
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i still didnt understand what g-d :embarassed: is can anybody plz explain it to me
He rules everything the universe and all things
Do you guys mean god ;D.Why are you guys refering him to g-d
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i still didnt understand what g-d :embarassed: is can anybody plz explain it to me
He rules everything the universe and all things
Do you guys mean G-d ;D.Why are you guys refering him as g-d
oops now i know
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:D :D Yes
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Why cant we simply type G-O-D ???
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Why cant we simply type G-O-D ???
You were understandably confused about g-d and G-d, Ashish, because some of our posters obviously have a love-hate relationship with the shift key of their keyboards - even when it comes to writing the name of G-d. ;D
As for your more serious question, it's a complicated one. You might try reading this very long but interesting article in Wiki about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism)
To state it briefly, Jews believe that the name of G-d, in any language, is too holy to speak aloud (or write down) except at the temple in Jerusalem (which doesn't presently exist), and perhaps even then only at certain times and only by certain persons.
Accordingly, "G-d" and "L-rd" are often written without the "o" even though the real name of the L-rd G-d is according to Judaism neither of those words, and even though "G-d" and "L-rd" are frequently spoken aloud by even the most devout Jews.
Confused yet? I don't blame you. So am I.
All of these beliefs, interestingly enough, correspond to an ancient Babylonian one that the name of the deity Marduk was too holy to take lightly - hence, he was more frequently referred to as Bel, "Lord".
You will often hear Jews refer to G-d using the circumlocution HaShem, "The Name".
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We are allowed to write Lord with the o. Lord in English is a title, not G-d's name.
Chaim, for one, prefers to write "Lord" without the "o", as you can see from some of his articles on the web site. When speaking of such things, he usually uses "G-d" (which, of course, he always spells "G-d") instead of "Lord", but when he quotes from the Bible and the word "Lord" is used, he always renders it "L-rd".
I'm not at all an expert on these matters - I don't even speak Hebrew - but is "G-d" really G-d's name? I thought that his only unspeakable name is the Hebrew for "I am", which is what Moses was told.
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JSullivan I did NOT promote StørmFrønt in this thread or anywhere! :(
This also applies to me.
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It was me i sometimes link to StørmFrønt to explain what i'm saing not to promote it ! i won'nt do it even to show something
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Lord is Hashem. G-d is Elokim.
Are you sure about that, Yacov? I thought that Adonai was "Lord" and HaShem was "The Name". At least, aren't those the meanings of the Hebrew words?
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Lord is Hashem. G-d is Elokim.
Are you sure about that, Yacov? I thought that Adonai was "Lord" and HaShem was "The Name". At least, aren't those the meanings of the Hebrew words?
Adoshem and Hashem are the same. But you can't say Adoshem unless you are praying so it is replaced with Hashem.
Yacov, you're not answering my question. I asked you if Adonai meant "Lord" and HaShem meant "The Name" in the original Hebrew. If HaShem means "The Name", then it obviously can't mean "Lord", except by convention.
By the way, I mentioned Bel Marduk a little while ago. I'm now reminded that the Egyptians, fearing to speak directly of their "divine king," called him pharaoh, "[he of the] big house".
Anyway, I can see why Ashish is so confused.
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Someone from StørmFrønt has emailed me this link as a piece of propaganda to stop me posting here and make me post in StørmFrønt again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFb0-SsBQak
Opinions?
why did you post on that hick site?
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Someone from StørmFrønt has emailed me this link as a piece of propaganda to stop me posting here and make me post in StørmFrønt again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFb0-SsBQak
Opinions?
why did you post on that hick site?
I had no idea there was any alternative for Right Wing Gentiles. Then i came here ;D
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Dissneter, Adon** literally means "my master" but we dont say or write it except for specific purposes. Hashem means "The Name".
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100% agree with Kahaneloyalist. The kid is obviously hot tempered and uttered expletives because of the obviously a pro-PLO western thug who had provoked him. He doesn’t mean it – I think that there are no Jew who is proud of what happened to Jesus, as he is not relevant to Judaism.
But to call for murder of this proud, beautiful Jew is asinine. Thunderbolt, you should be ashamed of yourself!
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Rabbi Kahane's "The Jewish Idea" deals with this very Jewishly....
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If so fine, but for every Christian Zionist there is a Presbetyrian who wishes our death.
Presbyterians (at least orthodox ones) are not Christians at all. They are a far-left, wacked-out cult that in addition to boycotting Israel, also ordain fag pastors (that's right Tonycali, these "gay reverends" your school shoves down your throat ALL hate Israel) and approve of baby butchering.
OTOH, a couple months ago I met an outspoken, colorful Presbyterian Arab Christian lady who professed to be a hardcore Zionist. But she's in the minority of that denomination for sure.
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Agreed. I am Jewish and can't stand the Jewish hatred of Christians and Muslims just because they're gentile. It's just like the anti-Semitism on www.StørmFrønt.org. The Kahane forums are terrible. They are too intolerant of anything but their own world view.
You're an Fing moron. Please find me some Jews who actually hate Muslims, much less Christians.
Edit: Yes, the self-hating Jewish left hates Christendom far more than it hates Islam. But they are irrelevant to this discussion.