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Background? mine fathers side comes from iraq and Syria, my mothers side comes from Turkey and Greece
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Russian Sephardi
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
No
Born Ashkenazi, embraced Minhagei Sfarad
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
No
Born Ashkenazi, embraced Minhagei Sfarad
you live in queens?
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
No
Born Ashkenazi, embraced Minhagei Sfarad
you live in queens?
Israel
why?
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
No
Born Ashkenazi, embraced Minhagei Sfarad
you live in queens?
Israel
why?
by sephardi you mean Mizrahi?
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Gentile/Christian
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do we have any Muslims on this forum?
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
No
Born Ashkenazi, embraced Minhagei Sfarad
you live in queens?
Israel
why?
by sephardi you mean Mizrahi?
No you don't know what Sephardic is?
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Russian Sephardi
georgian?
No
Born Ashkenazi, embraced Minhagei Sfarad
you live in queens?
Israel
why?
by sephardi you mean Mizrahi?
No you don't know what Sephardic is?
i know what Sephardic is i'm part Sephardic. i just thought cause you from Russia, the Sephardic groups in Russia (Georgians, Bukharians, Kavkazis) are of Mizrahi background, so i thought you followed their background. also 50% of Israesl population are Mizrahi
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I'm not from Russia, I'm from Judah (Jerusalem)
I practice Minhagei Sfarad but my "Edah" is Russian
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Mostly Sephardic
Dad's family from Southern Romania with some Algerian and Syrian roots
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/romania.html
Mom is Southern German and French.
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Mostly Sephardic
Dad's family from Southern Romania with some Algerian and Syrian roots
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/romania.html
Mom is Southern German and French.
wow so your mutt like me lol
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Mizrachi. My ancestry is Iranian.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
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Mizrachi. My ancestry is Iranian.
Parsi Hof-Mezoni (prob typed wrong)
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i was born on the plane ... :'(
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
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i was born on the plane ... :'(
so what does that mean?
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
i respect and love Breslov, very caring guys. The Mohrosh, Rav Lazar Brody, Rav Shalom Arush great Rabbis. Rabbi Nachman amazing too
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
he's not Chassid, born secular was attarcted by Mizrahim customes and traditions
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
i respect and love Breslov, very caring guys. The Mohrosh, Rav Lazar Brody, Rav Shalom Arush great Rabbis. Rabbi Nachman is amazing too
Thank you... Yes there are many great Breslovers...
Here is info on Breslov for those who don't know about it...
http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/rabbis/breslov.htm
Rabbi Nachman of Breslov
(1772-1810)
Rabbi Nachman of Breslov was one of the most creative, influential and profound of the Chassidic masters. A great-grandson of the Baal Shem Tov, he was recognized as a tzaddik while still a young man. From his youth, he followed a path of asceticism and prayer, though he warned his followers not to abuse themselves physically. He was a passionate individual, given to intense swings of emotions. These he put toward the service of G-d, and spoke often of how to find G-d even in the low states of mind, and how to serve Him during the emotional highs.
Central to his teachings is the role of the tzaddik, who has the power to descend into the darkness to redeem lost souls; the path of prayer as the main expression of religious life. His main work is Likutey Moharan, composed partly by himself, partly by his chief disciple, Rabbi Nossan Sternhartz. The book is a collection of sermons delivered by Rabbi Nachman, given mostly on the holidays when his Chassidim gathered. The lessons are long and complex, masterfully drawing on the entire body of Talmud, Midrashic and Kabbalistic literature. Ideas are connected by a poetic and intuitive grasp of the texts. In addition, Rabbi Nachman wrote thirteen “Tales”--mythical stories of kings and wizards based upon Kabbalistic thought and capturing the essence of Rabbi Nachman’s teachings. These tales were known to have influenced later authors such as Franz Kafka. Rabbi Nachman died of Tuberculoses at the age of 38. Despite the fact that there was never another “Breslov Rebbe” to fill his place, the mystery and depth of his teachings continue to attract students today, and Breslover Chassidism is one of the largest and most vibrant of Chassidic groups.
My last name is Uman, the city in which Rabbi Nachman is buried and the city to which the Breslovers travel to each Rosh Hashanah to be by his grave... I have never gone, though my Chabad Rabbi has told me that he has gone....
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i love the teachings of breslov (speaking with Hashem for 1 hour a day) lessons on Shomer ha Brit. by the way hows the views of Chavad on Breslov?
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i was born on the plane ... :'(
so what does that mean?
it means w/e the hell do you want it to mean my mom is from Georgia and father from Turkey i was born in plane towards Israel
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i was born on the plane ... :'(
so what does that mean?
it means w/e the hell do you want it to mean my mom is from Georgia and father from Turkey i was born in plane towards Israel
you speak Georgian? or Ladino?
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i was born on the plane ... :'(
so what does that mean?
it means w/e the hell do you want it to mean my mom is from Georgia and father from Turkey i was born in plane towards Israel
you speak Georgian? or Ladino?
both plus 3 more languages i am very linguistic person i love learning new languages mainly i speak English as u see
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Ashkenazi Jews. One part of my ancestry has been living in France for a very long time and is very assimilated (some of them quite anti-religious, of the French secular rationalist universalist tradition). Another part is of Eastern European descent and is much more religious. It has been a long-standing line of contrast and dispute within my family and has resulted in many passionate discussions and confrontations !
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100 % Obamanian and proud
:::D
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Imam in chief of qurananimal cult :::D :::D
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I'm a gentile of Mediterranean/Nordic/Gaelic/Scandinavian ancestry.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Never heard of a Ashkenazi become Sephardic, I thought this has to do with the country you are from and ethnic?
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Ashkenazi Jews. One part of my ancestry has been living in France for a very long time and is very assimilated (some of them quite anti-religious, of the French secular rationalist universalist tradition). Another part is of Eastern European descent and is much more religious. It has been a long-standing line of contrast and dispute within my family and has resulted in many passionate discussions and confrontations !
I thought most French Jews are Sephardic? Majority come from North Africa
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Never heard of a Ashkenazi become Sephardic, I thought this has to do with the country you are from and ethnic?
No. This is 2 different methods of Judaism to put it simply (differet customs; I wish I could explain it in English).
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sefardi persian
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Never heard of a Ashkenazi become Sephardic, I thought this has to do with the country you are from and ethnic?
No. This is 2 different methods of Judaism to put it simply (differet customs; I wish I could explain it in English).
I never heard of a Jew from Iraq being called Ashkenazi even if they follow Ashkenazi tradition.
I think most of my families ways would be very different from most Jewish families from my old area and even our appearance. I think we were the tallest family on the block, though I had some monsters in my family.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Never heard of a Ashkenazi become Sephardic, I thought this has to do with the country you are from and ethnic?
No. This is 2 different methods of Judaism to put it simply (differet customs; I wish I could explain it in English).
I never heard of a Jew from Iraq being called Ashkenazi even if they follow Ashkenazi tradition.
I think most of my families ways would be very different from most Jewish families from my old area and even our appearance. I think we were the tallest family on the block, though I had some monsters in my family.
I'm a Jew "from" Russia and I'm called Sephardic. It's time for you to understand what Ashkeazi really means. By the way, there are Sephards from Russia and Ashkenazis from the Arab countries.
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Ashkenazi Jews. One part of my ancestry has been living in France for a very long time and is very assimilated (some of them quite anti-religious, of the French secular rationalist universalist tradition). Another part is of Eastern European descent and is much more religious. It has been a long-standing line of contrast and dispute within my family and has resulted in many passionate discussions and confrontations !
I thought most French Jews are Sephardic? Majority come from North Africa
Sephardic Jews began to be the majority of Jews in France around 1960, because of the Shoah and because part of the Jews who lived in North Africa emigrated to France after all Maghreb countries became independent.
Today, Ashkenazi Jews make up around 25% of French Jews.
Among the French Jews who spend vacation in Israel or have property in Israel, there is a vast majority of Sephardic Jews, maybe that is why you get the impression that all French Jews are Sephardic Jews.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Never heard of a Ashkenazi become Sephardic, I thought this has to do with the country you are from and ethnic?
No. This is 2 different methods of Judaism to put it simply (differet customs; I wish I could explain it in English).
I never heard of a Jew from Iraq being called Ashkenazi even if they follow Ashkenazi tradition.
I think most of my families ways would be very different from most Jewish families from my old area and even our appearance. I think we were the tallest family on the block, though I had some monsters in my family.
I'm a Jew "from" Russia and I'm called Sephardic. It's time for you to understand what Ashkeazi really means. By the way, there are Sephards from Russia and Ashkenazis from the Arab countries.
I am unable to find anything about it, can you provide any links regarding sephardic Jews in Russia?
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Sephardic from Morocco, well my family is, I was born in New York NY USA. You'd think I could get a tan wouldn't you, nope, I get lobster red, I is a complete whitey. Go figure.
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Sephardic from Morocco, well my family is, I was born in New York NY USA. You'd think I could get a tan wouldn't you, nope, I get lobster red, I is a complete whitey. Go figure.
lol it's funny you mention that, people comment that I have a very typical Mizrahi face and my skin is quite light especially in the winter though I get dark brown in the sun and do not normally burn. My mother is medium tone, and my dad was a dark complexion but yet I am lighter than both of them. My hair is also light to medium brown but my mothers hair is light brown, my dads hair was black and curly yet I don't seem to really have curly hair, more wavy. I do have black eyes though, and I do mean black, not dark brown.
On a side note, this is interesting.
Some Sephardic Jews from Spain, Portugal, and Turkey also found their way to Poland and Romania and intermarried with Ashkenazic Jews. This has been confirmed by investigating numerous individual families' genealogies, some of which have Sephardic surnames and oral traditions of Sephardic ancestry. The Rappaport families came from northern Italy to eastern Europe, but one theory contends that they originated in Oporto, Portugal. Other Sephardic surnames include Peretz and Basson. The existence of Sephardic Jews in Poland and Russia is briefly cited in the famous genealogy books by Dan Rottenberg (Finding Our Fathers) and Arthur Kurzweil (From Generation to Generation). An example of a town where Sephardic Jews settled is Zamosc in Poland.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
Indeed.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Never heard of a Ashkenazi become Sephardic, I thought this has to do with the country you are from and ethnic?
Then what if a person is from multiple places and multiple ethnicities?
These terms (ashkenazi, sephardic, etc) have practices and customs attached to them and that is one way to define them.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
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Ashkenazi Jews. One part of my ancestry has been living in France for a very long time and is very assimilated (some of them quite anti-religious, of the French secular rationalist universalist tradition). Another part is of Eastern European descent and is much more religious. It has been a long-standing line of contrast and dispute within my family and has resulted in many passionate discussions and confrontations !
I thought most French Jews are Sephardic? Majority come from North Africa
No, they're mixed. Some are Sephardi (spanish origin) and some are Ashkenazi (German/French/ west European origin).
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
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Sephardic from Morocco, well my family is, I was born in New York NY USA. You'd think I could get a tan wouldn't you, nope, I get lobster red, I is a complete whitey. Go figure.
lol it's funny you mention that, people comment that I have a very typical Mizrahi face and my skin is quite light especially in the winter though I get dark brown in the sun and do not normally burn. My mother is medium tone, and my dad was a dark complexion but yet I am lighter than both of them. My hair is also light to medium brown but my mothers hair is light brown, my dads hair was black and curly yet I don't seem to really have curly hair, more wavy. I do have black eyes though, and I do mean black, not dark brown.
On a side note, this is interesting.
Some Sephardic Jews from Spain, Portugal, and Turkey also found their way to Poland and Romania and intermarried with Ashkenazic Jews. This has been confirmed by investigating numerous individual families' genealogies, some of which have Sephardic surnames and oral traditions of Sephardic ancestry. The Rappaport families came from northern Italy to eastern Europe, but one theory contends that they originated in Oporto, Portugal. Other Sephardic surnames include Peretz and Basson. The existence of Sephardic Jews in Poland and Russia is briefly cited in the famous genealogy books by Dan Rottenberg (Finding Our Fathers) and Arthur Kurzweil (From Generation to Generation). An example of a town where Sephardic Jews settled is Zamosc in Poland.
Ashkenazi Jews migrated to Turkey where the vast majority were Sephardi Jews. This is noted in the Teshuvot (Halachic Responsa) of Rabbi Nathan Adler (rebbe of the Chatham Sofer), whom they ask what they should do about their custom of nusah tefillah and davening. They ask, should we maintain our own nusah (nusah Ashkenaz) and create a separate kehilla to daven separately from the already existing kehilla of Sephardi Jews, or should we adopt their nusah tefilla and join their existing kehilla? He advises them to join the existing kehilla and adopt their nusah. This point is particularly relevant given what Muman is trying to claim about what "most rabbis advise" nowadays.
It is also well known that waves of Ashkenazim joined the majority Sephardim in Morocco.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
Maybe it's out of shame or something, I know a lot of people from like India and Pakistan pretend they are from Mexico because they don't like their culture or background. It's so weird hearing someone from Bombay say "Yo Esse!"
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
hehehe. Yes, really. Your comment reeks of it (I bolded the key, telling parts). It sounds like you have some irrational need to reinforce your own practice or your own decision, or else to promote that particular choice among others. What are you so worried about?
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Here is a discussion of the differences of Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews...
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/ashkseph.htm
Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews
Level: Basic
The pages in this site were originally written from an Ashkenazic Jewish perspective, but they are currently being rewritten from a more universal Torah viewpoint. Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe. Sephardic Jews are the Jews of Spain, Portugal, North Africa, and the Middle East. The word "Ashkenazic" is derived from the Hebrew word for Germany. The word "Sephardic" is derived from the Hebrew word for Spain.
Most Jews in the US today are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe in the mid-1800s, although most of the early Jewish settlers of this country were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in the city of Philadelphia, Congregation Mikveh Israel, was a Sephardic one (it is still active).
The beliefs of Sephardic Judaism are basically in accord with those of Orthodox Judaism, though Sephardic interpretations of halakhah (Jewish Law) are somewhat different from Ashkenazic ones. Although some individual Sephardic Jews are less observant than others, and some individuals do not agree with all of the beliefs of traditional Judaism, there is no formal, organized differentiation into movements as there is in Ashkenazic Judaism.
Historically, Sephardic Jews have been more integrated into the local non-Jewish culture than Ashkenazic Jews. In the Christian lands where Ashkenazic Judaism flourished, the tension between Christians and Jews was great, and Jews tended to be isolated from their non-Jewish neighbors, either voluntarily or involuntarily. In the Islamic lands where Sephardic Judaism developed, no such segregation existed. Sephardic Jewish thought and culture was strongly influenced by Arabic and Greek philosophy and science.
Sephardic Jews have a different pronunciation of a few Hebrew vowels and one Hebrew consonant, though most Ashkenazim are adopting Sephardic pronunciation now because it is the pronunciation used in Israel. See Hebrew Alphabet. Their prayer services are somewhat different from Ashkenazic ones, and they use different melodies in their services. Sephardic Jews also have different holiday customs and different traditional foods.
The Yiddish language, which many people think of as the international language of Judaism, is really the language of Ashkenazic Jews. Sephardic Jews have their own international language: Ladino, which was based on Spanish and Hebrew in the same way that Yiddish was based on German and Hebrew.
There are some Jews who do not fit into this Ashkenazic/Sephardic distinction. Yemenite Jews (including people on Mechon Mamre's staff), Ethiopian Jews (also known as Beta Israel and sometimes called Falashas), and Oriental Jews also have some distinct customs and traditions. These groups, however, are relatively small and almost unknown in the West.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
Maybe it's out of shame or something, I know a lot of people from like India and Pakistan pretend they are from Mexico because they don't like their culture or background. It's so weird hearing someone from Bombay say "Yo Esse!"
Are you honestly suggesting that for an Ashkenazi Jew to adopt Sephardi customs has to be out of shame or guilt? You really don't view your own heritage very favorably do you? No one would want to adopt any part of it? Wow.
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
hehehe. Yes, really. Your comment reeks of it (I bolded the key, telling parts). It sounds like you have some irrational need to reinforce your own practice or your own decision, or else to promote that particular choice among others. What are you so worried about?
KWRBT,
I am surprised that you are acting like this... I did not say that either minhag is 'the correct' minhag.... You should know better than to attribute this to me. As I said I am open to every Jew regardless of their minhag, and I have no real desire to force anyone to observe the Minhag which my ancestors kept. I hope you understand what I am saying and the reason I commented to the original statement.
PS: I vaguely remember that you said you adopted Sephardic customs because you consider them to be 'more Jewish' than the Ashkenazic customs. I dont want to reopen that discussion but I understand why you did this. I do not question your reasons...
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
Maybe it's out of shame or something, I know a lot of people from like India and Pakistan pretend they are from Mexico because they don't like their culture or background. It's so weird hearing someone from Bombay say "Yo Esse!"
Are you honestly suggesting that for an Ashkenazi Jew to adopt Sephardi customs has to be out of shame or guilt? You really don't view your own heritage very favorably do you? No one would want to adopt any part of it? Wow.
No, didn't say that but the Ashkenazi take the worse abuse of all the Jewish ethnic divisions from outsiders from the "Khazar" theories to the shoah. The Russian Jews are still somewhat looked down on by a lot of the other groups, geopolitical primarily in Israel.
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No, didn't say that but the Ashkenazi take the worse abuse of all the Jewish ethnic divisions from outsiders from the "Khazar" theories to the shoah. The Russian Jews are still somewhat looked down on by a lot of the other groups, geopolitical primarily in Israel.
LOL, you're joking right?
Ashkenazim have always had the "upper hand" politically over Sephardi and other Jews. See Israeli history.
In any case, I just gave you a perfectly rational reason why Ashkenazim would adopt Sephardi custom in the example I cited about Turkey. Note that it has to do with halachic permissibility, choosing community unity and brotherhood over divisiveness, and nothing to do with shame. Halachic permissibility (along with practicality) was always the major relevant factor in Jewish history until recently. (two things lamentably lost in today's discourse to our great dismay).
However it is also relevant to note that these decisions can involve relevant issues of historical/linguistic accuracy and truth in general. It is also well known that Rabbi Nathan Adler himself, a full-fledged Ashkenazi Jew, adopted the Sephardi pronunciation of several Hebrew letters because it was superior to the Ashkenazi pronunciation and in his mind, linguistically and grammatically correct, while the version he was taught was incorrect. This of course was back before the "cultural assimilation" of Medinat Yisrael and the destruction of proper Hebrew pronunciation among even Sephardi Jews.
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I am worried this is becoming a Ashkenazi Vs Sephardic argument. We should not be fighting between Jews. I did not say anything to insult or degrade the wonderful Sephardic Jews... KWRBT seems to be getting argumentative concerning the fact I was puzzled why an Ashkenazi Jew would adopt Sephardic customs. There was no implication that either minhag is the correct one... Only the question why someone would turn their backs on a long and rich Jewish culture....
KWRBT please do not blow this issue out of proportion....
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Im a Chassidic Ashkenazi Jew, whos family immigrated to USA from Ukraine and Poland in the 1910s...
have a friend whose now Sephardi/Mizrahi, his parents from Ukraine, he told me that Yosef Karo had one desencended who moved to Europe modern day Ukraine
Interesting, though I don't know why any Chassid would want to change to Sephardi because we have a rich culture... I am a follower of Breslov whos Gadol is Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, a great grandson of the Bal Shem Tov, the father of Chassidus...
Sephardi is also a rich culture.
That is not my point.... i respect fully Sephardi culture, and I have said I have many Sephardi friends in my minyan.... But my puzzlement was due to the fact that the person he mentioned has an Ashkenazi background... Most Jews will follow the minhag which their family has kept... We have discussed this before and there may be reasons a person would follow the other minhag, but most Rabbis will still recommend keeping the minhag of the family.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure.
No, not really.... Just it is a little odd for people to change like that...
hehehe. Yes, really. Your comment reeks of it (I bolded the key, telling parts). It sounds like you have some irrational need to reinforce your own practice or your own decision, or else to promote that particular choice among others. What are you so worried about?
KWRBT,
I am surprised that you are acting like this... I did not say that either minhag is 'the correct' minhag.... You should know better than to attribute this to me. As I said I am open to every Jew regardless of their minhag, and I have no real desire to force anyone to observe the Minhag which my ancestors kept. I hope you understand what I am saying and the reason I commented to the original statement.
I was just making an observation. I never suggested that you said either was "correct." So you're right, I do know better than to attribute that to you - because I didn't. I try not to attribute inaccurate things to people - any people.
I also never suspected you of forcing anyone to observe minhag your ancestors kept. What I did infer was a certain defensiveness behind your "puzzlement," which I found a bit curious. I thought it was expressed in the words you wrote.
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*sniff sniff I smell a troll*
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PS: I vaguely remember that you said you adopted Sephardic customs because you consider them to be 'more Jewish' than the Ashkenazic customs. I dont want to reopen that discussion but I understand why you did this. I do not question your reasons...
This is more than a slight misrepresentation of reality, (not to mention over-simplification), but I've come to understand why you would have no interest to open a discussion of that nature.
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*sniff sniff I smell a troll*
I do not think Mizrahi4Life is a troll.. He just doesn't understand how things work at JTF...
We get along with all kinds of righteous Gentiles, some of them may be Christian, some of them may be Hindu, every one of the main JTF members appears to me to be a righteous individual.
There will always be friction within a group of people who have such brilliant heads on their shoulders, and we look forward to the challenge of answering questions and solving problems. We must not spend very much time fighting between ourselves.
I hope that Mizrahi4Life will end up being a good JTF member...
PS: KWRBT if you would like we can discuss this in Private Messages... I dont really want to have a machlokes with you at this time...
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*sniff sniff I smell a troll*
dr why you assume i'm a troll?
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we all G-d's children Jewish or Gentile, but we Jews (Ashkenaz, Sephardi, Mizrahi, or Convert) are a family.
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Gentile/Christian/member of CUFI, MEF, ZOA, Jewish Policy Center, The Freedom Center and Conservative all the way/supporter of Israel-America-and Freedom- anti-Sharia Law takeover.
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Gentile/Christian/member of CUFI, MEF, ZOA, Jewish Policy Center, The Freedom Center and Conservative all the way/supporter of Israel-America-and Freedom- anti-Sharia Law takeover.
its great to know that many Gentiles support Israel and the Jewish people
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*sniff sniff I smell a troll*
ugghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!1
Is he or she posting pictures of dead Jews or whatever?
Is he or she making wild accusations against,Israeli,Jews or whatever?
I don't think so.
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Christian/Catholic/Gentile/ American born from Italian parts.
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Ashkenazic and Gaelic but 100% Jewish.
By the way I love Sefardim.
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*sniff sniff I smell a troll*
ugghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!1
Is he or she posting pictures of dead Jews or whatever?
Is he or she making wild accusations against,Israeli,Jews or whatever?
I don't think so.
thank you friend my first name is Yaniv (male name)
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Ashkenazi, my mother's family was from Poland and my father's was from the Ukraine.
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Ashkenazi, my mother's family was from Poland and my father's was from the Ukraine.
Shalom Brother,
You describe my family exactly... Mothers family from Poland, Fathers from Ukraine... Maybe we have a common ancestor :)
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I am an Ashkenazi Jew. My grandparents were from Russia, Romania and Poland. Woody Allen, Larry David, Allen Dershowitz or Goldberg (the wrestler) could easily be in my family with that look.
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I am an Ashkenazi Jew. My grandparents were from Russia, Romania and Poland. Woody Allen, Larry David, Allen Dershowitz or Goldberg (the wrestler) could easily be in my family with that look.
Very interesting... Romania comes up AGAIN.... My boss is a very nice Romanian man whom while I was driving home tonight I ran into at the gas station while filling up, seeing him there got me thinking about Romania... Today an IDF helicopter crashed in Romania killing 6 Israelis and a Romanian.. And now I read this thread where you are part Romanian... My experience with those Romanians at my work is a good one...
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I do not consider myself part Romanian at all. Nor do I consider myself part Russian or part Polish. That's because I'm not. I'm 100% Jewish. The fact that my mother's mother lived in Romania does not make me Romanian. They were Jews who happened to live in those countries. If a Jewish family from New York moved to France, would they be French? Thanks to vicious anti-Semitism all over the world, Jews fled all over the place. But if they married other wandering Jews and remained Jews, then their children were also Jewish, and they never became "French", or "Polish" or "Romanian", etc. I was never even in Romania.
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I do not consider myself part Romanian at all. Nor do I consider myself part Russian or part Polish. That's because I'm not. I'm 100% Jewish. The fact that my mother's mother lived in Romania does not make me Romanian. They were Jews who happened to live in those countries. If a Jewish family from New York moved to France, would they be French? Thanks to vicious anti-Semitism all over the world, Jews fled all over the place. But if they married other wandering Jews and remained Jews, then their children were also Jewish, and they never became "French", or "Polish" or "Romanian", etc. I was never even in Romania.
What I mean is that there are 'Romanian' Ashkenazi Jews, 'Polish' Ashkenazi Jews, 'Ukrainian' Ashkenazi Jews... Etc...
I am not saying that you are ethnically Romanian... The history of Jews in Romania is about as bad in Ukraine... In the city of Uman there was a pogrom which killed 20,000 Jews {according to some reports}...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Uman
Massacre of Uman
The Masscre of Uman was the 1768 massacre of the Jews and Poles at Uman, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by the Ukrainian Haidamak rebel army.
Uman was a well-fortified town that held a large garrison part of Polish troops. This fact made Uman one of the primary targets of Koliyivschyna movement, and, probably, the siege of Uman was planned well in advance. Ivan Gonta, an officer in the private militia of Count Franciszek Salezy Potocki (composed of Registered Cossacks) was accused of connections with haidamakas by local Jewish community three months before the siege; however, due to the lack of hard evidence and the sudden death of a star witness on his road to Uman no formal charges were made. Although Ivan Gonta was de-facto the commander of Uman cossacks he was not the most senior in their ranks.
In early June of 1768 the Ukrainian rebels under the command of Maksym Zalizniak marched on Uman after capturing Cherkasy, Korsun and Kaniv. As Zalizniak openly encouraged the slaughter of Jews and Poles, the town was filled with refugees. A large camp filled with Polish nobility and their private militia, regular soldiers and Jewish refugees was stationed outside the city walls. Polish troops that outnumbered the forces of rebels, and, therefore it was decided that some of the forces should guard the ramparts while Gonta with his cossack unit would meet the Haidamakas in open battle. However, when Gonta met Zalizniak's units he openly declared that he is going to join Koliyivschyna. Some sources claim that the formal commanders of the unit were sent back to Uman, although the authenticity of the story is highly disputed.
The united troops razed the encampment on June 14th and tried to penetrate the ramparts by consealing the rebels behind the backs of Gonta's Registered Cossacks. However, the attempt failed, and so the siege started on June 17th. The very first day large number of Ukrainians deserted the ranks of Polish forces and joined the rebels when the city was surrounded.
After three days of the siege the city fell to Zalizniak in spite of a courageous defence in which the Jews also played an active role. The tragic event occurred after the betrayal of commandant Mladanovitch, who wanted to buy the lives of Poles betraying Jews to Zaliznak and Gonta. This evolved into the violent and bloody massacre (where Mladanovitch was himself killed). The Jews then gathered in the synagogues, where they were led by Leib Shargorodski and Moses Menaker in an attempt to defend themselves, but they were destroyed by cannon fire. Most of the remaining Jews in the city were subsequently killed.
Most historians give an estimate of number of Poles and Jews who were killed in the “massacre of Uman” to be between 2,000[1] and 20,000[2]. According to Breslov the number of Poles and Jews massacred was 33,000[3]. The same estimate is given by Gonta during his trial.
The anniversary of the commencement of the massacre, Tammuz 5, henceforth known as the “Evil Decree of Uman,” was observed as a fast and by a special prayer. Nachman of Breslov settled in Uman, and before his death there, he said, “the souls of the martyrs (slaughtered by Gonta) await me”. After his death in 1811, the Hasidim of Breslov have come to visit his grave, especially for Rosh Hashana. Crowds of up to 30,000 have come at a time.
Here is an entry called "History of Jews of Romania"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Jews
Before and after World War I
The Synagogue of Braşov (built 1901)
The emigration of Romanian Jews on a larger scale commenced soon after 1878; numbers rose and fell, with a major wave of Bessarabian Jews after the Kishinev pogrom in Imperial Russia (1905). The Jewish Encyclopedia wrote in 1905, shortly before the pogrom, "It is admitted that at least 70 per cent would leave the country at any time if the necessary traveling expenses were furnished". There are no official statistics of emigration; but it is safe to place the minimum number of Jewish emigrants from 1898 to 1904 at 70,000.
Land issues and predominantly Jewish presence among estate leaseholders accounted for the 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt, partly anti-Semitic in message.[41] During the same period, the anti-Jewish message first expanded beyond its National Liberal base (where it was soon an insignificant attitude),[42] to cover the succession of more radical and Moldavian-based organizations founded by A.C. Cuza (his Democratic Nationalist Party, created in 1910, had the first anti-Semitic program in Romanian political history).[43] No longer present in the PNL's ideology by the 1920s, anti-Semitism also tended to surface in on the left-wing of the political spectrum, in currents originating in Poporanism - which favoured the claim that peasants were being systematically exploited by Jews.[44]
World War I, during which 882 Jewish soldiers died defending Romania (and 825 were decorated), brought about the creation of Greater Romania after the 1919 Paris Peace Conference and subsequent treaties. The enlarged state had an increased Jewish population, corresponding with the addition of communities in Bessarabia, Bukovina, and Transylvania. On signing the treaties, Romania agreed to change its policy towards the Jews, promising to award them both citizenship and minority rights, the effective emancipation of Jews.[38] The 1923 Constitution of Romania sanctioned these requirements, meeting opposition from Cuza's National-Christian Defense League and rioting by far right students in Iaşi;[45] the land reform carried out by the Ion I. C. Brătianu cabinet also settled problems connected with land tenancy.
Political representation for the Jewish community in the inter-war period was divided between the Jewish Party and the Federation of Jewish Communities of Romania[46] (the latter was re-established after 1989). During the same period, a division in ritual became apparent between Reform Jews in Transylvania and usually Orthodox ones in the rest of the country[47] (while Bessarabia was the most open to Zionism and especially the socialist Labor Zionism).
The popularity of anti-Jewish messages was, nevertheless, on the rise, and merged itself with the appeal of fascism in the late 1920s - both contributed to the creation and success of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu's Iron Guard and the appearance of new types of anti-Semitic discourses (Trăirism and Gândirism). The idea of a Jewish quota in higher education became highly popular among Romanian students and teachers.[48] According to Andrei Oişteanu's analysis, a relevant number of right-wing intellectuals refused to adopt overt anti-Semitism, which was ill-reputed through its association with A. C. Cuza's violent discourse; nevertheless, a few years later, such cautions were cast aside, and anti-Semitism became displayed as "spiritual health".[49]
The first motion to exclude Jews from professional associations came on May 16, 1937, when the Confederation of the Associations of Professional Intellectuals (Confederaţia Asociaţiilor de Profesionişti Intelectuali din România) voted to exclude all Jewish members from its affiliated bodies, calling for the state to withdraw their licenses and reassess their citizenship.[50] Although illegal, the measure was popular and it was commented that, in its case, legality had been supplanted by a "heroic decision".[50] According to Oişteanu, the initiative had a direct influence on anti-Semitic regulations passed during the following year.[50]
The threat posed by the Iron Guard, the emergence of Nazi Germany as a European power, and his own fascist sympathies[citation needed], made King Carol II, who was still largely identified as a philo-Semite,[51] adopt racial discrimination as the norm. In the recent election, over 25% of the electorate had voted for explicitly anti-semitic groups (either the Goga-Cuza alliance (9%) or the Iron Guard's political mouthpiece, TPT(16.5%)), and as a result, Carol was forced to let one of the two into his cabinet- he instantly chose the Goga-Cuza alliance over the rabid fascism of the Iron Guard (according to modern historian of the Balkans, Misha Glenny, he also thought that this would "take the sting out of the Guard's tail"). On January 21, 1938, Cuza and Octavian Goga passed a law aimed at reviewing criteria for citizenship (after it cast allegations that previous cabinets had allowed Ukrainian Jews to obtain it illegally),[38] and requiring all Jews who had received citizenship in 1918-1919 to reapply for it (while providing a very short term in which this could be achieved - 20 days);[52]
However, Carol II himself was highly hostile to anti-Semitism. His lover, Elena Lupescu, was Jewish, as were a number of his friends in government, and he soon reverted to his original policies (that is, fiercely opposing the anti-Semites and fascists), but with a newly violent sting. In February 12, 1938, he used the rising violence between political groups as context to seize absolute power (a move which was tacitly supported by the liberals who had come to view him as a lesser evil in comparison to Codreanu's fascist movement). As an authentic Romanian nationalist (albeit, one who had a view of a Westernized, forcefully industrialized Romania at the expense of the peasants whom he viewed with disdain; making him completely the antithesis of the views of Codreanu), Carol was determined that Romania should not fall into the near-absolute economic and political control that many of its neighbors already had, and moved to theatrical resistance against Nazi ideology. The King then arrested the entire leadership of the Iron Guard, on the grounds that they were in the pay of the Nazis, and began using the same accusation against various political opponents, both to solidify his absolute control of the country as well as negatively stigmatize Germany. In November, the fourteen most important fascist leaders (the first of which being Codreanu) were "rinsed" in acid. [53]
However, Carol's policy was doomed by the reluctance of France and Britain to engage the fascist powers of Germany, Italy and Russia (or rather, Stalinist communist, in the case of the latter) in war. Russia attacked Romania and declared annexation of Bukovina and Bessarabia (which was to be renamed Moldova), and when Carol turned to the only possible hope - that is, assistance from the former "eternal foe", Nazi Germany - he was angrily rejected by Hitler personally, who did not have to try hard to remember how Carol had previously humiliated the cause of his ideology. Carol was forced to acknowledge the annexation, leading directly to his overthrow in a coup led by Ion Antonescu.
In 1940, the Ion Gigurtu cabinet adopted Romania's equivalent to the Nuremberg Laws, forbidding Jewish-Christian intermarriage, and defining Jews after racial criteria (a person was Jewish if he or she had a Jewish grandparent on one side of the family).[54]
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Very true. In those days, to be a Jew in Europe, was a very dangerous life. As you pointed out, you could be killed at any time. I feel towards Europe the way I feel towards cancer, a plague, or vermin. I'd live on an inner tube floating in the middle of the ocean before I'd live in Europe.
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75% Russian 25% Czech and Hungarian.
100% Ashkanazi
But I speak modern Israeli Hebrew
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They do have sephardim from Russia and i don't mean Bucharim,Georgian, North kafkaz or any other known Sephardi areas.I had a friend in my gym his last name was Barbara everyone thought he was Italian.He was a Jew who hundreds of yrs back his ancestors Italian Jews immigrated to Russia.G-D knows why anyone normal would move from Italy to Russia
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Mizrachi. My ancestry is Iranian.
Hey Lisa Me as well.
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Nice to see that we have several Iranian Jews here.
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Am I the only "Russo" Jew here :(
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I am an Ashkenazi Jew. My grandparents were from Russia, Romania and Poland. Woody Allen, Larry David, Allen Dershowitz or Goldberg (the wrestler) could easily be in my family with that look.
Very interesting... Romania comes up AGAIN.... My boss is a very nice Romanian man whom while I was driving home tonight I ran into at the gas station while filling up, seeing him there got me thinking about Romania... Today an IDF helicopter crashed in Romania killing 6 Israelis and a Romanian.. And now I read this thread where you are part Romanian... My experience with those Romanians at my work is a good one...
Just wish people would stop thinking Romanians are Gypsies.
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100% Christian/Gentile here.
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I do not consider myself part Romanian at all. Nor do I consider myself part Russian or part Polish. That's because I'm not. I'm 100% Jewish. The fact that my mother's mother lived in Romania does not make me Romanian. They were Jews who happened to live in those countries. If a Jewish family from New York moved to France, would they be French? Thanks to vicious anti-Semitism all over the world, Jews fled all over the place. But if they married other wandering Jews and remained Jews, then their children were also Jewish, and they never became "French", or "Polish" or "Romanian", etc. I was never even in Romania.
I suppose but what about people who converted who do not have physical ancestry to Israel? My mom doesn't have physical ancestry to Israel, she's French and German by ethnicity but converted to Judaism, my dad is Jewish, his last name is Jewish origin, and his origins trace back to Aaron.
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Am I the only "Russo" Jew here :(
There's about 2.5 million of them in New York.