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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on August 29, 2010, 05:53:18 AM
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Land of Israel:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/STrH3CwRywI/AAAAAAAAG-o/jPAkX1L10e8/s400/greater_israel.gif)
The Arab occupation of our land:
(http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/israel_bordering_states_pol_1970.jpg)
The Arabs have been stealing our land since the days of Muhammad. From the flourishing towns and settlements of the Israelites in today's Syria and Lebanon, a desert was created - justifying Winston Churchill's saying "wherever the Arab comes, the desert comes" - an occupation of rape, mass conversion, destruction and murder of more than 1,400 years has been taking place. The Jew is busy crying about Black and Indian civil rights in America, about the situation of the Tibetians in China, but no tear has been shed for G-D's bleeding land.
As the descendants of King David and Solomon the liberators, of Zerubbabel the awakener, of Joshua the conqueror, of Judah Maccabee and his brothers the freedom fighters and the ultimate examples of Jewish bravery, this is a fight we should never abandon. The destiny of our nation and land is our responsibility as the children of Israel, representatives of G-D on Earth. The enemy outnumbers us in numbers and weapons, but you shall have no worries - hope and trust we have put in G-D, G-D who got us back home, to our beloved, missed Zion, G-D who liberated us from the yoke of Egypt, Nazi Germany, Assyria and Babylon, Greece and Rome, the Soviet Union and the British Empire, He will save us from the enemies of the generation - the Islamic Amalekites.
The differences between us should be put aside because they are not relevant - a Jew is a Jew, whether his ancestors were expelled from Israel to Russia or to Morroco, to Ethiopia or to Persia. Unity is the key for victory - division destroyed the Second Temple, unity will raise the Third Temple. Remove the Sword from your brother and point it against the enemy - for he who has the Sword will have the Land.
Resist!
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Believe all of that land from the Nile to the Euphrates was stolen by the enemies of the Jewish people the Arabs. One day the Jews will take that land back.
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What do you do about the majority of world Jews, whose concern is directed towards every third-world rabble out there exclusively?
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My biggest concern is how are we going to kick the Arabs out of that area? For example, Syria has 22 million people and Iraq has 30 million people.
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What do you do about the majority of world Jews, whose concern is directed towards every third-world rabble out there exclusively?
In this spiritually ill generation, trust in G-D and morals are far from being dominant. Jews fear blood and meat more than they fear G-D and they want to be "popular" - or in other words, slaves of the evil that reigns in the world today. When the world feels contempt for the Jews, most of the Jews will feel the same. Who wants to be a part of a nation without honor and self-respect? this leads to assimilation .
The greatest flows of Aliyah and Jewish pride took place when Jews fought in masses, through deeds (during the time of the JDL, the victories of the liberty fighters Irgun and Stern Gang, the Partisans, Six Days War, Independence War) - not just words. I believe that the Resistance and recovery of the Jewish people will grow as the gains grow. The more that the light for the Jewish people - our movement, for examples - loses, the more Jews we lose. The opposite, the more we gain. We should focus on Jewish pride and national respect, for Judaism to become more acceptable for Galut and Israeli Jews. We cannot lose them - the spiritual Holocaust will stop only when the physical Holocaust will stop.
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My biggest concern is how are we going to kick the Arabs out of that area? For example, Syria has 22 million people and Iraq has 30 million people.
Strike with might --- we will have to learn the lesson of the Dir Yassin "massacare"... The Jews won a great victory and the Arab media reported that a horrendous massacre has taken place there: women were raped, husbands and sons slaughtered like sheep and the whole villaged was wiped off. (Sadly) this was false, but the very rumor made tens, if not hunderds, of thousands of Arabs run away to Jordan and Syria.
Only the al-Majnoonun (the crazy ones) win wars with Arabs.
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My biggest concern is how are we going to kick the Arabs out of that area? For example, Syria has 22 million people and Iraq has 30 million people.
Strike with might --- we will have to learn the lesson of the Dir Yassin "massacare"... The Jews won a great victory and the Arab media reported that a horrendous massacre has taken place there: women were raped, husbands and sons slaughtered like sheep and the whole villaged was wiped off. (Sadly) this was false, but the very rumor made tens, if not hunderds, of thousands of Arabs run away to Jordan and Syria.
Only the al-Majnoonun (the crazy ones) win wars with Arabs.
One day, I wish for an Arab-free Israel. That would be very nice.
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Greater Israel, the Promised Land, will take place; HaShem said it, and HaShem both always keeps His word, and never is wrong. Ishmael will be put back in his place, and Jacob will reign the Holy Land.
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Resist with all your strength. The Anti-Christ wants to divide the land given to Abraham and his descendants, he does not want any more Jewish children to be born, and will not give up his aggression. I believe he is close to coming into power. The War of Gog and Magog may not be far away. Faith and obedience to God are Israel's weapons, + the technologies and other Massive surprises israel has in store!
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+Support.
+Awesome Topic.
+Epic win.
-Need moar Israel.
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the Nile and the Euphrates are much longer than that. iv'e calculated, if we were to go over the entire lengths of those 2 rivers, we would control:
israel as it is today
eastern egypt
eastern sudan
ethiopia
eritia
djibouti
somalia
uganda
much of kenya
the entire Arabian peninsula
Kuwait
half of iraq
jordan
lebanon
much of syria
much of turkey
cyprus
and about the people already there, how about just not let them vote?
Wow. That's a lot of land. More than I thought actually.
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the Nile and the Euphrates are much longer than that. iv'e calculated, if we were to go over the entire lengths of those 2 rivers, we would control:
israel as it is today
eastern egypt
eastern sudan
ethiopia
eritia
djibouti
somalia
uganda
much of kenya
the entire Arabian peninsula
Kuwait
half of iraq
jordan
lebanon
much of syria
much of turkey
cyprus
and about the people already there, how about just not let them vote?
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EPIC FAIL
of course what you're saying is false and you don't have any Halachic base for that.
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Believe all of that land from the Nile to the Euphrates was stolen by the enemies of the Jewish people the Arabs. One day the Jews will take that land back.
Amen!
That Zionist dream will be fulfilled one day, not only Arabs need be expelled from the Holy Land but they also need to renounce islam.
Israel has the right to EXPAND!
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+Support.
+Awesome Topic.
+Epic win.
-Need moar Israel.
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the Nile and the Euphrates are much longer than that. iv'e calculated, if we were to go over the entire lengths of those 2 rivers, we would control:
israel as it is today
eastern egypt
eastern sudan
ethiopia
eritia
djibouti
somalia
uganda
much of kenya
the entire Arabian peninsula
Kuwait
half of iraq
jordan
lebanon
much of syria
much of turkey
cyprus
and about the people already there, how about just not let them vote?
:::D :::D :::D :::D
EPIC FAIL
of course what you're saying is false and you don't have any Halachic base for that.
That's exactly what I was saying. Why would Israel want to expand into Zululand? (Africa)
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The song of Resistance and fight for Freedom:
Unknown Soldiers / Avraham "Yair" Stern
Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from [our] ranks,
On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest
We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country
From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us
And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever
With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise
(http://0.tqn.com/d/middleeast/1/G/K/6/-/-/0412-irgun-logo.jpg)
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(http://i33.tinypic.com/zjjos7.jpg)
heres what ive calculated
i have some mistakes, im not a cartographer, and ive included the entire nile delta because its hard to define the border of the full land of israel inside the delta
all i did here was trace the 2 rivers and put in everything between them.
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:::D :::D :::D :::D
EPIC FAIL
of course what you're saying is false and you don't have any Halachic base for that.
yes, i do have a halachic basis, i just went on google earth and traced the nile and the euphrates as far as i could
We don't have enough Jews in the world for that. Remember, there are only 15 million Jews in the world.
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I made a map of Israel, America, and Nukia (Mine)
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(http://i33.tinypic.com/zjjos7.jpg)
yes, i do have a halachic basis, i just went on google earth and traced the nile and the euphrates as far as i could
Your "calculation" is invalid and irrelevant because you don't know how to rule Halacha. You've "calculated" it using your limited knowledge of the Written Torah but you don't have the tools of how to rule it. I want ONE Rabbi who will approve your "calculation".
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/Shiur.asp?id=3030
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=3030
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=13115
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=3011
sit and learn.
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I made a map of Israel, America, and Nukia (Mine)
Tambal
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We don't have enough Jews in the world for that. Remember, there are only 15 million Jews in the world.
It's not about numbers. It's about the guidelines of G-D, remember that today we don't have "enough" population for the "little" map I showed in the beginning of the topic and yet they are the real borders.
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I made a map of Israel, America, and Nukia (Mine)
Tambal
I don't know what Tambal means, but I was kidding, as that map I gave is absurd. However, if it actually occurred, I would have no problem, being Emperor of Nukia and all.
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I made a map of Israel, America, and Nukia (Mine)
Tambal
I don't know what Tambal means, but I was kidding, as that map I gave is absurd. However, if it actually occurred, I would have no problem, being Emperor of Nukia and all.
(http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/41540/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg)
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I agree, This is an excellent thread title. We should only have enough people to populate and defend the biblical boundaries
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(http://i33.tinypic.com/zjjos7.jpg)
heres what ive calculated
i have some mistakes, im not a cartographer, and ive included the entire nile delta because its hard to define the border of the full land of israel inside the delta
all i did here was trace the 2 rivers and put in everything between them.
.........
:::D :::D :::D :::D
EPIC FAIL
of course what you're saying is false and you don't have any Halachic base for that.
yes, i do have a halachic basis, i just went on google earth and traced the nile and the euphrates as far as i could
We don't have enough Jews in the world for that. Remember, there are only 15 million Jews in the world.
not accurate, a large chunk of those in the US are "reform" Jews, and a lot of the "Russian Jews" aren't really Jewish, at least not halachically. Most aren't even circumsized.
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In this spiritually ill generation, trust in G-D and morals are far from being dominant. Jews fear blood and meat more than they fear G-D and they want to be "popular" - or in other words, slaves of the evil that reigns in the world today. When the world feels contempt for the Jews, most of the Jews will feel the same. Who wants to be a part of a nation without honor and self-respect? this leads to assimilation .
The greatest flows of Aliyah and Jewish pride took place when Jews fought in masses, through deeds (during the time of the JDL, the victories of the liberty fighters Irgun and Stern Gang, the Partisans, Six Days War, Independence War) - not just words. I believe that the Resistance and recovery of the Jewish people will grow as the gains grow. The more that the light for the Jewish people - our movement, for examples - loses, the more Jews we lose. The opposite, the more we gain. We should focus on Jewish pride and national respect, for Judaism to become more acceptable for Galut and Israeli Jews. We cannot lose them - the spiritual Holocaust will stop only when the physical Holocaust will stop.
I would give anything to see Jews rekindling their proud warrior past, both in Biblical and modern times. Would any average Israelis ever listen to an interested Gentile with such a message?
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In this spiritually ill generation, trust in G-D and morals are far from being dominant. Jews fear blood and meat more than they fear G-D and they want to be "popular" - or in other words, slaves of the evil that reigns in the world today. When the world feels contempt for the Jews, most of the Jews will feel the same. Who wants to be a part of a nation without honor and self-respect? this leads to assimilation .
The greatest flows of Aliyah and Jewish pride took place when Jews fought in masses, through deeds (during the time of the JDL, the victories of the liberty fighters Irgun and Stern Gang, the Partisans, Six Days War, Independence War) - not just words. I believe that the Resistance and recovery of the Jewish people will grow as the gains grow. The more that the light for the Jewish people - our movement, for examples - loses, the more Jews we lose. The opposite, the more we gain. We should focus on Jewish pride and national respect, for Judaism to become more acceptable for Galut and Israeli Jews. We cannot lose them - the spiritual Holocaust will stop only when the physical Holocaust will stop.
I would give anything to see Jews rekindling their proud warrior past, both in Biblical and modern times. Would any average Israelis ever listen to an interested Gentile with such a message?
you'd have a better chance watching a muslim eat a ham sandwhich. Not going to happen.
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My biggest concern is how are we going to kick the Arabs out of that area? For example, Syria has 22 million people and Iraq has 30 million people.
Before we deal with those we need to deal with the Million or so within Israel the 1.5 Million in Judea and Samaria the 1.5 Million in Gaza and the 1.3 Million in the Sinai Peninsula. Then we can deal with the 100 Million in the outer areas.
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(http://i33.tinypic.com/zjjos7.jpg)
heres what ive calculated
i have some mistakes, im not a cartographer, and ive included the entire nile delta because its hard to define the border of the full land of israel inside the delta
all i did here was trace the 2 rivers and put in everything between them.
.........
:::D :::D :::D :::D
EPIC FAIL
of course what you're saying is false and you don't have any Halachic base for that.
yes, i do have a halachic basis, i just went on google earth and traced the nile and the euphrates as far as i could
We don't have enough Jews in the world for that. Remember, there are only 15 million Jews in the world.
not accurate, a large chunk of those in the US are "reform" Jews, and a lot of the "Russian Jews" aren't really Jewish, at least not halachically. Most aren't even circumsized.
im a russian jew.......
and about the reform guys, who says they have to be orthodox?
Hehehe, when they start bringing their women who wear kippas and implant church organs into the synagogue, believe me, you will be saying that too.
And surely since you live in America, you must have met some "JAPs" by now (Jewish American Princess) - the glorious product of the reform movement along with emasculated men and intermarriage fever. You can't possibly want this in Israel... The reform movement is the destruction of the Jewish people.
Reform Jews can be allowed into Israel only if they agree to keep their "movement" and made-up phony religion (and "hanuka bushes" and women wearing kippas) out. (IMO of course).
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i think a monopoly of a single sect over a religion is extremely unhealthy. there need to be opposing views and interpretations so that the religion remains alive and there is no abuse of power. Christianity was dominated by catholicism for ages and look how much they abused power. while Judaism is undoubtedly inspired by G-d, the rabbis are just men, some who will be good and who will be corrupt if given too much power.
Real Judaism has within it opposing views and differing interpretations.
"Reform" is not part of real Judaism and is not an "interpretation" it's a REPUDIATION of our covenant. You need to learn more about what our "religion" is really about and you will see that there are boundaries and reform sits clearly outside the boundaries and disconnected from the legal system and the tradition. But you have to learn to know these things. Don't compare reform to rabbis. That's like comparing an imam or a monk to a rabbi. different religions.
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Next thing you'll tell me you want men wearing dresses because that's a differing "interpretation" of how society is supposed to be, and if society is dominated by only women wearing dresses and men wearing men's clothing, that's a monopoly on societal norms and must be "unhealthy" (whatever that means).
And the example of Catholicism is relevant how? I'm not a Christian and neither are you so it really has nothing to do with us how Christians sort out their clergy etc.
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(http://i33.tinypic.com/zjjos7.jpg)
heres what ive calculated
i have some mistakes, im not a cartographer, and ive included the entire nile delta because its hard to define the border of the full land of israel inside the delta
all i did here was trace the 2 rivers and put in everything between them.
.........
:::D :::D :::D :::D
EPIC FAIL
of course what you're saying is false and you don't have any Halachic base for that.
yes, i do have a halachic basis, i just went on google earth and traced the nile and the euphrates as far as i could
We don't have enough Jews in the world for that. Remember, there are only 15 million Jews in the world.
not accurate, a large chunk of those in the US are "reform" Jews, and a lot of the "Russian Jews" aren't really Jewish, at least not halachically. Most aren't even circumsized.
We don't give up on Jews even reform ones, unless you mean gentiles who supposedly undergo reform conversion. And the Russian Jews are good people, most of the gentiles that came along with them are good people too. But altogether I don't think there are more then 13 millions Jews worldwide, possibly there are as few as 10 million.
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yes, i do have a halachic basis, i just went on google earth and traced the nile and the euphrates as far as i could
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This is not a "Halachic base", it's your calculation based on ignorance.
"In that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: 'Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates; the Kenite, and the Kenizzite, and the Kadmonite; and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Rephaim; and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Girgashite, and the Jebusite."
From the said in the verses above comes a form of definition, which is going to be used in the whole Torah: First of all, there are 2 borderlines which are used as a frame to Eretz Israel, and both are watery borders: The river of Egypt in the South, and the river Euphrates in the North. Second, the areas are decided by the nations inhabiting it. Abraham had been proimsed the land of inhabitation of 10 nations who are: the Kenite, the Kenizzite, the Kadmonite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Rephaim, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Girgashite and the Jebusite.
The commentators of the Torah, in explaning these verses, defined the borders of the Land. The translation of Yonatan Ben Uziel ruled that the river of Egypt is the Nyle. Many commentators used the same method of explaining. Although, ibn Ezra wrote that the river of Egypt is not the Nyle but the Shichor, that some suppose is one of the arms of the Nyle river in a place called Lake Bardawil.
The definition of the three nations: the Kenite, the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite, several commentaries have been written: Rashi explains that these are Edom, Moav and Amon, or in other words the whole of Transjordan...
the Nyle (according to some Poskim) is the Southern border while the Euphrates or Prat in Hebrew is the Northern border, that's first.
So it's no wonder you think it's like this.
You missed the other "terms" for the borders.
seriously, learn it.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=13115#10b
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Reform "Judaism" is closer to Xtianity than to Judaism and should be kept away from Jews in any place, just like pedophillia and Islam.
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my point is that there should not be a central authority. if it can happen to Christianity, it can happen to us, when people are given too much power, they abuse it.
Really, then why does the Torah assert that there should be centralized authority? You know better? Why did the prophets allow there to be a Sanhedrin and not complain against it? Why did some of the prophets actually serve within the Anshei Knesseth Hagedolah? You really have no idea what you're talking about. This is like arguing there should be no police because a police force is a central authority and central authority is evil. Likewise there can be no government. Is the govt not a centralized authority?
btw, im not a huge fan of the reform movement either
Sounds like you are a huge fan. You want to give them power and give them inroads into Israel. Insanity!