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Title: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:15:20 PM
You all say that Muslims want to exterminate all Jews so that you can have an excuse to commit a genocide against them. I found this study that you should read. I have highlighted the interesting parts. I dare you to find a study that shows that most Muslims sanction violence:


Major survey challenges Western perceptions of Islam


WASHINGTON (AFP) — A huge survey of the world's Muslims released Tuesday challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.

The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.

It shows that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and other subsequent terrorist attacks, the authors of the study said in Washington.

"Samuel Harris said in the Washington Times (in 2004): 'It is time we admitted that we are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam'," Dalia Mogahed, co-author of the book "Who Speaks for Islam" which grew out of the study, told a news conference here.

"The argument Mr Harris makes is that religion in the primary driver" of radicalism and violence, she said.

"Religion is an important part of life for the overwhelming majority of Muslims, and if it were indeed the driver for radicalisation, this would be a serious issue."

But the study, which Gallup says surveyed a sample equivalent to 90 percent of the world's Muslims, showed that widespread religiosity "does not translate into widespread support for terrorism," said Mogahed, director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies.

About 93 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.

In majority Muslim countries, overwhelming majorities said religion was a very important part of their lives -- 99 percent in Indonesia, 98 percent in Egypt, 95 percent in Pakistan.

But only seven percent of the billion Muslims surveyed -- the radicals -- condoned the attacks on the United States in 2001, the poll showed.

Moderate Muslims interviewed for the poll condemned the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington because innocent lives were lost and civilians killed.

"Some actually cited religious justifications for why they were against 9/11, going as far as to quote from the Koran -- for example, the verse that says taking one innocent life is like killing all humanity," she said.


Meanwhile, radical Muslims gave political, not religious, reasons for condoning the attacks, the poll showed.

The survey shows radicals to be neither more religious than their moderate counterparts, nor products of abject poverty or refugee camps.

"The radicals are better educated, have better jobs, and are more hopeful with regard to the future than mainstream Muslims," John Esposito, who co-authored "Who Speaks for Islam", said.

"Ironically, they believe in democracy even more than many of the mainstream moderates do, but they're more cynical about whether they'll ever get it," said Esposito, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University in Washington.

Gallup launched the study following 9/11, after which US President George W. Bush asked in a speech, which is quoted in the book: "Why do they hate us?"

"They hate... a democratically elected government," Bush offered as a reason.

"They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."

But the poll, which gives ordinary Muslims a voice in the global debate that they have been drawn into by 9/11, showed that most Muslims -- including radicals -- admire the West for its democracy, freedoms and technological prowess.

What they do not want is to have Western ways forced on them, it said.

"Muslims want self-determination, but not an American-imposed and -defined democracy. They don't want secularism or theocracy. What the majority wants is democracy with religious values," said Esposito.

The poll has given voice to Islam's silent majority, said Mogahed.

"A billion Muslims should be the ones that we look to, to understand what they believe, rather than a vocal minority," she told AFP.

Muslims in 40 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East were interviewed for the survey, which is part of Gallup's World Poll that aims to interview 95 percent of the world's population.

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http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5ajtNJ0qTTRMBSFpYngMOjrmDbQ
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:17:11 PM
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: ItalianZionist on July 18, 2010, 08:19:59 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:20:33 PM
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 18, 2010, 08:20:57 PM
I don't know where anyone ever got the idea that Muslims were NOT peaceful   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: ItalianZionist on July 18, 2010, 08:21:33 PM
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.




I see that you're avoiding my question
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
GayGay!

Have you read the Koran itself?

Here are some quotes from the Koran itself.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: muman613 on July 18, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
Islam is not a peaceful religion. The fact that many call themselves muslims doesnt change the fact that their 'holy' book is a recipe for death and destruction against all who don't believe in the false prophet mohamud. Judaism does not try to seek to convert the world, all we want is to live in peace in our own land.

Even surveys which say a majority of them don't sanction terrorism are avoiding the truth, the 'muslims' only considers something terrorism if it kills muslims, not Jews or other 'infidels'... When you look at the question under a muslim lens you discover that they are all for killing infidels, so long as muslims are not hurt.

Islam is a peaceful religion... HAHAHAHA You are such a joker...

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 18, 2010, 08:26:27 PM
Those poor, peaceful, innocent Arabs .................
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 18, 2010, 08:28:37 PM
Hey Ralph, why not tell me what taqqiyah is?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:33:19 PM
Islam is not a peaceful religion. The fact that many call themselves muslims doesnt change the fact that their 'holy' book is a recipe for death and destruction against all who don't believe in the false prophet mohamud. Judaism does not try to seek to convert the world, all we want is to live in peace in our own land.

Even surveys which say a majority of them don't sanction terrorism are avoiding the truth, the 'muslims' only considers something terrorism if it kills muslims, not Jews or other 'infidels'... When you look at the question under a muslim lens you discover that they are all for killing infidels, so long as muslims are not hurt.

Islam is a peaceful religion... HAHAHAHA You are such a joker...



Islam is probably not a peaceful religion but 93% of Muslims are. 7% of Muslims are evil. That amounts to 91 million bad Muslims. All of the terrorism you see in the world today come from these Muslims.

Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet almost no Jew condones this today.

A Muslim who rejects violence is no less of a Muslim than a Jew who rejects stoning women to death and slavery is a Jew.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
Islam is not a peaceful religion. The fact that many call themselves muslims doesnt change the fact that their 'holy' book is a recipe for death and destruction against all who don't believe in the false prophet mohamud. Judaism does not try to seek to convert the world, all we want is to live in peace in our own land.

Even surveys which say a majority of them don't sanction terrorism are avoiding the truth, the 'muslims' only considers something terrorism if it kills muslims, not Jews or other 'infidels'... When you look at the question under a muslim lens you discover that they are all for killing infidels, so long as muslims are not hurt.

Islam is a peaceful religion... HAHAHAHA You are such a joker...



Islam is probably not a peaceful religion but 93% of Muslims are. 7% of Muslims are evil. That amounts to 91 million bad Muslims. All of the terrorism you see in the world today come from these Muslims.

Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet almost no Jew condones this today.

A Muslim who rejects violence is no less of a Muslim than a Jew who rejects stoning women to death and slavery is a Jew.



Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
Hey Ralph, why not tell me what taqqiyah is?

Taqqiyah was first practiced by Shiites when Sunnis were "oppressing" them. They did it to protect themselves and their religion. Scumbags like Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists will not lie to you if you ask them about killing Jews. They'll openly admit it. Fanatical Muslims are honest about killing infidels.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 18, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You know nothing about Torah, Judaism, Muslims, or Islam. Stop while you're behind.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:39:46 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

Look here, Judaism does not condone slavery or stoning women but on the other hand, Islam does.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: muman613 on July 18, 2010, 08:40:45 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You know nothing about Torah, Judaism, Muslims, or Islam. Stop while you're behind.

Yes, that is because he is an ignorant schmuk. Without the Oral law someone might come to say those things. But Judaism does not stone anyone today, and even when it was the law there was only 1 capital execution every 70 years.

And regarding Jews not observing the Torah, we have understanding for them. We do not kill them. But all Jews should observe the Sabbath and keep Kosher, and they will... Without being forced to...
No arguing with the ignorant...
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: ItalianZionist on July 18, 2010, 08:40:58 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

GayGay, just answer ItalianZionist's question. How can you follow someone like Mohammad who was a pedophile and a liar and a thief?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:43:48 PM
Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???

Read the article I posted. There was a huge survey done by gallup all over the Muslim world and only 7% of Muslims condoned 9/11 and all of them did it on political grounds and not religious grounds.

If Muslims want to kill all infidels then why were the Jews allowed to flourish before Khomeini came? Even after the ayatollahs came the Jews were given the status of a protected minority and they are not persecuted today. Historically, Iranian Muslims mistreated the Jews far less than the Europeans did.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: ItalianZionist on July 18, 2010, 08:46:24 PM
Even if your poll is true...Do you really think that muslims won't lie??  There is something in the Quaran called  Techia...(it's  ok to lie to the infidel)
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???

Read the article I posted. There was a huge survey done by gallup all over the Muslim world and only 7% of Muslims condoned 9/11 and all of them did it on political grounds and not religious grounds.

If Muslims want to kill all infidels then why were the Jews allowed to flourish before Khomeini came? Even after the ayatollahs came the Jews were given the status of a protected minority and they are not persecuted today. Historically, Iranian Muslims mistreated the Jews far less than the Europeans did.


That's just a bs article made by the media. Muslims will lie to you all the time.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

I'm not a Muslims and Muhammad was evil.

You still don't understand. Judaism condones slavery and stoning immoral women to death yet Jews reject this today and they're still Jews. Likewise, Muslims can reject violence and still be Muslims.

The poll has proven that Muslims are peaceful. Every poll about Muslims that I've seen has confirmed this.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Mishmaat on July 18, 2010, 08:53:40 PM
Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???

Even if that percentage were true, which it is not, it would be irrelevant anyway because the 7% who are fundamentalists are approximately 109 million people. That's enough religious zealots to pose a clear and present danger to us "infidels".
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Secularbeliever on July 18, 2010, 08:53:50 PM
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.




I see that you're avoiding my question

The problem is that even if 93% really oppose violence the people running Islamic nations are not listening to them.  Do 93% of so called Palestinians oppose murder of Jews?  I doubt it.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 08:54:15 PM
You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

I'm not a Muslims and Muhammad was evil.

You still don't understand. Judaism condones slavery and stoning immoral women to death yet Jews reject this today and they're still Jews. Likewise, Muslims can reject violence and still be Muslims.

The poll has proven that Muslims are peaceful. Every poll about Muslims that I've seen has confirmed this.

 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D

A Muslim who rejects violence is not a Muslim anymore. He has betrayed his faith and became a self-hating Muslim.



Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Mishmaat on July 18, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
Likewise, Muslims can reject violence and still be Muslims.

That's just not true. A Muslim who rejects violence and is peaceful is considered a hypocrite according to the Qur'an and Hadith.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 18, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
Even if your poll is true...Do you really think that muslims won't lie??  There is something in the Quaran called  Techia...(it's  ok to lie to the infidel)

The violent ones are honest. Bin Laden, Arafat, Khomneini, etc. will say that violence is necessary. If they did lie then there's still no proof that they do want to exterminate infidels especially with such a low percent of them sanctioning violence.

It doesn't matter what one's religion is it only matters how one conducts himself. Righteous people will not be immoral regardless of their religion. People should be judged by their actions rather than their religion.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 18, 2010, 09:00:29 PM
Even if your poll is true...Do you really think that muslims won't lie??  There is something in the Quaran called  Techia...(it's  ok to lie to the infidel)

The violent ones are honest. Bin Laden, Arafat, Khomneini, etc. will say that violence is necessary. If they did lie then there's still no proof that they do want to exterminate infidels especially with such a low percent of them sanctioning violence.

It doesn't matter what one's religion is it only matters how one conducts himself. Righteous people will not be immoral regardless of their religion. People should be judged by their actions rather than their religion.

I am not wasting my time with this twit. I am going to bed. Good night.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: ItalianZionist on July 18, 2010, 09:05:59 PM
Even if your poll is true...Do you really think that muslims won't lie??  There is something in the Quaran called  Techia...(it's  ok to lie to the infidel)

The violent ones are honest. Bin Laden, Arafat, Khomneini, etc. will say that violence is necessary. If they did lie then there's still no proof that they do want to exterminate infidels especially with such a low percent of them sanctioning violence.

It doesn't matter what one's religion is it only matters how one conducts himself. Righteous people will not be immoral regardless of their religion. People should be judged by their actions rather than their religion.

Are you a muslim? How can you follow a man who killed fathers and took their daughters as slaves?  What did he do to deserve the term "prophet"?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: muman613 on July 18, 2010, 09:56:02 PM
You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

I'm not a Muslims and Muhammad was evil.

You still don't understand. Judaism condones slavery and stoning immoral women to death yet Jews reject this today and they're still Jews. Likewise, Muslims can reject violence and still be Muslims.

The poll has proven that Muslims are peaceful. Every poll about Muslims that I've seen has confirmed this.

You don't know about Judaism and you should not make comments about it. Judaism is a religion which from the beginning was designed to keep up with the times. We believe that all the commandments need to be followed but we all have free will. I am not going to get into a theological discussion with you defending Judaism against the wicked cult of Islam. There is no comparison because what Islam teaches is to kill all the non believers.

Judaism is intended to be kept by only Jews, and those who convert willingly to the religion. Do not try to compare Judaism to Islam, they are two different things. And the fact is that the Oral law explains the laws and perscribes certain penalties only under certain conditions. When these conditions are met we will once again keep the entire Torah.

You do not know what the Torah says about stoning people or slavery. The concept of slavery in the Torah has nothing to do with modern day slavery. In the Torah proscribed slavery it was a civil case when people became destitute, allowing them to recover. I know about these laws because I have aided people who had no place to go.. Jewish slaves were treated with dignity and respect. Islam has instituted enforced slavery since Mohamed enslaved many cities.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on July 18, 2010, 11:50:31 PM
Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Certainly not many places on this Earth.

Not in Nigeria...

Or the Sudan...

Or Thailand...

The Phillipines...

Kashmir...

India...

Israel

There is hardly a place on this Earth where Muslims peacefully co-exist with people of other faiths. (in fact, there might be none)

Even if one was to buy into the absurd notion that Muslims are the victims of colonialist oppressors plotting a massive genocide against them and are merely protecting themselves, how does one explain the relentless terror, war and genocide they perpetrate against themselves ?

For example...

Pakistan

Iran

Iraq

Algeria

Afghanistan

Yemen

Somalia

Uganda

So I ask again; Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Any rational person should realize that since they are so barbaric and murderous amongst themselves, that they would do far worse to the infidels inhabiting Dar al Harb if given the chance.

I'll tell you something else RayRay...it's not just the incredible magnitude of Muslim murder that should appall any decent human being. It's the methodology that's beyond the pale of civilized behavior, that makes Islamic terror all the more repugnant to rational people.

It is only Muslims that attack and murder innocent people at Olympic games.

Or blow up people watching the World cup.

Or immolate people in a night club.

Or diners in a pizzaria.

Or hijack and detonate bombs on commercial airliners.

Or fly them into office buildings.

Or blow up buses.

Or throw children off the roof of their school.

Or bash in the brains of infants.

These are the acts of completely uncivilized, barbaric animals without a shred of humanity.

Yet RayRay has the audacity to start a thread titled 'Muslims are peaceful'.

In the final analysis it matters not whether it is 7%, 10% or 99% of Muslims that are violent murderous jihadists. It doesn't matter if they claim they're politically motivated or Koranically inspired. The bottom line is that millions of people have been maimed and died as a result of Muslim violence.

Since the so called 'moderate' Muslims are either unwilling or unable to control the murderous jihadists Islam spawns, the civilized peoples and nations of this world are obligated to defend themselves and put an end Mohammedan atrocities once and for all.

And if you don't like it RayRay, you can GFY and then ESAD.

 
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 12:06:02 AM
Awesomely said MuckDeFuslims, Bravo!

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 19, 2010, 01:48:20 AM
Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Certainly not many places on this Earth.

Not in Nigeria...

Or the Sudan...

Or Thailand...

The Phillipines...

Kashmir...

India...

Israel

There is hardly a place on this Earth where Muslims peacefully co-exist with people of other faiths. (in fact, there might be none)

Even if one was to buy into the absurd notion that Muslims are the victims of colonialist oppressors plotting a massive genocide against them and are merely protecting themselves, how does one explain the relentless terror, war and genocide they perpetrate against themselves ?

For example...

Pakistan

Iran

Iraq

Algeria

Afghanistan

Yemen

Somalia

Uganda

So I ask again; Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Any rational person should realize that since they are so barbaric and murderous amongst themselves, that they would do far worse to the infidels inhabiting Dar al Harb if given the chance.

I'll tell you something else RayRay...it's not just the incredible magnitude of Muslim murder that should appall any decent human being. It's the methodology that's beyond the pale of civilized behavior, that makes Islamic terror all the more repugnant to rational people.

It is only Muslims that attack and murder innocent people at Olympic games.

Or blow up people watching the World cup.

Or immolate people in a night club.

Or diners in a pizzaria.

Or hijack and detonate bombs on commercial airliners.

Or fly them into office buildings.

Or blow up buses.

Or throw children off the roof of their school.

Or bash in the brains of infants.

These are the acts of completely uncivilized, barbaric animals without a shred of humanity.

Yet RayRay has the audacity to start a thread titled 'Muslims are peaceful'.

In the final analysis it matters not whether it is 7%, 10% or 99% of Muslims that are violent murderous jihadists. It doesn't matter if they claim they're politically motivated or Koranically inspired. The bottom line is that millions of people have been maimed and died as a result of Muslim violence.

Since the so called 'moderate' Muslims are either unwilling or unable to control the murderous jihadists Islam spawns, the civilized peoples and nations of this world are obligated to defend themselves and put an end Mohammedan atrocities once and for all.

And if you don't like it RayRay, you can GFY and then ESAD.

 
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Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: syyuge on July 19, 2010, 02:25:11 AM
DITTO... ;D
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 02:28:34 AM
Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Certainly not many places on this Earth.

Not in Nigeria...

Or the Sudan...

Or Thailand...

The Phillipines...

Kashmir...

India...

Israel

There is hardly a place on this Earth where Muslims peacefully co-exist with people of other faiths. (in fact, there might be none)

Even if one was to buy into the absurd notion that Muslims are the victims of colonialist oppressors plotting a massive genocide against them and are merely protecting themselves, how does one explain the relentless terror, war and genocide they perpetrate against themselves ?

For example...

Pakistan

Iran

Iraq

Algeria

Afghanistan

Yemen

Somalia

Uganda

So I ask again; Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Any rational person should realize that since they are so barbaric and murderous amongst themselves, that they would do far worse to the infidels inhabiting Dar al Harb if given the chance.

I'll tell you something else RayRay...it's not just the incredible magnitude of Muslim murder that should appall any decent human being. It's the methodology that's beyond the pale of civilized behavior, that makes Islamic terror all the more repugnant to rational people.

It is only Muslims that attack and murder innocent people at Olympic games.

Or blow up people watching the World cup.

Or immolate people in a night club.

Or diners in a pizzaria.

Or hijack and detonate bombs on commercial airliners.

Or fly them into office buildings.

Or blow up buses.

Or throw children off the roof of their school.

Or bash in the brains of infants.

These are the acts of completely uncivilized, barbaric animals without a shred of humanity.

Yet RayRay has the audacity to start a thread titled 'Muslims are peaceful'.

In the final analysis it matters not whether it is 7%, 10% or 99% of Muslims that are violent murderous jihadists. It doesn't matter if they claim they're politically motivated or Koranically inspired. The bottom line is that millions of people have been maimed and died as a result of Muslim violence.

Since the so called 'moderate' Muslims are either unwilling or unable to control the murderous jihadists Islam spawns, the civilized peoples and nations of this world are obligated to defend themselves and put an end Mohammedan atrocities once and for all.

And if you don't like it RayRay, you can GFY and then ESAD.

This idiotic excuse of a post is the reason why you will remain in the fringe of the fringe. It has just been until very recently that Muslims are relatively violent. Historically Muslims were peaceful. The Crusaders, Mongols, and pre-Islamic Turks were the violent ones in these regions. I don't need to make pee-brained blanket assertions like you. The facts are on my side and I let the facts do the talking for me. I'll ignore the fact that Europeans have committed more wars and genocides than all other peoples combined, and yes these Europeans have exterminated each other more far more than they have against other people, and I'll just look list modern genocides.


The worst genocides of the 20th Century


Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)   49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)   23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945)   12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)   5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20)   1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)   1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)   1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)   1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)   1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)   900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)   800,000
Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98)   800,00
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88)   600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987)    570,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39)   500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002)   400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001)   400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979)   300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71)     300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII)   300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97)   
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996)   220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000)    200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972)    150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99)   100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999)   100,000

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


As you can see the vast majority of genocides have been perpetrated by non-Muslims. It's true that Muslims have historically been a small percent of the world's population but even considering that they have proportionately committed less genocides than non-Muslims. The worst offenders have been Communists and nationalistic chauvinists. Even the Muslim genocides like the Armenian genocide by the Turks were perpetrated not by religious Muslims but by secular nationalists like the secular young Turks. So by your logic, lets exterminate all non-Muslims because they can't control their fellow non-Muslims.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your ramblings. You can continue to distort the truth.

[censored].

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Ulli on July 19, 2010, 02:31:42 AM
You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

I'm not a Muslims and Muhammad was evil.

You still don't understand. Judaism condones slavery and stoning immoral women to death yet Jews reject this today and they're still Jews. Likewise, Muslims can reject violence and still be Muslims.

The poll has proven that Muslims are peaceful. Every poll about Muslims that I've seen has confirmed this.

You don't read the answers to your points, given before this post. You simply repeat your thesis like a papagei.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 02:36:19 AM
I'll tell you something else RayRay...it's not just the incredible magnitude of Muslim murder that should appall any decent human being. It's the methodology that's beyond the pale of civilized behavior, that makes Islamic terror all the more repugnant to rational people.

It is only Muslims that attack and murder innocent people at Olympic games.

Or blow up people watching the World cup.

Or immolate people in a night club.

Or diners in a pizzaria.

Or hijack and detonate bombs on commercial airliners.

Or fly them into office buildings.

Or blow up buses.

Or throw children off the roof of their school.

Or bash in the brains of infants.

And who says that non-Muslims don't behave like that? Read this about the rape of nanking:

"Pregnant women were not spared. In several instances, they were raped, then had their bellies slit open and the fetuses torn out. Sometimes, after storming into a house and encountering a whole family, the Japanese forced Chinese men to rape their own daughters, sons to rape their mothers, and brothers their sisters, while the rest of the family was made to watch.

Throughout the city of Nanking, random acts of murder occurred as soldiers frequently fired their rifles into panicked crowds of civilians, killing indiscriminately. Other soldiers killed shopkeepers, looted their stores, then set the buildings on fire after locking people of all ages inside. They took pleasure in the extraordinary suffering that ensued as the people desperately tried to escape the flames by climbing onto rooftops or leaping down onto the street.

The incredible carnage - citywide burnings, stabbings, drownings, strangulations, rapes, thefts, and massive property destruction - continued unabated for about six weeks, from mid-December 1937 through the beginning of February 1938. Young or old, male or female, anyone could be shot on a whim by any Japanese soldier for any reason. Corpses could be seen everywhere throughout the city. The streets of Nanking were said to literally have run red with blood.

Those who were not killed on the spot were taken to the outskirts of the city and forced to dig their own graves, large rectangular pits that would be filled with decapitated corpses resulting from killing contests the Japanese held among themselves. Other times, the Japanese forced the Chinese to bury each other alive in the dirt.


After this period of unprecedented violence, the Japanese eased off somewhat and settled in for the duration of the war. To pacify the population during the long occupation, highly addictive narcotics, including opium and heroin, were distributed by Japanese soldiers to the people of Nanking, regardless of age. An estimated 50,000 persons became addicted to heroin while many others lost themselves in the city's opium dens.

In addition, the notorious Comfort Women system was introduced which forced young Chinese women to become slave-prostitutes, existing solely for the sexual pleasure of Japanese soldiers."

News reports of the happenings in Nanking appeared in the official Japanese press and also in the West, as page-one reports in newspapers such as the New York Times. Japanese news reports reflected the militaristic mood of the country in which any victory by the Imperial Army resulting in further expansion of the Japanese empire was celebrated. Eyewitness reports by Japanese military correspondents concerning the sufferings of the people of Nanking also appeared. They reflected a mentality in which the brutal dominance of subjugated or so-called inferior peoples was considered just. Incredibly, one paper, the Japan Advertiser, actually published a running count of the heads severed by two officers involved in a decapitation contest, as if it was some kind of a sporting match.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

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And if you don't like it RayRay, you can GFY and then ESAD.

Awwww, isn't that cute. I've offended the wimp who can't handle a disagreement.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 19, 2010, 02:44:06 AM
Those Japanese were allies of the Nazi Germans, which were in turn allies of the Muslims, genius.

Ready to pull your thumb out of your butt, Ralph?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 19, 2010, 02:45:58 AM
Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Certainly not many places on this Earth.

Not in Nigeria...

Or the Sudan...

Or Thailand...

The Phillipines...

Kashmir...

India...

Israel

There is hardly a place on this Earth where Muslims peacefully co-exist with people of other faiths. (in fact, there might be none)

Even if one was to buy into the absurd notion that Muslims are the victims of colonialist oppressors plotting a massive genocide against them and are merely protecting themselves, how does one explain the relentless terror, war and genocide they perpetrate against themselves ?

For example...

Pakistan

Iran

Iraq

Algeria

Afghanistan

Yemen

Somalia

Uganda

So I ask again; Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Any rational person should realize that since they are so barbaric and murderous amongst themselves, that they would do far worse to the infidels inhabiting Dar al Harb if given the chance.

I'll tell you something else RayRay...it's not just the incredible magnitude of Muslim murder that should appall any decent human being. It's the methodology that's beyond the pale of civilized behavior, that makes Islamic terror all the more repugnant to rational people.

It is only Muslims that attack and murder innocent people at Olympic games.

Or blow up people watching the World cup.

Or immolate people in a night club.

Or diners in a pizzaria.

Or hijack and detonate bombs on commercial airliners.

Or fly them into office buildings.

Or blow up buses.

Or throw children off the roof of their school.

Or bash in the brains of infants.

These are the acts of completely uncivilized, barbaric animals without a shred of humanity.

Yet RayRay has the audacity to start a thread titled 'Muslims are peaceful'.

In the final analysis it matters not whether it is 7%, 10% or 99% of Muslims that are violent murderous jihadists. It doesn't matter if they claim they're politically motivated or Koranically inspired. The bottom line is that millions of people have been maimed and died as a result of Muslim violence.

Since the so called 'moderate' Muslims are either unwilling or unable to control the murderous jihadists Islam spawns, the civilized peoples and nations of this world are obligated to defend themselves and put an end Mohammedan atrocities once and for all.

And if you don't like it RayRay, you can GFY and then ESAD.

This idiotic excuse of a post is the reason why you will remain in the fringe of the fringe. It has just been until very recently that Muslims are relatively violent. Historically Muslims were peaceful. The Crusaders, Mongols, and pre-Islamic Turks were the violent ones in these regions. I don't need to make pee-brained blanket assertions like you. The facts are on my side and I let the facts do the talking for me. I'll ignore the fact that Europeans have committed more wars and genocides than all other peoples combined, and yes these Europeans have exterminated each other more far more than they have against other people, and I'll just look list modern genocides.


The worst genocides of the 20th Century


Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)   49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)   23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945)   12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)   5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20)   1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)   1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)   1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)   1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)   1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)   900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)   800,000
Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98)   800,00
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88)   600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987)    570,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39)   500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002)   400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001)   400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979)   300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71)     300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII)   300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97)   
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996)   220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000)    200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972)    150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99)   100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999)   100,000

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


As you can see the vast majority of genocides have been perpetrated by non-Muslims. It's true that Muslims have historically been a small percent of the world's population but even considering that they have proportionately committed less genocides than non-Muslims. The worst offenders have been Communists and nationalistic chauvinists. Even the Muslim genocides like the Armenian genocide by the Turks were perpetrated not by religious Muslims but by secular nationalists like the secular young Turks. So by your logic, lets exterminate all non-Muslims because they can't control their fellow non-Muslims.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your ramblings. You can continue to distort the truth.

[censored].


So you've proven that since historically other nations killed each other, Islam is peaceful in comparison? Have you any idea that today's world is a much different place then it was in the years you bring, and murder for religious purposes is looked down upon today? Nobody cares that Islam is peaceful because the life of even one non-Muslim taken in the name of Jihad isn't something we should just let go. According to your ideal, we should just let every attack go and be forgotten. No, my friend. Every life they take is precious. And in a war, there will be mass casualties, "civilian casualties", but at the end of the day, you have to do WHATEVER it takes to defend yourself, your family, and your nation. And if they want to kill us, they better be prepared to deal with the consequences, because we do NOT forget. So please, take your pure numbers elsewhere, because the world is at war with terrorism, and it just so happens these terrorists are Muslims.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 02:53:53 AM
Those Japanese were allies of the Nazi Germans, which were in turn allies of the Muslims, genius.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Look at how desperately you try to link everything bad to Muslims. The Japs were the scum of the earth and they were non-Muslims. Non-Muslims have committed a greater number of genocides, more brutal genocides, and more deadly genocides.

One more thing, this whole argument is flawed in your favor. I don't have to talk about Muslims as a whole. There's a world of difference between different Muslim groups. Arabs and Blacks are the worst regardless of their religion while Iranians haven't committed a genocide in the last thousands of years. How about we take one Muslim nation and compare them to one non-Muslim nation. Germans vs Iranians. Which people have been more war like and genocidal in the past two thousand years?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: ✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ on July 19, 2010, 03:13:53 AM
The "peaceful majority" is the "silent majority" and it is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The Average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of Killing that included the systematic killing of 12 million Chinese civilians, most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving". Peace-loving Muslims have become our enemy as they don't speak up. What makes the 93% not stop the only 7% fanatics? Because there is a larger dimension to it. The Muslim Ummah, Universal brotherhood.

In short, imagine an accident situation, a person is heavily injured, and by-standers passing by dont care to pickup that person and put him in hospital. In this case, the by-standers are equally inhumane. Anybody who is inhumane, is a threat to humanity. And so are all the so called peace loving Muslims.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:17:06 AM

Islam is probably not a peaceful religion but 93% of Muslims are. 7% of Muslims are evil. That amounts to 91 million bad Muslims. All of the terrorism you see in the world today come from these Muslims.

First of all this is of course Taqqiya. A Muslim who reject even one part of Islam is considered a Munfaik (Hypocrite) and should be killed, therefore, not Moslem.

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Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet almost no Jew condones this today.


Judaism has a very particular form of slavery and it doesn't exist today because of practical reasons (the Israeli governmen forbids it), not because "it doesn't fit to our days" or something as BS as that because Judaism says "בימים ההם בזמן הזה".

Also the bold part is a Nazi lie.

You're a typical case of an ignoramus Nazi troll.

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A Muslim who rejects violence is no less of a Muslim than a Jew who rejects stoning women to death and slavery is a Jew.


Simply false relativist logic. Islam is no more than a religion, a Muslim who reject its ideas is not a Muslim according to both logic and Islam.

Judaism is lot more than that. It's a Nation, Orach Chayim, Yoreh De'ah, Even Ha'ezer and Choshen Mishpat. You may name it "religio-nation" but NOT a religion.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on July 19, 2010, 05:47:03 AM
Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Certainly not many places on this Earth.

Not in Nigeria...

Or the Sudan...

Or Thailand...

The Phillipines...

Kashmir...

India...

Israel

There is hardly a place on this Earth where Muslims peacefully co-exist with people of other faiths. (in fact, there might be none)

Even if one was to buy into the absurd notion that Muslims are the victims of colonialist oppressors plotting a massive genocide against them and are merely protecting themselves, how does one explain the relentless terror, war and genocide they perpetrate against themselves ?

For example...

Pakistan

Iran

Iraq

Algeria

Afghanistan

Yemen

Somalia

Uganda

So I ask again; Where are Muslims peaceful ?

Any rational person should realize that since they are so barbaric and murderous amongst themselves, that they would do far worse to the infidels inhabiting Dar al Harb if given the chance.

I'll tell you something else RayRay...it's not just the incredible magnitude of Muslim murder that should appall any decent human being. It's the methodology that's beyond the pale of civilized behavior, that makes Islamic terror all the more repugnant to rational people.

It is only Muslims that attack and murder innocent people at Olympic games.

Or blow up people watching the World cup.

Or immolate people in a night club.

Or diners in a pizzaria.

Or hijack and detonate bombs on commercial airliners.

Or fly them into office buildings.

Or blow up buses.

Or throw children off the roof of their school.

Or bash in the brains of infants.

These are the acts of completely uncivilized, barbaric animals without a shred of humanity.

Yet RayRay has the audacity to start a thread titled 'Muslims are peaceful'.

In the final analysis it matters not whether it is 7%, 10% or 99% of Muslims that are violent murderous jihadists. It doesn't matter if they claim they're politically motivated or Koranically inspired. The bottom line is that millions of people have been maimed and died as a result of Muslim violence.

Since the so called 'moderate' Muslims are either unwilling or unable to control the murderous jihadists Islam spawns, the civilized peoples and nations of this world are obligated to defend themselves and put an end Mohammedan atrocities once and for all.

And if you don't like it RayRay, you can GFY and then ESAD.

This idiotic excuse of a post is the reason why you will remain in the fringe of the fringe. It has just been until very recently that Muslims are relatively violent. Historically Muslims were peaceful. The Crusaders, Mongols, and pre-Islamic Turks were the violent ones in these regions. I don't need to make pee-brained blanket assertions like you. The facts are on my side and I let the facts do the talking for me. I'll ignore the fact that Europeans have committed more wars and genocides than all other peoples combined, and yes these Europeans have exterminated each other more far more than they have against other people, and I'll just look list modern genocides.


The worst genocides of the 20th Century


Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)   49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)   23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945)   12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)   5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20)   1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)   1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)   1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)   1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)   1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)   900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)   800,000
Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98)   800,00
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88)   600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987)    570,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39)   500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002)   400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001)   400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979)   300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71)     300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII)   300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97)   
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996)   220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000)    200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972)    150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99)   100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999)   100,000

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


As you can see the vast majority of genocides have been perpetrated by non-Muslims. It's true that Muslims have historically been a small percent of the world's population but even considering that they have proportionately committed less genocides than non-Muslims. The worst offenders have been Communists and nationalistic chauvinists. Even the Muslim genocides like the Armenian genocide by the Turks were perpetrated not by religious Muslims but by secular nationalists like the secular young Turks. So by your logic, lets exterminate all non-Muslims because they can't control their fellow non-Muslims.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your ramblings. You can continue to distort the truth.

[censored].



I'm a [censored] that's distorting the truth ?

Let's review what's transpired here and determine who the truth distorting [censored] really is.

Some insipid douchenozzle comes to this forum and starts a thread entitled "Muslims are peaceful".

The insipid douchenozzle insists 'only' 7% of Muslims support genocidal jihad according to a Gallup poll. The insipid douchenoozle postulates that since 'only' about 90 million Muslims openly support violent jihad, murder and genocide in a Gallup poll, that this is reason enough to proclaim that 'Muslims are peaceful'.

The insipid douchenozzle is given countless examples proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Muslims are not peaceful; the insipid douchenozzle is shown uncontestable evidence which proves not only that Muslims aren't peaceful but that the magnitude and barbarity of Muslim mayhem and murder is off the charts.

And what is the insipid douchenozzle's response ?

The insipid douchenozzle gives this forum a chart of the worst genocides of the 20th century.

That's all you've got as a defense, insipid douchenozzle ?

You've got to be kidding me.

Instead of pulling your head out of your sphincter and seeing what anyone with eyes and a functioning brain would - you still maintain Muslims are peaceful.

And why are Muslims peaceful ?

Because Hitler and Stalin and Mao killed more people in the 20th century !

What brilliant logic !!

Hey, let's start a campaign to convince people that Ted Bundy wasn't such a bad guy because John Gacey buried a larger number of adolescent boys under his house compared to the amount of co-eds corpses Bundy deposited on mountainsides.

You freaking moron.

No one here said Hitler was peaceful. No one here said the Japanese of WWII were peaceful.

But some douchenozzle comes here and says Muslims are peaceful.

That douchenozzle would be YOU.

By the way, douchenozzle, I notice there's quite a few Muslims on the list you posted to prove that 'Muslims are peaceful'.

Only a brainless douchnozzle could post a list containing the names Hassan Tarabi, Idi Amin, Mullah Omar, Saddam Hussein and Ismail Enver and think this supports his moronic assertion that Muslims are peaceful.

You're too [censored] stupid to realize you shot yourself in the foot with that brilliant little gem, douchenozzle.

GFY, ESAD. 
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Thaar_Revenge on July 19, 2010, 06:38:01 AM
We aren't peaceful and you aren't peaceful either. We are at war with the West and with IsraHell. I am honest. The stronger will survive. I see no reason for peace and I do not promote peace. The only peace I want to have is the one of an islamised world.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 06:42:49 AM
We aren't peaceful and you aren't peaceful either. We are at war with the West and with IsraHell. I am honest. The stronger will survive. I see no reason for peace and I do not promote peace. The only peace I want to have is the one of an islamised world.

Hello, Ralph. You seem to be obsessed with Israel lately.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Thaar_Revenge on July 19, 2010, 06:59:56 AM
My name is Ahmad. I am no dirty swine kuffar!  >:(
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Ulli on July 19, 2010, 07:46:36 AM
My name is Ahmad. I am no dirty swine kuffar!  >:(

I believe it. You are a dirty quranimal. This is much much worse than a swine.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on July 19, 2010, 07:51:43 AM
I wish there were more 'honest' Koranimals like Ahmad.

Ahmad, do you think most Koranimals share your desires and ambitions ?

I'm convinced they do.

However, there are lots of douchenozzles (you reading this RayRay ?) that remain unconvinced. They believe you're representative of 'only' 90 million or a small percentage of Mooslimes.

You are to be applauded for your honesty. If only more Koranimals would openly express their desire to annihilate the West and Israel and conquer the world for Pislam.

You're providing a valuable lesson and service to the simpletons in the West who refuse to see Islam for what it truly is.

I guess you were sick the day they were giving taqqiyah lessons in school.

Ahmad, you're almost too good to be true. Why, if I didn't know better, I'd suspect you're a plant.

Keep being truthful Ahmad.

Piss be upon the Islamic comic, aka Mohamhead.

Allahu Crackwhore !


Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 19, 2010, 09:23:11 AM
Funny...it seems that you don't notice that they kill each other in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, amongst other places in the world...

Oh and the threats of drawing Mohammed...yeh peaceful...maybe in kookooistan..
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:33:04 AM
TODAY, this is what the "PEACEFUL" Moslems are doing:

http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2010/07/18/pope-s-birmingham-open-air-mass-targeted-by-muslim-group-66331-26875088/

HOW TO BUILD A BOMB:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/07/18/2010-07-18_its_murder_ink_fear_terror_thug_uses_web_mag_to_recruit_yanks.html

"Peace....." Sure...

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:34:11 AM
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.

Taqqiya. Go to some other website, you moslems make nothing for HELL for Jews and Christians- YOU SUCK.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:36:06 AM
We aren't peaceful and you aren't peaceful either. We are at war with the West and with IsraHell. I am honest. The stronger will survive. I see no reason for peace and I do not promote peace. The only peace I want to have is the one of an islamised world.

Thaar, you are a faggot, like all Moslems- go f-ck a sheep. Blasphemous monsters.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:38:11 AM
We aren't peaceful and you aren't peaceful either. We are at war with the West and with IsraHell. I am honest. The stronger will survive. I see no reason for peace and I do not promote peace. The only peace I want to have is the one of an islamised world.

Thaar, you are a faggot, like all Moslems- go f-ck a sheep. Blasphemous monsters.

He wants an "ISLAMIZED WORLD"
May allah the merciful LOL send you [censored] to the gallows first, thats 'peace' I can believe.
Cya, but I aint going to HELL, you are.
Caio ARAB DOG
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:39:09 AM
"PEACE:"

(http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/londonbus-islamispeace4.jpg)
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:40:29 AM
THAAR AND RAY, both Arab:
(http://www.resourceinvestor.com/SiteCollectionImages/uglydog.png)
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(http://www.masters-of-war.org/images/BUSH/dogs2.jpg)

 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2010, 09:46:10 AM
(http://brotherpeacemaker.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/iraq_torture_01.jpg)

 :usa: :israel: :usa: :israel: :fist: :jump: :clap: ;) :beast:

ARAB DOGS HERE ON JTF, LETS MAKE THEM HAVE A BARKING CONTEST
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Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
THAAR AND RAY, both Arab:
(http://www.resourceinvestor.com/SiteCollectionImages/uglydog.png)

But you gotta remember one thing. Muslims hate dogs.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 03:31:39 PM

The insipid douchenozzle insists 'only' 7% of Muslims support genocidal jihad according to a Gallup poll. The insipid douchenoozle postulates that since 'only' about 90 million Muslims openly support violent jihad, murder and genocide in a Gallup poll, that this is reason enough to proclaim that 'Muslims are peaceful'.

That is enough reason to say that they're peaceful.

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The insipid douchenozzle is given countless examples proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Muslims are not peaceful; the insipid douchenozzle is shown uncontestable evidence which proves not only that Muslims aren't peaceful but that the magnitude and barbarity of Muslim mayhem and murder is off the charts.

Non-Muslims from the same Muslim nations are just as violent as their Muslims. Behavior is based more on race than on religion and Muslims aren't all alike either. You said they bash in the brains of their babies. The only people that do that today are Blacks regardless of whether their religion is voodoo or Islam. Tell me when Iranians fly planes into buildings, blow up buses, bash in infant brains, or throw school children off of roofs. Chechens, Arabs, and Blacks do that. Chechens and Russians do behave like each other despite differences in religion. Russians were renowned for torturing enemies and their family members in the Soviet Union similar to the way Chechens torture and behead Russians today. 

And in terms of "magnitude" I've shown that the Japanese during WWII tore fetuses out of mothers, forced fathers to rape their daughters and sons to rape their mothers, and burned down buildings with people of all ages inside, and generals who had decapitation contests. They also castrated American soldiers. 

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And why are Muslims peaceful ?

Because 93% of them reject violence and some go as far as citing verses from the Koran that reject violence. They go as far as citing the Koran about non-violence yet the violent ones are violent because of political reasons and not religious reasons.

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Because Hitler and Stalin and Mao killed more people in the 20th century !

No one here said Hitler was peaceful. No one here said the Japanese of WWII were peaceful.

The comparison is valid. The way you describe Muslims you would think 99% of the wars and genocides have been committed by them but in reality less than 1% of the genocides have been committed by them.

Also, explain why from the year 1,000 - 1945 Muslims have been far more peaceful than Europeans both with each other and with non-Muslims.


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By the way, douchenozzle, I notice there's quite a few Muslims on the list you posted to prove that 'Muslims are peaceful'.

Only a brainless douchnozzle could post a list containing the names Hassan Tarabi, Idi Amin, Mullah Omar, Saddam Hussein and Ismail Enver and think this supports his moronic assertion that Muslims are peaceful.

Tarabi and Amin were Black and Blacks behave the same regardless of their religion. Hussein and Enver were secular nationalistic chauvinists like Hitler so Islam is not the reason why they committed genocides. Mullah Omar and his Taliban are the only Muslims that have been genocidal.

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You're too [censored] stupid to realize you shot yourself in the foot with that brilliant little gem, douchenozzle.

Go back and address the failures of your emotional-based arguments. Non-Muslims have committed more genocides and their genocides have killed far more people. In terms of cruelty Non-Muslims are also worse. Actions are all that matter, not the wickedness of their prophet. It has been only in recent times that Muslims have surpassed non-Muslims in violence. Throughout most of history non-Muslims from all over the world have been worse.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 03:36:22 PM

The insipid douchenozzle insists 'only' 7% of Muslims support genocidal jihad according to a Gallup poll. The insipid douchenoozle postulates that since 'only' about 90 million Muslims openly support violent jihad, murder and genocide in a Gallup poll, that this is reason enough to proclaim that 'Muslims are peaceful'.

That is enough reason to say that they're peaceful.

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The insipid douchenozzle is given countless examples proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Muslims are not peaceful; the insipid douchenozzle is shown uncontestable evidence which proves not only that Muslims aren't peaceful but that the magnitude and barbarity of Muslim mayhem and murder is off the charts.

Non-Muslims from the same Muslim nations are just as violent as their Muslims. Behavior is based more on race than on religion and Muslims aren't all alike either. You said they bash in the brains of their babies. The only people that do that today are Blacks regardless of whether their religion is voodoo or Islam. Tell me when Iranians fly planes into buildings, blow up buses, bash in infant brains, or throw school children off of roofs. Chechens, Arabs, and Blacks do that. Chechens and Russians do behave like each other despite differences in religion. Russians were renowned for torturing enemies and their family members in the Soviet Union similar to the way Chechens torture and behead Russians today. 

And in terms of "magnitude" I've shown that the Japanese during WWII tore fetuses out of mothers, forced fathers to rape their daughters and sons to rape their mothers, and burned down buildings with people of all ages inside, and generals who had decapitation contests. They also castrated American soldiers. 

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And why are Muslims peaceful ?

Because 93% of them reject violence and some go as far as citing verses from the Koran that reject violence. If they go as far as citing the Koran

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Because Hitler and Stalin and Mao killed more people in the 20th century !

No one here said Hitler was peaceful. No one here said the Japanese of WWII were peaceful.

The comparison is valid. The way you describe Muslims you would think 99% of the wars and genocides have been committed by them but in reality less than 1% of the genocides have been committed by them.

Also, explain why from the year 1,000 - 1945 Muslims have been far more peaceful than Europeans both with each other and with non-Muslims.


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By the way, douchenozzle, I notice there's quite a few Muslims on the list you posted to prove that 'Muslims are peaceful'.

Only a brainless douchnozzle could post a list containing the names Hassan Tarabi, Idi Amin, Mullah Omar, Saddam Hussein and Ismail Enver and think this supports his moronic assertion that Muslims are peaceful.

Tarabi and Amin were Black and Blacks behave the same regardless of their religion. Hussein and Enver were secular nationalistic chauvinists like Hitler so Islam is not the reason why they committed genocides. Mullah Omar and his Taliban are the only Muslims that have been genocidal.

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You're too [censored] stupid to realize you shot yourself in the foot with that brilliant little gem, douchenozzle.

Go back and address the failures of your emotional-based arguments. Non-Muslims have committed more genocides and their genocides have killed far more people. In terms of cruelty Non-Muslims are also worse. Actions are all that matter, not the wickedness of their prophet. It has been only in recent times that Muslims have surpassed non-Muslims in violence. Throughout most of history non-Muslims from all over the world have been worse.

Hey Fuk face.  Allah sucks big dik.  FUK Allah and [censored] You
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 03:38:22 PM
Hey Fuk face.  Allah sucks big dik.  FUK Allah and deleted You

What are you 13 years old?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
I bought a Koran and pissed on it.  I piss on your God, Allah
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Hey Fuk face.  Allah sucks big dik.  FUK Allah and deleted You

What are you 13 years old?

Why don't you answer me you 12 years old fuk face?
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 03:45:14 PM
Fuk Face- The Koran is for wiping assses.  And Allah is shitttt
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 03:45:29 PM
Hey Fuk face.  Allah sucks big dik.  FUK Allah and deleted You

What are you 13 years old?

Seems like you're the 13 year old here.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 03:46:46 PM
FUK FACE.,  I wanna dig up Allah, and crap on him.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 03:49:53 PM
ALLAH =  SHITTTT
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 03:51:46 PM
Allah is commonly  found floating around in the middle of any toilet
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: MasterWolf1 on July 19, 2010, 04:05:16 PM
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q200/DaytonaBeach3815/Thell/koran.gif)

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 04:08:40 PM
Allah is commonly  found floating around in the middle of any toilet

And so is Muhammed.

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 04:20:51 PM
First of all this is of course Taqqiya. A Muslim who reject even one part of Islam is considered a Munfaik (Hypocrite) and should be killed, therefore, not Moslem.

And I say it's not Taqqiya. That was easy. Nothing changes the fact that non-Muslims have been far more genocidal and murderous than Muslims.

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Judaism has a very particular form of slavery

If Judaism condones slavery then it is a wicked religion. Period.

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Also the bold part is a Nazi lie.

20:27  A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


22:13  If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


22:23  If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.


23:45  And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.
23:46 For thus saith the Lord G-d; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.
23:47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.


Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 19, 2010, 04:22:11 PM
Ok, this guy knows it all, every argument he made makes perfect sense.  :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 04:40:55 PM
GayGay,

You appear to quote from the Torah but you ignore the Talmud which gives a complete explanation of these commandments. Your limited mind cannot comprehend the Jewish faith because you are so tainted by the wicked Islam that you cannot know the truth if it stares at you.

Jewish slavery is nothing to do like Islamic slavery. It is not wicked, it is compassion to those who have fallen into debt and other misfortune. A Jewish slave is treated better than his master, and a Jew is told it is better to not own a slave than to own one. But I doubt you will understand what I am saying here because you have shown how thick you are.

There is no arguing with an idiot who has no understanding of how to interpret our Torah. And I have no desire to teach it to a dog like you...

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
Fuk Face- The Koran is for wiping assses.  And Allah is shitttt

You still don't understand my argument. I will make it plain and simple:

1. I don't deny that Muhammad was a pedophile, murderer, liar, thief, or gangster and that Islam is a false religion.

2. I don't deny that Muslims are now more murderous than non-Muslims but overall non-Muslims have murdered hundreds of times as many people proportionately.

3. Different Muslim ethnic groups behave very differently. Arabs and Blacks are the worst. Iranians and Indian Muslims have been one of the most peaceful people in history. Claiming that all Muslims behave the same is a flawed argument.

4. Non-Muslims of any ethnic group behave very similar to non-Muslims of the same ethnic group. Behavior is based much more on race than on religion.

5. The Iranians want nuclear weapons because some Jews like Kahanists have promised to commit a genocide against them and they want to protect themselves from American imperialists who have a history of overthrowing governments and making war to steal oil.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: MasterWolf1 on July 19, 2010, 04:54:04 PM
I had an Islamic movement this morning, but then I flushed
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 04:59:59 PM

And I say it's not Taqqiya. That was easy.


Not really. What I said is basic logic (that I showed in another argument that you didn't have the courage to answer), this article's point is an oxymoron or shows Muslims who are smart enough to practice Taqqiya (which was NOT invented by Shi'ites: http://answering-islam.org/Index/T/taqiyya.html#sunni).

What you're saying about Islam, in all of your posts, is nothing less and nothing more than ignorance of Muslim theology, history and culture. Period.

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Nothing changes the fact that non-Muslims have been far more genocidal and murderous than Muslims.

That's not always true, and yet it's not a valid argument - the Communists have murdered WAY more people than the Nazis, does it make the Nazis any good?? (I know you'd answer yes).


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If Judaism condones slavery then it is a wicked religion. Period.

HAHAHA who are you to tell G-D He's evil Ralph?!

What a moronic self-worshipping Nazi you are. You have no proprietary right on morals, your morals are subjective and therefore lack of any absolulte meaning.

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20:27  A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


22:13  If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


22:23  If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.


23:45  And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.
23:46 For thus saith the Lord G-d; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.
23:47 And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.




So?

People should read Rashi's interpretations to this before taking what is quoted literally (it can be misunderstood).

What you said is that Judaism condones stoning women, which is a half-truth. What can be understood from what you said is that Judaism treats women like garbage and allows stoning women just like that. Obviously you hate Judaism so you lie about it and try to make to look it bad.

In some cases Judaism allows stoning people (without gender-oriented inequity, if I remember correctly). What's the problem with stoning evil people (in some cases, in other cases they're treated differently). An Atheist Nazi mind like yours would never be able to understand that because you're busy conedming "evil" treatment of evil people but not not the evil people themeselves. Only a Nazi can compare a victim and a criminal.
ours would never be able to understand that because you're busy conedming "evil" treatment of evil people but not not the evil people themeselves. Only a Nazi can compare a victim and a criminal.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 05:01:17 PM
You appear to quote from the Torah but you ignore the Talmud which gives a complete explanation of these commandments. Your limited mind cannot comprehend the Jewish faith because you are so tainted by the wicked Islam that you cannot know the truth if it stares at you.

I don't believe you. Why don't you list those explanations? The Tanach is as cruel as the Koran and there's no reason why the Talmud would be any better than the Tanach. In fact the Talmud may be even worse. I know that the Talmud and not the Torah not only permits but encourages uncles to have sex with their nieces.

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Jewish slavery is nothing to do like Islamic slavery. It is not wicked, it is compassion to those who have fallen into debt and other misfortune. A Jewish slave is treated better than his master, and a Jew is told it is better to not own a slave than to own one. But I doubt you will understand what I am saying here because you have shown how thick you are.

I've already called on your baloney in the past. So far you've lied about Muslims being murderous and genocidal and you said the Iraq war wasn't based on lies.  

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There is no arguing with an idiot who has no understanding of how to interpret our Torah. And I have no desire to teach it to a dog like you...

I see. So when you take verse out of context from the Koran it is fine but when I don't take verses out of context from the Tanach and post it in context I'm just not interpreting it correctly.

And you can keep calling me a Muslim but it doesn't change the fact that I'm not a Muslim.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:03:48 PM
GayGay doesn't have the ability to decide what's evil and what's not since he cannot be more right than any other human. Only G-D can do that - and we have His decision.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 05:06:32 PM
GayGay doesn't have the ability to decide what's evil and what's not since he cannot be more right than any other human. Only G-D can do that - and we have His decision.

And by your dumb logic Muslims can say we can kill you infidels because only G-d can decide what we may do and we have his decision. What's the difference between Islam and Judaism?

So by your logic, it doesn't matter that Islam is as evil as it is because it speaks for G-d.

And your phony, false religion is full of nonsense fairy tales, condones slavery and genocide, condones uncles to marry their nieces, and stoning people to death. Only an evil person would defend that and claim it speaks for god.

You fail.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:09:11 PM
GayGay doesn't have the ability to decide what's evil and what's not since he cannot be more right than any other human. Only G-D can do that - and we have His decision.

And by your dumb logic Muslims can say we can kill you infidels because only G-d can decide what we may do and we have his decision. What's the difference between Islam and Judaism?

So by your logic, it doesn't matter that Islam is as evil as it is because it speaks for G-d.

You fail.

Lol, no I don't, it's you who cannot understand anything so your dumb wasted relativist logic compares truth (Judaism) and Islam (falsehood).

The difference between Judaism and Islam is that Judaism is Truth and Islam is Falsehood. As simple as that.

You fail.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:18:51 PM
المنافقون are not Muslims!
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 05:19:26 PM
What you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that you are a complete and utter moron, nothing more and nothing less.

Why don't you go spend your time killing infidels, you are wasting our time here..

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:21:35 PM
What you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that you are a complete and utter moron, nothing more and nothing less.

Why don't you go spend your time killing infidels, you are wasting our time here..



He just cannot understand that لا إله إلا إلوقـيم ومائير كاهانا رسول إلوقـيم...
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 05:22:27 PM


Not really. What I said is basic logic (that I showed in another argument that you didn't have the courage to answer), this article's point is an oxymoron or shows Muslims who are smart enough to practice Taqqiya (which was NOT invented by Shi'ites: http://answering-islam.org/Index/T/taqiyya.html#sunni).

What you're saying about Islam, in all of your posts, is nothing less and nothing more than ignorance of Muslim theology, history and culture. Period.

Prove that they lied. If the poll shows that they reject violence and you said they lied the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

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That's not always true, and yet it's not a valid argument - the Communists have murdered WAY more people than the Nazis, does it make the Nazis any good?? (I know you'd answer yes).

That's bullcrap. The Nazis were nationalists and nationalists along with Communists have exterminated people in a class of their own. Real Muslims are responsible for less than 1% of all the genocides in the past 100 years. Your comparison of nationalists and communists to Muslims is flawed because both these groups have been responsible for the vast majority of the world's genocides. You're claiming that since Communists have killed more than nationalists while the Nazis were more evil proves that the number killed does not measure evil. It is a measure of evil for Muslims when historically they've been peaceful and have committed less than one percent of the world's genocides.

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HAHAHA who are you to tell G-D He's evil Ralph?!

What a moronic self-worshipping Nazi you are. You have no proprietary right on morals, your morals are subjective and therefore lack of any absolulte meaning.

Is that right you pee-brained retard? In that case I'll invent a religion tomorrow that states vile, cruel, and hateful things and then I'll say it speaks for G-d because your morals are subjective. Any religion like Judaism that is filled with nonsense fairy tales and cruelty is false. Any logical person can see that. And by your retarded logic Muslims can say the same thing about Islam. They should learn from a retard like you.

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So?

People should read Rashi's interpretations to this before taking what is quoted literally (it can be misunderstood).

What you said is that Judaism condones stoning women, which is a half-truth. What can be understood from what you said is that Judaism treats women like garbage and allows stoning women just like that. Obviously you hate Judaism so you lie about it and try to make to look it bad.

In some cases Judaism allows stoning people (without gender-oriented inequity, if I remember correctly). What's the problem with stoning evil people (in some cases, in other cases they're treated differently). An Atheist Nazi mind like yours would never be able to understand that because you're busy conedming "evil" treatment of evil people but not not the evil people themeselves. Only a Nazi can compare a victim and a criminal.
ours would never be able to understand that because you're busy conedming "evil" treatment of evil people but not not the evil people themeselves. Only a Nazi can compare a victim and a criminal.

Don't feel bad that you're losing the argument, retard. You overly-emotional faggots always call your opponents Nazis when they expose your religion. You should be used to losing the argument. I've also debated Muslims that said the exact same thing. "Our verse are being taken out of context." Nothing is being taken out of context. Only a lying piece of excrement like you would say that.

1. Judaism encourages uncles to marry their nieces.
2. Judaism condones slavery.
3. Judaism condones genocide.
4. Judaism condones stoning people to death for nonsense reasons.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 05:24:40 PM
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1. Judaism encourages uncles to marry their nieces.
2. Judaism condones slavery.
3. Judaism condones genocide.
4. Judaism condones stoning people to death for nonsense reasons

All of what you mentioned above is completely false. You are nuts.

1. Judaism does not encourage uncles to marry their nieces.
2. Judaism does not condone slavery.
3. Judaism does not condone genocide.
4. Judaism does not condone stoning people to death for nonsense reasons


Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 05:32:21 PM
RayRay,

You do not know anything about Judaism, just what you learned from Nazi websites..
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1) Judaism doesn't condone uncles marrying neices. Although this was allowed at a time, it is no longer allowed... There were reasons it was allowed at the time. Also Torah allowed Jews to marry multiple wives at one time, but that was changed also. You cannot say just because it is written in the Written law that you know how to interpret the law, only the Talmud explains the intricacies of the law... But you are a pee-brain and refuse to learn a single thing.

2. Judaism does not condone slavery. The Torah discussion of slavery is a societal system used to help the poor by giving them a place to live. The longest time a Jewish slave can remain in his servitude is only 7 years before he must be released. But again you are thick-headed and only read the part you want to read.

3. Judaism does not condone genocide... The Torah commanded the Israelites to conquer the land of Canaan, which because of G-ds hatred for Idolotry there was ample reason for. But the laws of War for Jews doesn't condone Genocide at all. Reading the laws of Jewish war it is clear that the Jewish nation should attempt a peaceful resolution before going to armed conflict. Even in armed conflict the laws discuss not destroying fruit trees, allowing the enemy one exit for those who don't want to fight, the Jewish army allows members to be excused from the war for various reasons, etc. etc... But again you will ignore facts and blabber on about how this is comparable to Islam, which we all know is complete BS on your part.

4. Judaism does not condone stoning to death for nonsense reasons. If a person studies the laws you will understand the reasons for the punishments. And the other thing is that the only way a death penalty can be given is through the Sanhedrin, which ceased operating 1000s of years ago, so there are no death penalties in Judaism at this time.... Also the requirements for a death penalty are much more severe than any civilized society today.... In order to render a death penalty there must be at least two witnesses, those witnesses need to warn the offender at least onces before the sentence can be rendered, and the court would only render a death penalty once in 70 years....

So do some learning and stop spouting nonsense here... Judaism is a religion which is based on a living document, the Torah, which is able to be followed in every generation.

There have been no people put to death by a Jewish court in over 2000 years... Yet Islam puts Fatwas and kills and mutilates women daily...

You have severe mental problems gaygay.... If you continue posting the same garbage over and over I will recommend you be banned again... It is only entertaining for you to be so stupid for so long... That time is running out...
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 05:32:29 PM


1. Judaism does not encourage uncles to marry their nieces.

You sure you don't want to take that back?

A man may marry:

4. His niece. In American and English civil law, a man may not marry a niece who is the daughter of his brother or sister, but may marry a niece who is the daughter of his wife’s brother or sister. The halakhic permission—even encouragement—to marry the daughter of a brother or sister is superseded by the civil law’s prohibition in this case."

5. His cousin.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

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2. Judaism does not condone slavery.
3. Judaism does not condone genocide.
4. Judaism does not condone stoning people to death for nonsense reasons

All refuted.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 05:36:08 PM


1. Judaism does not encourage uncles to marry their nieces.

You sure you don't want to take that back?

A man may marry:

4. His niece. In American and English civil law, a man may not marry a niece who is the daughter of his brother or sister, but may marry a niece who is the daughter of his wife’s brother or sister. The halakhic permission—even encouragement—to marry the daughter of a brother or sister is superseded by the civil law’s prohibition in this case."

5. His cousin.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

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2. Judaism does not condone slavery.
3. Judaism does not condone genocide.
4. Judaism does not condone stoning people to death for nonsense reasons

All refuted.

Obviously by your own quotation from Chabad you admit that Jews do not marry uncles and neices because it is against civil law...

Let us look at the laws of slavery:



http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/305549/jewish/Torah-Slavery-and-the-Jews.htm

Question:

My question is about slavery in the Torah. Why did the Torah allow it? It bothers me, though I know there must be some explanation.

Answer:

Once in a while a question comes along that gets to the core of everything. Then along comes some smart-aleck to provide an answer and wash the whole thing away.

Questions such as these are not just holes in the ground waiting to be plugged up. They are invitations to spelunk deep beneath the surface, traveling all the way to the bedrock of our beliefs, challenging basic assumptions and redefining the landscape.

Your question is one of those bedrock questions: After all, isn't slavery the antithesis of Torah?

Torah begins with the creation of Adam in the Divine Image. The central event of the Torah narrative is the liberation of an entire nation of slaves from a cruel oppressor. Torah is about liberty, human dignity and respect for our fellow citizens of this planet for which the Creator cares so much. More than Torah is Man's discovery of G-d, Torah is G-d's discovery of Man and his world.

How can that same Torah that makes us kind permit oppressive labor of a fellow Divine Image? You'll note, too, that as soon as the Ten Commandments are done with, where does the Torah begin legislating? "If you will have a maidservant..."--with the rights of the most easily oppressed citizen, a young girl working in your home.
Let me point out another powerful weapon of social upheaval that the Torah espouses, especially through the medium of King David's collection of psalms: The Divine CEO open-door policy. A.k.a. "personal prayer": Any individual, indeed, any living creature, can at any moment, for any complaint, cry out to the Master of the Universe and his/her/its petition will be heard and acted upon. Guaranteed. "This poor man cries out and G-d listens." You may not have thought about this, but those may just be the most radical, subversive and revolutionary words in history. Whereas the kings and priests of old would have their subjects believe that life is a grand chain of command with yours truly on top and you scum on the bottom, this idea of personal prayer flattened all hierarchies: Everyone is equally close to the top of the ladder.

Torah is not just about liberty, Torah liberates in a radical way. Yet here you have these laws about buying and selling slaves. What's going on?

Okay, they're not really slaves. Slaves are people owned by other people. In Torah law, you never have complete ownership over anything. These slaves rest on the seventh day and Jewish holidays, cannot be physically or sexually abused and are obligated in many mitzvot. So they are really more like indentured servants.

But that certainly does not answer our question: Why should any human being be deprived of rights and privileges that others have? Such as the right to live wherever they please, work for whoever they wish to work and quit whenever they want? How does this divvy up with the Torah's assertion that every human being bears the Divine Image?

Maimonides

Yes, there's tension here, and as every good dramatist and massage therapist knows, tension is a good point to play with.

The place we're going to start is Maimonides' Laws of Servants. Being the reckless, impatient souls that we are, we'll start from the very last words.

(You may ask, "Why the obsession with Maimonides? Is he the only authority on everything?"

No, he's not. But he's usually a great place to search for answers.

Maimonides wrote the only codification of the entire gamut of Jewish law-the Mishnah only includes those matters that were not common practice and could come to be forgotten. And the Shulchan Aruch includes only those matters that apply in the time of exile. And he wrote in a concise style with great precision.

Sure, he hit up against lots of controversy for a few hundred years. But eventually he was accepted as the foremost authority since the close of the Babylonian Talmud.)

So here goes:

    It is permissible to work a non-Jewish servant harshly. Yet, although this is the law, the way of the pious and the wise is to be compassionate and to pursue justice, not to overburden or oppress a servant, and to provide them from every dish and every drink.

    The early sages would give their servants from every dish on their table. They would feed their animals and their servants before sitting to their own meals. Does it not say (Psalms 123:2), "As the eyes of the servant to the hand of his master; as the eyes of the maid to her mistress [so our eyes are towards the L-rd our G-d...]"?

    So, too, you should not denigrate a servant, neither physically nor verbally. The Torah made him your servant to do work, not to be disgraced. Do not treat him with constant screaming and anger, rather speak with him pleasantly and listen to his complaints. Such were the good ways in which Job took pride when he said, "Did I ever despise the judgment of my servant and my maid when they argued with me? Did not my Maker make him, too, in the belly; did not the same One form us both in the womb?"

    For anger and cruelty are only found among other nations. The children of Abraham, our father--and they are Israel, to whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has provided the goodness of Torah and commanded us righteous judgments and statutes--they are compassionate to all. This is one of the attributes of the Holy One, blessed be He, that we are commanded to emulate (Psalms 145:9): "And He has compassion for all He has made."

    Furthermore, all who have compassion will be treated compassionately, as was stated (Deuteronomy 13:18), "He will give you compassion and He will have compassion upon you and multiply you."

    (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Indentured Servants, 9:8)

Tightening the Screws

Reading superficially, you might imagine that Maimonides is presenting us with little more than apologetics. He seems to be saying, "The Torah says we can be real mean, but that's not nice, so we don't do that."

But I'm asking you to read his words a little more carefully. Look for the tension in those words. Tension is meaningful, tension indicates something deep going on: Here you have the Torah telling you to be kind and compassionate towards all G-d's creatures. And this is not just a polite suggestion--this is a command:

    "And you shall go in His ways!" (Deuteronomy 28:9)

    "Is it possible to say such a thing? Rather, it means that since He is compassionate, you too must be compassionate. Since He is kind, you must also be kind. Since He dresses the naked and feeds the hungry, so must you....." (Midrash Sifri; Talmud, Sotah 14a)

--which Maimonides himself counts as one of the 613 mitzvahs of the Torah (Book of Mitzvot, Positive Commandment #8).

And then the same Torah says, "But you're allowed to be nasty to your slaves"!

The tension screws tighter: Why are we kind and compassionate? Because "the Holy One, blessed be He, gave us His Torah." So how can that same Torah that makes us kind permit oppressive labor of a fellow Divine Image?

How about a little consistency over here? Why can't the Torah start outright with the laws of servants, "If you have people working for you, you must treat them as equals. You must talk to them in a pleasant voice, listen to their complaints, feed them the same food you eat, provide employee benefits, regular vacations, perks and incentives, great office parties, stock options in the company, in-house professional massage therapy at lunch break and a sushi bar on every floor. If you don't like it, do the work yourself."

Why not? Because that would undermine the purpose of Torah.

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As you see my explanation of Slavery is correct, it is nothing like the concept of American or Islamic slavery at all... Just because you are retarded doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the commandments concerning slavery in the Torah...
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 05:39:04 PM
Obviously by your own quotation from Chabad you admit that Jews do not marry uncles and neices because it is against civil law...

It is against civil law in the present in most nations but it was encouraged before civil law prohibited it.

What about marrying cousins? That's incestuous and no religion of god would condone incest, which produces diseased children.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
Obviously by your own quotation from Chabad you admit that Jews do not marry uncles and neices because it is against civil law...

It is against civil law in the present in most nations but it was encouraged before civil law prohibited it.

What about marrying cousins? That's incestuous and no religion of G-d would condone incest, which produces diseased children.

That is your opinion, and I can care less about it..

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:43:00 PM
Let's humiliate you once again.


Prove that they lied. If the poll shows that they reject violence and you said they lied the burden of proof is on you to prove it.



Islam commands them to lie...?

I've already proved it to you. Go back to first grade and learn how to read, Ralph.

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That's bullcrap.  


Look, you said that because non-Muslims supposedly murdered more people than Muslims (which is not always true), What's the point if not trying to protect them?

The fact that some killed more than them, doens't make them human.

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The Nazis were nationalists and nationalists along with Communists have exterminated people in a class of their own.


The reason is not the topic of this discussion, the numbers are.

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Real Muslims are responsible for less than 1% of all the genocides in the past 100 years.

What an outright liar you are.

* 2 million Muslims were killed by other Muslims in the Iraqi-Iranian war.
* 2 million Sudanese non-Muslims were murdered by Sudanese Muslims.
* 350,000 Lebanese were muredered during the Civil War in Lebanon from 1975 to 1982.
* 250,000 Christian Indonesians were murdered by Muslim Indonesians.
etc etc etc

What's a "Real Muslim" and what's a "Fake Muslim"?  :::D :::D One who betrays his culture and fits your subjective standards?  :laugh:


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Your comparison of nationalists and communists to Muslims is flawed because both these groups have been responsible for the vast majority of the world's genocides.

As shown above they were not. How does the reason for murder matters? the argument is about numbers (Also, the Muslims participated in the genocide the Communists and the Nazis have committed), you started talking numbers, I've proved you wrong, that's my answer.

Are you that dishonest that you humiliate yourself and use a moronic nonsense argument like this instead of admitting you're wrong?

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They're the


Donno how to type, do you?




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Is that right you pee-brained retard? In that case I'll invent a religion tomorrow that states vile, cruel, and hateful things and then I'll say it speaks for G-d because your morals are subjective. Any religion like Judaism that is filled with nonsense fairy tales and cruelty is false. Any logical person can see that. Annd by your retarded logic Muslims can say the same thing about Islam. They should learn from a retard like you.

 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D Who said Judaism is invented and not Divine?!

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Don't feel bad that you're losing the argument, retard. You overly-emotional faggots always call your opponents Nazis when they expose your religion. You should be used to losing the argument. I've also debated Muslims that said the exact same thing. "Our verse are being taken out of context." Nothing is being taken out of context. Only a lying piece of excrement like you would say that.

 

 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D should I even answer that?

I've explained how you took the verse out of context because you're too dumb to understand it and learn instead of judging it with your professional ignorance, what you do is use ad-hominem (what you're blaming me for) because you're too dishonest to check it out. You can do nothing but wine and compare completely different ideas (Judaism vs Islam) with no reasonable base to that comparison.

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1. Judaism encourages uncles to marry their nieces.
2. Judaism condones slavery.
3. Judaism condones genocide.
4. Judaism condones stoning people to death for nonsense reasons.

You love cursing me, were you hurt when you lost the debate?

I already answered that, people you can search it up and laugh at this clown.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
Ralph just gets dumber and dumber after every post. He didn't answer 80% of my points. I'm getting bored.

الجهل...
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 19, 2010, 05:51:08 PM
בס''ד

Ralph, what does your psychiatrist say about your obsession with JTF? How does he feel about your registering on our forum dozens of times with different names? I hope you are taking your medication.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 05:56:15 PM
RayRay,

You do not know anything about Judaism, just what you learned from Nazi websites..

False. I get my information about Judaism from this source:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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1) Judaism doesn't condone uncles marrying neices. Although this was allowed at a time, it is no longer allowed...

This means that Judaism is imperfect. G-d does not make laws and then want them to be changed. That's common sense. Any religion of G-d is supposed to be perfect.

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There were reasons it was allowed at the time. Also Torah allowed Jews to marry multiple wives at one time, but that was changed also.


Again, imperfection.


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You cannot say just because it is written in the Written law that you know how to interpret the law, only the Talmud explains the intricacies of the law... But you are a pee-brain and refuse to learn a single thing.

No I hold religions to high standards. They claim they speak for G-d so they shouldn't have any errors or sanctioning of evil.

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2. Judaism does not condone slavery. The Torah discussion of slavery is a societal system used to help the poor by giving them a place to live. The longest time a Jewish slave can remain in his servitude is only 7 years before he must be released. But again you are thick-headed and only read the part you want to read.

You're trying to water down the evil of slavery. Being enslaved by your own society for even one day is evil. Now I have a question for you. If Judaism is a perfect religion that speaks for G-d why is it that all of thee practices are illegal today and why have all of these laws been reformed or voided.

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3. Judaism does not condone genocide... The Torah commanded the Israelites to conquer the land of Canaan, which because of G-ds hatred for Idolotry there was ample reason for.

That is genocide. No religion of G-d would condone killing an entire people because some of them worship a false G-d. Why should that even be a sin. Anyone should be free to worship what they want.

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Even in armed conflict the laws discuss not destroying fruit trees

This type of nonsense is more proof that Judaism is a false religion.

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4. Judaism does not condone stoning to death for nonsense reasons. If a person studies the laws you will understand the reasons for the punishments. And the other thing is that the only way a death penalty can be given is through the Sanhedrin, which ceased operating 1000s of years ago, so there are no death penalties in Judaism at this time.... Also the requirements for a death penalty are much more severe than any civilized society today....


The Tanach clearly says that adulterers will be stoned to death. That is barbaric. Maybe the Rabbis of the Talmud didn't like that and decided to change it but this shows that Judaism is imperfect.

One more thing, Judaism also contradicts science. I believe it says that the sun revolves around the earth.


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So do some learning and stop spouting nonsense here... Judaism is a religion which is based on a living document, the Torah, which is able to be followed in every generation.

If by living document you mean open to interpretation then again this shows that it's an imperfect religion.

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There have been no people put to death by a Jewish court in over 2000 years... Yet Islam puts Fatwas and kills and mutilates women daily...

Islam is an evil and wicked religion. I have made that clear. Most Muslims are not evil.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 05:59:12 PM
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This type of nonsense is more proof that Judaism is a false religion.

That is nonsense. If you ask me, Islam is more of a false religion than Judaism will ever be.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 06:02:23 PM
This type of nonsense is more proof that Judaism is a false religion.

That is nonsense. If you ask me, Islam is more of a false religion than Judaism will ever be.

So you admit that Judaism is less of a false religion than Islam, which means it's still a false religion.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 06:06:43 PM
This type of nonsense is more proof that Judaism is a false religion.

That is nonsense. If you ask me, Islam is more of a false religion than Judaism will ever be.

So you admit that Judaism is less of a false religion than Islam, which means it's still a false religion.

No, that is not what I mean. Muhammed stole everything from the Jews including the concept of non eating pork. You are walking on thin ice here.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
Ralph just gets dumber and dumber after every post. He didn't answer 80% of my points. I'm getting bored.

الجهل...

I don't respond to your repetitive points. You use the Torah as an excuse to commit genocides against entire peoples but then you hypocritically complain about Islam when Muslims show the desire to do the same thing.

Muslims may be commanded to lie to protect their religion but that doesn't mean they will lie when gallup poll asks them if they approve of violence. You have no proof that they lied.

The Iran-Iraq war was a war, not a genocide. My list showed genocides, not wars. If I include wars it will be even worse for you. The Armenian genocide was committed by secular nationalist Turks like the Nazis. Islam did not cause that genocide.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 19, 2010, 06:09:00 PM
בס''ד

Torah Judaism is perfect and does not change. However, there are "70 faces of the Torah" which means there are different acceptable ways of observing the commandments. There is not one monolithic method of observing G-d's laws.

Ralph, your obsession with us is getting boring. I know you went crazy when we criticized your idol Ron Paul. Ever since then, you have registered dozens of times. If we hadn't banned you, you would have spent your entire life writing obsessively on our forum.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
Ralph just gets dumber and dumber after every post. He didn't answer 80% of my points. I'm getting bored.

الجهل...

I don't respond to your repetitive points. You use the Torah as an excuse to commit genocides against entire peoples but then you hypocritically complain about Islam when Muslims show the desire to do the same thing.

Muslims may be commanded to lie to protect their religion but that doesn't mean they will lie when gallup poll asks them if they approve of violence. You have no proof that they lied.

The Iran-Iraq war was a war, not a genocide. My list showed genocides, not wars. If I include wars it will be even worse for you. The Armenian genocide was committed by secular nationalist Turks like the Nazis. Islam did not cause that genocide.



But you are forgetting the fact that Turks murdered two million Armenians in the early part of the 20th century. Islam did cause that genocide! Take that, GAYGAY!
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 19, 2010, 06:15:32 PM
בס''ד

The Muslim Nazis have committed 90% of the killings in the world during the past 40 years. Ralph compares their genocidal massacres of millions (including millions of their fellow Muslims) to the Jewish people defending themselves to survive. This is so comical.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 06:20:35 PM
בס''ד

The Muslim Nazis have committed 90% of the killings in the world during the past 40 years. Ralph compares their genocidal massacres of millions (including millions of their fellow Muslims) to the Jewish people defending themselves to survive. This is so comical.
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"FF" doesn't deserve an explanation for anything, Chaim!  He's a zero!  He was born a zero and he'll a die a zero.   He likes getting an explanation because it makes him feel important, and that what he says means something.  What "FF" says means nothing. 
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 06:21:30 PM

I don't respond to your repetitive points. You use the Torah as an excuse to commit genocides against entire peoples but then you hypocritically complain about Islam when Muslims show the desire to do the same thing.


You use the same stupid irrational relativist [censored]. The Torah is perfect, the light and truth in its embodiment. Another Atheist can claim that genocide is moral no matter who it's pointed at and you could have no rational/objective answer to that because your morals are subjective. My arguments are objective because G-D's Judgement (the Torah) is objective. You're used to avoid points and argue the same garbage because you're a pathetic obsessed debator who cannot admit he lost a debate.

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Muslims may be commanded to lie to protect their religion but that doesn't mean they will lie when gallup poll asks them if they approve of violence. You have no proof that they lied.

Muslims are commanded to lie in order to not hurt the Jihad struggle (in all of its forms). they said they do not support terrorism (which is Taqqiya) because they knew it would hurt Islam and reveal their true faces. Or maybe they said they really do not support terrorism - because the accepted definiton of terrorism does not Islam's definition, so it would be Al-Kitman.

A Muslim who doesn't support Jihad, is a Munafiq, if you don't accept it, you're a dishonest beast.

That's why they lied. What you're saying is the same as saying Nazis may hate Jews but that doesn't mean they will kill Jews if they had the chance, because Taqqiya and Jew hatred are key principles in both ideas.


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The Iran-Iraq war was a war, not a genocide. My list showed genocides, not wars. If I include wars it will be even worse for you.


So if mass-murderes are committed during a war they can't be listed as genocide (now you're distorting the definition of genocide?! How dumb can one sponge-faced pig be?!).

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The Armenian genocide was committed by secular nationalist Turks like the Nazis. Islam did not cause that genocide.

Where did I talk about the Armenian genocide?

the Turks who committed this genocide were Muslims, maybe Fajirs, but Muslims. What they did was justified with Islamic arguments.
Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 06:25:19 PM

Islam commands them to lie...?

I've already proved it to you. Go back to first grade and learn how to read, Ralph.

I don't care that Islam commands them to lie when their religion is in danger. I have no way of being sure that they lied to gallup when they asked them if violence is justified.

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Look, you said that because non-Muslims supposedly murdered more people than Muslims (which is not always true), What's the point if not trying to protect them?

The fact that some killed more than them, doens't make them human.

But you claim that Muslims are the most evil. Why have Jews been treated much better in Iran than they were in Europe? Why have Muslims committed one percent of the wars and genocides that non-Muslims? You can keep sidestepping like a weasel and I will continue to repeat this.

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What an outright liar you are.

* 2 million Muslims were killed by other Muslims in the Iraqi-Iranian war.

That was a war started by Iraq, not Iran. I didn't include wars in my list of genocide and if I do

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* 2 million Sudanese non-Muslims were murdered by Sudanese Muslims.

Blacks behave like that regardless of whether their religion is voodoo or Islam.

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* 350,000 Lebanese were muredered during the Civil War in Lebanon from 1975 to 1982.
* 250,000 Christian Indonesians were murdered by Muslim Indonesians.
etc etc etc

Massacres like these are one percent of the massacres that non-Muslims have committed. All of the massacres you listed amount to one to two million compared to hundreds of millions committed by communists and nationalists.

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What's a "Real Muslim" and what's a "Fake Muslim"?  :::D :::D One who betrays his culture and fits your subjective standards?  :laugh:

Saddam Hussein, Nasser, and the Young Turks were more nationalistic chauvinists than Muslims. Khomeini and the Taliban are real Muslims.  

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As shown above they were not. How does the reason for murder matters? the argument is about numbers (Also, the Muslims participated in the genocide the Communists and the Nazis have committed), you started talking numbers, I've proved you wrong, that's my answer.

Are you that dishonest that you humiliate yourself and use a moronic nonsense argument like this instead of admitting you're wrong?

You are wrong and you're too much of a liar to admit it. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world that have committed one percent of the world's genocides. Most of these genocides have been committed by Blacks and Arabs. The rest of the Muslim world is very peaceful compared to non-Muslims.

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Who said Judaism is invented and not Divine?!

Common sense. Judaism is filled with fairy tale nonsense stories and it condones mistreatment of people.

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I've explained how you took the verse out of context because you're too dumb to understand it and learn instead of judging it with your professional ignorance, what you do is use ad-hominem (what you're blaming me for) because you're too dishonest to check it out. You can do nothing but wine and compare completely different ideas (Judaism vs Islam) with no reasonable base to that comparison.

Yeah sure. I put all the verses in context. I listed three or four verses before the ones that condone stoning women to death. The rabbis of the Talmud didn't like the cruelty of their religion so they "interpreted" the verses to mean anything other than what it clearly states to any honest person.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 06:28:07 PM
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But you claim that Muslims are the most evil. Why have Jews been treated much better in Iran than they were in Europe? Why have Muslims committed one percent of the wars and genocides that non-Muslims? You can keep sidestepping like a weasel and I will continue to repeat this.

Because they are dhimmis. If they slaughter the Jews in Iran, their economy would suffer.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 06:29:04 PM
Don't even answer Fuk Face, he doesn't deserve your response. It makes him feel important.   Just tell him to drop dead, if you're gonna tell him anything.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: RayRay on July 19, 2010, 06:34:18 PM
if they slaughter the Jews in Iran, their economy would suffer.

There are 20,000 Jews in Iran who are segregated from the Muslim population. There was a much higher percent of Jews in European nations that were vital to their economy and scientific progress yet they massacred them.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
if they slaughter the Jews in Iran, their economy would suffer.

There are 20,000 Jews in Iran who are segregated from the Muslim population. There was a much higher percent of Jews in European nations that were vital to their economy and scientific progress yet they massacred them.



Don't you ever get tired of trolling and getting owned every time you post?

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 06:50:12 PM


I don't care that Islam commands them to lie when their religion is in danger. I have no way of being sure that they lied to gallup when they asked them if violence is justified.


A Musilm is a one who follows the Islamic religion/idea, if he doesn't, he's no Muslim, what's so hard to get??

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But you claim that Muslims are the most evil.


Where did I say the Muslims are the most evil (they're evil war-mongering sub-human beasts, but they're not the only ones who are the most evil)?

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Why have Jews been treated much better in Iran than they were in Europe?

Jews had suffered pogroms, lynches, rapes, plundering and humiliation under Dhimmitude in Iran like in any other Muslim country. If not under a Muslim rule, then under a Secular rule such as under the Shah (the Muslims had freedom of religion there, so they practive their evil religion in a non-Caliphatic form).

The Al-Muwahidoon, the Rashidoon, the Ottomans, the Berbers, the lives under Dhimmitude are equal to the treatment of the Jews in Europe and in some cases even worse. After all, Hitler learned from the Muslims, not the opposite. Denying that is Holocaust denial.


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Why have Muslims committed one percent of the wars and genocides that non-Muslims? You can keep sidestepping like a weasel and I will continue to repeat this.

Yes, I know you repeat unsubstantiated lies.

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Blacks behave like that regardless of whether their religion is voodoo or Islam.

What a typical racist excuse. So Islam has nothing to do with that, their skin color does. What a Nazi racist filth.

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Massacres like these are one percent of the massacres that non-Muslims have committed. All of the massacres you listed amount to one to two million compared to hundreds of millions committed by communists and nationalists.

1.) You don't know math.
2.) You don't understand statistics.
3.) Let's say you're right, the Muslims have murdered much less than any other group, how would that make Muslims human?! What does evils of other groups have to do with the evils of the Muslims?!


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Saddam Hussein, Nasser, and the Young Turks were more nationalistic chauvinists than Muslims. Khomeini and the Taliban are real Muslims.

They were Muslim who practiced the Muslim principle of أمة العرب.

Again the Young Turks used Islamic arguments to justify their deeds, the Ottoman Empire was a Muslim nation (a Caliphate, to be exact), what's the problem with understanding it was ISLAM who committed that?



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You are wrong and you're too much of a liar to admit it. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world that have committed one percent of the world's genocides. Most of these genocides have been committed by Blacks and Arabs. The rest of the Muslim world is very peaceful compared to non-Muslims.

My points prove you wrong, you can't admit that, you lost. The Muslim world is genoidal because its religion is ISLAM, a genocidal religion. the Muslims of Pakistan murdered millions of Hindus, the Muslims of the Taliban murdered thousands+ etc. The examples are endless and you're too much of a coward to admit you're wrong.

You make up a statistic that all of us know that it's not historically fit.

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Common sense. Judaism is filled with fairy tale nonsense stories and it condones mistreatment of people.

That's your opinion.
Now give me an OBJECTIVE proof that Judaism is invented.

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Yeah sure. I put all the verses in context. I listed three or four verses before the ones that condone stoning women to death. The rabbis of the Talmud didn't like the cruelty of their religion so they "interpreted" the verses to mean anything other than what it clearly states to any honest person.

G-D gave us the Oral Law along with the Written Law so that the Rabbis could interpret it and rule Psikot Halacha. It's so obvious you don't know anything about Judaism.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
GayGay basically destroyed himself before I destroyed him (again).
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 06:54:39 PM
if they slaughter the Jews in Iran, their economy would suffer.

There are 20,000 Jews in Iran who are segregated from the Muslim population. There was a much higher percent of Jews in European nations that were vital to their economy and scientific progress yet they massacred them.



So the Muslims are smarter than some of the other Nazis (the Soviets used the Jews but murdered many of them physically, murdered almost all of them spiritually), so what, they're still Nazis.

The Jews are treated like less than garbage, like any other Jewish community that lives or lived under Dhimma.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Di Mott on July 19, 2010, 07:02:08 PM
So the Muslims are smarter than some of the other Nazis (the Soviets used the Jews but murdered many of them physically, murdered almost all of them spiritually), so what, they're still Nazis.

The Jews are treated like less than garbage, like any other Jewish community that lives or lived under Dhimma.

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and debate me there. The mods are afraid I will keep humiliating you so they banned me.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
So the Muslims are smarter than some of the other Nazis (the Soviets used the Jews but murdered many of them physically, murdered almost all of them spiritually), so what, they're still Nazis.

The Jews are treated like less than garbage, like any other Jewish community that lives or lived under Dhimma.

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and debate me there. The mods are afraid I will keep humiliating you so they banned me.

Hello, again Ralph. Back for some more?
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 07:08:34 PM
So the Muslims are smarter than some of the other Nazis (the Soviets used the Jews but murdered many of them physically, murdered almost all of them spiritually), so what, they're still Nazis.

The Jews are treated like less than garbage, like any other Jewish community that lives or lived under Dhimma.

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and debate me there. The mods are afraid I will keep humiliating you so they banned me.

Do you know what "الله في سماء, هتلر الأرض" means?
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on July 19, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
So the Muslims are smarter than some of the other Nazis (the Soviets used the Jews but murdered many of them physically, murdered almost all of them spiritually), so what, they're still Nazis.

The Jews are treated like less than garbage, like any other Jewish community that lives or lived under Dhimma.

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and debate me there. The mods are afraid I will keep humiliating you so they banned me.

Hello, again Ralph. Back for some more?

I think he's a Masochist he just loves the way I fuk him  ;D
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Sicarii on July 19, 2010, 07:21:49 PM
I think he's a Masochist he just loves the way I fuk him  ;D

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and watch me tear you a new a.sshole. If I don't see you there then you're a coward. You can only debate by having the advantage of having your opponents on your forum.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 07:25:05 PM
I think he's a Masochist he just loves the way I fuk him  ;D

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and watch me tear you a new a.sshole. If I don't see you there then you're a coward. You can only debate by having the advantage of having your opponents on your forum.

You already lost... Why should anyone play your sick and demented games. You cannot disprove Judaisms authenticity... Many have tried and all have failed.. You are really a mental case and should get some help, or maybe blow yourself up for your sick cause. I say let all muslims kill themselves, it will save us the time having to kill them...

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Sicarii on July 19, 2010, 07:27:05 PM


You already lost... Why should anyone play your sick and demented games. You cannot disprove Judaisms authenticity... Many have tried and all have failed.. You are really a mental case and should get some help, or maybe blow yourself up for your sick cause. I say let all muslims kill themselves, it will save us the time having to kill them...



Your whole argument is based on sidestepping like a weasel. I show Judaism is flawed and you make [censored] up that "owe the rabbis reformed those verse in the talmud." I've dealth with weasels like you on arguewitheveryone.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Sicarii on July 19, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
it will save us the time having to kill them...



I thought that Judaism doesn't condone genocide?
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: muman613 on July 19, 2010, 07:36:29 PM
it will save us the time having to kill them...



I thought that Judaism doesn't condone genocide?

Judaism certainly condones killing those who rise to kill the Jewish people. The Talmud clearly says "Whoever rises to kill you, you must rise earlier and kill them first"...

The Muslim/Arabs have been killing Jews ever since the pervert Mohamud opened his sick little donkey-mouth... And they will certainly meet a fate worse than death... And I have a feeling you will be one of the ones who ends up being exterminated.

Also your complaint against Rabbis is completely baseless. The Torah clearly says that the Rabbis are the ones who decide Halachic issues. The Torah does not contain all the laws, many can only be learned by the Oral law... But you are so sick you will forever argue without knowing...

Go away and have a [censored] day..

Title: Re: Muslims are peaceful
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 19, 2010, 07:39:37 PM
Hey Ralph, why not tell me what taqqiyah is?

Taqqiyah was first practiced by Shiites when Sunnis were "oppressing" them. They did it to protect themselves and their religion. Scumbags like Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists will not lie to you if you ask them about killing Jews. They'll openly admit it. Fanatical Muslims are honest about killing infidels.
So you've admitted that you are Ralph?
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 07:40:29 PM
Isn't this the creep that was calling Jews "oven magnets?"  You know... Ray Ray, Di mott, and whatever else he calls himself.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Sicarii on July 19, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
Keep sidestepping. Nothing changes the fact that the torah has evil verses.

The only reason why you ban your opponents is because you're afraid of them. Come out of your niche and go to arguewitheveryone.com. There is no censorship there.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 19, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Isn't this the creep that was calling Jews "oven magnets?"  You know... Ray Ray, Di mott, and whatever else he calls himself.


Ralph.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Aces High on July 19, 2010, 07:43:58 PM
Isn't this the creep that was calling Jews "oven magnets?"  You know... Ray Ray, Di mott, and whatever else he calls himself.


Ralph.

Yeah, a total pathetic loser
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Sicarii on July 19, 2010, 07:46:29 PM
Keep bagging those groceries c.ockfan. You have a promising future.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 19, 2010, 08:03:53 PM
Keep bagging those groceries c.ockfan. You have a promising future.
Get over it, this forum isn't about you. We don't need to hear you constantly speak about yourself.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 19, 2010, 08:22:24 PM
Keep bagging those groceries c.ockfan. You have a promising future.

You will be banned soon.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: mord on July 20, 2010, 05:22:07 AM
I think he's a Masochist he just loves the way I fuk him  ;D

Go to arguewitheveryone.com and watch me tear you a new a.sshole. If I don't see you there then you're a coward. You can only debate by having the advantage of having your opponents on your forum.
Can't you at least post a link?
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on July 20, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
I seem to recall the original title of this thread was 'Muslims are peaceful'.

Now it's been changed to 'non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims'.

Why was the title changed and who changed it ?

I suspect that it was changed by RayRay or whatever screen name the douchenozzle is currently using.

Obviously, Muslims aren't peaceful.

One has to be astoundingly ignorant, completely oblivious to world events, or an Islamophile in total denial mode to make an assinine statement like 'Muslims are peaceful'.

Apparently, even the douchenozzle realizes Muslims aren't peaceful, so he's moved the goal posts.

Now it's 'Muslims have been less genocidal'.

Nice retreat, assclown.

In the here and now, Muslims are perpetrating the most genocide and are the least peaceful people on the planet.

Of course, when one starts a thread with the ridiculous claim that Muslims are peaceful and bases this mainly on the results of a Gallup poll - instead of acknowledging the daily rampage of bombings, murder and terror we're all too familiar with - then that person should seek immediate psychiatric help.

Once he's completely cured of his 'Muslims are peaceful' delusion perhaps the 'shrinks' can start working on his multiple screen name disorder.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Alpha on July 20, 2010, 09:09:44 PM
In the here and now, Muslims are perpetrating the most genocide and are the least peaceful people on the planet.

What has happened in the past few decades is irrelevant when considering that in the past 1,400 years Europeans, Africans, and East Asians have started far more wars and committed far more genocides than Muslims have. The Muslims were the victims of crusades, mongol and Turk invasions, and colonialism. It has been only in modern times that the Muslims are currently going through a dark age while Europeans have become civilized. All people have had their dark ages and golden ages but overall non-Muslims have been much more murderous, cruel, sadistic, and hegemonic, and rapacious and the total tally is all that counts.

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the ridiculous claim that Muslims are peaceful and bases this mainly on the results of a Gallup poll

It does matter that 93% of Muslims opposed 9/11 because it proves that you lied. According to you liars all Muslims want to kill infidels because their religion commands it yet only 7% of Muslims approved of 9/11 and all of them approve of it on political grounds, not religious grounds. There wasn’t even one Muslim that justified 9/11 because of Islam. Of course you’ll claim without any proof that the Muslims lied to the pollsters. This was the perfect poll for refuting your lies.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Ulli on July 20, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
What a nonesense Alpha.

All Muslim terrorists justify their crimes with the religion. They say it openly and freely.

But Alpha you knew better than the terrorists themselves.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 21, 2010, 03:47:55 AM
In the here and now, Muslims are perpetrating the most genocide and are the least peaceful people on the planet.

What has happened in the past few decades is irrelevant when considering that in the past 1,400 years Europeans, Africans, and East Asians have started far more wars and committed far more genocides than Muslims have. The Muslims were the victims of crusades, mongol and Turk invasions, and colonialism. It has been only in modern times that the Muslims are currently going through a dark age while Europeans have become civilized. All people have had their dark ages and golden ages but overall non-Muslims have been much more murderous, cruel, sadistic, and hegemonic, and rapacious and the total tally is all that counts.

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the ridiculous claim that Muslims are peaceful and bases this mainly on the results of a Gallup poll

It does matter that 93% of Muslims opposed 9/11 because it proves that you lied. According to you liars all Muslims want to kill infidels because their religion commands it yet only 7% of Muslims approved of 9/11 and all of them approve of it on political grounds, not religious grounds. There wasn’t even one Muslim that justified 9/11 because of Islam. Of course you’ll claim without any proof that the Muslims lied to the pollsters. This was the perfect poll for refuting your lies.
So you want to do nothing after every attack? You want to sit back while the Jihad runs wild? Fine you do that. We at JTF don't want to be killed by them, so THAT'S why we want to DEFEND ourselves.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on July 21, 2010, 04:37:01 AM

What has happened in the past few decades is irrelevant when considering that in the past 1,400 years Europeans, Africans, and East Asians have started far more wars and committed far more genocides than Muslims have.

Anyone that thinks the most recent Koranimal wave of terror and genocide is 'irrelevant' because of wars and genocides that occurred previously is out of his freaking mind.

Of course, if YOU were killed in a Koranimal attack, it would be irrelevant.

No, strike that.

That wouldn't be irrelevant, it would be a good thing !

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: HiWarp on July 21, 2010, 05:23:35 AM
What has happened in the past few decades is irrelevant when considering that in the past 1,400 years Europeans, Africans, and East Asians have started far more wars and committed far more genocides than Muslims have.

WRONG! What happened in the past 1,400 years, although not irrelevant, is history. It should be studied and understood but it should not be used as a baseline for justification of others' present day behavior. Regardless of the wars that non-muslims started and fought in the past, do you deny that muslims today are the perpetrators of most of the violence in the entire world? If you continue to state that it is only 7% of muslims and that 93% are peaceful, friendly, and fun-loving then I ask you what do you suggest be done about the 7%? Continuously stating that only 7% of muslims are violent and that, in the past, Europeans and Asians were more violent does not address the daily violence perpetuated by muslims today. So what do you do about the violent muslims who, according to your estimates, comprise only about 110 million people?
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Alpha on July 21, 2010, 06:05:03 AM

WRONG! What happened in the past 1,400 years, although not irrelevant, is history. It should be studied and understood but it should not be used as a baseline for justification of others' present day behavior. Regardless of the wars that non-muslims started and fought in the past, do you deny that muslims today are the perpetrators of most of the violence in the entire world? If you continue to state that it is only 7% of muslims and that 93% are peaceful, friendly, and fun-loving then I ask you what do you suggest be done about the 7%? Continuously stating that only 7% of muslims are violent and that, in the past, Europeans and Asians were more violent does not address the daily violence perpetuated by muslims today. So what do you do about the violent muslims who, according to your estimates, comprise only about 110 million people?

Every time I or anyone else win a debate your admins/mods ban me with the baloney excuse that I posted porn or that I'm a guy named Ralph. From now on I'm going to try to restrict my comments to your cult leader and I will occasionally make threads. 
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 21, 2010, 06:08:14 AM

WRONG! What happened in the past 1,400 years, although not irrelevant, is history. It should be studied and understood but it should not be used as a baseline for justification of others' present day behavior. Regardless of the wars that non-muslims started and fought in the past, do you deny that muslims today are the perpetrators of most of the violence in the entire world? If you continue to state that it is only 7% of muslims and that 93% are peaceful, friendly, and fun-loving then I ask you what do you suggest be done about the 7%? Continuously stating that only 7% of muslims are violent and that, in the past, Europeans and Asians were more violent does not address the daily violence perpetuated by muslims today. So what do you do about the violent muslims who, according to your estimates, comprise only about 110 million people?

Every time I or anyone else win a debate your admins/mods ban me with the baloney excuse that I posted porn or that I'm a guy named Ralph. From now on I'm going to try to restrict my comments to your cult leader and I will occasionally make threads. 

Again more of your nonsense. If Islam is so peaceful, then tell me why almost all of the recent terrorist attacks have been carried out by Muslims.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: HiWarp on July 21, 2010, 06:58:20 AM

WRONG! What happened in the past 1,400 years, although not irrelevant, is history. It should be studied and understood but it should not be used as a baseline for justification of others' present day behavior. Regardless of the wars that non-muslims started and fought in the past, do you deny that muslims today are the perpetrators of most of the violence in the entire world? If you continue to state that it is only 7% of muslims and that 93% are peaceful, friendly, and fun-loving then I ask you what do you suggest be done about the 7%? Continuously stating that only 7% of muslims are violent and that, in the past, Europeans and Asians were more violent does not address the daily violence perpetuated by muslims today. So what do you do about the violent muslims who, according to your estimates, comprise only about 110 million people?

Every time I or anyone else win a debate your admins/mods ban me with the baloney excuse that I posted porn or that I'm a guy named Ralph. From now on I'm going to try to restrict my comments to your cult leader and I will occasionally make threads. 

I am not an admin or moderator. I cannot ban you. I seriously doubt that if you offer a logical and practical answer to my question above that you will be banned.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Alpha on July 21, 2010, 08:01:00 AM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/527370952_567cc3cecf.jpg)
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: HiWarp on July 21, 2010, 10:05:15 AM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/527370952_567cc3cecf.jpg)

Thanks for the logical and practical answer to my question. I guess you can chalk up one more debate win for yourself.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 21, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/527370952_567cc3cecf.jpg)

Thank you for that lovely picture of a Muzzie and his girlfriend. BTW, the camel is better-looking.

Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Yaakov Mendel on July 21, 2010, 10:23:40 AM
Thank you for that lovely picture of a Muzzie and his girlfriend. BTW, the camel is better-looking.

 :laugh: :laugh: :::D :::D

Guys, tell me this "Alpha" is one of your friends making jokes...Nobody can be that retarded...
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: TruthSpreader on July 21, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Thank you for that lovely picture of a Muzzie and his girlfriend. BTW, the camel is better-looking.

 :laugh: :laugh: :::D :::D

Guys, tell me this "Alpha" is one of your friends making jokes...Nobody can be that retarded...


He certainly isn't one of my "friends." He must be a camelraper himself.
Title: Re: non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 21, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
only 7% of Muslims approved of 9/11 and all of them approve of it on political grounds, not religious grounds. There wasn’t even one Muslim that justified 9/11 because of Islam.


 :o ???

They approve of 9/11 "on political grounds?"  They support the murder of 3000 innocent Americans "on political grounds?"  What the hell does that mean?

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There wasn’t even one Muslim that justified 9/11 because of Islam.

Yeah, right, there wasn't one.   ::)   LOL, you'll believe anything.

Even if this poll were true, and the numbers were reliable, and the 7% was based on "political grounds" - You don't think their "political views" are informed by allegiance to Islam?   Give me a break.