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http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=182113
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Arabs are disgusting people.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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Was the guy so desperate that he changed his religion to have sex?
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Was it the hunger of an Arab guy to have sex with a jewish girl?
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
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Was the guy so desperate that he changed his religion to have sex?
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Was it the hunger of an Arab guy to have sex with a jewish girl?
Doesn't take a genius to know that, about 60 percent of comments on my youtube videos , it's Arabs saying how much they want to rape Jewish women, they are perverted beasts.
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Personally, since it was consenual, I don't think the Arab should have been charged with rape. That being said, it was wrong of him to lie to her, but men lie to women all the time to get sex.
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OY >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
On the contrary, the one thing she did right was filing the complain to the police.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
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Personally, since it was consenual, I don't think the Arab should have been charged with rape. That being said, it was wrong of him to lie to her, but men lie to women all the time to get sex.
Well put, of course women lie to men in order to get what they want also. How many women stop being as nice to their men after the wedding?
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
I think it's better this way since instead of 2 Jews acting like whores and getting a sin each, only one Jew did that.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
Wow buddy, you need to relax, I didn't say "you should be," I was suggesting you think about it, that's all. I never said "I would prosecute you." Stop getting irrational and defensive.
My point was to get you to think about your behavior irregardless of what the law says, and consider a cessation to misleading women for the purpose of sexual gratification. I think the world is a better place when there is less of deception-for-the-sake-of-sex happening, but hey thank G-d right, people are able to choose their own way. I think you should think about your choice and consider ethics. Just my two cents, not a plea for authoritarian govt or the boogeyman either.
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
No, what made it "rape" in her mind is that she was deceived into having sexual relations on false pretenses. Maybe that's not "rape" per se, but maybe it is wrong! Indeed, I suggest it is wrong.
You say she wanted to have premarital sex with a Jew. Well, that may not be exactly "kosher," but does she not have a right to make that choice and to limit herself to just with a Jew and not with an Arab pretending to be one so he can "get some?" Or with some other faker who is lying in order to get in bed with her. Sounds pretty debatable to me, not open and shut "the woman is wrong" like you suggest. I think what is behind that is you are trying to defend the behavior of deceiving a woman into sexual relations. Personally I think that's immoral and slimy. I obviously don't promote or agree with sexual relations outside of marriage, but a man can engage in that without deceiving people like a two-bit con-artist. I think the deception makes it more immoral and also reflects obvious weakness on his part like any time someone has to lie.
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What if the arab pretended to be a Jew, convinced her to eat a Ham sandwich while driving on Shabbat.... Then had sex out of wedlock... What would the aveirah be then?
BTW, the arab scum was already married... Thus there is also the issue of adultery...
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
No, what made it "rape" in her mind is that she was deceived into having sexual relations on false pretenses. Maybe that's not "rape" per se, but maybe it is wrong! Indeed, I suggest it is wrong.
You say she wanted to have premarital sex with a Jew. Well, that may not be exactly "kosher," but does she not have a right to make that choice and to limit herself to just with a Jew and not with an Arab pretending to be one so he can "get some?" Or with some other faker who is lying in order to get in bed with her. Sounds pretty debatable to me, not open and shut "the woman is wrong" like you suggest. I think what is behind that is you are trying to defend the behavior of deceiving a woman into sexual relations. Personally I think that's immoral and slimy. I obviously don't promote or agree with sexual relations outside of marriage, but a man can engage in that without deceiving people like a two-bit con-artist. I think the deception makes it more immoral and also reflects obvious weakness on his part like any time someone has to lie.
This has nothing to do with him. He's an Arab, all Arabs are filth and nothing can make them worse. It's the fact that she sinned in the first place and it's better 1 Jew do that than 2 Jews. She was wrong for acting promiscuously, at least now she's not dragging another Jew down with her.
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What if the arab pretended to be a Jew, convinced her to eat a Ham sandwich while driving on Shabbat.... Then had sex out of wedlock... What would the aveirah be then?
BTW, the arab scum was already married... Thus there is also the issue of adultery...
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What if the arab pretended to be a Jew, convinced her to eat a Ham sandwich while driving on Shabbat.... Then had sex out of wedlock... What would the aveirah be then?
BTW, the arab scum was already married... Thus there is also the issue of adultery...
For all we know it all happened on Tisha Bav
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
No, what made it "rape" in her mind is that she was deceived into having sexual relations on false pretenses. Maybe that's not "rape" per se, but maybe it is wrong! Indeed, I suggest it is wrong.
You say she wanted to have premarital sex with a Jew. Well, that may not be exactly "kosher," but does she not have a right to make that choice and to limit herself to just with a Jew and not with an Arab pretending to be one so he can "get some?" Or with some other faker who is lying in order to get in bed with her. Sounds pretty debatable to me, not open and shut "the woman is wrong" like you suggest. I think what is behind that is you are trying to defend the behavior of deceiving a woman into sexual relations. Personally I think that's immoral and slimy. I obviously don't promote or agree with sexual relations outside of marriage, but a man can engage in that without deceiving people like a two-bit con-artist. I think the deception makes it more immoral and also reflects obvious weakness on his part like any time someone has to lie.
This has nothing to do with him. He's an Arab, all Arabs are filth and nothing can make them worse. It's the fact that she sinned in the first place and it's better 1 Jew do that than 2 Jews. She was wrong for acting promiscuously, at least now she's not dragging another Jew down with her.
Yeah but I was relating this case to Jews and goyim in general in a theoretical sense, speaking about ethics.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
Wow buddy, you need to relax, I didn't say "you should be," I was suggesting you think about it, that's all. I never said "I would prosecute you." Stop getting irrational and defensive.
My point was to get you to think about your behavior irregardless of what the law says, and consider a cessation to misleading women for the purpose of sexual gratification. I think the world is a better place when there is less of deception-for-the-sake-of-sex happening, but hey thank G-d right, people are able to choose their own way. I think you should think about your choice and consider ethics. Just my two cents, not a plea for authoritarian govt or the boogeyman either.
Maybe you should jump off a bridge tonight. Just food for thought. Not saying you should do it. Nothing to get up tight about. Ok buddy?
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
No, what made it "rape" in her mind is that she was deceived into having sexual relations on false pretenses. Maybe that's not "rape" per se, but maybe it is wrong! Indeed, I suggest it is wrong.
You say she wanted to have premarital sex with a Jew. Well, that may not be exactly "kosher," but does she not have a right to make that choice and to limit herself to just with a Jew and not with an Arab pretending to be one so he can "get some?" Or with some other faker who is lying in order to get in bed with her. Sounds pretty debatable to me, not open and shut "the woman is wrong" like you suggest. I think what is behind that is you are trying to defend the behavior of deceiving a woman into sexual relations. Personally I think that's immoral and slimy. I obviously don't promote or agree with sexual relations outside of marriage, but a man can engage in that without deceiving people like a two-bit con-artist. I think the deception makes it more immoral and also reflects obvious weakness on his part like any time someone has to lie.
This has nothing to do with him. He's an Arab, all Arabs are filth and nothing can make them worse. It's the fact that she sinned in the first place and it's better 1 Jew do that than 2 Jews. She was wrong for acting promiscuously, at least now she's not dragging another Jew down with her.
Yeah but I was relating this case to Jews and goyim in general in a theoretical sense, speaking about ethics.
Goyim could do whatever they want.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
Wow buddy, you need to relax, I didn't say "you should be," I was suggesting you think about it, that's all. I never said "I would prosecute you." Stop getting irrational and defensive.
My point was to get you to think about your behavior irregardless of what the law says, and consider a cessation to misleading women for the purpose of sexual gratification. I think the world is a better place when there is less of deception-for-the-sake-of-sex happening, but hey thank G-d right, people are able to choose their own way. I think you should think about your choice and consider ethics. Just my two cents, not a plea for authoritarian govt or the boogeyman either.
Maybe you should jump off a bridge tonight. Just food for thought. Not saying you should do it. Nothing to get up tight about. Ok buddy?
Wow, you're really defensive. You must know deep down that deceiving women in order to have sex with them is wrong, (deep down you agree with me) otherwise you wouldn't react this way.
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
No, what made it "rape" in her mind is that she was deceived into having sexual relations on false pretenses. Maybe that's not "rape" per se, but maybe it is wrong! Indeed, I suggest it is wrong.
You say she wanted to have premarital sex with a Jew. Well, that may not be exactly "kosher," but does she not have a right to make that choice and to limit herself to just with a Jew and not with an Arab pretending to be one so he can "get some?" Or with some other faker who is lying in order to get in bed with her. Sounds pretty debatable to me, not open and shut "the woman is wrong" like you suggest. I think what is behind that is you are trying to defend the behavior of deceiving a woman into sexual relations. Personally I think that's immoral and slimy. I obviously don't promote or agree with sexual relations outside of marriage, but a man can engage in that without deceiving people like a two-bit con-artist. I think the deception makes it more immoral and also reflects obvious weakness on his part like any time someone has to lie.
This has nothing to do with him. He's an Arab, all Arabs are filth and nothing can make them worse. It's the fact that she sinned in the first place and it's better 1 Jew do that than 2 Jews. She was wrong for acting promiscuously, at least now she's not dragging another Jew down with her.
Yeah but I was relating this case to Jews and goyim in general in a theoretical sense, speaking about ethics.
Goyim could do whatever they want.
That's not true, they have 7 laws of Noah... That means they have ethical requirements.
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Wow, you're really defensive. You must know deep down that deceiving women in order to have sex with them is wrong, (deep down you agree with me) otherwise you wouldn't react this way.<<
No it is your casual observation that perhaps I should have been prosecuted. You are right in the sense that I should not take it seriously and actually I don't. However, there is a disturbing trend among some people to want to criminalize what they deem as wrong, even if there is no law against it. Just like liberals want to put people fighting the war on terror in prison if they did not fight the war as if they are playing a game of Tiddly Winks or even Rudy Guiliani who put a bunch of Wall Street people into prison until appeals courts decided there was no law against what the Wall Streeters had done.
In terms of deceptions that was very minor although I did feel a need to confess it to her. At first she said it would not have changed her mind, then laughed and said it might have. Whatever ups and downs occured between us that was never a big issue. As a rule I do believe in full disclosure in all kinds of dealings between people whether romantic, financial etc.
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Two pieces of excrement, but in this case I think the Jewish girl is worse.
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Two pieces of excrement, but in this case I think the Jewish girl is worse.
I have to agree with you there. We had some expectations for her.
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Wow, you're really defensive. You must know deep down that deceiving women in order to have sex with them is wrong, (deep down you agree with me) otherwise you wouldn't react this way.
I agree with almost all of what you type but I think what this girl did is worse. Men, particularly subhuman slime like the cockroaches Arabs are, can all be expected to stop at nothing to get women in the sack. (No, I am not saying it is right at all, but it is male human nature and society tolerates it.) This woman--a Jewish woman and therefore a member of the nation of priests--could of and should have known better and controlled herself better. Most of the time the female sex drive is a lot lower than the male. Women should be able to think more clearly and make more moral decisions.
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Wow, you're really defensive. You must know deep down that deceiving women in order to have sex with them is wrong, (deep down you agree with me) otherwise you wouldn't react this way.
I agree with almost all of what you type but I think what this girl did is worse. Men, particularly subhuman slime like the cockroaches Arabs are, can all be expected to stop at nothing to get women in the sack. (No, I am not saying it is right at all, but it is male human nature and society tolerates it.) This woman--a Jewish woman and therefore a member of the nation of priests--could of and should have known better and controlled herself better. Most of the time the female sex drive is a lot lower than the male. Women should be able to think more clearly and make more moral decisions.
I will not agree with you that women necessarily have a lower 'sex-drive' than men.... I don't want to relate the story but I have experience with women who really wanted it with me...
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You don't need to go into any details Muman but what I said is generally true. There are a few women with a male-level libido but they are really pretty rare, in all cultures. Most women just don't have the hormonal mix that creates that. Most women can probably have a very high sex drive for short periods but it's just that--short periods. They take more to get them "into the mood" and also their desire level fluctuates a lot depending on what time of the month it is. Also, don't forget that for the vast majority of women, sex is an emotional experience more than it is physical. No, I am not sexually active, but I do have both male and female friends, some of whom are married, and I have researched this topic quite a bit.
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You don't need to go into any details Muman but what I said is generally true. There are a few women with a male-level libido but they are really pretty rare, in all cultures. Most women just don't have the hormonal mix that creates that. Most women can probably have a very high sex drive for short periods but it's just that--short periods. They take more to get them "into the mood" and also their desire level fluctuates a lot depending on what time of the month it is. Also, don't forget that for the vast majority of women, sex is an emotional experience more than it is physical. No, I am not sexually active, but I do have both male and female friends, some of whom are married, and I have researched this topic quite a bit.
All Muslim women have high sex drive because the Muslim men can't satisfy them ;D
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All Muslim women have high sex drive because the Muslim men can't satisfy them ;D
How can they have a sex drive when they lack clitorises?
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You don't need to go into any details Muman but
lol, yes please don't... ;D
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You don't need to go into any details Muman but
lol, yes please don't... ;D
I absolutely have no intention of doing so, because of modesty...
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I absolutely have no intention of doing so, because of modesty...
Good choice but my point still stands. I would be surprised if 1% of women, from any culture or background, are capable of sustained arousal irrespective of specific, situational factors the way most healthy males are. I do not want to perpetuate a sexual double standard but I think that the world's predominant cultural standard on the matter is based on some biology--it is simply easier for women to control their sex drives. The Arab guy is a sleazeball but I don't think what he did was near what the Jewish girl did. It is like comparing a horny teenage boy who puts the moves on a girl he likes in class with a homosexual who frequents mens' saunas for sex with multiple strange partners. Both are wrong, but one is a whole order of magnitude worse.
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Zelhar,
You know I think you are great. I can't see your point here. She went to the police because of a moral outrage?? I mean I'm smiling. Her moral outrage was not getting a shidduch from a match that would have ever led to one..were he a Jew. There is something very wrong with this woman, her reasoning, her logic, her sense of what's right...all very much off
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There is something very wrong with this woman, her reasoning, her logic, her sense of what's right...all very much off
Gee, you think? LOL
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I absolutely have no intention of doing so, because of modesty...
Good choice but my point still stands. I would be surprised if 1% of women, from any culture or background, are capable of sustained arousal irrespective of specific, situational factors the way most healthy males are. I do not want to perpetuate a sexual double standard but I think that the world's predominant cultural standard on the matter is based on some biology--it is simply easier for women to control their sex drives. The Arab guy is a sleazeball but I don't think what he did was near what the Jewish girl did. It is like comparing a horny teenage boy who puts the moves on a girl he likes in class with a homosexual who frequents mens' saunas for sex with multiple strange partners. Both are wrong, but one is a whole order of magnitude worse.
So you are saying its worse for an unmarried woman to have sex with a man out of marriage, than it is for a married man to violate his marriage?
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So you are saying its worse for an unmarried woman to have sex with a man out of marriage, than it is for a married man to violate his marriage?
Adultery is not just a sexual sin, it's a sin of betrayal/violation/lying, so they aren't quite identical. Purely in terms of sexual sin I think that the former requires more moral perversion than the latter just given how men are. I am not defending the man at all, I just think the girl was worse in this case, especially because she had the nerve to go cry to the court system after she got "buyer's remorse".
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There is something very wrong with this woman, her reasoning, her logic, her sense of what's right...all very much off
Gee, you think? LOL
Hi Dr. BrennanFan,
I was responding to a forum member who thought that the one 'right' thing she did was call the police. I think that she should have kept her mouth shut and said to herself, "I'm human, I messed up, something is wrong with me for screwing someone I just met and thinking he will give me anything other than a baby or a sexually transmitted infection." I mean her arrogance is what's most peculiar, her sense of entitlement to be vindicated when she chose of her own free will to have sex with a stranger. If she asked him if he had an STI and he lied, and say gave her gonorrhea, then she would have every reason to sue, but to expect marriage from a casual fu*k, no that's not only naive, but outrageous that she expects a court to uphold her right to be stupid.
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I know you were. I was not trying to be sarcastic at you, but at the situation itself. This woman has a whole lot of nerve/chutzpah, as has already been stated.
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this kind of thing is common in Israel..Arabs posing as Jews. Theres 100's of cases just like this all the time, only the arabs get away with it. Good that the law punishes the ones that get caught!
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I don't know that women have less of a sex drive, just that they need to suppress it more. They are much more likely to see sex as an emotional experience than a physical experience, they are culturally trained to not just jump into bed with any Tom, Dick or Harry, and they are the ones who have to worry about getting pregnant. So it is much easier for them to suppress their sex drive. Societal attitudes have changed, pregnancy is much more controllable and so women now are doing less self restraint when it comes to sex. Still men are the sexual aggressors in most cases.
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I have to side with her parents.
They went out of their way to provide their adolescent Jewish daughter with birth control pills, "the day after" pill, female condoms, lubricating jelly, and even a special "lady's condom carrier" to keep in her purse at all times, "just in case".
They recommended that she go out into the world and use her vagina for pleasure and enjoyment, as well as for the ideal business networking tool.
And then what happened?!
Some filthy disgusting A-rab came along and HE enjoyed the vagina!
Can you imagine the nerve of that swine?
HE couldn't give her a good office job in Tel-Aviv!
He just came along and enjoyed a vagina as if life held no consequences!
This is why I side with the parents who demanded that the A-rab be imprisoned for life!
Jews worldwide should now hope and pray that the young Jewish girl will somehow, someway, become empowered , to forget her terrible trauma, and move on -- never looking back!
And, with the proper professional counseling from a mental health specialist, she can again return to a lifetime of vaginal enjoyment.
See? This is proof that A-rabs ain't got no values!
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I have to side with her parents.
They went out of their way to provide their adolescent Jewish daughter with birth control pills, "the day after" pill, female condoms, lubricating jelly, and even a special "lady's condom carrier" to keep in her purse at all times, "just in case".
They recommended that she go out into the world and use her vagina for pleasure and enjoyment, as well as for the ideal business networking tool.
And then what happened?!
Some filthy disgusting A-rab came along and HE enjoyed the vagina!
Can you imagine the nerve of that swine?
HE couldn't give her a good office job in Tel-Aviv!
He just came along and enjoyed a vagina as if life held no consequences!
This is why I side with the parents who demanded that the A-rab be imprisoned for life!
:::D :::D
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Societal attitudes have changed, pregnancy is much more controllable and so women now are doing less self restraint when it comes to sex. Still men are the sexual aggressors in most cases.
Most women who are "sluts" or "skanks" are women who have very low self-esteem and feel their biggest asset is their ability to turn men on at will. They are desperate for any kind of attention, negative or otherwise. They are very rarely genuine "horn dogs" in and of themselves.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
Violate laws that do not exist ? If the girl had lodged a compliant then in practically any country it would have been considered rape and charged as such. Get it straight. Consent through false pretenses is a criminal offence in every democratic country (even in India, nothing to do with Jewish/Israeli laws).
So if any of you guys are lying to get laid, I strongly suggest you stop immediately because if the girl complains to the police you will be up $hit creek without a paddle.
Some reading material for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_rape
Section 265(3)
Consent
(3) For the purposes of this section, no consent is obtained where the complainant submits or does not resist by reason of (a) the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant; (b) threats or fear of the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant; (c) fraud; or (d) the exercise of authority.
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Two pieces of excrement, but in this case I think the Jewish girl is worse.
You think that the girl who conceded to a first date sex is worse than the scumbag who seduced her ?
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Zelhar,
You know I think you are great. I can't see your point here. She went to the police because of a moral outrage?? I mean I'm smiling. Her moral outrage was not getting a shidduch from a match that would have ever led to one..were he a Jew. There is something very wrong with this woman, her reasoning, her logic, her sense of what's right...all very much off
You don't understand this correctly. She was desperate, He just wanted to exploit here. She made a mistake, He perpetrated a crime. I think she made an excellent choice by pressing charge against the Arab slime.
It's not a unique situation. Arabs have been doing this for a long time. I don't means for just one time seduction, they have been using it to snatch Jewish women and make them their slaves. Virtually in every testimony of a Jewish women seduced into marrying an Arab is mentioned how the Arab falsely presented himself as a nice guy, successful, and initially- as Jew or at least as non-Arab. Speaking in Hebrew and not a word in Arabic. As soon as the woman come home with him to his village, she is virtually a treated as a slave by him and his family.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
Violate laws that do not exist ? If the girl had lodged a compliant then in practically any country it would have been considered rape and charged as such. Get it straight. Consent through false pretenses is a criminal offence in every democratic country (even in India, nothing to do with Jewish/Israeli laws).
So if any of you guys are lying to get laid, I strongly suggest you stop immediately because if the girl complains to the police you will be up $hit creek without a paddle.
Some reading material for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_rape
Section 265(3)
Consent
(3) For the purposes of this section, no consent is obtained where the complainant submits or does not resist by reason of (a) the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant; (b) threats or fear of the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant; (c) fraud; or (d) the exercise of authority.
Wow, good points, Hindu Zionist.
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It's not a unique situation. Arabs have been doing this for a long time. I don't means for just one time seduction, they have been using it to snatch Jewish women and make them their slaves.
Yes, we all know that, but this is not a classic example of this. It is one thing if a woman is deceived via taqqiyah into having a relationship with an Arab, but quite another if she is looking for a quickie casual encounter. This woman didn't want any kind of relationship. She was just looking to get laid. If it was indeed a Jewish man and not an Arab she thought she was screwing, it would have made no difference at all.
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Hang the Arab - case finished.
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Re: "You think that the girl who conceded to a first date sex is worse than the scumbag who seduced her ? "
Absolutely.
She should have put out before the first date.
That way, the A-rab would've known in advance what he was getting into, and could've made a sound decision whether or not he wanted to spend any money on her by taking her on a date!
;D
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She should have put out before the first date.
Don't joke around about that, there are lots of women who do exactly that.
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Court testimony further reveals:
The young girl is completely innocent !
She was duped into having sex because the A-rab told her that he was Pee-Wee Herman and promised to take her to Hollywood and 'put her in the movies'!
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Re: "...I don't know that women have less of a sex drive, just that they need to suppress it more. They are much more likely to see sex as an emotional experience than a physical experience, they are culturally trained to not just jump into bed with any Tom, Dick or Harry, and they are the ones who have to worry about getting pregnant. So it is much easier for them to suppress their sex drive... "
Question: How do you get a Jewish girl to stop having sex?
Answer: Marry her!
:P
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Re: "Don't joke around about that, there are lots of women who do exactly that. "
And I hope that you don't have anything to do with any of them.
Unless, of course, they've first attached some photos of their genitals to a text message and sent it to you by cell phone.
;D
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You guys are the missing the point. She acted like a total whore, committed a sin, and is now looked at as the VICTIM? I'm sorry, premarital sex is an aveira, and maybe next time she won't act like a such a slut.
As for the guy, it doesn't change how I feel about Arabs. I can't hate them any more then I already do, so it makes no difference if one of them kills, rapes, lies, steals, breathes, farts, or blinks. I want Hashem to punish them just as much as I did before reading the story.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. She would have been perfectly happy to have casual sex with a Jew or maybe some other non Arab. It became rape, in her mind, when she found out the man she consented to have casual sex with was an Arab. Having casual sex with a Jew would hardly be virtuous. I can understand her being upset by the fact that she was deceived but that hardly makes it rape.
No, what made it "rape" in her mind is that she was deceived into having sexual relations on false pretenses. Maybe that's not "rape" per se, but maybe it is wrong! Indeed, I suggest it is wrong.
You say she wanted to have premarital sex with a Jew. Well, that may not be exactly "kosher," but does she not have a right to make that choice and to limit herself to just with a Jew and not with an Arab pretending to be one so he can "get some?" Or with some other faker who is lying in order to get in bed with her. Sounds pretty debatable to me, not open and shut "the woman is wrong" like you suggest. I think what is behind that is you are trying to defend the behavior of deceiving a woman into sexual relations. Personally I think that's immoral and slimy. I obviously don't promote or agree with sexual relations outside of marriage, but a man can engage in that without deceiving people like a two-bit con-artist. I think the deception makes it more immoral and also reflects obvious weakness on his part like any time someone has to lie.
This has nothing to do with him. He's an Arab, all Arabs are filth and nothing can make them worse. It's the fact that she sinned in the first place and it's better 1 Jew do that than 2 Jews. She was wrong for acting promiscuously, at least now she's not dragging another Jew down with her.
Yeah but I was relating this case to Jews and goyim in general in a theoretical sense, speaking about ethics.
Goyim could do whatever they want.
That's not true, they have 7 laws of Noah... That means they have ethical requirements.
No, no, I mean outside the sheva mitzvos.
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I don't know about this ruling.... Apparently it was consentual sex but he was in violation of the law which says that one cannot decieve another in order to obtain sex from them... This arab pretended he was a Jew in order to get sex... I think the woman is a complete whore for having sex only hours after meeting the scumbag arab... She should be in prison too... By Torah they were adulterers and should suffer the penalty...
Not to sound heavy handed, but she has some chutzpah. I mean this guy is a louse, but she's a fool. To make matters worse, she doesn't have the good sense to be quiet about it. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is arrogant enough to think they deserve the time of a court, plow full steam ahead and sue. Anyway, he lied, so I guess he'll do the time--literally.
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When I was 19 I told a girl I was 21 (she was 23). After we had sex I told her the truth. I would hate to think I could have been charged with rape for that.
But maybe you should be. Just food for thought.
Thank G-d people like you are not making decisions on prosecuting people. You cannot prosecute people for violating laws that do not exist. The day you start doing that you are on your way to an authoritarian government.
Violate laws that do not exist ? If the girl had lodged a compliant then in practically any country it would have been considered rape and charged as such. Get it straight. Consent through false pretenses is a criminal offence in every democratic country (even in India, nothing to do with Jewish/Israeli laws).
So if any of you guys are lying to get laid, I strongly suggest you stop immediately because if the girl complains to the police you will be up $hit creek without a paddle.
Some reading material for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_rape
Section 265(3)
Consent
(3) For the purposes of this section, no consent is obtained where the complainant submits or does not resist by reason of (a) the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant; (b) threats or fear of the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant; (c) fraud; or (d) the exercise of authority.
LOL find me one guy who was charged with rape for lying about how much money he made, even whether he was married, or where he lived. Casual sex is very much a buyer beware type of endeavor. The only cases of people being prosecuted are for lying about HIV status or something where a woman suffers objective loss. Having sex with someone who she later learns is not all he claims to be is not a criminally punishable losss.
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LOL find me one guy who was charged with rape for lying about how much money he made, even whether he was married, or where he lived. Casual sex is very much a buyer beware type of endeavor. The only cases of people being prosecuted are for lying about HIV status or something where a woman suffers objective loss. Having sex with someone who she later learns is not all he claims to be is not a criminally punishable losss.
Yes. What should be "criminally punishable" is putting out for a complete and utter stranger.
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LOL find me one guy who was charged with rape for lying about how much money he made, even whether he was married, or where he lived. Casual sex is very much a buyer beware type of endeavor. The only cases of people being prosecuted are for lying about HIV status or something where a woman suffers objective loss. Having sex with someone who she later learns is not all he claims to be is not a criminally punishable losss.
Yes. What should be "criminally punishable" is putting out for a complete and utter stranger.
By that logic, the guy "put out" for a complete and utter stranger too and should also be punishable. Why do you limit the offense to the woman? That's ridiculous.
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LOL find me one guy who was charged with rape for lying about how much money he made, even whether he was married, or where he lived. Casual sex is very much a buyer beware type of endeavor. The only cases of people being prosecuted are for lying about HIV status or something where a woman suffers objective loss. Having sex with someone who she later learns is not all he claims to be is not a criminally punishable losss.
Yes. What should be "criminally punishable" is putting out for a complete and utter stranger.
By that logic, the guy "put out" for a complete and utter stranger too and should also be punishable. Why do you limit the offense to the woman? That's ridiculous.
No Brennan Fan expects more from women than from men. While that may sound odd in our politically correct feminized world, it is based on the old theory that women are the regulators and restrainers of sexual behavior.
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LOL find me one guy who was charged with rape for lying about how much money he made, even whether he was married, or where he lived. Casual sex is very much a buyer beware type of endeavor. The only cases of people being prosecuted are for lying about HIV status or something where a woman suffers objective loss. Having sex with someone who she later learns is not all he claims to be is not a criminally punishable losss.
Yes. What should be "criminally punishable" is putting out for a complete and utter stranger.
By that logic, the guy "put out" for a complete and utter stranger too and should also be punishable. Why do you limit the offense to the woman? That's ridiculous.
No Brennan Fan expects more from women than from men. While that may sound odd in our politically correct feminized world, it is based on the old theory that women are the regulators and restrainers of sexual behavior.
That's not expecting more from women. What you're saying is simply blaming them for the problem and giving men a free pass. If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.
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LOL find me one guy who was charged with rape for lying about how much money he made, even whether he was married, or where he lived. Casual sex is very much a buyer beware type of endeavor. The only cases of people being prosecuted are for lying about HIV status or something where a woman suffers objective loss. Having sex with someone who she later learns is not all he claims to be is not a criminally punishable losss.
Yes. What should be "criminally punishable" is putting out for a complete and utter stranger.
By that logic, the guy "put out" for a complete and utter stranger too and should also be punishable. Why do you limit the offense to the woman? That's ridiculous.
No Brennan Fan expects more from women than from men. While that may sound odd in our politically correct feminized world, it is based on the old theory that women are the regulators and restrainers of sexual behavior.
That's not expecting more from women. What you're saying is simply blaming them for the problem and giving men a free pass. If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.
I agree, the man is the one who is responsible for the destruction caused by his wandering eye... A wise man will learn to restrain his impulses and restrict what he views with his eyes. Woman who dress provacatively are guilty on their own for the violation of modesty, but the man who acts on his immoral sex drive is the real sinner...
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That's not expecting more from women. What you're saying is simply blaming them for the problem and giving men a free pass. If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.<<
Clearly it is expecting more from women. It is saying that we expect men to be unable to restrain themselves and women need to restrain them. It is saying that women and men are different, have a different nature and play different roles in society. Again it sounds odd in these days of gender equality as a religious tenet of the politically correct society but it was certainly believed when I grew up and it was the basis of society for most of history.
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That's not expecting more from women. What you're saying is simply blaming them for the problem and giving men a free pass. If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.<<
Clearly it is expecting more from women. It is saying that we expect men to be unable to restrain themselves and women need to restrain them. It is saying that women and men are different, have a different nature and play different roles in society. Again it sounds odd in these days of gender equality as a religious tenet of the politically correct society but it was certainly believed when I grew up and it was the basis of society for most of history.
Does not sound like the Jewish view in my opinion. I have heard it said that Christianity has blamed the woman for all immorality due to the sin of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge {Eitz HaDat}... In Judaism we don't have such a stigma on the woman due to the 'original sin' doctrine.
According to Jewish belief the woman is of higher spiritual level than the man. The women were not involved in the Sin of the Golden Calf, and the women were meritorious for donating the mirrors they used to pretty themselves to the building of the Mishkan. The women did not die during the 40 years in the wilderness due to their merit.
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That's not expecting more from women. What you're saying is simply blaming them for the problem and giving men a free pass. If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.<
Clearly it is expecting more from women. It is saying that we expect men to be unable to restrain themselves and women need to restrain them.
God does not expect men to be unable to restrain themselves. Everyone has free choice, men included. And everyone is supposed to display self-control. Men are expected to restrain negative urges, and women are too. There are sexual prohibitions on men. So it's not just the tenet of today's "religion" political correctness.
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No Brennan Fan expects more from women than from men. While that may sound odd in our politically correct feminized world, it is based on the old theory that women are the regulators and restrainers of sexual behavior.
Basically.
I think I explained my logic clearly several times--and I am not in any way condoning what the slimy Arab did. It goes without saying he needs to be booted out of the Holy Land (or worse)--but that will never happen. I do think that a Jewish woman has more expected of her than an Arab man, plainly and simply. Answer the question--who angers you worse, Sheik Nasrallah or Bobby Fischer? Who of those two is more perverse and wicked in the light of their backgrounds?
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If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.
It depends on what kind of sex is involved. I have known scumbag men who are master psychological manipulators (what Lisa would call "alpha male" types) who have the natural ability to cause any woman to fall in love with them, and then put out. That's one thing. On the other hand, a woman who goes about trolling for casual sex is an entirely different ballgame--not only is that a sexual sin, but it involves quite a bit of perversion of nature. Answer the question: what is worse--a man who tries to get women in the sack (which sadly most secular men do at one point or another in their lives), or a man who seeks sex with men? Exactly. That is the distinction that I have been trying to get at.
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G-d does not expect men to be unable to restrain themselves.
Amen
Everyone has free choice, men included.
Who disputed this?
And everyone is supposed to display self-control.
Yes, I agree fully
Men are expected to restrain negative urges, and women are too.
Do you not agree that there is a hierarchy of sin in the universe? Some offenses are more wrong than others. I know for a fact that Judaism makes a distinction between sins against G-d and sins against man. There are two levels of sexual sin in my opinion--those of excess and unrestrained appetite, and those that involve a perversion of nature. A healthy man is designed to be constantly libidinous; this does not mean that it is acceptable for him to act it out constantly of course, but it is how men were built for a reason. Unfortunately this does lead to men trying to sleep with everything that moves. I, you, Bill Clinton, and the martians know that. A woman is designed to view sex as an act of deep emotional intimacy and bonding; if you think I am being antiquated and prudish, go talk to 75 random girls on a dating site and ask them what they look forward to most in marriage, and what their view of sex is. A woman is simply not designed to constantly desire casual sex. For her to do so involves more than just not restraining her natural urges--it requires that she go out of her way to exchange the natural use of her body for the unnatural, much like what homosexuality is. Do you not think that homosexual sex is worse than immoral heterosexual sex?
There are sexual prohibitions on men. So it's not just the tenet of today's "religion" political correctness.
Once again, nobody disagreed. If you want to execute this Arab slimeball for sleeping with a Jewish girl, I certainly will not complain. But I think this woman has a lot of nerve.
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If women are at fault for having relations freely with men, then men are equally at fault for doing the same with women.
It depends on what kind of sex is involved. I have known scumbag men who are master psychological manipulators (what Lisa would call "alpha male" types) who have the natural ability to cause any woman to fall in love with them, and then put out. That's one thing. On the other hand, a woman who goes about trolling for casual sex is an entirely different ballgame--not only is that a sexual sin, but it involves quite a bit of perversion of nature. Answer the question: what is worse--a man who tries to get women in the sack (which sadly most secular men do at one point or another in their lives), or a man who seeks sex with men? Exactly. That is the distinction that I have been trying to get at.
How did homosexuals get into this discussion?
I still don't agree to your basic premise. IF having "casual sex" is a crime, it involves TWO offenders, not one.
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Everyone has free choice, men included.
Who disputed this?
Secular Believer did.
There are sexual prohibitions on men. So it's not just the tenet of today's "religion" political correctness.
Once again, nobody disagreed. If you want to execute this Arab slimeball for sleeping with a Jewish girl, I certainly will not complain. But I think this woman has a lot of nerve.
Actually secular believer did, and he purported to speak in your name or at least explain your position. So perhaps you and him do not agree.
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Can you please show me? I don't see where SB said that this Arab needs to get off scot-free or that it is not a sin for men to seduce women. I did not see that at all. Regardless, you know full well what I think should be done with all the Arabs in Israel whether or not they have laid a finger on a Jew.
I think that G-d judges us all according to our natures--according to what we were designed for and what we can handle. It is wrong for a man to sleep around with women but not as wrong as for him to sleep around with men--no?
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Can you please show me? I don't see where SB said that this Arab needs to get off scot-free or that it is not a sin for men to seduce women. I did not see that at all. Regardless, you know full well what I think should be done with all the Arabs in Israel whether or not they have laid a finger on a Jew.
I think that G-d judges us all according to our natures--according to what we were designed for and what we can handle. It is wrong for a man to sleep around with women but not as wrong as for him to sleep around with men--no?
I do not understand your final question "It is wrong for a man to sleep around with women but not as wrong as for him to sleep around with men--no?"... What does it mean 'not as wrong'?
It is wrong to have an adulterous relationship, both for the man and for the woman involved, both are wrong. In the sin of the Israelites with the women of Midian it was the responsibility of the men, they had to die along with the women who seduced them... I do not know what you mean it is more wrong for men to be with men. Obviously one who willfully flaunts his perversion is more culpable than one who seeks help and tries to change his wrong ways. But a man who engages in forbidden relationships is also guilty of great sins also... The man who goes to the prostitute is as guilty as the prostitute...
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The man who goes to the prostitute is as guilty as the prostitute...
I didn't consider this to be quite the same as consensual prostitution but it makes no difference. Tell you what, rank the following sexual sins in order from least to most severe.
*A man tries to pick up and take home women at a bar.
*Two teenagers "in love" (probably just in lust, but that's besides the point) lose control one steamy afternoon.
*A man actively solicits homosexual coitus at a "men's club".
*A man cheats on his wife with a single woman that he "loves".
While all of the above are very wrong and against the Bible, are not some worse than others? Only a moral relativist would deny that.
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Everyone has free choice, men included.
Who disputed this?
Secular Believer did.
There are sexual prohibitions on men. So it's not just the tenet of today's "religion" political correctness.
Once again, nobody disagreed. If you want to execute this Arab slimeball for sleeping with a Jewish girl, I certainly will not complain. But I think this woman has a lot of nerve.
Actually secular believer did, and he purported to speak in your name or at least explain your position. So perhaps you and him do not agree.
I need to clarify I guess. I think that all people are responsible for their behavior. However, I think it is the nature of men to pursue casual sex with women more than the converse. If women make casual sex freely available then many otherwise moral men will give into their impulses. For much of recorded history (including my youth) men played offense when it came to sex and women played defense. I am not aware of any society in which women are the more sexually aggressive people (I don't have a subscription to National Geographic which might show rare exceptions) When women stop playing defense the floodgates open. Again I know this is not politically correct and does not conform with the notions common in feminized, gender neutral, society but it has been the nature of human beings.
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The man who goes to the prostitute is as guilty as the prostitute...
I didn't consider this to be quite the same as consensual prostitution but it makes no difference. Tell you what, rank the following sexual sins in order from least to most severe.
*A man tries to pick up and take home women at a bar.
*Two teenagers "in love" (probably just in lust, but that's besides the point) lose control one steamy afternoon.
*A man actively solicits homosexual coitus at a "men's club".
*A man cheats on his wife with a single woman that he "loves".
While all of the above are very wrong and against the Bible, are not some worse than others? Only a moral relativist would deny that.
From a Torah perspective they all fall under the category of Sexual immorality.
We all know that a man who has a sexual relationship with a man is a sinner because Torah clearly states that Hashem abhores that act, and thus the one who is guilty by the finding of the court of this sin can be executed {according to the Jewish law system which existed in Biblical times, and will be restored when Moshiach comes}.
A man who has sex outside of wedlock with a woman will have to marry her, if she becomes pregnant. The Torah clearly is against a man having too many wives because it will cause quarreling in the home and then the children will grow up wicked {as in the juxtaposition of the laws of the beautiful captive and the rebellious son}.
A man who picks up women at bars to have quick sex and move on, and two teenagers in love, both are in situations where they are trying to live lives of physical pleasure. They are guilty of the sin of sexual immorality although I do not know that there is a punishment for these acts of immorality. The spiritual damage of these acts will be felt in the future.
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http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/Shiur.asp?id=622
14. Caution Regarding Sexual Immorality
Rabbi Zalman Baruch Melamed
Written by the rabbi
Dedicated to the speedy recovery of
Dvorah bat Miriam
Unless one is persistent in his efforts to build a healthy and exemplary character, one will not be able to make any substantial headway it this area. This is especially true when it comes to those things which the heart passionately seeks out - for example, sexual immorality.
One who wishes to make himself completely taintless in this respect will have to invest quite a bit of effort. All the more so in this day and age, due to the many changes in modes of living. Women today work in most of the professional fields just like men. Men and women spend many work hours together, sometimes more so than with their own spouses. Naturally, friendly relations develop between coworkers during the course of their work, and even if the workers are the sort who practice caution and draw clear moral boundries, the very presence of camaraderie is problematic and can take its toll on the family life.
The prohibition against sexual immorality is not limited to the actual act, but includes anything which leads to it. The Torah is quite explicit in this regard, stating, "Do not come near to uncover nakedness." The Sages, too, have said that G-d declared, "Don't say to yourself that, 'though it is forbidden for me to cohabit with that woman, if I just hug her a bit I won't have done any thing wrong,' or, 'if I caress her I won't have harmed anybody,' or, 'if I kiss her I will not have done any harm.'" The Almighty says, "Just as when a Nazarene vows to abstain from wine he is forbidden to eat even grapes, raisins, grape juice, or anything derived from the vine, so too, it is forbidden to touch, even in the slightest, any woman other than your own wife. And one who touches a woman other than his own brings death upon himself."
The Sages, we see, compared the prohibition against sexual immorality to the restrictions of a Nazarene. Even though the principle prohibition concerning the Nazarene is the prohibition against drinking wine, the Torah forbade even those substances derived from the wine. In so doing the Torah was in effect teaching the Sages how to enact safeguards to prevent people from violating actual commandments of the Torah. Just as the Torah forbade not only the actual prohibition - the drinking of wine - but forbade and distanced the Nazarene from anything even related to the wine, so it must be with all the commandments of the Torah, for this is G-d's will.
Following the Torah's lead, the Sages forbade anything even slightly related to the actual prohibition against sexual immorality, whether carried out through action, speech, hearing, sight, or even thought. Thoughts of transgression are more severe than the transgression itself. All of the man's senses have to be shaken clean and purified of every trace of transgression. Do not say to yourself, "I know how to establish boundries, I know how to protect myself. I won't allow myself to get carried away. Since I have good self control I need not be cautious, distancing myself from immoral speech, sights and sounds. It won't cause me to sin." No. The mere act of discussing things which involve sexual immorality, the mere act of viewing or listening to such material, is forbidden in its own right, regardless of the fact that they invite the act itself.
In order to be completely free from sexually immoral impulses one must work very hard. Yet, the more a person advances in cleaning himself of them, the more he frees himself from the enslavement of these impulses. As a result, his life becomes purer and happier, his family life untainted. The children grow up in a healthy and united family, and the effort pays off.
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From a Torah perspective they all fall under the category of Sexual immorality.
We all know that a man who has a sexual relationship with a man is a sinner because Torah clearly states that Hashem abhores that act, and thus the one who is guilty by the finding of the court of this sin can be executed {according to the Jewish law system which existed in Biblical times, and will be restored when Moshiach comes}.
A man who has sex outside of wedlock with a woman will have to marry her, if she becomes pregnant. The Torah clearly is against a man having too many wives because it will cause quarreling in the home and then the children will grow up wicked {as in the juxtaposition of the laws of the beautiful captive and the rebellious son}.
A man who picks up women at bars to have quick sex and move on, and two teenagers in love, both are in situations where they are trying to live lives of physical pleasure. They are guilty of the sin of sexual immorality although I do not know that there is a punishment for these acts of immorality. The spiritual damage of these acts will be felt in the future.
You have just proven my point that they are indeed not all of the same degree of wickedness.
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I should also have mentioned this:
One of the three cardinal sins a Jew is prohibited to do, even upon threat of death, is sexual immorality...
These three are Murder, Idolatry, and Sexual immorality..
http://www.jewishmag.com/88mag/esther/esther.htm
There are three cardinal sins: Promiscuity, Idolatry, and Murder. It is forbidden to commit one of these three cardinal sins even at the expense of one's own life. If a person is put into a position in which he is forced to commit one of these three cardinal sins, then he must sacrifice his life rather than trespass.
As an example, if a group of thugs come to a man and tell him they will kill him unless he has sexual relations with this specific married woman; he is not allowed to have sex with her. He must let himself be killed rather than sin.
Similarly, if a group of idolaters come and tell him that if he does not bow down to an idol he will be killed, he must not bow down to the idol, but rather let them kill him. There are some who say that this only applies if ten Jews are present.
The third cardinal sin is that of murder. If a group of thugs come and tell a man that he must kill another person, he must decline even though it means that they will kill him.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/581438/jewish/Is-a-Jew-required-to-die-rather-than-disobey-a-Torah-command.htm
Three Cardinal Sins
With regards to the three cardinal sins – idolatry,5 murder, and sexual sins (such as adultery, incest, and homosexuality)6 – we are obligated to allow our lives to be sacrificed rather than transgress them. Regarding these sins, it makes no difference who is the one (or ones) compelling the Jew to transgress, or in the presence of how many people it is done.
In Public
With regards to all other commandments, we are required to transgress rather than die. If, however, it is the intention of the person forcing the transgression to compel the person to sin, and the sin will be done is in the presence of a minyan (ten Jews), then one is obligated to be martyred for rather than transgress any sin.
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I am going to post a New Testament passage that explains some of my views here, so that you can see where I am coming from. I hope this is okay. Of course most people who read this thread will be Jews but I don't think very many people would disagree with the content of these verses.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
The Apostle Paul is speaking of Gentile nations--most likely Greeks given his own cultural background--rejecting G-d and being hardened of heart similarly to Pharaoh, and subsequently giving themselves to ever worse degrees of sins. It culminates in sexual perversion; meaning not just unchecked sexual appetites, but sexual acts that involve a substantial degree of deliberate defiance of G-d. We are not told exactly what the "unnatural relations" are that the women were engaging in like we are for the men (sodomy), but conceivably it could mean women offering themselves to random multiple male partners, which is as against nature and design as it is for men to desire other men physically.
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Yes, but I think you agree that sexual immorality is sexual immorality, whether it is originated from a woman, or originated from a man... They both should know better, and the man should be able to control his impulses more than the woman, because he is not supposed to be controlled by his emotions and his instincts... Both male and female should be responsible partners in creation, not using the gift of procreation for simple pleasure...
There is nothing to argue about concerning an illicit relationship such as homosexual or lesbian relationships. I have said it is considered wrong. But there is no excuse for sexual immorality from a Jew especially, who wants to live a life of holiness.
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the man should be able to control his impulses more than the woman, because he is not supposed to be controlled by his emotions and his instincts... Both male and female should be responsible partners in creation, not using the gift of procreation for simple pleasure...
I am not sure what the Judaic view is but in the Christian view, any unrepented sin leads to hell. That means both the male Arab and the female Jew in this case. In that they are no different.
The difference that I see is that it is part of male nature to desire frequent, spontaneous sexual release with a woman. G-d's word is very clear that the ONLY acceptable place for that is marriage. It is part of female nature to desire to be deeply and intimately loved by one man--emotionally first, and sexually second. Not every single woman is wired that way, but the vast majority are. I believe that it took more corruption for that woman to get to where she was than that man (not counting the fact that Islam corrupts every last bit of the soul, but I digress).
Don't forget too that I will always expect better behavior from a Jew than an Arab. The former is a member of a holy and exalted people; the latter barely qualifies as a human being. Like I said earlier, I think it is quite natural to call Bobby Fischer more evil than Sheik Nasrallah. The latter is pretty much an insensate wild beast. The former made a long series of premediated choices to hate, and declare war upon, his very own holy and chosen nation.
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Yes, I agree that those who turn their back on their Jewish heritage are very low in character... Especially when they have reached an old age without realizing their mistake. I do forgive some of the liberal Jews because they do not know, but those who willingly work against the Jewish people are traitors, such as NK and Piss now...
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Jewish men don't behave like Jewish men. They behave like European rats and not like Israelite Lions. That's the most dangerous and painful example of the spiritual Holocaust we're experiencing. This fact is one of the reasons some Jewish women go for Arab men - women love dangerous men that will make them feel safe. Some Jewish women don't feel safe with Jewish men because generally Jewish men's masculinity was overrun by Communist brainwash that men should be FemiNazi feminine proud faggots. and the stereotype is that Arab men (although they're they most cowardly, because they can only fight in huge numbers, and against little children and girls, but never 1 on 1 or anything fair, they're coward snakes that use deception because they're too much of cowards to really fight and not bag for mercy and stab in the back like they did in Khaybar and in Oslo) are dangerous and respectful to women.
Same goes to Jewish women. They don't behave like Jewish women but rather some Hollywood trash rebellious whores and it makes Jewish men feel hatred and contempt to Jewish women and that's why many of them go for Russian, Druze, Thai, Chinese and American women who they view as high-levelled, intellectual, feminine and loyal women (that's the stereotype). It's known that this is false.
This may not be the subject of the debate that has started in the topic, but this is why this girl went on for that Arab - she knew it was an Arab guy, most have an accent. We need to wake up and protect our women and you sisters should do the same because no filthy Arab will touch our Holy sisters.
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This fact is one of the reasons some Jewish women go for Arab men - women love dangerous men that will make them feel safe.
It is human female biology to desire an alpha male--a strong, hard, fierce man who will be tough in defense of the home and provide well.
Some Jewish women don't feel safe with Jewish men because generally Jewish men's masculinity was overrun by Communist brainwash that men should be FemiNazi feminine proud faggots.
Yep.
and the stereotype is that Arab men (although they're they most cowardly, because they can only fight in huge numbers, and against little children and girls, but never 1 on 1 or anything fair, they're coward snakes that use deception because they're too dumb and too much of cowards to play fair warfare) are dangerous and respectful to women.
... and they beat everything weaker than they are (which some women are turned-on by, it's a perversion of their desire for a tough alpha male; look at the phenomenon of women falling in love with serial killers).
Same goes to Jewish women. They don't behave like Jewish women but rather some Hollywood trash rebellious whores and it makes Jewish men feel hatred and contempt to Jewish women
Or man-hating feminazis like you already said.
and that's why many of them go for Russian, Druze, Thai, Chinese and American women who they view as high-levelled, intellectual, feminine and loyal women (that's the stereotype). It's known that this is false.
Of course it is false. All of the women you mentioned, especially Russian, are at least as trashy as trashy secular Jewish women.
This may not be the subject of the debate that has started in the topic, but this is why this girl went on for that Arab - she knew it was an Arab guy, most have an accent. We need to wake up and protect our women and you sisters should do the same because no filthy Arab will touch our Holy sisters.
Whether or not her desire for the Arab had some basis in human female instinct does not make it any more understandable. What she did was beyond debased and disgusting. It is not female nature to put out for anonymous men under any circumstances. I have a very sweet, pure, devout, somewhat naive Christian female friend, somewhat younger than me, who is very open about desiring a man who is a bit of a "bad boy" for marriage (within very strict limits), but she would not have sex with random multiple partners under any circumstances (or any man, before marriage)!
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... and they beat everything weaker than they are (which some women are turned-on by, it's a perversion of their desire for a tough alpha male; look at the phenomenon of women falling in love with serial killers).
Yes, but some Jewish women don't understand because that's NOT the stereotype, they're dead brainwashed. By the way, they wouldn't like the wife-beating type, because most women find that as fear). They think they're some masculine Macho men but they're nothing but cockroaches who can do nothing but wine, lie and stab in the back like inferior snakes.
Of course it is false. All of the women you mentioned, especially Russian, are at least as trashy as trashy secular Jewish women.
That's not the stereotype in Israel. In Israel Russian women are considered loving and caring wives (the mature ones).
Whether or not her desire for the Arab had some basis in human female instinct does not make it any more understandable. What she did was beyond debased and disgusting. It is not female nature to put out for anonymous men under any circumstances. I have a very sweet, pure, devout, somewhat naive Christian female friend, somewhat younger than me, who is very open about desiring a man who is a bit of a "bad boy" for marriage (within very strict limits), but she would not have sex with random multiple partners under any circumstances (or any man, before marriage)!
Of course I agree it was treason and she should be hanged for this. What I'm saying is the psychology that drived her to do that. So we agree here.
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Yes, but some Jewish women don't understand because that's NOT the stereotype, they're dead brainwashed.
How can their character not be obvious? Even the most insane white liberal in America would know better than to hang out in a black neighborhood at night.
That's not the stereotype in Israel. In Israel Russian women are considered loving and caring wives (the mature ones).
That makes no sense to me. Everyone knows that Gentile Russian women are cheap, have many abortions, and are prone to alcoholism and any other number of disgusting habits. Why would they change by being in Israel?
Of course I agree it was treason and she should be hanged for this. What I'm saying is the psychology that drived her to do that. So we agree here.
She should be hanged for this even if it were a real Jewish guy she had sex with.
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Yes, but some Jewish women don't understand because that's NOT the stereotype, they're dead brainwashed.
How can their character not be obvious? Even the most insane white liberal in America would know better than to hang out in a black neighborhood at night.
That's not the stereotype in Israel. In Israel Russian women are considered loving and caring wives (the mature ones).
That makes no sense to me. Everyone knows that Gentile Russian women are cheap, have many abortions, and are prone to alcoholism and any other number of disgusting habits. Why would they change by being in Israel?
Of course I agree it was treason and she should be hanged for this. What I'm saying is the psychology that drived her to do that. So we agree here.
She should be hanged for this even if it were a real Jewish guy she had sex with.
I don't know many, but the Russian Jewish girls I have met are nice girls... I know one who is the wife of a friend in my minyan, he too is a recent immigrant to America from Russia...
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I don't know many, but the Russian Jewish girls I have met are nice girls... I know one who is the wife of a friend in my minyan, he too is a recent immigrant to America from Russia...
We both meant Russian Gentiles.
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How can their character not be obvious? Even the most insane white liberal in America would know better than to hang out in a black neighborhood at night.
You don't know the situation in Israel. Many people think that "not all Arabs are like that", "there are Jews who do that too" and many other excuses that they actually believe in.
That makes no sense to me. Everyone knows that Gentile Russian women are cheap, have many abortions, and are prone to alcoholism and any other number of disgusting habits. Why would they change by being in Israel?
Believe it or not --- Israeli men are tired of Israeli women acting like a monstrous militant egoist Feminazi pitbull and are for weak, European princesses such as Russian girls. Russian mature women are stereotyped as intellectual, caring, loving, feminine women. That's the stereotype, face it (although it's certainely not true, I know Russians better than Ukranians).
She should be hanged for this even if it were a real Jewish guy she had sex with.
If it was a Jew, she should have been rebuked for that. But since it's an enemy of the Jewish people, it's treason and the cost is execution.
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I don't know many, but the Russian Jewish girls I have met are nice girls... I know one who is the wife of a friend in my minyan, he too is a recent immigrant to America from Russia...
We both meant Russian Gentiles.
Yes.
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You don't know the situation in Israel. Many people think that "not all Arabs are like that", "there are Jews who do that too" and many other excuses that they actually believe in.
I know exactly how perverse things are in Israel and America is just as bad. Still, I believe these leftist lunatics know the truth full well and choose to deny it. Like I said, even the most flaming white liberal, even someone who would date/marry a black, knows better than to hang out in a housing project at night.
Believe it or not --- Israeli men are tired of Israeli women acting like a monstrous militant egoist Feminazi pitbull and are for weak, European princesses such as Russian girls. Russian mature women are stereotyped as intellectual, caring, loving, feminine women. That's the stereotype, face it (although it's certainely not true, I know Russians better than Ukranians).
Feminism is bad of course but I think it's a major character flaw for men to only want submissive, meek women. That's why white American men go for Asian women and it bothers me a lot. What kind of a man only is interested in women he can dominate? I for one would call that an extremely boring and lifeless marriage.
If it was a Jew, she should have been rebuked for that. But since it's an enemy of the Jewish people, it's treason and the cost is execution.
If you believe her, she did not know he was an Arab. It makes no difference to me. To me, it was treason against womankind for her to put out for a strange man regardless of what his religion was.
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I know exactly how perverse things are in Israel and America is just as bad. Still, I believe these leftist lunatics know the truth full well and choose to deny it. Like I said, even the most flaming white liberal, even someone who would date/marry a black, knows better than to hang out in a housing project at night.
They seriously think it's not all Arabs (or in other words - "it's not an Arab thing"). They're real Communist Liberals who have contempt for other people's cultures knowingly or unknowigly. When Jews tell that to a Jewish girl who went for an Arab dog her first reaction will be "not all Arabs are like that, don't be racist" etc.
Feminism is bad of course but I think it's a major character flaw for men to only want submissive, meek women. That's why white American men go for Asian women and it bothers me a lot. What kind of a man only is interested in women he can dominate? I for one would call that an extremely boring and lifeless marriage.
Would you want a woman that all she does is telling you that you should worship her, buy her the whole world etc? That's what married Israeli men are living through.
If you believe her, she did not know he was an Arab.
It's either she's dumb or she's lying.
It makes no difference to me. To me, it was treason against womankind for her to put out for a strange man regardless of what his religion was.
It's a sin against her body and soul to have a sexual intercourse with a man that doesn't have a permission to do it, but it is not treason unless she sins knowingly (if we're talking "Secular" Jewish women such as this whore). If she does that and doesn't know why it's wrong fully, we need to rebuke her.
What you're saying is not the Jewish view so I respectfully disagree.
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They seriously think it's not all Arabs (or in other words - "it's not an Arab thing"). They're real Communist Liberals who have contempt for other people's cultures knowingly or unknowigly. When Jews tell that to a Jewish girl who went for an Arab dog her first reaction will be "not all Arabs are like that, don't be racist" etc.
I think it's knowing. Brainwashed or not, I think being that perverse is a choice. The evidence of the character of Arabs is very abundant.
Would you want a woman that all she does is telling you that you should worship her, buy her the whole world etc? That's what married Israeli men are living through.
There is supposed to be a balance to all things in life. No I don't want a cruel harpy but I don't want a doormat either. I want to marry a passionate, intellectual Christian woman with strong opinions (that would be close to mine) and a forceful personality, but does not want to dominate her man either.
It's either she's dumb or she's lying.
Without knowing her I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. Either way she is dumb, period.
t's a sin against her body and soul to have a sexual intercourse with a man that doesn't have a permission to do it, but it is not treason unless she sins knowingly (if we're talking "Secular" Jewish women such as this whore). If she does that and doesn't know why it's wrong fully, we need to rebuke her.
I believe that natural law/creation witness (I don't know if such concepts exist in Judaism) shows that anonymous sex is perverse. People don't need the Bible or Torah to know it is wrong.
What you're saying is not the Jewish view so I respectfully disagree.
I never said it was. It is my view. But do think about it. How many millions of women, since time itself began, have been cruelly raped by anonymous, strange men? Here this woman chose to give herself to an anonymous, strange man of her own free will. In light of the above is that not a form of treason against G-d himself?
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I think it's knowing. Brainwashed or not, I think being that perverse is a choice. The evidence of the character of Arabs is very abundant.
Again, the girls who do that are so-called anti-racists who cannot accept that this is the Arab culture, that all Arabs are like that. They really think not all Arabs are like that and that these Arab men should be given a chance. It's even seen in the way Arab men are chasing after Jewish girls - buying them presents they buy using money they got on welfare (=Jewish money), rain them with compliments, make them feel like queens. The stereotype of the Arab (or Eastern) man plays a role here is well. So that's why they always think "he's different", "he's a good Arab", etc. Thinking otherwise is an illusion unless the girl is an outright self-hater.
There is supposed to be a balance to all things in life. No I don't want a cruel harpy but I don't want a doormat either. I want to marry a passionate, intellectual Christian woman with strong opinions (that would be close to mine) and a forceful personality, but does not want to dominate her man either.
I don't agree completely but my point is different. When you've been suffering from something for too long, you want the complete opposite of that to re-create your emotional balance and security. It's some sort of revenge-psychology and the judging is stereotypical, but this is how deseperate men and women think.
I believe that natural law/creation witness (I don't know if such concepts exist in Judaism) shows that anonymous sex is perverse. People don't need the Bible or Torah to know it is wrong.
Well, yes. They know it's wrong but only because the society views it as "being a Sharmoota" (Arabic for a "rag" or in other words a worthless whore). Some do the opposite. They do it as a rebellion against society because they love the attention. But anyhow they don't feel it's wrong, especially not because of Torahnic reasons (many of those who do that don't give a ruble on Torah).
I never said it was. It is my view. But do think about it. How many millions of women, since time itself began, have been cruelly raped by anonymous, strange men? Here this woman chose to give herself to an anonymous, strange man of her own free will. In light of the above is that not a form of treason against G-d himself?
In Judaism, we have the value of mercy. The mercy as G-D defines it - mercy upon the ones who deserve mercy and love. If a Jewish girl does it not knowing it was a sin the way she should, we may give her a second chance and rebuke her until she understan why it's wrong. If all proofs are shown to her and she doesn't accept it, she's called a wicked Prutza (prostiute). But those who do that with a Jewish guy, unknowingly of its immorality, are to rebuke because they're mistaken, not wicked. In this generation, even the religious Jews have lack of knowledge of Torah and values, because all are influence by the Western Hellenist garbage.
It's wrong, but it's not treason, sorry.
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The arab should be hanged.
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Again, the girls who do that are so-called anti-racists who cannot accept that this is the Arab culture, that all Arabs are like that. They really think not all Arabs are like that and that these Arab men should be given a chance. It's even seen in the way Arab men are chasing after Jewish girls - buying them presents they buy using money they got on welfare (=Jewish money), rain them with compliments, make them feel like queens. The stereotype of the Arab (or Eastern) man plays a role here is well. So that's why they always think "he's different", "he's a good Arab", etc. Thinking otherwise is an illusion unless the girl is an outright self-hater.
Being an outright self-hater is bad, but any woman who indulges this for any reason is at least being a passive self-hater too, which is just as bad. The end result is the same--Jews die. If this woman knowingly had sex with an Arab, that's terrible, but if she honestly thought he was a Jew, it was still bad enough.
I don't agree completely but my point is different. When you've been suffering from something for too long, you want the complete opposite of that to re-create your emotional balance and security. It's some sort of revenge-psychology and the judging is stereotypical, but this is how deseperate men and women think.
Anyone who bases their lives on wild emotional reactions is a fool. Jews by and large are very educated people and surely they should know that just from secular psychology alone. Of course secular women, anywhere in the world, are going to make terrible partners a lot of the time. If these Jewish men had faith in G-d to give them quality wives, and became religious, I am sure that a whole new world of quality women of excellent character would be opened to them.
Well, yes. They know it's wrong but only because the society views it as "being a Sharmoota" (Arabic for a "rag" or in other words a worthless whore). Some do the opposite. They do it as a rebellion against society because they love the attention. But anyhow they don't feel it's wrong, especially not because of Torahnic reasons (many of those who do that don't give a ruble on Torah).
Like I said already, if she knew he was an Arab it was terrible, but if she was genuinely deceived, it was still bad enough. (I also would consider a Jewish man who went around seducing women worse than an Arab who did that, because he belongs to a nation of priests.) Anyone who doesn't give a crap about Torah doesn't belong in Israel. Send them to Riyadh or Cairo and let them enjoy the Middle East free of that oppressive Judaism there.
In Judaism, we have the value of mercy. The mercy as G-D defines it - mercy upon the ones who deserve mercy and love. If a Jewish girl does it not knowing it was a sin the way she should, we may give her a second chance and rebuke her until she understan why it's wrong. If all proofs are shown to her and she doesn't accept it, she's called a wicked Prutza (prostiute). But those who do that with a Jewish guy, unknowingly of its immorality, are to rebuke because they're mistaken, not wicked. In this generation, even the religious Jews have lack of knowledge of Torah and values, because all are influence by the Western Hellenist garbage.
It's wrong, but it's not treason, sorry.
I don't believe that there is such a thing as being unknowing of an action's morality. The only sexual sin that I can halfways tolerate, although it is still bad, would be if two kids who had a relationship gave into their hormones and went all the way. This was nothing of the sort--there was no relationship or pretense of love here, this was an anonymous casual screw of the type that faggots do in their bathhouses every night. I believe the human conscience automatically knows that is wrong and needs no religion to tell them that anymore than we need religion to tell us that murder, rape, stealing, etc. are innately wrong.
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She should be hanged for this even if it were a real Jewish guy she had sex with.
No she shouldn't. They should simply get married and end the sinning.
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No she shouldn't. They should simply get married and end the sinning.
People like that are not generally interested in marriage.
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Being an outright self-hater is bad, but any woman who indulges this for any reason is at least being a passive self-hater too, which is just as bad. The end result is the same--Jews die. If this woman knowingly had sex with an Arab, that's terrible, but if she honestly thought he was a Jew, it was still bad enough.
Should anybody who smokes once in his life be killed and be considered a traitor?
Anyone who bases their lives on wild emotional reactions is a fool. Jews by and large are very educated people and surely they should know that just from secular psychology alone. Of course secular women, anywhere in the world, are going to make terrible partners a lot of the time. If these Jewish men had faith in G-d to give them quality wives, and became religious, I am sure that a whole new world of quality women of excellent character would be opened to them.
But this is not the issue. That's what happening. A miserable man/woman will think with nothing but emotions, that's natural (but is bad).
Like I said already, if she knew he was an Arab it was terrible, but if she was genuinely deceived, it was still bad enough. (I also would consider a Jewish man who went around seducing women worse than an Arab who did that, because he belongs to a nation of priests.) Anyone who doesn't give a crap about Torah doesn't belong in Israel. Send them to Riyadh or Cairo and let them enjoy the Middle East free of that oppressive Judaism there.
No. Anybody who was brainwashed and spiritually murdered needs to be rebuked and taken back to his Torahnic goal, not lost. Unless he's an outright Rasha, that's what we should do, ceou tout.
I don't believe that there is such a thing as being unknowing of an action's morality. The only sexual sin that I can halfways tolerate, although it is still bad, would be if two kids who had a relationship gave into their hormones and went all the way. This was nothing of the sort--there was no relationship or pretense of love here, this was an anonymous casual screw of the type that faggots do in their bathhouses every night. I believe the human conscience automatically knows that is wrong and needs no religion to tell them that anymore than we need religion to tell us that murder, rape, stealing, etc. are innately wrong.
Ok, let's play this game, are wrong according to who? to G-D? but what if they don't believe in G-D or don't think He really forbade it (therefore it's wrong; no human morals are absolute)?
Again, what you're saying is not the Jewish view. If all people wouldn't be judged with the value of Mercy, none of us would be existing right now and all will be suffering unimagineable torture.
אל תהא צדיק הרבה - Don't try to be more righteous than G-D...