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Title: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: Di Mott on July 16, 2010, 06:04:45 PM
Anthropology has proven that ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians are the same people despite all of the past invasions in the past few thousand years.

Some of the mummies like Ramses have red hair but modern Egyptians can also have red hair. Also, archaeological hair sometimes turns red:

"The common misconception that all hair turns red over archaeological timescales has found its way into archaeological folklore. Whilst certain environments such as those producing bog bodies are known to yield hair of a red-brown color, in part because of the breakdown of organic matter and presence of humic acids which impart a brown color to recovered remains, it has commonly been assumed that this happens to all archaeological hair. This concept has been perpetuated by popular nicknames such as "Ginger"--affectionately given to the Predynastic burial with red hair on display in the mummy rooms at the British Museum.

Potential change to hair color can be explained more scientifically by examining the chemistry of melanin which is responsible for hair color in life. All hair contains a mixture in varying concentration of both black-brown eumelanin and red-yellow phaeomelanin pigments, which are susceptible to differential chemical change under certain extreme burial conditions (for example wet reducing conditions, or dry oxidising conditions). Importantly, phaeomelanin is much more stable to environmental conditions than eumelanin, hence the reactions occurring in the burial environment favor the preservation of phaeomelanin, revealing and enhancing the red/ yellow color of hairs containing this pigment. Color changes occur slowly under dry oxidising conditions, such as in the burials in sand at Hierakonpolis. Whether the conditions within the wood and plaster coffin contributed to accelerated color change, or whether this individual naturally had more phaeomelanin pigmentation in his hair is hard to say without further analysis."

http://www.archaeology.org/interactive/hierakonpolis/field/hair.html

Here is the proof that modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians are the same people:

From the the Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt (http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Encyclopedia-Ancient-Egypt-Set/dp/0195102347/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279323119&sr=8-5):

"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

Right click to enlarge:
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5831/61869620.png)

Right click to enlarge:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3161/95523057.png)

From the Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation (http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Egypt-Civilisation-Barry-Kemp/dp/0415235499/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1279324277&sr=1-2):

On page 53 the dendrogram of ancient skulls shows that ancient Egyptians were most related to modern Egyptians:

Right click to enlarge:
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/542/89345938.png)


According to John Shea whose eductation/credentials (http://www.allexperts.com/ep/2291-20746/Anthropology/John-Shea.htm) are:

Ph.D (Anthropology) Harvard University, 1991.
BA (Archaeology) Boston University, 1982.

What race were the Ancient Egyptians and are modern day Egyptians the same people as the Ancient Egyptians?

"If by "race" you mean the categories Anglo-American culture uses, then "black" or "African", though as I am sure you know, there is a lot of variation in both so-called races. When the ancient Egyptians painted themselves, they usually colored themselves a kind of reddish orange (men) or white/yellow (women). They painted their neighbors to the south (Nubians) very dark brown/black and Libyans yellow, so they clearly differentiated themselves from other Africans on the basis of skin color. Same people as in ancient times.  Any biological differences are  negligible, though you'd probably be able to get a precise estimate by comparing DNA. Bottom line, would Tutankamun have had trouble getting served at a whites-only lunch counter in 1950s Alabama?  Definitely.

Cheers,
John Shea"


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Anthropology-2291/2009/8/Race-Ancient-Egyptians-2.htm
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: muman613 on July 16, 2010, 06:05:33 PM
#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..

If the ancient egyptians were so great why is their entire culture extinct? Why are the pyramids and Hieroglyphics all that remains of this 'great' nation? Egypt was demolished and their people scattered, there is nothing left of them but artifacts...

The Jewish people on the other hand survived slavery in Egypt and they are still a people...

Also the articles you linked to do not prove your point... There is much speculation in those quotes..


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"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 16, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..



These same "dumb" Arabs have the rest of the world by the nuts. They do what they want, hurt who they want, con the world into thinking they are the victims, and keep earning billions of dollars by selling us oil which we cannot live without while they slowly increase in number and take over the world. That doesn't sound like dumb to me. May Hashem punish these wicked, evil nazis.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 17, 2010, 07:30:08 PM
You're an idiot whoever you are. The original Egyptians are not at all related to the sub-human, sewer rats that live in that stinking sewer that is called "Egypt" today. They all died out a long time ago. They were far more advanced and superior to the "Egyptians" who live in what is called "Egypt" today.

Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 17, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Such ignorance I don't know where to start..
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Aces High on July 17, 2010, 07:40:39 PM
Come on people, can't you see that this pea brain is just trying to get your goat.   He doesn't even believe his own posts.   :laugh:
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Aces High on July 17, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
Next he will come on to the forum with a new name.  And this time he'll say that there never was a holocaust.  It's old.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 17, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
Next he will come on to the forum with a new name.  And this time he'll say that there never was a holocaust.  It's old.

Or that the Jewish people never really existed.

Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Di Mott on July 17, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
I challenge you to find one recent, reliable study that states in no uncertain terms that the Egyptians were White. No politically neutral scientist would be that stupid to make such a conclusion. The only people that state that the Egyptians were anyone other than modern Egyptians are either White supremacists or Black supremacists.

The consensus among anthropologists is that ancient Egyptians are biologically the same people as modern Egyptians. Of course you'll just deny scholarly, authoritative studies that prove this because you're jealous that Egyptian civilization was greater than Israeli civilization.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 17, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
I challenge you to find one recent, reliable study that states in no uncertain terms that the Egyptians were White. No politically neutral scientist would be that stupid to make such a conclusion. The only people that state that the Egyptians were anyone other than modern Egyptians are either White supremacists or Black supremacists.

The consensus among anthropologists is that ancient Egyptians are biologically the same people as modern Egyptians. Of course you'll just deny scholarly, authoritative studies that prove this because you're jealous that Egyptian civilization was greater than Israeli civilization.

Steven, give it up. No one cares to listen to your pathetic nonsense. Today's Egyptians are the same Egyptians that existed thousands of years ago. They all died a long time ago. So please kindly go back to pedofront.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Aces High on July 17, 2010, 07:51:38 PM
I challenge you to find one recent, reliable study that states in no uncertain terms that the Egyptians were White. No politically neutral scientist would be that stupid to make such a conclusion. The only people that state that the Egyptians were anyone other than modern Egyptians are either White supremacists or Black supremacists.

The consensus among anthropologists is that ancient Egyptians are biologically the same people as modern Egyptians. Of course you'll just deny scholarly, authoritative studies that prove this because you're jealous that Egyptian civilization was greater than Israeli civilization.

Okay, you win, the Egyptians are and were smarter than the Jews.  Whateve.  Now go to your night job cleaning the glory holes at the porn shop.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2010, 07:58:00 PM
Hi Ralph.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2010, 07:58:43 PM
Now go to your night job cleaning the glory holes at the porn shop.
:::D :::D :::D
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Di Mott on July 17, 2010, 08:01:36 PM
#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

I made that clear in my first post:

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modern-day North Africans are biologically distinct from Arabians and are therefore only culturally Arabs.

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#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

No they aren't. Most anthropologists conclude that they're biologically the same people. The dendrogram and encyclopedia show that.

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How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..

With that logic the Meso-American, Indian, and Chinese civilizations were all built by Whites because the modern nations of where these civilizations existed are third world. In fact Arthur Kemp does claim that every ancient civilization was created by Nordics.

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The Jewish people on the other hand survived slavery in Egypt and they are still a people...

The Egyptians also survived except that they simply practice Islam and speak Arabic. Their culture is gone but not their genetic makeup.

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Also the articles you linked to do not prove your point... There is much speculation in those quotes..

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"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

How does that contradict the next sentence?

"While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 17, 2010, 08:04:27 PM
#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

I made that clear in my first post:

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modern-day North Africans are biologically distinct from Arabians and are therefore only culturally Arabs.

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#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

No they aren't. Most anthropologists conclude that they're biologically the same people. The dendrogram and encyclopedia show that.

Quote
How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..

With that logic the Meso-American, Indian, and Chinese civilizations were all built by Whites because the modern nations of where these civilizations existed are third world. In fact Arthur Kemp does claim that every ancient civilization was created by Nordics.

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The Jewish people on the other hand survived slavery in Egypt and they are still a people...

The Egyptians also survived except that they simply practice Islam and speak Arabic. Their culture is gone but not their genetic makeup.

Quote
Also the articles you linked to do not prove your point... There is much speculation in those quotes..

Quote
"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

How does that contradict the next sentence?

"While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

Let me say it crystal clear! Ancient Egyptians and Modern day Egyptians are not the same race!

Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Di Mott on July 17, 2010, 08:10:58 PM
Let me say it crystal clear! Ancient Egyptians and Modern day Egyptians are not the same race!

What a biased, politically-motivated liar like you says is irrelevant. It takes more than just saying it. You need to prove it and you can't because any neutral scientist specializing in Egypt will tell you that based on DNA, dental studies, and skull measurements that they were biologically unrelated to Whites and so close to modern Egyptians that the difference is negligible.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on July 17, 2010, 08:12:51 PM
If Arabs aren't dumb why do they smell so bad?
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2010, 08:15:25 PM
What a biased, politically-motivated liar like you says is irrelevant. It takes more than just saying it. You need to prove it and you can't because any neutral scientist specializing in Egypt will tell you that based on DNA, dental studies, and skull measurements that they were biologically unrelated to Whites and so close to modern Egyptians that the difference is negligible.
Did you run out of K-Y, Ralph?
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Di Mott on July 17, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
If Arabs aren't dumb why do they smell so bad?

Modern-day Egyptians and ancient Egyptians were never biologically related to Arabians. In fact all North Africans are biologically distinct from Arabians.

Try this you moron, read my first post very carefully and click on the links I provided. After you do that try to find a reliable source that can disprove what I have proven. I sincerely doubt you can because I've done homework on this subject.

I'm going to continuously add proof to my first post.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2010, 08:28:30 PM
I'm going to continuously add proof to my first post.
Don't let the bathhouse door his your @$$ on the way out.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on July 17, 2010, 08:30:01 PM
I'm going to continuously add proof to my first post.
Don't let the bathhouse door his your @$$ on the way out.

That's are Dr Brennan fan!!!   :::D
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: AsheDina on July 17, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
I am SICK of hearing about BLACKS and SICK of the Arabs, they can go F OFF
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on July 17, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
"National Alliance Troll Alert"!
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: AsheDina on July 17, 2010, 08:48:24 PM
"National Alliance Troll Alert"!

Yeah right, wtf do these black loving, arab lovin scum come here for?
They have MILLIONS of websites to go hate the Jews and WORSHIP blacks and ARABS, BUZZ OFF BASTARD.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 17, 2010, 08:51:11 PM
"National Alliance Troll Alert"!

Yeah right, wtf do these black loving, arab lovin scum come here for?
They have MILLIONS of websites to go hate the Jews and WORSHIP blacks and ARABS, BUZZ OFF BASTARD.

Exactly. If not for whites and Jews, both groups would have nothing. We gave both groups huge amount of money and guess what? They still hate us.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: takebackourtemple on July 17, 2010, 09:30:31 PM
1. JTF is not against Arabs. Just the evil ones.
2. Not all Arabs are dumb. They contain the full spectrum, however, most of them are dumb today because of what Islam has done to them.
3. Gene pools are always in a constant state of flux.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on July 17, 2010, 10:57:59 PM
I have the answer: They picked up the Koran.
They invented everything but as soon as Mohammed came along they became backward and retarded.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: Chai on July 17, 2010, 11:29:45 PM


Even if they were so what? They are now bums.
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on July 18, 2010, 12:18:11 AM
Egyptians couldn't have been Nigras because the Pharoahs all had sex with their own mothers and sisters and had babies by them, but the Nigras never have any idea who B their "Daddy"!

Title: Re: If modern-Egyptians are dumb how did they create one of the oldest civilization?
Post by: Di Mott on July 18, 2010, 03:11:52 AM
The portraits of the ancient Egyptians show them to look very similar to modern-Egyptians and this is even after the Greek and Roman invasions.

http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/fayoum/fayoum1c.php?img=0&mus=0&pas=2&dat=0&ori=0

(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum01.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum02.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum03a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum04a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum05a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum06a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum07a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum08a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum12a.jpg)
(http://portraits.fayoum.free.fr/images/fayoum/fayoum13a.jpg)
Title: Re: If "Arabs" are dumb how did they create the oldest and greatest civilization?
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 06:02:40 AM
1. JTF is not against Arabs. Just the evil ones.
2. Not all Arabs are dumb. They contain the full spectrum, however, most of them are dumb today because of what Islam has done to them.
3. Gene pools are always in a constant state of flux.

True. We do not judge people by their race. There are some righteous Arabs such as Joseph Farah, but most Arabs are evil because of their religion and it has made them retarded and stupid. 1400 years have gone by and they have accomplished nothing.
Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on July 18, 2010, 06:51:17 AM
Di Mott:  "The portraits of the ancient Egyptians show them to look very similar to modern-Egyptians and this is even after the Greek and Roman invasions. "

Di Mott, you're a fool and an ignoramus.

By submitting on this forum a graphic portrayal of 10 persons whom you claim to be "ancient Egyptians", you prove nothing other than than your total ignorance of ancient history.

Following the Greek invasions which established the Alexandrian Empire, Alexander the Great replaced the ancient remnants of the Pharoanic Dynasties with one of his trusted Greek Generals named Ptolemy; thus establishing the First Pharoah of Egypt's Ptolemaic Dynasty.

Thus began GREEK rule over Egypt - the entire ruling class which was to become the ancestral line of the Egyptian Queen Cleopatra were of HELLENIC ancestry.

This Ptolemaic Dynasty's rule over Egypt was followed after the death of Cleopatra with Egypt's subjugation as a Roman Province under the rule of the Caesars.

Thus began ROMAN rule over Egypt!

Furthermore, your inference that these portraits are a display of "ancient Egyptians", as if they are supposed to represent the visage of "the average Egyptian man in the streets", further betrays your ignorance of the ancient world.

Throughout the ancient world only the ruling potentates and rulers could issue an order commissioning an artistic rendering, and any portrait or sculpture thus ordered would portray only a person from high within the ruling family itself.

The Pharoahs of Egypt, along with the post Republic Roman Emperors and most other ancient rulers, declared themselves to be living deities.

The average man or woman in the ancient world was accorded less value than dirt by their rulers -- forbidden even to raise their eyes and gaze upon the ruling Kings and Queens of the time under penalty of death.

These portraits you present here might represent a handful of Post-Pharoanic Dynasty Egyptian rulers -- if they are in fact even portraits of Egyptians!

The laurel leave crowns on their heads, together with their Roman style of clothing and hair styles, would suggest these renderings were done some time following the end of Queen Cleopatra's reign, and in fact could date forward in history many hundreds of years, possibly being artistic renderings of a noble family from within Byzantine Rome!

The Egyptians of ancient Thebes and Memphis are long extinct as a distinct recognizable ethnicity.

WE JEWS KNOW THIS, BECAUSE WE ONCE WERE SLAVES IN ANCIENT EGYPT.

AND WE JEWS, UNLIKE ANY OTHER MODERN DAY PEOPLE (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CHINESE), SHARE AN UNBROKEN WRITTEN AS WELL AS ORAL HISTORY DATING BACK TO THE TIME OF THE EARLIEST EGYPTIAN PHAROAHS.


Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: mord on July 18, 2010, 07:02:06 AM
Many Ancient Egyptians were North African and sub Saharan.By saying Sub Sharan i don't mean they looked liked Idi Amin  but like eritrians and Ethiopians with Semtic thrown in.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeogenetics_of_the_Near_East


Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 18, 2010, 08:09:33 AM
I stand behind my post. They are smart enough to infiltrate our society politically (Obama), economically (oil), and socially. I am scared of them and hope Hashem deals with them.
Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: Di Mott on July 18, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
Di Mott:  "The portraits of the ancient Egyptians show them to look very similar to modern-Egyptians and this is even after the Greek and Roman invasions. "

Di Mott, you're a fool and an ignoramus.

By submitting on this forum a graphic portrayal of 10 persons whom you claim to be "ancient Egyptians", you prove nothing other than than your total ignorance of ancient history.

Following the Greek invasions which established the Alexandrian Empire, Alexander the Great replaced the ancient remnants of the Pharoanic Dynasties with one of his trusted Greek Generals named Ptolemy; thus establishing the First Pharoah of Egypt's Ptolemaic Dynasty.

Thus began GREEK rule over Egypt - the entire ruling class which was to become the ancestral line of the Egyptian Queen Cleopatra were of HELLENIC ancestry.

This Ptolemaic Dynasty's rule over Egypt was followed after the death of Cleopatra with Egypt's subjugation as a Roman Province under the rule of the Caesars.

Thus began ROMAN rule over Egypt!

Furthermore, your inference that these portraits are a display of "ancient Egyptians", as if they are supposed to represent the visage of "the average Egyptian man in the streets", further betrays your ignorance of the ancient world.

Throughout the ancient world only the ruling potentates and rulers could issue an order commissioning an artistic rendering, and any portrait or sculpture thus ordered would portray only a person from high within the ruling family itself.

The Pharoahs of Egypt, along with the post Republic Roman Emperors and most other ancient rulers, declared themselves to be living deities.

The average man or woman in the ancient world was accorded less value than dirt by their rulers -- forbidden even to raise their eyes and gaze upon the ruling Kings and Queens of the time under penalty of death.

These portraits you present here might represent a handful of Post-Pharoanic Dynasty Egyptian rulers -- if they are in fact even portraits of Egyptians!

The laurel leave crowns on their heads, together with their Roman style of clothing and hair styles, would suggest these renderings were done some time following the end of Queen Cleopatra's reign, and in fact could date forward in history many hundreds of years, possibly being artistic renderings of a noble family from within Byzantine Rome!

I made it clear that despite Greek and Roman invasions they resemble modern-Egyptians.:

The portraits of the ancient Egyptians show them to look very similar to modern-Egyptians and this is even after the Greek and Roman invasions.

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The Egyptians of ancient Thebes and Memphis are long extinct as a distinct recognizable ethnicity.

But they aren't extinct genetically which is all that matters. They are now culturally Arabs but genetically Amazigh like the Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, and Moroccans.   

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WE JEWS KNOW THIS, BECAUSE WE ONCE WERE SLAVES IN ANCIENT EGYPT.

There is no historic evidence that Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt or built the pyramids. The bible has many fairy tale stories that you can believe but historians don't accept it as a legitimate source of information.

Why don't you read my first post? I didn't make anything up. I let the anthropologists do the talking for me by quoting them. The ancient Egyptians were most related to modern-Egyptians. They were less related to Europeans and least related to Blacks.

Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 04:22:14 PM
Di Mott:  "The portraits of the ancient Egyptians show them to look very similar to modern-Egyptians and this is even after the Greek and Roman invasions. "

Di Mott, you're a fool and an ignoramus.

By submitting on this forum a graphic portrayal of 10 persons whom you claim to be "ancient Egyptians", you prove nothing other than than your total ignorance of ancient history.

Following the Greek invasions which established the Alexandrian Empire, Alexander the Great replaced the ancient remnants of the Pharoanic Dynasties with one of his trusted Greek Generals named Ptolemy; thus establishing the First Pharoah of Egypt's Ptolemaic Dynasty.

Thus began GREEK rule over Egypt - the entire ruling class which was to become the ancestral line of the Egyptian Queen Cleopatra were of HELLENIC ancestry.

This Ptolemaic Dynasty's rule over Egypt was followed after the death of Cleopatra with Egypt's subjugation as a Roman Province under the rule of the Caesars.

Thus began ROMAN rule over Egypt!

Furthermore, your inference that these portraits are a display of "ancient Egyptians", as if they are supposed to represent the visage of "the average Egyptian man in the streets", further betrays your ignorance of the ancient world.

Throughout the ancient world only the ruling potentates and rulers could issue an order commissioning an artistic rendering, and any portrait or sculpture thus ordered would portray only a person from high within the ruling family itself.

The Pharoahs of Egypt, along with the post Republic Roman Emperors and most other ancient rulers, declared themselves to be living deities.

The average man or woman in the ancient world was accorded less value than dirt by their rulers -- forbidden even to raise their eyes and gaze upon the ruling Kings and Queens of the time under penalty of death.

These portraits you present here might represent a handful of Post-Pharoanic Dynasty Egyptian rulers -- if they are in fact even portraits of Egyptians!

The laurel leave crowns on their heads, together with their Roman style of clothing and hair styles, would suggest these renderings were done some time following the end of Queen Cleopatra's reign, and in fact could date forward in history many hundreds of years, possibly being artistic renderings of a noble family from within Byzantine Rome!

I made it clear that despite Greek and Roman invasions they resemble modern-Egyptians.:

The portraits of the ancient Egyptians show them to look very similar to modern-Egyptians and this is even after the Greek and Roman invasions.

Quote
The Egyptians of ancient Thebes and Memphis are long extinct as a distinct recognizable ethnicity.

But they aren't extinct genetically which is all that matters. They are now culturally Arabs but genetically Amazigh like the Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, and Moroccans.   

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WE JEWS KNOW THIS, BECAUSE WE ONCE WERE SLAVES IN ANCIENT EGYPT.

There is no historic evidence that Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt or built the pyramids. The bible has many fairy tale stories that you can believe but historians don't accept it as a legitimate source of information.

Why don't you read my first post? I didn't make anything up. I let the anthropologists do the talking for me by quoting them. The ancient Egyptians were most related to modern-Egyptians. They were less related to Europeans and least related to Blacks.



You are a fool. Of course the Jews were enslaved in Egypt. Did you ever read the Bible? Of course not.

And the ancient Egyptians have nothing in common with the modern-day Egyptians.



Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: White Israelite on July 18, 2010, 04:35:00 PM
Many Ancient Egyptians were North African and sub Saharan.By saying Sub Sharan i don't mean they looked liked Idi Amin  but like eritrians and Ethiopians with Semtic thrown in.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeogenetics_of_the_Near_East


I don't think they were sub saharan, most sub saharans were slaves, the original Egyptians probably resembled the Amazigh.


If they were sub saharan, I doubt Moses would have fit in with Egyptian culture at the time he was recovered from the river.
Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: muman613 on July 18, 2010, 05:33:28 PM
The great Egypt is Long Long Dead thank G-d!

What remained are the dregs of the world... Egyptians of today are nothing compared to ancient Egyptians... Egypt will forever be a wasteland filled with wasted people...

HASHEM Destroyed Egypt and all the wicked which it represented... The Egyptians were dead on the seashore... Spit out from the depths of the sea.

Title: Re: Modern-day Egyptians are practically the same as ancient-Egyptians genetically
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on July 18, 2010, 08:28:37 PM
Re:  "The great Egypt is Long Long Dead thank G-d! "

Even so, Egypt has made a lasting contribution to the world which can be found on the front and back of each and every pack of Camel Cigarettes -- the artwork showing the Great Pyramid of Giza with a camel urinating on it.

A-Salaami As-Salaami Salami !     :P

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