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Homosexuality and Anal Cancer
In June of 2004, the journal Nursing Clinics of North America reported the following regarding homosexuality and anal cancer:
“ One of the more pressing issues for gay men is anal carcinoma. Several recent studies have indicated the rate of anal dysplasia to be increasing in men with and without HIV. Ninety percent of men with HIV have the human papiloma virus (HPV), while 65% of men without HIV have HPV. HVP type 16 is the most troublesome for developing cancer and is found in a significant portion of gay men.
In 1997, Concerned Women of America reported the following regarding homosexuality and anal cancer:
“ Homosexual men's practice of anal sex has left many of them victims of anal cancer. One article in the New England Journal of Medicine commented, "Our study lends strong support to the hypothesis that homosexual behavior in men increases the risk of anal cancer: 21 of the 57 men with anal cancer (37 percent) reported that they were homosexual or bisexual, in contrast to only one of 64 controls." The Journal of the American Medical Association also published similar findings: "Epidemiological studies have shown that risk factors for anal cancer include homosexuality, history of receptive anal intercourse, presence of anal condylomata, and smoking." And the International Journal of Cancer stated, "Being single and having practised anal intercourse appears to be associated with anal cancer and case reports have suggested a recent increase in the number of cases of anal cancer." Other studies have yielded the same conclusions.
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Shigellosis, Proctitis, and HIV Infection
Shigella bacteria cause shigellosisIn February of 2007 the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases reported the following in a article entitled Another Perfect Storm: Shigella, Men Who Have Sex with Men, and HIV: “ In the mid-1970s, outbreaks of Shigella infection among adults in New York and San Francisco raised the possibility that Shigella species may be sexually transmitted, with most infections occurring in men who have sex with men (MSM). Since these early observations, Shigella infection appears to be more frequent among MSM than among other adult populations... ”
As mentioned earlier, shigellosis and proctitis are both illnesses associated with gay bowel syndrome. In addition, it was also indicated previously that shigella can cause proctitis which may increase the chance of HIV infection.
In February of 2007 Journal of Infectious Diseases published an article titled Case-control study of shigellosis in San Francisco: the role of sexual transmission and HIV infection. The abstract for the article stated: 'Among MSM [men who have sex with men], shigellosis is predominantly a sexually transmitted disease, with direct oral-anal contact conferring the highest risk and HIV infection likely contributing to increased host susceptibility.
Shigellosis is particularly hazardous for individuals with AIDS or other immunodeficiency states.
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In regards to lesbianism and obesity, in April of 2007, the American Journal of Public Health analyzed data from 2002 National Survey of Family Growth and the data suggested that American lesbian women were 2.69 times more likely to be overweight and 2.47 times more likely to be obese than all other female sexual orientation groups. [1] The abstract for this study indicated that "lesbians are at greater risk for morbidity and mortality linked to overweight and obesity." [1]
In 2009, the PubMed article abstract for the Polish psychiatry journal Psychiatria Polska article Body Image in Homosexual Persons declared:
“ Homosexual women are less concentrated on physical appearance and more satisfied with their bodies while being more tolerant to obesity.... For lesbian women the ideal body image is more massive than for heterosexual women. ”
In 2007, a purported lesbian wrote to Andrew Sullivan, the political commentator and administrator of The Daily Dish blog:
“ And - oh heck, I'll admit it - aesthetics have value, too! As a woman, I may not be as focused on looks as men are predisposed to be, but I sure am tired of seeing so many queer ladies out there who are way past 200 pounds. Way, way past. Sorry, but no amount of "fat acceptance" is going to make that a pleasant sight - gay, straight, butch, femme, male or female. ”
More here:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_health
We talk about muslim terrorism frequently...Gays are unleashing biological terror over the entire human race.
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One shudders to think of the diseases Faginem is carrying in his system.
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We talk about muslim terrorism frequently...Gays are unleashing biological terror over the entire human race.
not really, none of those diseases caused by a homosexual lifestyle are communicable or contagious. only they are suffering the consequences of their own behaviour - though we are all paying for their treatment.
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CZ, your info on HPV is VERY misleading. I suppose there was a political agenda behind that. Women are the largest carriers of HPV and they get it from MEN who are almost entirely straight. Yes it's true that gay men do get rectal HPV if they are the passive partner because they too (like their female counterpart) get penetrated. But making HPV into a gay plague is an out and out lie and the people publishing that crap have on their souls all of the women who read that and think they are not at risk. Also HPV, unlike HIV, is insanely easy to catch. Condoms will not protect you. I had a female friend who got HPV after her first sexual experience. You should have more compassion for these people. There but for the grace of God go I is something you ought to remember
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CZ, your info on HPV is VERY misleading. I suppose there was a political agenda behind that. Women are the largest carriers of HPV and they get it from MEN who are almost entirely straight. Yes it's true that gay men do get rectal HPV if they are the passive partner because they too (like their female counterpart) get penetrated. But making HPV into a gay plague is an out and out lie and the people publishing that crap have on their souls all of the women who read that and think they are not at risk. Also HPV, unlike HIV, is insanely easy to catch. Condoms will not protect you. I had a female friend who got HPV after her first sexual experience. You should have more compassion for these people. There but for the grace of G-d go I is something you ought to remember
if you are faithful, but your husband/wife cheats and gives you STD, I am 100% compassionate. if you sleep around, you deserve what you get.
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Everybody makes mistakes...yes if you are promiscuous then one can argue you take unnecessary risks, but I don't think people deserve to die because of their innate sexual drives. That seems a bit medieval. There are few things sadder than having to look at someone and tell them they have an illness forever. Usually that news represents a departure from former promiscuous behaviors into more monogamous ones
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Concerned women for American is not a group known for its scientific accuracy. There are diseases that are more common in homosexuals or caused by homosexual behavior though.
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Concerned women for American is not a group known for its scientific accuracy. There are diseases that are more common in homosexuals or caused by homosexual behavior though.
Yes this is definitely true unfortunately
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Jtfe2. From your knowledge from medical school are there any diseases or stds more susceptible in homosexual men that are sexually active?
Thanks
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We all know that homosexuals are more likely to be infected with AIDS than hetrosexuals.
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I suppose there was a political agenda behind that.
No
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My mom had this friend who was gay and had aids. After he died (I must have been 14 or 15), my mom showed me a picture of him before the aids, and then after. Needless to say, to this bloody DAY, I am scarred for life, and cannot get that image of him out of my head.
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My mom had this friend who was gay and had aids. After he died (I must have been 14 or 15), my mom showed me a picture of him before the aids, and then after. Needless to say, to this bloody DAY, I am scarred for life, and cannot get that image of him out of my head.
I worked with someone that had 9 kids and ended up dying of Aids... He claimed he got it from hookers....One thing for sure its not a nice thing to watch a person going down from that sort of thing.... It was in the early days of the illness and it was unpleasant to even have the guy around because no one actually knew how it was really spread.
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Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) (sometimes informally called the gay plague or GRIDS) was the 1982 name first proposed to describe what is now known as AIDS
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CZ, your info on HPV is VERY misleading. I suppose there was a political agenda behind that. Women are the largest carriers of HPV and they get it from MEN who are almost entirely straight. Yes it's true that gay men do get rectal HPV if they are the passive partner because they too (like their female counterpart) get penetrated. But making HPV into a gay plague is an out and out lie and the people publishing that crap have on their souls all of the women who read that and think they are not at risk. Also HPV, unlike HIV, is insanely easy to catch. Condoms will not protect you. I had a female friend who got HPV after her first sexual experience. You should have more compassion for these people. There but for the grace of G-d go I is something you ought to remember
Yes, technically anal HPV is not caused solely by being gay, and it isn't even caused directly by rectal sex. However, gays are the largest population that have rectal sex, and they are also the most promiscuous. Fags do not have a vagina, so they don't get cervical cancer--they get the other kind from it. There is no STD that the homosexual lifestyle does not contribute hugely to.
I know what your personal background is and commend you for leaving this sick way of life, but you can't continue to see yourself as one of these people. There is a difference between people who struggle and fight against an orientation that they do not want to have and people who embrace this horrific sin and try to convince everybody, including children, that it is alright.
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Everybody makes mistakes...yes if you are promiscuous then one can argue you take unnecessary risks, but I don't think people deserve to die because of their innate sexual drives. That seems a bit medieval. There are few things sadder than having to look at someone and tell them they have an illness forever. Usually that news represents a departure from former promiscuous behaviors into more monogamous ones
Everybody has a choice and everybody has free will. I do not believe that there is only one thing that causes homosexual desires. It's probably many different things... some nature, and some nurture. The bottom line is that everybody has the ability to not do a sick, perverse action if they don't want to. In this day and age, there is such a vast array of help available from counseling and religious venues that nobody has any excuse to give in to this disgusting way of life.
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Everybody makes mistakes...yes if you are promiscuous then one can argue you take unnecessary risks, but I don't think people deserve to die because of their innate sexual drives. That seems a bit medieval. There are few things sadder than having to look at someone and tell them they have an illness forever. Usually that news represents a departure from former promiscuous behaviors into more monogamous ones
Everybody has a choice and everybody has free will. I do not believe that there is only one thing that causes homosexual desires. It's probably many different things... some nature, and some nurture. The bottom line is that everybody has the ability to not do a sick, perverse action if they don't want to. In this day and age, there is such a vast array of help available from counseling and religious venues that nobody has any excuse but to give in to this disgusting way of life.
I strongly believe that homosexuality is a matter of choice. If it is natural and they are "born that way", then the same logic can be applied to pedophilia , bestiality, incest, adultery, fornication, promiscuity and other forms of sexual perversion. Historically no civilization that has promoted homosexuality had survived. It had brought down mighty empires in the past. If America continues in that path, it will lose its status as the global, economic and political superpower.
From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen...
Point # 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
It is one of the communist agenda to destroy America from within.
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CZ I don't agree with anything you post so I think we should leave it at that. The 'science' you present is largely misinformation. You don't want to know the truth. You are much more comfortable imagining a world of them (dirty) and us (clean). That's a dichotomy that will kill straight people.
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At least the religious should be able to exclude those who engage in this perversion from their services... I do not want to belong to a shul which has openly gay members. There can be no acceptance of things which are not acceptable.
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Dr. Brennan fan, I never had rectal sex because I was terrified of diseases. Many straight people do have rectal sex. Also just because I don't practice these things does mean that I was not shown the hatred that is shown to gay people. I know that doesn't sit well with certain forum members but if you are going to make difference in this world, trying to destroy and make gay people the enemies of humanity, you aren't bringing yourselves any closer to Hashem. And I like you Dr bf, so this is not against you personally. I respect you a great deal
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Jtfe2. From your knowledge from medical school are there any diseases or stds more susceptible in homosexual men that are sexually active?
Thanks
I don't understand this question Dan sorry.
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It attracts muppets to surround you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjoYzLBp34o
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
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Obviously the Jewish religion doesn't consider gays to be 'the enemy of humanity'. But it is clear that this behavior is looked upon very seriously. There is a spiritual reason that Hashem is 'disgusted' by a man having sex with a man, and I have explained this in previous threads and will not repeat it here. I will not budge in my opposition to the Homosexual 'lifestyle'. I have experience battling my own demons and know that it is possible to modify a mans behavior to become more socially acceptable to humanity and to Hashem. Nobody is ever a victim of his own vices because it is possible to change your life... I moved away from bad influences, twice, in order to avoid my temptation {drugs}... I have established friends now who would never let me slide back into that lifestyle.
But I will say again that Homosexuality is a grave sin, one which Hashem clearly said was an Abomination. I would hope that anyone who wants to have a good relationship with the Creator of heaven and earth, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the redeemer of the Jewish people, he or she should do what can be done to stop the bad behavior.
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
Nobody is picking on Gays. It is against the Jewish faith to be openly homosexual and not make attempts to curb such behavior. Also it is stupid to say that straight people can be sick and promiscuous and say this is a reason it should be acceptable that people engage in gay sex... This is the more stupid reasoning in the world... Hey, there are murderers and rapists who are nice people, maybe their raping and murdering is just because of a bad childhood or something... This makes absolutely no sense... All morality requires us to apply a universal standard...
All Sexual Immorality is against the Torah...
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
You cant deny that they are living a lifestyle which flies in the face of the word of G-d. There is no defending them, as there is no defending those who desecrate the Sabbath.
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
I don't think someone is evil or a pervert because they have homosexual attraction. However it is forbidden in both Judaism and in Christianity to act on such feelings. I support people who struggle to overcome the desire to act on it.
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There's no difference between a pedo, a zoophile and a homosexual. All need psychological help and Torahnic guidance.
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Alex, I wouldn't bother Logic and fairness are in short order when it comes to gays on this forum. I was discriminated against as a gay person and people seem to think that just because one is sexually abstinent, they should forget the hell they went through. Ron don't you hav something to do in Israel. I think a lot of us are tired of your obnoxious stereotypical Israeli douchbag attitude
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Having dealt with several Israeli morons with no manners who think they can do whatever they want whenever they want, your excrement isn't going to be tolerated by this Jew tonight.
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Alex, I wouldn't bother Logic and fairness are in short order when it comes to gays on this forum. I was discriminated against as a gay person and people seem to think that just because one is sexually abstinent, they should forget the hell they went through. Ron don't you hav something to do in Israel. I think a lot of us are tired of your obnoxious stereotypical Israeli douchbag attitude
I'm sorry if I was one of the people who mistreated you. If I did, I didn't intend to.
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There's no difference between a pedo, a zoophile and a homosexual. All need psychological help and Torahnic guidance.
While all types of sexual deviancies are not allowed by the Bible I have to disagree with you to some degree. There is a difference. Both pedophiles and zoophiles sexually abuse those who can not give informed consent. Pedophiles are the worst of course because they attack innocent defenseless humans. Homosexual behavior is also wrong according to the Bible, but at least it has the possibility of being done by consent of the other partner.
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There is a difference. Both pedophiles and zoophiles sexually abuse those who can not give informed consent.
You're right. Those who choose to sin are worse then those who have no choice.
Pedophiles are the worst of course because they attack innocent defenseless humans.
Those who defame the name of love between humans, spit in the face of G-D and replace His creation of the second sex, and do it by choice and sometimes even idealistically, are worse than those who do it because of hormones only. It's like sanctifying marriage between Jews and non-Jews.
Homosexual behavior is also wrong according to the Bible, but at least it has the possibility of being done by consent of the other partner.
And that's why it may be worse.
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CZ: yes everybody has a choice to do right from wrong whether or not they have a susceptible desire to do sinful behavior. Some men might be more sexually aggressive biologically, but ultimately have free will to choose right from wrong even if it is harder compared to a man that has less sexual aggressive tendencies.
The same goes with true homosexuals (men who are attracted to the maleness of people like women would be.) It is a sad condition for the decent ones who want to live a normal life and not alone, but cannot find it in themselves to be with a woman. I really feel sorry for these people. And I particularly feel sorry for the ones who have these tendencies, but don't act upon them. I am proud of them for not giving into sinful temptation and choosing not to do that behavior. I feel sorry for them because it could be a hopeless cause to change their brain to marry a woman and be as attracted to her as a straight man would. So my heart goes out to those types of homosexuals and my strong recommendation as righteous gentiles and righteous Jews is to have compassion for these types and to help them and support them and praise them when they avoid the evil temptations. You nor me have no clue on how to change their brains to think like a straight person if it is even possible, but we should pray for them that the light bulb will switch on their head and be able never be alone and be able to procreate and love a woman like they are supposed to.
Everybody makes mistakes...yes if you are promiscuous then one can argue you take unnecessary risks, but I don't think people deserve to die because of their innate sexual drives. That seems a bit medieval. There are few things sadder than having to look at someone and tell them they have an illness forever. Usually that news represents a departure from former promiscuous behaviors into more monogamous ones
Everybody has a choice and everybody has free will. I do not believe that there is only one thing that causes homosexual desires. It's probably many different things... some nature, and some nurture. The bottom line is that everybody has the ability to not do a sick, perverse action if they don't want to. In this day and age, there is such a vast array of help available from counseling and religious venues that nobody has any excuse but to give in to this disgusting way of life.
I strongly believe that homosexuality is a matter of choice. If it is natural and they are "born that way", then the same logic can be applied to pedophilia , bestiality, incest, adultery, fornication, promiscuity and other forms of sexual perversion. Historically no civilization that has promoted homosexuality had survived. It had brought down mighty empires in the past. If America continues in that path, it will lose its status as the global, economic and political superpower.
From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen...
Point # 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
It is one of the communist agenda to destroy America from within.
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At least the religious should be able to exclude those who engage in this perversion from their services... I do not want to belong to a shul which has openly gay members. There can be no acceptance of things which are not acceptable.
I have a question though.. What if there is someone who is openly gay, but doesn't do the sinful deed and also acknowledges that it is sinful?
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Jtfe2. From your knowledge from medical school are there any diseases or stds more susceptible in homosexual men that are sexually active?
Thanks
I don't understand this question Dan sorry.
Are there any STD's or diseases that are most predominant or exclusive to practicing homosexual men?
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
I don't think someone is evil or a pervert because they have homosexual attraction. However it is forbidden in both Judaism and in Christianity to act on such feelings. I support people who struggle to overcome the desire to act on it.
You said it right, sister.
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
Look at the Bible. God did not punish any society at a larger scale as He did with the gay community in Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim. The punishment was exclusive to homosexuality.
You are correct, straight people can also practice deviant sexual acts but we have to see how God sees homosexuality in comparison to other sexual acts. Human body is not designed for homosexual activities. Homosexual acts dishonor God and challenges the Almighty.
Do we need homosexuals among us?
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
Look at the Bible. G-d did not punish any society at a larger scale as He did with the gay community in Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim. The punishment was exclusive to homosexuality.
You are correct, straight people can also practice deviant sexual acts but we have to see how G-d sees homosexuality in comparison to other sexual acts. Human body is not designed for homosexual activities. Homosexual acts dishonor G-d and challenges the Almighty.
Do we need homosexuals among us?
you are right on picking homosexual behavior, but really honestly, you have to add all immoral sexual behavior in the mix and that include sex out of marriage.
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I think heterosexual rape is worse than consensual homosexual acts. Both are wrong though.
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Straight people can be just as sick and promiscious. No need to pick on Gays.
My last post wasn't picking on them it was trying to be a bit funny. ;D
I know but this whole thread seems to screame gays are evil perverts.
Look at the Bible. G-d did not punish any society at a larger scale as He did with the gay community in Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim. The punishment was exclusive to homosexuality.
You are correct, straight people can also practice deviant sexual acts but we have to see how G-d sees homosexuality in comparison to other sexual acts. Human body is not designed for homosexual activities. Homosexual acts dishonor G-d and challenges the Almighty.
Do we need homosexuals among us?
you are right on picking homosexual behavior, but really honestly, you have to add all immoral sexual behavior in the mix and that include sex out of marriage.
Actually Sdom and Amora were not destroyed primarily because of homosexuality... It was destroyed primarily for the cruelness of the inhabitants... The Torah is clear that because they treated guests rudely and lacked any sense of hospitality the cities were destroyed. Sexual immorality was just a small part of the reason..
http://www.vbm-torah.org/archive/intparsha/bereishit/04-65vayera.htm
INJUSTICE AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS
It is in our Parasha that thread of Sodomite impiety is taken up once more. Even before the messengers arrive in the town to prove its moral mettle, the text of the Torah pointedly incriminates the inhabitants. The passage states:
The men arose from there and surveyed Sodom, and Avraham accompanied them to send them on their way. G-d said: "Shall I conceal from Avraham what I intend to do? Avraham will become a great and powerful nation, and all of the peoples of the earth will be blessed on his account. FOR I KNOW HIM – HE WILL COMMAND HIS CHILDREN AND HIS HOUSEHOLD AFTER HIM TO EXECUTE RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUSTICE, in order that G-d might bring upon Avraham all that he spoke concerning him" (18:16-19).
By highlighting Avraham's sensitivity to righteousness and justice, while stressing his attention to perpetuating that legacy so that all of the earth's inhabitants might one day be blessed, the Torah seems to indicate, by conspicuous contrast, Sodom's failures. The verses that immediately follow leave no doubt concerning this reading of the passage:
G-d said: The outcry of Sodom and 'Amora is great, and their transgressions are very grave. I will go down to see if they have done as that outcry indicates, for if they have, then I shall utterly destroy them…(18:20-21).
Avraham, then, standing on the crest of the Chevron range, is the paradigm of righteousness, the champion of justice, the advocate for moral education and for the ethical improvement of humanity. Sodom, shimmering below in the verdant valley of the Yarden, repudiates those values, while slowly stirring the bubbling cauldron of its own downfall.
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SEXUAL IMMORALITY
The most explicit statement of Sodom's iniquity is, of course, the episode of the messengers' arrival. Two of them arrive at the town square in the guise of tired wayfarers, as the afternoon sun, sated with yet another day of witnessing the city's oppression, begins its welcome descent. The shadows lengthen across the paved plaza, but no one takes even the slightest interest in the fate of the tired travelers. Only Lot (himself a foreigner) invites them, but making clear at the outset that they must leave early on the morrow. Graciously, he brings them home and prepares a modest meal, but before they can retire for the night, an ominous and loud knocking is heard at the door. The people of Sodom, "all of them, great and small, young and old" have in the meantime surrounded the house and now raucously demand the surrender of the guests, "so that we may abuse them!" (19:5). Lot, in his most noble moment, demurs. Pleading with them to respect the ancient tradition of domestic refuge, as he closes the door and places himself in between, his entreaties are to no avail. The people of Sodom stridently insist, and only the intervention of the angelic travelers changes the course of the events.
Thus, added to the heavy burden of selfishness, ingratitude, injustice and corruption that hangs over Sodom like a poison cloud, must now be added the weight of sexual immorality and bloodlust. And there is not a individual in that writhing mass, save Lot himself, willing to oppose the lynching! There is, of course, only one other transgression from this troubling list of infamy, one more cardinal principle that lies at the foundations of any functioning society and that every adherent of Jewish tradition must regard with special revulsion: the sin of idolatry. Is there anywhere in the text that alludes to this most insidious of crimes, the first cause of moral relativism and the utter antithesis of all that Avraham and Sarah represent?
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Thus, considering the issue in its entirety, the Torah indicates without a doubt why Sodom was destroyed.The general pronouncement that its inhabitants were "very evil and iniquitous to G-d" (13:13) is simply a catchphrase for the kinds of failings that we know so well, those very evils whose avoidance we rightly regard as the touchstone of ethical monotheism. The lesson for us is patently clear, but there is perhaps another dimension to the discussion. While we often regard the narratives of Sefer Bereishit as arresting tales of our forefathers and foremothers and not much more, the truth of the matter is that the stories preserved in its parashiyot are at the very core of our consciousness as Jews and as sensitive human beings. It is certainly true that Sefer Bereishit is almost entirely absent of anything that we might regard as normative rulings, commandments in the post-Sinaitic mold, or legal pronouncements after the manner of a code of law. And yet the examples set by its protagonists, for the good and for the evil, are the living expressions of those very laws that are left unstated until later. The edifice of ethical monotheism, first raised up in Sefer Shemot as the people of Israel stand at Mount Sinai and hear G-d's word, is constructed upon a solid foundation – these abiding narratives that describe the challenges and setbacks, the tribulations and the triumphs of our ancestors who were first called by G-d to build a better world. "For I know him – he will command his children and his household after him to execute righteousness and justice, in order that G-d might bring upon Avraham all that he spoke concerning him" (18:16-19).
http://www.chabad.org/global/popup/default_cdo/aid/2620/a/vayeira22_1b/jewish/Commentary.htm
Because the cry of [the victims of] Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous (18:20)
In Sodom it was decreed: "Whoever hands a piece of bread to a pauper or stranger shall be burned at the stake."
Plotit, the daughter of Lot, was married to one of the leading citizens of Sodom. One day, she saw a pauper starving in the street, and her soul was saddened over him. What did she do? Every day, when she went to draw water from the well, she would take some of the food from her home in her pitcher and feed the pauper. But the people of Sodom wondered, "This pauper, how is he surviving?" Eventually the matter became known and she was taken out to be burned, and her cries rose to the Divine Throne.
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Okay, muman13 here are some passages from the Bible regarding Admah and Zeboiim.
Genesis 10:19
The border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as you go toward Gerar, to Gaza; as you go toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, to Lasha.
Genensis 14:2,8
2 that they made war with Bera, king of Sodom, and with Birsha, king of Gomorrah, Shinab, king of Admah, and Shemeber, king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar).
8 The king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar) went out; and they set the battle in array against them in the valley of Siddim;
Deuteromomy 29:23
and that the whole land of it is sulfur, and salt, and a burning, that it is not sown, nor bears, nor any grass grows therein, like the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which Hashem overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:
Hosea 11:8
“How can I give you up, Ephraim?
How can I hand you over, Israel?
How can I make you like Admah?
How can I make you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned within me,
my compassion is aroused.
(http://www.biblicalzionist.com/images/GeMaApCanaan.jpg)
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CZ,
Here is a discussion of this Torah Parasha, Parasha Nitzavim..
http://www.ou.org/torah/ti/5761/nitzavim61.htm
Therefore, Malbim says that this verse is a summary of a future encounter:
(21) And it - the later generation, your children who will arise after you - will say [and remark on the awful, but familiar, condition of the land], and the stranger who [as a result] will come from a distant land [will respond]; and they [the stranger] will see the plagues of that land and its afflictions with which Hashem afflicted it: (22) Sulfur and salt, the entire land burnt, not to be sown, nor to sprout, nor for any vegetation to come up on it - like the overthrow of Sodom, Amorah, Admah and Tzevoyim which Hashem overthrew in His anger and His wrath.
Clearly, this could not have been the original state of the land; this must have been the result of Divine intervention, punishment for the sins of the people of Israel.
In verses 23-27, the nations will ask, why did the land suffer for the sins of the people, and why was it so severely treated? The generation will counter that, while it is true that their forebears "forsook the covenant of Hashem, the G-d of their fathers," He had "made (it) with them when He took them out of the land of Egypt," long before their connection to the land. The future generation will share the stranger's amazement that the land is made to bear the punishment of the people. At first, Hashem turned His wrath against the land, and then, after exiling the people, He increased His punishments.
However, despite all this, the people will retain their importance to Hashem. They will not have been absorbed into their exile. Although the exile will have occurred many generations before, they will appear "as at this day", as if the exile had just transpired.
Still, says Moshe, there will be no answer to the essential question: Why will the land have endured these afflictions? Therefore, Moshe provides this answer in advance, which the future generation will say to the nations: The full understanding of the exile will remain unrevealed, known only by Hashem.
On the other hand, "the revealed matters" - namely, the Torah and the commandments - remain, even in exile, "for us and for our children forever, to fulfill all the words of this Torah" to preserve us. Finally, when we will repent, the land will be healed of its afflictions. The land will not respond to anyone else, and will wait, like a woman whose beloved husband has traveled far away, for our return.
Malbim explains that this passage is a crucial postscript to the previous chapter of admonishments. The people might have thought that, once those horrendous and terrifying punishments will have been executed in full measure, the covenant with Hashem would have come to an end. On the contrary, Moshe teaches, Providence will make the land absorb the brunt of Hashem's wrath, while the people will retain their distinctiveness in exile, so the covenant will still be in effect.
If while in Galut the Jewish people repent and are faithful to the Torah then Hashem will remain with them in exile. They will yearn to return to the land, where all the commandments can be fulfilled. They will then be able to return to the land, and to Him, in love.
It is clear from this Parasha why Hashem destroyed the land:
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading_cdo/aid/53151/showrashi/true
23. And all the nations will say, Why did the Lord do so to this land? What [is the reason] for this great rage of fury?
24. Then they will say, It is because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord, G-d of their fathers, [the covenant] which He made with them when He took them out of the land of Egypt,
25. For they went and served other deities, prostrating themselves to them deities which they had not known, and which He had not apportioned to them.
26. And the Lord's fury raged against that land, bringing upon it the entire curse written in this book.
27. And the Lord uprooted them from upon their land, with fury, anger and great wrath, and He cast them to another land, as it is this day.
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Thank you Muman
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So called Christian Zionist, I know what's in my closet, what's in yours? You remind me of someone who needs to have a mask pulled off their face so that we can all see what's underneath? Really let me help you take that mask off. I just have a sense that it's about three million times more obscene and ugly than anything I ever did. I was no angel, but I never lied, cheated, treated someone as I wouldn't want to be treated myself. I know at least a handful of gays ( granted that's not many). I have not an iota, a shred of doubt, that when they face G-d, they will be in beteer stead than some on this forum
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On another note everyone, our new member Alex500 is really Robert Stark. Notice how he links to articles and interviews done by himself?
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Ruby, I won't bresponding to this thread further. Some people on this forum are truly evil as any one with common sense can see. I don't need to read thousands of pages of exegesis to know that fakes and frauds are fakes and frauds. Many many times I have condemned gay scumbags on this forum whose behavior defiled common sense and decency, but I know when all homosexual people are targeted selectively. Thanks and take care. Cz can keep on in his evil mission while hiding his true face
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JTFenthusiast2,
I think it is normal and healthy for average people to be revolted by people who are promoting and celebrating a sick and twisted lifestyle. If gay people all minded their own business and kept their orientation to themselves, this would not be an issue. It would still be very wrong, of course, but nobody would even know about it. How would anybody even know who is homosexual or not?
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Ruby, I won't bresponding to this thread further. Some people on this forum are truly evil as any one with common sense can see. I don't need to read thousands of pages of exegesis to know that fakes and frauds are fakes and frauds. Many many times I have condemned gay scumbags on this forum whose behavior defiled common sense and decency, but I know when all homosexual people are targeted selectively. Thanks and take care. Cz can keep on in his evil mission while hiding his true face
This is completely uncalled for. He is "evil" because he is shining light on the fruits of wickedness? Excuse me?
You have a choice to make: are you more loyal to G-d's truth or to the sick and degenerate culture you left?
All of the health problems that CZ has pointed out are pretty much unique to gays. Not even the heterosexuals who have anal sex have all of these diseases. It is beyond ANY doubt that homosexuals are as a group overwhelmingly more promiscuous than straights and are overwhelmingly more likely to practice highly deviant deeds like fisting, sex involving urine and feces, etc. Either you produce a scientific way to refute that or apologize to him.
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Can there be any doubt that these sick, deviant freaks - sodomites - will be burning in hellfire for eternity?
RWG
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On another note everyone, our new member Alex500 is really Robert Stark. Notice how he links to articles and interviews done by himself?
Yes. He just can't help blowing his cover.
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It is sin to use our organs of reproduction for selfish pleasure rather than for their intended purpose of reproduction within the bond of marriage.
This would include any and all sexual behaviors where one person selfishly uses another to satiate their lust.
The West has become so sexually licentious that there will be very few souls left not burning in Hell, because all of us will face Judgement from the same Heavenly Court.
Sincere repentance and turning away from our former ways is the only possible hope for anyone who has voluntarily engaged in sex outside of marriage.
It is also a sin of selfishness to look at sexual or pornographic imagery in the media, because another human being is being exploited for the selfish lust of another.
Our sexual organs are a gift from Ha'Shem which allow us to reproduce children with the same physical and mental characteristics, and the sex act itself is a metaphysical experience whereby two souls join together.
When we engage in sex for the purposes of recreational orgasms outside of marriage, we subject these miraculous organs to repeated infections, incurable diseases, and in the case of syphilis and AIDS even bodily death.
Perhaps more damaging is the effect of sexual experimentation and promiscuity on one's spiritual condition and self-image, as is evidenced by an epidemic of adolescents younger than 16 who have already experimented with every known illegal and prescription drug, as well as already having committed themselves to"lifestyle choices" like "bisexuality" / "trans-genderism" / lesbianism / etc.
The result is seen everyday -- Kids aged 13 'going on 30' -- already jaded and cynical about life -- "burn out" cases.
Most of them spend their mental energies and resources seeking self-validation in endless series of "hook ups".
By the time they are in their twenties they're incapable of any but temporary and emotionally shallow relationships built entirely on lack of commitment.
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Well said as usual massuah
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Diseases from a permiscuous lifestyle are Another curse from God!!! Why is it so hard to live a clean-normal life? Most of us live our lives with families, one partner after married, love healthy food, good music, gardening, hobbies, dedication to our churches and help charities. I am totally happy, and find nothing lacking in my life......because I am a believer and obey God's word......I have been given threefold of God's blessings.....peace, contentment, and the real living Water!
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Dr. Brennanfan don't lecture me.
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Being gay is bad m'kay.
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Cz can keep on in his evil mission while hiding his true face
Sure, I can...
Statistics We Should Know: It’s Not Just Holding Hands
• 65% of all reported AIDS cases among males in the United States since 1981 have been men engaged in homosexual behavior (Centers for Disease Control HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, Vol.9, No. 2, May, 1998).
• Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of cases of gonorrhea, hepatitis A, and hepatitis B (JAMA, 1986).
• 57% report they have had sex with more than 30 partners, and 35% claim to have had sex with over 100 partners (The Advocate, August 1994).
• 52% report they have had sex in a public park; 46% report they have had sex in a public bathroom (Genre magazine, October 1996).
• 48% of homosexuals admit to having participated in a “three-way” sexual encounter within the past five years (The Advocate, August 1994).
• A 2003 Dutch study of homosexual men discovered that the average homosexual union lasts 1 1/2 years. The study also found that men in homosexual relationships, on average, have eight partners a year outside of these relationships (Washington Times, July 11, 2003).
Homosexuality Costs Us Plenty!
$14.7 billion federal AIDS/HIV spending / 8,963 AIDS-related deaths = $1.64 million per AIDS-related death
(The Kaiser Family Foundation, 2003 & Centers for Disease Control, September 24, 2002)
Cancer Patients? $4.9 billion federal cancer-related spending / 550,000 cancer-related deaths = $8,828 per cancer-related death
(Congressional Activities Report, September 2002 & American Cancer Society, 2002)
Heart Disease? $2.58 billion federal heart disease-related spending / 710,760 heart disease-related deaths = $3,630 per heart disease-related death (American Heart Association, 2003)
According to the Journal of Clinical Pathology, homosexuals are
3.7 times more likely to be infected with gonorrhea than are heterosexuals.
According to their findings, 15.2% of homosexuals suffer pharyngeal
(throat) gonorrhea. (Source:Value of Screening for Oropharyngeal
Chlamydia Trachomatis Infection, Journal of Clinical Pathology, 1995, p.
658.)
According to Dr. Andrew Grulich at the National Institutes of
Health, 90 percent of HIV positive gay men are infected with the
Human Papillomavirus (HPV or genital warts), and 65% of HIV negative
gay men are infected with HPV, an incurable sexually transmitted
disease. (Source: ;Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men, Cancer News,
August 17, 2000.)
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homosexuality is bad m'kay.
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All of the health problems that CZ has pointed out are pretty much unique to gays. Not even the heterosexuals who have anal sex have all of these diseases. It is beyond ANY doubt that homosexuals are as a group overwhelmingly more promiscuous than straights and are overwhelmingly more likely to practice highly deviant deeds like fisting, sex involving urine and feces, etc. Either you produce a scientific way to refute that or apologize to him.
You are right Brennan Fan, I was indeed pointing out to the "uniqueness" of gays. Thank you!
Here is more info:
# On April 25, 2001, the CDC reported that "We are seeing substantial increases in sexually transmitted diseases among men who have sex with men in multiple locations across this country." (31, 32).
# gays are responsible for the "first sexually transmitted outbreak of typhoid fever" in the history of the United States. This disease is caused by ingesting human feces (32).
# More than 10% of gays in major U.S. urban areas are infected with HIV. To this day, they still make up more than 50% of reported AIDS cases in the United States (30, 31).
# gays fellate almost 100% of their sexual contacts and ingest semen from about half of those. Semen contains virtually every germ carried in the blood stream, so this is about equivalent to ingesting raw human blood (6).
# One study reports 70% of gays admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).
# One study reports that the average gay has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
# Sperm readily penetrates the anal wall (which is only one cell thick) and gains direct access to the blood stream. This causes massive immunological damage to the body's T- and B-cell defensive systems (14).
# 50% of male syphilis is carried by gays as a rectal infection and can enter through the urethra of another gay during anal sex (7).
# Around 67-80% of gays lick and/or insert their tongues into the anuses of their partners (called "rimming", anilingus, fecal sex, etc.) and ingest biologically significant amounts of feces (7), which is the chief cause of hepatitis and parasitic infections among gays 8. This practice is called the "prime taste treat in sex" in the bestseller The Joy of Gay Sex.
# 33% of gays admit to fisting (inserting the hand, sometimes part of the arm, into the rectum of his partner) (7).
# Urinating on each other ("golden showers") and torture has doubled among gays since the 1940s, and fisting has increased astronomically (7).
# 17% of gays eat and/or rub the feces of their partners on themselves (4).
# 12% of gays give/receive enemas as part of sexual pleasure (4).
# In one study, the average gay fellated somewhere between 20 and 106 men, swallowed 50 seminal discharges, had 72 penile penetrations of the anus, and ingested feces of 23 different men EVERY YEAR (6).
# Many gay sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).
# Many gays don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: "Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior" (16).
# Activities of gays involve rimming (anilingus), golden showers, fisting, and using "toys" (21).
# gays got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence" (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels "subjective distress") (27).
# gays account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.
# gays live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).
# 73% of psychiatrists say gays are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).
# 25-33% of gays and dykes are alcoholics (11).
# Of gays questioned in one study, 43% admitted to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admitted to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% said that half of those partners were total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts were one night stands (or, as one gay admits in the film "The Castro," one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many gays to go to "cruisy areas" and have anonymous sex.
# 78% of gays are affected by STDs (20).
# Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, "Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities" (10).
# Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, "30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals" (10).
# 50% of suicides can be attributed to gays (10).
# Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, "Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person" (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.
# It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of gays, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).
# One study reports that 90% of gays have engaged in anal sex, and 66% engage in anal sex regularly (6).
# gays were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, gays account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
# gays account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne
# 10% of gays admit to eating feces and/or drinking contaminated enema water
# 29% of gays engage in urine sex ("golden showers")
# 37% of gays engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach gays how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism
# In large cities, hospitals are often called on to remove objects from the rectums of gays. Sometimes, the gays do so much damage that they have to wear colostomy bags for the rest of their lives
# 41% of gays say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs
# Depending on the city, 39-59% of gays are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries
# The median age of death of gays is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75
# The median age of death of dykes is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79
# gays are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another gay) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident
# 21% of dykes die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things
# 50% of the calls to a hotline to report "queer bashing" involved domestic violence (i.e., gays beating up other gays)
# About 50% of the women on death row are dykes
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REFERENCES
(1) Advocate, 1985.
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.
(5) "Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea." Lancet, April 25, 1987.
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men." New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
8. Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(10) Kaifetz, J. "Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some," Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.
(11) Kus, R. "Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America." Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994.
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. "Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens." J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy
(16) MsKusick, L. et. al. "AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco." Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(20) Rueda, E. "The Homosexual Network." Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, "Can We Talk."
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.
(25) "The Overhauling of Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987.
(26) United States Census Bureau
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
(28) University of Chicago's Nation Research Corp.
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
(30) Reuters, Feb. 5, 2001
(31) Center for Disease Control
(32) Associated Press, April 25, 2001
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Here is another disease unique to gays:
Even the liberal Reuters is admitting it...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1337175820080114
(http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080114&t=2&i=2769947&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2008-01-14T231714Z_01_N13371758_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0)
Reuters) - A drug-resistant strain of potentially deadly bacteria has moved beyond the borders of U.S. hospitals and is being transmitted among gay men during sex, researchers said on Monday.
They said methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, is beginning to appear outside hospitals in San Francisco, Boston, New York and Los Angeles.
Sexually active gay men in San Francisco are 13 times more likely to be infected than their heterosexual neighbors, the researchers reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
"Once this reaches the general population, it will be truly unstoppable," said Binh Diep, a researcher at the University of California, San Francisco who led the study. "That's why we're trying to spread the message of prevention."
According to chemical analyses, bacteria are spreading among the gay communities of San Francisco and Boston, the researchers said.
"We think that it's spread through sexual activity," Diep said.
This superbug can cause life-threatening and disfiguring infections and can often only be treated with expensive, intravenous antibiotics.
It killed about 19,000 Americans in 2005, most of them in hospitals, according to a report published in October in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
About 30 percent of all people carry ordinary staph chronically. It can be passed by touching other people or by depositing the bacteria on surfaces or objects.
The bacteria can cause deep-tissue infections if they enter the body through a wound in the skin.
Of those people who carry staph, most carry it in their noses but community-based MRSA also can live in and around the anus and is passed between sexual partners.
Incidence of MRSA is rising along with the resurgence of syphilis, rectal gonorrhea, and new HIV infections partly because of changes in beliefs about the severity of HIV and an increase in risky behaviors, such as illicit drug use and having sex that abrades the skin, Diep's team wrote.
"Your likelihood of contracting each of these diseases increases with the number of sexual partners that you have," Diep said. "The same can probably be said for MRSA."
Staph infections often look like raised red dots on the skin. Left untreated, the areas can swell and fill with pus.
The best way to avoid infection is by washing the hands or genitals with soap and water, Diep said.
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^That sounds horrible. It also sounds like one needs to go out of their way, commit sexual impropriety, in order to catch it. The same as AIDS, either intervenous drug use or unprotected sex/sex with multiple partners [now that blood transfusions are carefully monitored]. Chaim made a point how AIDS research dwarfs things like heart disease research, and I hope this "superbug" does not steal away from fighting illnesses that attack people at random and affect a large part of society instead of killer STDs. The seemingly obvious solution to not catching AIDS or this new infection is... don't whore yourself out [even if someone commits homosexual acts, which I am against, they can still be monogamous, if not, then that is clearly a severe mental disorder].
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CZ, you are really a complete moron. You're cutting and pasting from internet websites whose only purpose is to encourage hatred of homosexual people is very telling. Your sources are greater than 20 years old. In medicine, every fours years 50 percent of what you learn is outdated in WRONG. That's not my opinion, that's fact. As for MRSA, healthcare workers are all colonized with MRSA. You people are doing a lot of evil on this forum with respect to the deliberate spread of misinformation. When G-d judges you for the deliberate evil you do, I won't be sorry that I rebuked you for it. A lot of people on this forum are full of drek, hiding their own sexual problems, pretending they are superior to others. These are the folks that are going straight to Gehenom
If I thought you were remotely educable, I would go through each of your copy and pastes and correct you, but you aren't worth my spit, never mind my time
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CZ, you are really a complete moron. You're cutting and pasting from internet websites whose only purpose is to encourage hatred of homosexual people is very telling. Your sources are greater than 20 years old. In medicine, every fours years 50 percent of what you learn is outdated in WRONG. That's not my opinion, that's fact. As for MRSA, healthcare workers are all colonized with MRSA. You people are doing a lot of evil on this forum with respect to the deliberate spread of misinformation. When G-d judges you for the deliberate evil you do, I won't be sorry that I rebuked you for it. A lot of people on this forum are full of drek, hiding their own sexual problems, pretending they are superior to others. These are the folks that are going straight to Gehenom
If I thought you were remotely educable, I would go through each of your copy and pastes and correct you, but you aren't worth my spit, never mind my time
But one thing is clear from Torah, a man who has sex with a man is an abomination to Hashem. Do not make excuses by saying others have their issues... One must condemn what is evil in the eye of G-d... We should also make clear that in order for a Jew to follow the Mitzvot he must observe Shabbat as it is commanded...
I am puzzled with you JTFEnthusiast... You constantly make excuses for an obviously wrong lifestyle choice... I don't understand how your doing so {making excuses} helps them in the least. Instead you seem to want to lead others into a wrong lifestyle choice. At least I am able to rebuke those who engage in the drug and hippy lifestyle because I have experience in those areas... You should use your 'teshuva' to help others, not place stumbling blocks before them..
Whether or not the facts indicate that homo life is more prone to disease is not the point.
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CZ, you are really a complete moron. You're cutting and pasting from internet websites whose only purpose is to encourage hatred of homosexual people is very telling. Your sources are greater than 20 years old. In medicine, every fours years 50 percent of what you learn is outdated in WRONG. That's not my opinion, that's fact. As for MRSA, healthcare workers are all colonized with MRSA. You people are doing a lot of evil on this forum with respect to the deliberate spread of misinformation. When G-d judges you for the deliberate evil you do, I won't be sorry that I rebuked you for it. A lot of people on this forum are full of drek, hiding their own sexual problems, pretending they are superior to others. These are the folks that are going straight to Gehenom
If I thought you were remotely educable, I would go through each of your copy and pastes and correct you, but you aren't worth my spit, never mind my time
What we say isn't because we have sexual problems...I don't know where you assume that.
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Whatever Muman. I said before and I have condemned many times (and will continue to do so) on this forum gay people who behave in ways that are abominable. Truly there are too many to list. What I wont do and what I think is disgusting is the amount of lying that goes on in this forum about every gay person who ever lived. Before I was abstinent, you people would have been speaking about ME. The lies/mistruths/exaggerations perpetrated by CZ are lies that result in violence against gay men and women. That's vile. You can't separate the verbal gay bashing from the physical anymore than hating on Jews verbally leads to violence against Jews The lies that CZ states would have been about ME. I know I was never the pariah that people like CZ want to present. So I'm sorry Muman but I'm very f**king offended. I was not talking to you or Dr. Dan or Ruby. I am talking about CZ specifically and the people on this forum who want to make all gays sound like monsters. While many are some of the worst most vicious offenders of family values and seem to enjoy making a mockery out of anything decent, that is not a great handful of gays; they are not the people I was friends with or who shared my pain as any good friend does with another in the course of life. Just because I am no longer actively involved in the gay lifestyle doesnt mean I developed amnesia for the drek I took from people like CZ. And yes people that are obsessed with homosexuality do have many things to hide. I know that from living in the world and seeing these creatures slither out when they need sex only to be the most vile disseminators of anti-gay persecution during the daylight hours. I'm sick of arguing about this on this forum. It's completely a waste of my time. That many of you folks seem to passively allow this kind of drek is on your souls, not mine. There is a huge difference between being against homosexuality and lying, persecuting, and doing everything you can to make homosexuals a persecuted minority.
I'll reiterate for those who seem to think I am some kind of gay right's advocate who can't seem to remember anything I say in my posts:
I am against gay pride day.
I do not believe in so called gay marriage
I do not believe seeing two people holding hands of the same sex walking down the street is something to celebrate--AT ALL
I do believe that promiscuity is a majority path to HIV among gays. I do not pretend that heterosexuals are at the same level of risk
I do believe that many STDS amongst gay men would be lower if they stopped trying to screw everything that moved and thought with their brains and not with their d**ks.
What I have no tolerance for is what I stated above and if you people don't like it, then I'm sorry, but I lived it and I know what it's like to be actively discriminated against. I decided to no longer act on my desires, not to become an idiot and forget the [censored] I took from people who weren't worth my fingernail clippings. That you find that to be a source of gay pride is bewildering.
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Gays are monsters until they change their ways, it's reality, face it already.
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Ron,
I know you have spoiled brat syndrome and therefore you think the world cares about your beliefs, but they don't. The vast majority of people here at JTF find you to be an offensive self-important teenager who probably wasn't hit nearly enough as a kid.
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Ron,
I know you have spoiled brat syndrome and therefore you think the world cares about your beliefs, but they don't. The vast majority of people here at JTF find you to be an offensive self-important teenager who probably wasn't hit nearly enough as a kid.
And you're a faggot.
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Ron,
I know you have spoiled brat syndrome and therefore you think the world cares about your beliefs, but they don't. The vast majority of people here at JTF find you to be an offensive self-important teenager who probably wasn't hit nearly enough as a kid.
And you're a faggot.
Ron,
Do you think that bothers me even a little? The fact is that you would be one toothless punk if you ever said that to my face. So calling me a 'faggot' doesn't mean drek. You're a hated little kike with no manners or respect for other people
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Ron,
I know you have spoiled brat syndrome and therefore you think the world cares about your beliefs, but they don't. The vast majority of people here at JTF find you to be an offensive self-important teenager who probably wasn't hit nearly enough as a kid.
And you're a faggot.
Ron,
Do you think that bothers me even a little? The fact is that you would be one toothless punk if you ever said that to my face. So calling me a 'faggot' doesn't mean drek. You're a hated little kike with no manners
Here he comes out of the closet
oops
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Sorry Ron, I'm a Jew and you're a spoiled little brat who uses the word KIKE all the time yourself. You called me a faggot first and I'm giving you your medicine right back at you. As I said, you're a hated person on this forum minus a few who come to your defense. You insult our best Christian allies on here. You aren't fit to clean their toilets.