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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 03, 2010, 08:18:42 PM
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To JTFEnthusiast in particular but all JTFers in general:
For the record--and I can't believe I have to explain this--I don't believe that homosexuals should all be killed any more than I do blacks (well, being black is not a sin, but I digress). I have nothing but sympathy for people who are trying to fight this horrible temptation, and I am more or less neutral towards gays who just mind their own business and don't try to shove their (sick) way of life down society's throat. (What they are doing is still very wrong, but it doesn't provoke my outrage.) The only gays I utterly hate are those who are trying to brainwash society into accepting and blessing their perversion--celebrities such as Eminem, Katy Perry, Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga, etc. I do think the above persons warrant the worst hellfire imaginable and won't apologize for that. I think that the whole entire gay movement is evil to the core and deserves the worst divine punishment that exists. (I'm not singling out gays; I feel just the same way about heterosexuals who promote perversion in society, like Vanessa Hudgens [yimach schma].)
I don't know how you felt personally judged from a thread that was solely intended to attack Eminem. Where did I imply that you agreed with him, or were a fan of his, or that you should be judged just like he is?
The second issue addressed was that a very valued and trusted member here (Christian Zionist) was mercilessly attacked when he did nothing wrong. He has every right to raise the issue of the consequences of the sin of homosexuality. He was accused of being a liar and called all sorts of horrible things. I would like for you to point out to me (this can be over PM) specifically where he lied. I did not see anything he posted that looked untrue. He never said that only gays have the various diseases that he listed. Nonetheless it is true that the vast majority of people with them are homosexuals, and/or that they are uniquely prevalent in the gay community. For instance, while HPV (human papilloma virus) is a common and widespread STD among all nations and people, it is a fact that rectal HPV is pretty much limited to homosexuals. Likewise the vast majority of the people who do fisting, have sex involving urine and feces, etc. are homosexuals. I didn't see in any of that where CZ implied that you do or did those things.
I think that is about it. If anyone has anything else to add, let them do so, but I covered everything and my conscience is clear.
Dr. Brennan Fan
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Dr. Brennan Fan, I think you and JTFEnthusiast2 are in agreement about how wrong it is to shove the homosexual agenda/lifestyle down people's throats. Now you say your problem is only with people like Eminem, Lady Gaga, etc., and I see your point. However, if you're going to put up threads about these people, it usually ends up morphing into how all gays are bad, gross, etc. So if you want to continue to post about these people, why not make it about how average people can respond to these celebs. Perhaps you could write something about how ordinary people can boycott sponsors of such trash.
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Thank you Dr. Brennan Fan.
When this forum was first incorporated into http://www.jtf.org (used to be in proboards first), some gays (one guy called lulu) invaded and started educating us. Shlomo (then known as Jeffguy) led the counter attack. Most of our prominent members today were not even registered in the forum at that time. I posted the same stuff that posted in the recent threads and Shlomo applauded me for that. It was Shlomo who taught me about GRID which was the original name for AIDS. It is in the Save America section.
JTF is a religious forum. Religious Jews and Gentiles come here because they fear God of the Bible, love the Torah and love the nation of Israel. It is disturbing to see how certain people are sympathetic to the cause of gays in the forum. This is how gays invade into religious institutions. In one sense I am glad that certain members of the forum started manifesting and we know who they really are.
As you described Dr. Brennan Fan, I don't believe all gays should be killed either. I have sympathy for a gay or lesbian who realize that they are enslaved in sinful lifestyle. They have hope if they repent and read the Torah regularly, God can set them free. However I have no sympathy for gays or pro-gays who try to "educate" others.
As Ron stated in the gay-communism-nazi thread, gays invoke the wrath of God even if they practice it in secret. This was the only sin that deserved a special punishment during the days of Abraham and Lot. Gays defile societies and civilization. Members with sympathetic views of gays are really defiling the JTF forum.
I also thought about my post regarding homosexuality and diseases - I should have stated that homosexuality itself is a disease.
The film "Boys Beware" in the 50's is about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4enfUyGWSY
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Thank you Dr. Brennan Fan.
When this forum was first incorporated into http://www.jtf.org (used to be in proboards first), some gays (one guy called lulu) invaded and started educating us. Shlomo (then known as Jeffguy) led the counter attack. Most of our prominent members today were not even registered in the forum at that time. I posted the same stuff that posted in the recent threads and Shlomo applauded me for that. It was Shlomo who taught me about GRID which was the original name for AIDS. It is in the Save America section.
JTF is a religious forum. Religious Jews and Gentiles come here because they fear G-d of the Bible, love the Torah and love the nation of Israel. It is disturbing to see how certain people are sympathetic to the cause of gays in the forum. This is how gays invade into religious institutions. In one sense I am glad that certain members of the forum started manifesting and we know who they really are.
As you described Dr. Brennan Fan, I don't believe all gays should be killed either. I have sympathy for a gay or lesbian who realize that they are enslaved in sinful lifestyle. They have hope if they repent and read the Torah regularly, G-d can set them free. However I have no sympathy for gays or pro-gays who try to "educate" others.
As Ron stated in the gay-communism-nazi thread, gays invoke the wrath of G-d even if they practice it in secret. This was the only sin that deserved a special punishment during the days of Abraham and Lot. Gays defile societies and civilization. Members with sympathetic views of gays are really defiling the JTF forum.
I also thought about my post regarding homosexuality and diseases - I should have stated that homosexuality itself is a disease.
The film "Boys Beware" in the 50's is about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4enfUyGWSY
Remember that the sin of homosexual relations has the same punishment as:
Desecrating Shabbat
Murder
Idolatry
Adultery
Do you see something common in all of them?
And as I said before, Sdom and Amora were not primarily destroyed for the gay sex... That was just a symptom of the larger problem that the inhabitants had very bad character traits, the opposite of Kindness, they were rude and instituted laws which were rude to guests...
Also, you understand that Abraham, our father, davened to Hashem to spare the righteous inhabitants of Sdom... It is not possible that everyone in Sdom was a sinner...
http://www.tanach.org/breishit/vayera/vayera.htm
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No Guests Allowed!
Although "mishpat" may be found in Sdom, "tzedek" is most definitely absent. The best example is the account of the city's reaction to Lot's harboring of his two guests. Review the story from 19:1, and we'll pick up the narrative from 19:4.
"...they [his two guests] had not lain down yet when the townspeople, the men of Sdom, gathered outside his house - from young to old - all the people until the edge [of the city]. And they protested [outside his house] and shouted: 'Where are those men who came to visit you this evening? Take them out of your house so we can know them [v'nay'da'eym]." (see 19:4-5)
Most of us are familiar with Rashi's interpretation, that the gathering consisted of merely a small group of the lowest social and ethical stratum of Sdom, who wanted to 'know them' in the Biblical sense (based on 19:8 and 13:13; see also 4:1 and further iyun section) [See board #2]. Simple "pshat," however [as Rasag & Ramban claim], is that the entire city joined in the protest demonstration.
Why were they protesting? As Ramban explains so beautifully (see his pirush on 19:5), the Sdomites protested against "hachnasat orchim" - taking in strange visitors!
There's a strict law in Sdom: no guests allowed! The Ramban explains that the Sdomites don't want to ruin their exclusive [suburban] neighborhood. Should Lot accommodate guests this evening, tomorrow night more guests will come. [like cats,] by the end of the month, the city streets will be flooded with transients and beggars. Should the 'word get out' that there is 'free lodging' in Sdom, their 'perfect' city would be ruined. Furthermore, if everyone agrees not to take care of the needy, the needy will ultimately learn to take care of themselves. Thus, in the 'best interest' of the needy, the government of Sdom enacted such a policy (see board #3).
Hence, should any citizen ["chas v'shalom"] bring home a guest, the city's 'steering committee' immediately calls for a public protest. [See also Sanhedrin 109a.]
Sdom may have "mishpat," a standardized system of laws, but it is warped. Not to mention the fact that "tzedaka" had no place whatsoever in this bastion of amorality.
[Chazal remark in Pirkei Avot that the social norm of "sheli sheli, shelkha shelkha" - what is mine is mine, what is yours is yours - is a 'custom of Sdom.' The attribution of this social philosophy to Sdom reflects this same understanding (see Pirkei Avot 5:10 - "arba midot b'adam...").]
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Remember that the sin of homosexual relations has the same punishment as:
Desecrating Shabbat
Murder
Idolatry
Adultery
Do you see something common in all of them?
And as I said before, Sdom and Amora were not primarily destroyed for the gay sex... That was just a symptom of the larger problem that the inhabitants had very bad character traits, the opposite of Kindness, they were rude and instituted laws which were rude to guests...
Also, you understand that Abraham, our father, davened to Hashem to spare the righteous inhabitants of Sdom... It is not possible that everyone in Sdom was a sinner...
I do see the commonality in all of them according to the law of Moses but the Sodam-Gomorrah incident pre-date the law of Moses.
Genesis 18:20
And the LORD said, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave.
Genesis 19:13
for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the LORD that the LORD has sent us to destroy it."
Ezekiel 16:49
"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.
Ezekiel 16:50 "Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me.
Therefore I removed them when I saw it.
I believe homosexuality started thriving because of their arrogance, careless ease and unwillingness to help the poor and needy. God allowed them to become moral reprobates when they neglected the poor and the needy.
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Regarding the Cry which went out from Sdom, our sages relate the following:
http://www.torah.org/learning/hamaayan/5762/vayera.html
In this light we can understand a midrash regarding the verse (18:21), "I will descend and see; if they act in accordance with her outcry, then destruction!" Rashi quotes the midrash as explaining, "Our Sages explain `her outcry' to refer to the cry of a certain girl whom they put to death in an unnatural manner because she had given food to a poor man." Why, asks R' Kook, was this a reason to destroy Sdom? Perhaps this was an isolated incident! The answer is that even if such a murder did happen only once, it is a sign of a society's depravity that it happened at all. (Quoted in Likutei Ha'reiyah II p. 29)
http://www.chabad.org/global/popup/default_cdo/aid/2620/a/vayeira22_1b/jewish/Commentary.htm
Because the cry of [the victims of] Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous (18:20)
In Sodom it was decreed: "Whoever hands a piece of bread to a pauper or stranger shall be burned at the stake."
Plotit, the daughter of Lot, was married to one of the leading citizens of Sodom. One day, she saw a pauper starving in the street, and her soul was saddened over him. What did she do? Every day, when she went to draw water from the well, she would take some of the food from her home in her pitcher and feed the pauper. But the people of Sodom wondered, "This pauper, how is he surviving?" Eventually the matter became known and she was taken out to be burned, and her cries rose to the Divine Throne.
(Pirkei d'Rabbi Eliezer, ch. 25)
Our Rabbis taught: The men of Sodom were corrupted only on account of the good which G-d had lavished upon them... They said: Since there comes forth bread out of our earth, and it has the dust of gold, why should we suffer wayfarers, who come to us only to deplete our wealth? Come, let us abolish the practice of lodging travelers in our land...
If a person had rows of bricks the Sodomites came and each took one brick, saying, I have taken only one. If a person spread out garlic or onions to dry, each one came and took one, saying, I have taken only one.
There were four judges in Sodom: Shakrai, Shakurai, Zayyafi, and Mazle Dina. If a man assaulted his neighbor's wife and caused her to miscarry, they would say to the husband, Give her to him, that he may make her pregnant for you. If one cut off the ear of his neighbor's donkey, they would order, Give it to him until it grows again. If one wounded his neighbor they would say to the victim, Pay him a fee for bleeding you.
They had beds upon which travelers slept. If the guest was too long, they shortened him; if too short, they stretched him out.
If a poor man happened to come there, every resident gave him a dinar, upon which he wrote his name, but no bread was sold to him. When he died, each came and took back his dinar.
A certain maiden gave some bread to a poor man, hiding it in a pitcher. When the matter becoming known, they daubed her with honey and placed her on the parapet of the wall, and the bees came and consumed her. Thus it is written: "And G-d said: 'The cry of Sodom and Gomorrah, because it is great.'"
(Talmud, Sanhedrin 108b-109a)
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I don't believe that homosexuality is the very worst of sins, but it is by far the sin that is the most promoted and hyped these days. There is not an organized adultery lobby, murder lobby, lying lobby, etc.
That is why it gets so much focus.
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i dont know why media in the west give so much importance to liberty of "gays" and "lesbians". Fortunately in India, nobody gives too hoots about them. Personally i have never come across any gays. Till recently India had laws that consider gay/lesbianis as indulging in criminality, until the courts recently abolished the laws of past.
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Dr. Brennan Fan, I think you and JTFEnthusiast2 are in agreement about how wrong it is to shove the homosexual agenda/lifestyle down people's throats.
and up people's rectums. :o :laugh:
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You know in Sodom the people actually had the "tradition" of gang raping men who strayed into their town. That is what sodomy is truly about.
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Since Muslims are the only one who kill gays now, what about a Gay Pride Parade in Mecca for Ramadan. If Arabs oppose, sue them for discrimination.
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Thank you Dr. Brennan Fan.
When this forum was first incorporated into http://www.jtf.org (used to be in proboards first), some gays (one guy called lulu) invaded and started educating us. Shlomo (then known as Jeffguy) led the counter attack. Most of our prominent members today were not even registered in the forum at that time. I posted the same stuff that posted in the recent threads and Shlomo applauded me for that. It was Shlomo who taught me about GRID which was the original name for AIDS. It is in the Save America section.
JTF is a religious forum. Religious Jews and Gentiles come here because they fear G-d of the Bible, love the Torah and love the nation of Israel. It is disturbing to see how certain people are sympathetic to the cause of gays in the forum. This is how gays invade into religious institutions. In one sense I am glad that certain members of the forum started manifesting and we know who they really are.
As you described Dr. Brennan Fan, I don't believe all gays should be killed either. I have sympathy for a gay or lesbian who realize that they are enslaved in sinful lifestyle. They have hope if they repent and read the Torah regularly, G-d can set them free. However I have no sympathy for gays or pro-gays who try to "educate" others.
As Ron stated in the gay-communism-nazi thread, gays invoke the wrath of G-d even if they practice it in secret. This was the only sin that deserved a special punishment during the days of Abraham and Lot. Gays defile societies and civilization. Members with sympathetic views of gays are really defiling the JTF forum.
I also thought about my post regarding homosexuality and diseases - I should have stated that homosexuality itself is a disease.
The film "Boys Beware" in the 50's is about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4enfUyGWSY
Well as one old timer to another I tell you threads like this are not going to get the movement here very far.... I signed up on the Proboards forum with Yacov and the handful of other members from JTF's old QPTV, Manhattan Cable days almost on the opening day of that forum. Despite a very busy lifestyle I put in a great deal of time here on forum. I try to watch forum trends over the years. What brings new people in and what does not... Threads like the one in question seem to get the handful hard core members posting in a can you top this fashion but really end up showing a radical tendency in our movement....The Gay issue is always the worse it brings out a level of stupidity and crassness that really is below educated people... I often come away from threads like this with a they protest to much notion in my head. Medical and religious facts are fine in a thread like that but once the "[censored]" comments start everything goes down the tubes.
Proboards JTF and JTF forum in it's early days was far different then what we have today it was an easier going more friendly place and the numbers show that... For new forums the numbers were always impressive... People came and stayed for a while... It really is to bad the old Kahane Forum is taken down because that was a prime example of how to kill a forum and make it unappealing to new membership.... I don't want to see our forum over run by moderates and liberals but I do want people interested in our movement to come here and see whats here stay a while bring in an additional friend or two. I always saw JTF as a Religious and Political movement which allowed it to appeal to a larger demographic of Conservative minded people. While it is important to show the dangers of what happens when Gay activist agendas become the norm in society we also have to remember there are bigger issues facing the well being of Israel and America today.
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Great post, DBF and CZ.
This is what I was talking about when I said expressing yourself in an educated manner and not screaming was the best way to go. I know the both of you did that and clarified yourselves extremely well. Bravo! I appeal to Ron to do the best he can on future threads. I know I don't misunderstand him, but people who don't know him will. Ron reminds me of a younger version of DBF aka CF
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I don't believe that homosexuality is the very worst of sins, but it is by far the sin that is the most promoted and hyped these days. There is not an organized adultery lobby, murder lobby, lying lobby, etc.
That is why it gets so much focus.
You have a strong point except for the murder lobby. Both abortion and euthanasia are being pushed for very hard by liberals and many people have died from both.
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i dont know why media in the west give so much importance to liberty of "gays" and "lesbians". Fortunately in India, nobody gives too hoots about them. Personally i have never come across any gays. Till recently India had laws that consider gay/lesbianis as indulging in criminality, until the courts recently abolished the laws of past.
India has so many people that some people being gay are like a drop in the bucket. For a smaller country it can really harm the society if many people engage in active homosexuality, push for adopting children when there are two men or two women instead of a mother and father, etc. In the West the liberal goal is to destablize the family. When a liberal sees a white mother and father, and a child that looks like them, the liberal gets angry. Anything they can do to destablize this family they will do. They feel this family is too homogeneous.
They want diversity in the family, and feel the traditional structure of the family is oppressive.
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DBN if you were a professor in Israel you would lose your job :::D :::D
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3914683,00.html
University dismisses lecturer over anti-gay remark
Ben-Gurion University cancels bioethics course after Dr. Yeruham Leavitt says children of same-sex couples deprived of 'normal' upbringing. Lecturer: Personal opinions allowed in ethics courses
Ilana Curiel
Published: 07.04.10, 12:28 / Israel News
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A bioethics course taught by Dr. Yeruham Leavitt at Ben-Gurion University was canceled after he implied that homosexuality was a flaw that could be "contained", Ynet learned Sunday.
Leavitt, a professor emeritus and a resident of the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba, has been teaching the course to students at the Clinical Pharmacology Department for years. About a month ago he received a letter saying the course had been cancelled due to a "hurtful and inappropriate" remark he made in class.
During a discussion on artificial insemination among same-sex couples, a female student said children of gay parents may be influenced by their parents' sexual inclination. Another student, a homosexual, took offense to the comment and said clinical research has shown children of same-sex couples develop normally.
The student said sexual tendencies are not a matter of choice, but Leavitt claimed same-sex couples may harm children who are uncertain of their sexual preferences and deprive them of a "normal" family life.
According to the lecturer, sexual inclination can be chosen and contained. "Take me for example. I'm attracted to all women – but I contain myself," he said. "So can homosexuals."
Some students who were offended by the remarks complained to the university's faculty committee, which summoned Leavitt. During the hearing, the lecturer admitted to making the remarks and said they had been understood correctly by his students.
Leavitt claimed it was acceptable to voice personal opinions during ethics courses.
Ynet obtained a letter in which Prof. Riad Agbaria, head of the Clinical Pharmacology Department, confirmed that Leavitt's contract has been terminated.
"There is no room for personal opinions that offend some of the students," the letter read.
The faculty committee decided to cancel the course.
Dr. Leavitt told Ynet, "My embarrassing dismissal from Ben-Gurion University constitutes a severe violation of basic rights, including the right to dignity, academic freedom and freedom of expression."
The lecturer, who said the affair hurt his reputation, added, "I have nothing against the gay and lesbian community. Moreover, during my many years at the university I have always instilled the values of tolerance and liberalism."
Leavitt called the administrative procedure that lead to his dismissal "undemocratic" and "inappropriate."
The university said in a statement, "The lecturer made a categorical comment on the homosexuality phenomenon. During his hearing, (Leavitt) did not apologize for his offensive comments and even repeated them.
"Ben-Gurion University sanctifies freedom of thought and expression, but the lecturer blatantly crossed the line," the statement rea
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First of all, to avoid any misunderstanding, I am completely on the same page as Dr Brennan Fan’s first post, which is very well put, so I have nothing to add to it.
I just want to say that I think it is a mistake to believe that sexual inclination can be chosen. I guess that when you are naturally attracted to men and feel (sexually) indifferent to women, you will not be able to reverse the natural course of your attraction by a simple decree of your will. It should be a simple fact to understand when you are a heterosexual normal person and, as such, you feel no attraction to men.
A religious person who has a homosexual inclination has no choice but to stop all sexual activity (or to live in sin) but there is no way he can become attracted by women.
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gays are bad m'kay.
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Yaacov mendel has a good point. With that being said, if the homosexual desire is a flaw, we doctors and psychologists, and spiritual leaders need to get to the bottom of this sickness find out how its caused and fix it. If we can make 3D tvs fly to the mone create atomic bombs create medicines to prolong the life of the sick, then we can figure out this flaw and fix it rather than ignore it ba accepting it or (being blindly intolerant instead of being compassionate yet hate the behavior).
The only problem is that it seems that 99 percent of homosexuals acting or not acting on their behaviors refuse to accept homosexuality to be a flaw that should be "cured".
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First of all, to avoid any misunderstanding, I am completely on the same page as Dr Brennan Fan’s first post, which is very well put, so I have nothing to add to it.
I just want to say that I think it is a mistake to believe that sexual inclination can be chosen. I guess that when you are naturally attracted to men and feel (sexually) indifferent to women, you will not be able to reverse the natural course of your attraction by a simple decree of your will. It should be a simple fact to understand when you are a heterosexual normal person and, as such, you feel no attraction to men.
A religious person who has a homosexual inclination has no choice but to stop all sexual activity (or to live in sin) but there is no way he can become attracted by women.
Whenever I hear of people who think they can "fix" homosexuals I worry about these poor women who marry a homosexual man knowing they will be devestated when he returns to form.
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For those of you who want to try and "fix" homosexual men, let me ask you something.
Would you want your daughters or your sisters or any of your female relatives married to a man who has no interest in women? Is that really fair to your daughters, sisters, and your female relatives? Don't they deserve to be happy in their marriages?
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For those of you who want to try and "fix" homosexual men, let me ask you something.
why the quotation marks?
Would you want your daughters or your sisters or any of your female relatives married to a man who has no interest in women? Is that really fair to your daughters, sisters, and your female relatives? Don't they deserve to be happy in their marriages?
I know a guy who used to be gay and now he's more straight than most men I know. It's all psychology.
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Dr. Dan, there are no accurate medical facts in any of Christian zionist's posts.
Dr. Brennanfan, your message to me seems to answer things I never said or felt. Thank you to everyone who responded.
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Lisa
I would personally never force a homosexual to live a heterosexual life. My suggestion is to scientifically, psycologically, and spiritually find out what causes homosexuality and find a cure for it or even prevention of it ever taking place.
Currently before we have these answers, we should condemn pro homosexual behavior and show compassion towards homosexuals who stop that behavior or want to stop their behavior. We should show bo tolerance for pro sodomite groups who encourage homosexuals or heterosexuals to behave that way.
For the record, many homosexual men are attracted to men like straight women are. Its as if they were supposed to born as a woman, but something went wrong. Many of these men cannot help it the way they look at certain men especially the decent homos who know its a part of them, but want to prevent sin. Maybe when we condemn homosexual behavior we need to aknowledge that there are some people like the ones I mentioned and that we should show compassion to help them to not sin.
As far as becoming straight, that's up to the homosexual. Personally, I don't know the answer but think it is important to find the answers.
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For those of you who want to try and "fix" homosexual men, let me ask you something.
why the quotation marks?
Would you want your daughters or your sisters or any of your female relatives married to a man who has no interest in women? Is that really fair to your daughters, sisters, and your female relatives? Don't they deserve to be happy in their marriages?
I know a guy who used to be gay and now he's more straight than most men I know. It's all psychology.
I use quotation marks for fix because I've heard from a psychologist that sexual orientation is *extememly* difficult to change. Also, I used to know many gay men, back from when I was in college. They always told me that they knew since they were little, that they were "different."
As for your friend, who's now "straight," perhaps he's not giving in to his urges, or he's gone back into the closet. That doesn't make him straight.
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I use quotation marks for fix because I've heard from a psychologist that sexual orientation is *extememly* difficult to change. Also, I used to know many gay men, back from when I was in college. They always told me that they knew since they were little, that they were "different."
In Israel, there are religious organization that do that and accomplish the goal of changing gay Jews with almost no exception.
All men are created different in their psychology. They maybe felt attracted to something different, "exotic", but homosexuality was NEVER proven to be "natural" or genetic or whatever. There are many famous cases of even pedophiles who changed their orientation.
As for your friend, who's now "straight," perhaps he's not giving in to his urges, or he's gone back into the closet. That doesn't make him straight.
This is rather a speculation than argument. Prove it.
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I know a guy who used to be gay and now he's more straight than most men I know.
What do you mean ? That most men you know are not totally straight ? So what are they ? Bi-sexual ?
Usually, either you are straight or you are not, but you are not more or less straight.
It's all psychology
You know, a number of experts who have studied this subject much more extensively than you would tell you that is is certainly not that simple. So, at least, you could give us some kind of argument to back up your assertion.
Besides, if turning from gay to straight was all psychology, then, the other way round, there should be some way to turn heterosexual men into homosexual ones using some form of psychology. As far as I am concerned, no-one will ever have me have sexual intercourse with a man, whatever "psychology" is used.
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For those of you who want to try and "fix" homosexual men, let me ask you something.
Would you want your daughters or your sisters or any of your female relatives married to a man who has no interest in women? Is that really fair to your daughters, sisters, and your female relatives? Don't they deserve to be happy in their marriages?
Good point Lisa, I don't think it's very fair for someone to be married to someone and not really be able to have a deep connection with their spouse.
I don't think most gays or lesbians can change how they feel inside, any more than most straight people would ever be able to just become gay or lesbian. I don't see why anyone would ever choose to be gay and I think those who can turn away from it and truly be heterosexual are very few.
I think we need to be compassionate and understanding of this while standing firm on what God says about not engaging in homosexual sexual behaviors. Let's not drive good people that God made in His image to suicide over something they can't help. We should support them as human beings but not encourage the sinful sexual behaviors.
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I don't think most gays or lesbians can change how they feel inside, any more than most straight people would ever be able to just become gay or lesbian. I don't see why anyone would ever choose to be gay and I think those who can turn away from it and truly be heterosexual are very few.<<
Exactly, many fight it for years and cannot admit even to themselves that they are gay.
>I think we need to be compassionate and understanding of this while standing firm on what G-d says about not engaging in homosexual sexual behaviors. Let's not drive good people that G-d made in His image to suicide over something they can't help. We should support them as human beings but not encourage the sinful sexual behaviors. <
Exactly
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Remember that being 'Bisexual' is also a sin in the Torah...
Anything which involves a man having sex with a man is forbidden, regardless of the attraction or lack of attraction.
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Dr. Dan, there are no accurate medical facts in any of Christian zionist's posts.
So rectal HPV is not almost exclusively seen in homosexuals?
Dr. Brennanfan, your message to me seems to answer things I never said or felt. Thank you to everyone who responded.
You called Christian Zionist all kinds of the most vile, evil things imaginable. It is a matter of public record.
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Dr. Dan, there are no accurate medical facts in any of Christian zionist's posts.
Dr. Brennanfan, your message to me seems to answer things I never said or felt. Thank you to everyone who responded.
However, do you agree that homosexuals are at very high risk to get STD's? And if so, what's wrong with the warning that CZ brings? I personally wouldn't want to whitewash the dangers of anal sex...or for that matter an type of promiscuous sex gay or straight.
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In ancient Israel times, neighbouring pagan nations parctised homosexuality on a regular basis (whether gay oriented or not). Did Jews enter into conflict with them for that reason? Some say that Alexander the Great was gay. Did Jews have anything to say? Even more, if he was not gay, he was surely pagan and worshipped idols (also forbidden by the Noahide Laws).
Why would Jews now care to involve themselves in Gentile's problems, when there is so much work to do to protect Israel and the Jewish People?
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Thank you, Raulmarrio!
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today we have reached at such juncture because the society has become perverse among the hetrosexuals too. Conservatives in western countries gave freedom to all kinds of hetrosexuality, so the homosexuals have gone further and become more bolder. Conservative society started to accept hetrosexual marraige unions where the understanding of sanctity of virgnity was forgotten and not important. Sex before marriage, not necessarily becoming partners in future were accepted.
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I think there are some points we can agree on here:
We all agree that homosexuality is immoral behavior and we should not tolerate the behavior.
We all agree that we should not tolerate homosexuals, heterosexuals, or groups that encourage the homosexual behavior or homosexual agenda whether it is monogamous or not.
We all agree that all risky sexual actions, multiple sex partners, sex outside of marriage, anal sex, adultery, multiple sex partners, bisexuality, etc all have an increased risk of developing embarrassing and deadly STDs that can cause death, cancer, and/or sterility.
I think most of us agree that homosexuals who agree with what I wrote and don't act on these desires are our friends and we should be compassionate towards them and help them and encourage them to avoid hurting themselves mentally and physically.
I think most of us agree that heterosexuals who have problems of sleeping around who don't want to do it are on the same boat.
I think if we are going to defame a homosexual, we should note it that we are defaming the ones who are in the first category: the ones who act on their desires unapologetically and those who are for the homosexual agenda and thereby encourage others to do the same.
I think it is cut and dry....please note any disagreements any of you might have with this.
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Homosexuals are bad m'kay.
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Homosexuals are bad m'kay.
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Thanks Rubystars. I'm glad someone was getting as sick and tired of that lame attention seeking respons mmmkay?
Dr. Brennanfan, frankly I'm done with you on this forum for a good while. I'm tired of trying to salvage a working relationship with you. You and CZ. Can keep throwing in occasional facts with afactual non scientific gobbely gook about homosexuality. I'm still in between apts. and I'm not going to tap away on my iPhone about this stuff anymore
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Homosexuals are bad m'kay.
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Dr. Brennanfan, frankly I'm done with you on this forum for a good while. I'm tired of trying to salvage a working relationship with you. You and CZ. Can keep throwing in occasional facts with afactual non scientific gobbely gook about homosexuality. I'm still in between apts. and I'm not going to tap away on my iPhone about this stuff anymore
The feeling is more than mutual. You said some pretty abominable things about one of our best members and haven't shown the slightest bit of remorse. Since you are so right on this issue, how about linking us to some studies showing that it isn't almost exclusively homosexuals who have and spread rectal HPV (or who practice fisting).
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From the locked thread: Lisa said.
The fact of the matter is, JTFEnthusiast2 has chosen to not act on his attraction to other men. However, that does NOT make him a heterosexual. What he's been saying here is that he and people like him have been abused and discriminated against despite not acting on their attraction to members of the same sex. So when people here post about "Fags this fags that" of course he'll take it personally.
Very wise words. But I'd like to point out that the same apply to Blacks. How do members here think a Black person would feel if he reads " Schwartas, Haitain Grease, Negroes and that and that"?
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Very wise words. But I'd like to point out that the same apply to Blacks. How do members here think a Black person would feel if he reads " Schwartas, Haitain Grease, Negroes and that and that"?
Nobody here appreciates your constant defense of negroes. We don't judge anyone based on their race but the vast majority of blacks in this generation have chosen to be anti-Semites. At least in America, blacks are much more likely to be Nazis than whites.
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Dr. Brennanfan, frankly I'm done with you on this forum for a good while. I'm tired of trying to salvage a working relationship with you. You and CZ. Can keep throwing in occasional facts with afactual non scientific gobbely gook about homosexuality. I'm still in between apts. and I'm not going to tap away on my iPhone about this stuff anymore
The feeling is more than mutual. You said some pretty abominable things about one of our best members and haven't shown the slightest bit of remorse. Since you are so right on this issue, how about linking us to some studies showing that it isn't almost exclusively homosexuals who have and spread rectal HPV (or who practice fisting).
Rectal HPV is spread almost exclusively by homosexual activity. OK - so if you are not an active homosexual...you have nothing to fear from rectal HPV.
I would like to see the studies specific to homosexuals on the spread of HPV. I couldn't find any. I'm just curious.
MRSA is not a disease exclusive to the homosexual population, in my understanding. Nor are they spreading it more then any other group. If you want exposure to MRSA...go to the hospital, a daycare center or join a wrestling team. I'm convinced a NYC train ride could help you out with that too. Are there studies that say different?
Why do we have to keep bringing up 'fisting'? I'm just asking. It is not something I like to imagine.
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Very wise words. But I'd like to point out that the same apply to Blacks. How do members here think a Black person would feel if he reads " Schwartas, Haitain Grease, Negroes and that and that"?
Nobody here appreciates your constant defense of negroes. We don't judge anyone based on their race but the vast majority of blacks in this generation have chosen to be anti-Semites. At least in America, blacks are much more likely to be Nazis than whites.
So just because the average percentage of anti-Semites is higher among blacks than among whites in America, you feel entitled to insult all blacks. You say that you don't judge based on race. How do you think a black who supports Israel would feel if he is insulted that way?
These comments are anti-Torah and a crime against the Jewish People. Remember that there are Ethyopian Jews who are obviously black, and that any Gentile can convert to Judaism regardless of his race.
With this bigotry which is present in nearly all the world, Humanity is doomed. The only thing we can expect is a Muslim invasion in Europe, or a leftist takeover of the whole west, not only approving gay marriage and abortion, but even criminalizing heterosexuality. Don't you realise that enemies take advatage of bigoty among their victims?
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MRSA is not a disease exclusive to the homosexual population, in my understanding. Nor are they spreading it more then any other group. If you want exposure to MRSA...go to the hospital, a daycare center or join a wrestling team. I'm convinced a NYC train ride could help you out with that too. Are theres studies that say different?
I don't see where CZ said that MRSA is specifically a homosexual disease. What he meant is that within the realm of all sex, homosexuals, due to their penchant for extreme promiscuity (sometimes 10-15 partners a day in their bars and saunas) are disproportionately likely to play a role in it.
Why do we have to keep bringing up 'fisting'? I'm just asking. It is not something I like to imagine.
He took all sorts of heat for linking to a page that showed that high school students were shown a pamphlet that discussed fisting.
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So just because the average percentage of anti-Semites is higher among blacks than among whites in America, you feel entitled to insult all blacks. You say that you don't judge based on race.
Did you not read my OP, where I said that being black is not a sin?
How do you think a black who supports Israel would feel if he is insulted that way?
Obviously we do not insult righteous blacks. But very few blacks are Zionists.
These comments are anti-Torah and a crime against the Jewish People. Remember that there are Ethyopian Jews who are obviously black, and that any Gentile can convert to Judaism regardless of his race.
Would you mind explaining just how this is to Chaim and to the rest of the forum?
With this bigotry which is present in nearly all the world, Humanity is doomed. The only thing we can expect is a Muslim invasion in Europe, or a leftist takeover of the whole west, not only approving gay marriage and abortion, but even criminalizing heterosexuality. Don't you realise that enemies take advatage of bigoty among their victims?
So if you know this is true, why cause divisiveness in this thread? This whole thread is about the sodomy-acceptance movement and what it is doing to us all.
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1- You said being black is not a sin. But you insult them all.
2-When you insult them, it's obvious that ANY Black would feel hurt even if he is pro-Jewish or even if he had converted. An Ethipian Jew would also feel hurt.
3-The Jewish sages warned against involving Israel with issues not incumbent to Judaism. And it's forbidding to casue unnecessary conflicts with other nations. It's also a Chilul H" to say hurting things agaisnt people in a way that it would falsely appear that that's the way of the Torah (this forum is called jewish and even keeps Shabbat).
4- Leftists just want to destroy us. They are not even pro-gay acceptance. They side either with pro-gay marriage (Most of their supporters are actually straight), they side with Muslims who execute gays and they side with anyone who can destroy civilization. Those pro-gay adoption would have no problem in taking part in a demonstration defending Iran in case a human right organization accused Iranians of inhumanity on the execution of a supposed gay man.
Why causing divisons? A good question for you. Why annoying righteous people with racist comments?
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I guess nobody read what I wrote. I think I was clear and accurate of how things should be expressed.
First off, raul mario, being nice isn't the way to go. Being decisive accurate and strong is the way to go.
As far as homosexuality, we need to be strong in our disapproval of it. And we need to be accurate by stating that we equally abhore immoral heterosexual relations just as much, but show compassion towards those who want to change their behaviors or those who have already changed their behaviors.
In regards to blacks, chaim goes out of his to mention its not race and that the righteous do exist out of evil nations.
As with homosexuals, my recommendation is to do the same and state we equally abhore immoral sex between all things.
I think DBF and CZ and JTFe2 would agree.
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Raulmarrio,
I don't see anything racist or abusive towards Blacks in DBF's remarks in this thread.
It is a fact that a considerable proportion of Black Americans support or at least sympathize with L. Farrakhan. I think you are going way overboard when you qualify those comments as "a crime against the Jewish people" :o
Also, I'm not sure in English, but in Yiddish "schwartza" is not derogatory. Enough of the stifling political correctness !
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First off, raul mario, being nice isn't the way to go. Being decisive accurate and strong is the way to go.
Good formula, Dr. Dan, right on target.
Too many Jews and righteous Gentiles tend to behave too nicely and timidly. They do not want to confront the true nature of their ennemies. They want to please and appease. They are afraid to fight, to do the unpleasant but necessary work. The role of a Kahanist movement is to wake people up before it is too late.
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First off, raul mario, being nice isn't the way to go. Being decisive accurate and strong is the way to go.
Good formula, Dr. Dan, right on target.
Too many Jews and righteous Gentiles tend to behave too nicely and timidly. They do not want to confront the true nature of their ennemies. They want to please and appease. They are afraid to fight, to do the unpleasant but necessary work. The role of a Kahanist movement is to wake people up before it is too late.
There is a time for peace and a time for war. Indeed it is essential to treat our families, friends, neighbors as the Torah teaches... Treat your brother with kindness... There is no way one can follow the Torah without following the commands, most of which command us to treat our neighbor as we want to be treated...
But Torah also requires us to be strong in the face of enemies... We must learn the Torah lessons in order to defeat these enemies. We do not defeat them by being 'nice' or 'friendly'. We defeat them by destroying them till there is nothing left of them.
A good Jewish leader must strike a balance between being understanding of differences within the congregation of all of Israel and at the same time being strong against influences and ideas which poison the Jewish people. I believe that Judaism requires us to be prepared for two things at the same time... Attempt to acheive peace while at the same time preparing for war. Because we don't believe in Dualism, everything including the good and the bad come from Hashem.
A wise man reads the Torah and learns all the lessons, regardless of whether they conform to the current world view...
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First off, raul mario, being nice isn't the way to go. Being decisive accurate and strong is the way to go.
Good formula, Dr. Dan, right on target.
Too many Jews and righteous Gentiles tend to behave too nicely and timidly. They do not want to confront the true nature of their ennemies. They want to please and appease. They are afraid to fight, to do the unpleasant but necessary work. The role of a Kahanist movement is to wake people up before it is too late.
There is a time for peace and a time for war. Indeed it is essential to treat our families, friends, neighbors as the Torah teaches... Treat your brother with kindness... There is no way one can follow the Torah without following the commands, most of which command us to treat our neighbor as we want to be treated...
But Torah also requires us to be strong in the face of enemies... We must learn the Torah lessons in order to defeat these enemies. We do not defeat them by being 'nice' or 'friendly'. We defeat them by destroying them till there is nothing left of them.
A good Jewish leader must strike a balance between being understanding of differences within the congregation of all of Israel and at the same time being strong against influences and ideas which poison the Jewish people. I believe that Judaism requires us to be prepared for two things at the same time... Attempt to acheive peace while at the same time preparing for war. Because we don't believe in Dualism, everything including the good and the bad come from Hashem.
A wise man reads the Torah and learns all the lessons, regardless of whether they conform to the current world view...
Well said, Muman.
In this case, CZ and DBF were not in the wrong expressing themselves against the dangers of homosexuality. However, again, I need to strongly recommend that we be clear at the same time that we equally abhor immoral sex and adultery etc etc and that we embrace people who want to change for the better or who have already changed.
I think there is an over reaction by other members on this forum when this takes place. I really feel for those people and don't blame them for being upset. I think it's because of how some of us in the opposition express ourselves. There are also a few others who don't care how they express themselves and are careless. A note to the careless ones: your message won't get across anywhere and may even backfire.
CZ and DBF did nothing wrong.
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Schavartze in Yidish simply means Balck and it's not derogatory. But it's quite impolite to name a group of persons by their colour in different language from the rest of the text. Even more when criticizing them. They would either think it's an insult (since they don't know Yiddish) or even worse, that you have such an aversion to them that you cannot stand saying Black in English (as if it were a dirty word).
And regarding sexual sins, as with all personal sins, it's something between H" and the sinner. If you want to speak about the Seven Universal Laws, then you should also speak out against idolatry, and eating a limb of a living animal (you might not believe it but here there are people who eat the testicles of animal they castrate, perhaps not in America).
As a societal and political issue, what we must fight is the leftist agenda which promotes homosexual marriage, abortion and so on. Regarding private life, the only thing we can do is to teach the Noahide Laws for Gentiles and the Torah for Jews. No movement can force people to do Teshuvah. What about a person who privately (even in his mind) commits blasphemy and idolatry? What about neo-Pagans? What about atheists?
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Again raulmario, the goal is to be strongly versed when speaking about abhorrent peoples and their behaviors.
A righteous black person should understand what 99 percent of his people are comitting and not get offended. A patient one will ask what we mean. However one with a chip on his shoulder will most likely do what all koffim do and if chooses to be offended so be it. If he chooses to understand where we stand, then all the power to him. Talking nice about a people who the majority are antisemetic is not right.
The same goes with personal sins. Yes all humans sin and all who want to work on being a better person no matter how difficult to me is doing a type of tishuva. Listen, you or I are not perfect and we hope to improve ourselves each day. Others refuse to and in this regard, many homosexuals refuse to even try stopping their behavior or even admitting its wrong. And for that matter some heterosexuals come under that same category in regards to sleeping around. Our job is to uphold the rule and not look the other way.
What homosexuals and heterosexuals do is harmful for Jewish and gentile society. Jews and righteous gentiles have an obligation to unapologetically give their opinions when asked to do so.
I don't recommend for an individual to go and prostelytize since its not in his best interest, but here in this movement amongst ourselves and when we want to deliver a message representing ourselves, we caanot be apologetic or nice.
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Dr Brennanfan,
I've pretty much given up on your capacity for reason, but here's for other forum member's who actually know something about the sexual lives of Americans. Most carriers of HPV are heterosexual. Most people with HPV infections are straight. Anyone who has rectal HPV is someone who has had anal sex, and I'm sorry to report that is lots and lots of straight people. I know that contradicts your entire theory of knowledge on sex, but it's true.
And I am not remotely sorry for ONE WORD that I said about CZ, NOT ONE WORD. He's a deliberate liar who makes this forum look like a bunch of kooks. If you want to be against homosexuality, then be intelligent, don't cite articles from hate sites that are 30 years old that dont have a shred of medical validity. So get off that horse already. I am on the side of science and reason. The two of you are defending the kind of filth that results in people being attacked and murdered. You can be against homosexuality and be intelligient
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1- You said being black is not a sin. But you insult them all.
2-When you insult them, it's obvious that ANY Black would feel hurt even if he is pro-Jewish or even if he had converted. An Ethipian Jew would also feel hurt.
3-The Jewish sages warned against involving Israel with issues not incumbent to Judaism. And it's forbidding to casue unnecessary conflicts with other nations. It's also a Chilul H" to say hurting things agaisnt people in a way that it would falsely appear that that's the way of the Torah (this forum is called jewish and even keeps Shabbat).
4- Leftists just want to destroy us. They are not even pro-gay acceptance. They side either with pro-gay marriage (Most of their supporters are actually straight), they side with Muslims who execute gays and they side with anyone who can destroy civilization. Those pro-gay adoption would have no problem in taking part in a demonstration defending Iran in case a human right organization accused Iranians of inhumanity on the execution of a supposed gay man.
Why causing divisons? A good question for you. Why annoying righteous people with racist comments?
When JTF insults blacks (And this includes Chaim), we do NOT insult their genetics, we insult who they are on the INSIDE, which is at least partially (or maybe mostly) because of their hideous culture. We dont say we hate blacks because of their dark skin or their flat noses, or anything like that. We hate their culture. Their hip-hop, their hatred of jews, America, and whites in general. Their violent ways, and their overwhelming immaturity.
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In this case, CZ and DBF were not in the wrong expressing themselves against the dangers of homosexuality. However, again, I need to strongly recommend that we be clear at the same time that we equally abhor immoral sex and adultery etc etc and that we embrace people who want to change for the better or who have already changed.
I think there is an over reaction by other members on this forum when this takes place. I really feel for those people and don't blame them for being upset. I think it's because of how some of us in the opposition express ourselves. There are also a few others who don't care how they express themselves and are careless. A note to the careless ones: your message won't get across anywhere and may even backfire.
CZ and DBF did nothing wrong.
Thanks Dr. Dan. As usual you are the calm voice of common sense when we hotheads go off halfcocked.
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Dr Brennanfan, I've pretty much given up on your capacity for reason
I'll let that slide, it certainly was much nicer than the evil things you said about Christian Zionist, one of the greatest JTFers we have.
but here's for other forum member's who actually know something about the sexual lives of Americans.
Being a former practicing homosexual does not make you an expert on everyones' sex lives, or STDs.
Most carriers of HPV are heterosexual.
Another weaseling statement that has absolutely no meaning whatsoever for the current discussion. You, I, Dr. Dan, and the possum that lives in my neighbor's lemon tree all know that this discussion was about anal HPV specifically.
Most people with HPV infections are straight.
Most human beings are straight. Compare the proportion of heterosexuals infected with HPV to the proportion of homosexuals and bisexuals who have it.
Anyone who has rectal HPV is someone who has had anal sex, and I'm sorry to report that is lots and lots of straight people. I know that contradicts your entire theory of knowledge on sex, but it's true.
Another weaseling statement. The vast majority of heterosexuals do not have extreme amounts of partners and do not practice very high-risk activities. So naturally they have lower rates of rectal HPV even when they have rectal intercourse. I couldn't care less if a husband and wife have anal sex; if they do not cheat on each other they will not get rectal HPV (or any other STDs), and certainly won't spread it to the community at large. I want to hear you now try to explain away the holocaust that the homo community visited upon society in the 1980s, when blood donations were not screened for AIDS and huge numbers of innocent people died horrible deaths from this faggot plague.
And I am not remotely sorry for ONE WORD that I said about CZ, NOT ONE WORD.
Thanks for only reinforcing what was already obvious about your character all along.
He's a deliberate liar who makes this forum look like a bunch of kooks.
And you are a homosexual propagandist who wants to make gays out to be the noblest, kindest, most misunderstood of all citizens. Pleeze. Your people helped murder 6 million Jews (Hitler was very likely homosexual and several high-ranking SS/SA officials certainly were).
If you want to be against homosexuality, then be intelligent, don't cite articles from hate sites that are 30 years old that dont have a shred of medical validity.
Maybe 30 years ago people were less politically correct and brainwashed and told it like it is more.
So get off that horse already. I am on the side of science and reason.
That's a trolling statement if I've ever seen one.
The two of you are defending the kind of filth that results in people being attacked and murdered.
How about talking about all the crimes that your precious gays have visited upon society? Tell me about Jesse Dirkishing, will you? I guess he was a homophobe who "had it coming". Tell me about the war of molestation and pedophilia that your kind has waged on children all over the world (and yes, check the stats, a highly disproportionate number of pedophiles are mostly or exclusively attracted to boys). Tell me about all of the guys in prison who get raped and often infected with AIDS and other awful diseases. Now tell me that homos are innocent.
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Im sorry that I have to be the one to lock this thread...
This kind of stuff is not what we should be spending time on.
I am not alone in my dislike of this sort of thread.
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Muman, thank you very much for locking this thread.
This discussion has gotten WAY out of hand!
Dr. Brennan Fan, if you want to be against the homosexual lifestyle and the indoctrination of children into such a lifestyle, that's fine. Everyone here, JTFEnthusiast2 included, agrees with you on that. However, I'm going to have to draw the line at you comparing JTFEnthusiast2 to Nazis and pedophiles. That was extremely ugly.
While there were quite a few homosexual Nazis, the main thing that united those monsters was their maniacal hatred of Jews for being sub-humans, as well as other non-whites. So do you have any idea how hurtful it is to tell a Jew (who no doubt lost family in the Holocaust) on a Jewish forum that "his people" are responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews?
Furthermore, and I can't believe I have to keep repeating this, but JTFEnthusiast has chosen not to act on his same-sex attraction. For that, we should give him our support. But instead, you imply that he's a pedophile.
Now I've known many gay men. Never once have I heard anything from them about how they want to violate children! Those are two different groups.
Like I wrote in that other locked thread, it's natural for JTFEnthusiast2 to take threads about homosexuals personally. Remember, he has chosen to abstain from that lifestyle. But that still does not make him a heterosexual.
Finally, I want to address the issue of heterosexual promiscuity. There are lots of promiscuous people out there. Not all of them are gay. Google the bloggers Roissy in DC, and Roosh (warning -- sexually graphic content). These two guys have quite a following. Look at some of the posts and comments, and you'll see that rectal intercourse is not just limited to homosexual men.
Anyway, I don't want to see anymore Eminem posts for a long time. You're just publicizing someone who doesn't deserve it.