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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: CorrieDeservedIt on September 12, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/12/2010-09-12_lemrick_nelson_stabbed_in_the_head_with_ice_pick_19_years_after_knifing_student_.html :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :laugh: :laugh: :::D ;D
Nineteen years after he knifed a Hasidic student to death in the notorious Crown Heights race riots, Lemrick Nelson was stabbed in the head with an ice pick in Manhattan early Sunday.
Nelson, 35, was in stable condition at Harlem Hospital.
Police believe the cause was road rage: Nelson was coming over the George Washington Bridge from his home in New Jersey when a traffic dispute apparently boiled over into a physical confrontation.
Nelson was found lying unconscious outside his car on a bridge ramp near W. 168th St. just after 2 a.m.
An ice pick was found nearby. There was no sign of his attacker.
The family of Yankel Rosenbaum, the Jewish Orthodox doctoral student Nelson stabbed in the riots, called it Tanach justice.
"Thou who drowns someone else, will drown," said Isaac Abraham, a spokesman for the Rosenbaum family. "It is now that the stabber gets stabbed. To Nelson, a crime with a knife involved is like bagel and lox."
On Aug. 19, 1991, Nelson, then 16, was one of a group of young black men who rampaged through Crown Heights after Yosef Lifsh, a 22-year-old Hasidic Jew, accidentally ran down and killed Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old Guyanese boy.
The group threw rocks and bottles, then surrounded Rosenbaum, 29, a student from Australia who had nothing to do with the car accident.
Rosenbaum was stabbed several times in the back. Before he died, he identified Nelson as his attacker.
Three days of riots followed, exposing long-simmering tensions between the black and Jewish communities in Crown Heights.
Nelson, who years later admitted that he stabbed Rosenbaum, was acquitted at his first murder trial and walked away from a second trial that ended in a hung jury.
He was convicted in federal court of violating Rosenbaum's civil rights and served 10 years. He left prison in 2004.
In May, Nelson was quoted as saying that he had a toddler daughter and was living the quiet life of a sober family man in Hillside, N.J.
He went by "Ricky" and his neighbors did not know about his past at the heart of one of the city's darkest days.
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It's too bad that more jiglets weren't run over that day. As in the entire under-10 black population of NYC.
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Sounds kind of professional no sign of attacker. Sorry to hear he might recover.
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It's too bad that more jiglets weren't run over that day. As in the entire under-10 black population of NYC.
If JTF ever takes off statements like that will be used by our enemies to set us back years.
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Too bad that filthy waste of protoplasm Nelson will live.
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If JTF ever takes off statements like that will be used by our enemies to set us back years.
In your heart you know we are right and in your guts you know they are nuts. Why should we fear speaking the truth?
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It's too bad that more jiglets weren't run over that day. As in the entire under-10 black population of NYC.
saying you want all black children under 10 to be run over is nuts.
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Less than 1% of those black children won't grow up to be white-hating anti-Semite thugs. Not only do we know that, but the establishment machine knows it too.
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It is a terrible thing for Lemerdick Nelson to have been stabbed in the head.
Whoever did it should have stabbed him in a vital area.
I would have stuck the icepick right up his fracas!
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cops B on look out 4 Icepick Willie!
Willie! go 'dat hos'pituh roome an' stick him 'gin!
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Sounds kind of professional no sign of attacker. Sorry to hear he might recover.
What professional would stab a creature like that in the head :::D ... The ice pick would have to be made out of titanium :::D I am sure the injury ended up being nothing more then a flesh wound... >:(
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If JTF ever takes off statements like that will be used by our enemies to set us back years.
In your heart you know we are right and in your guts you know they are nuts. Why should we fear speaking the truth?
Truth? That we favor the violent killing of every Black child? Yeah that is the winning ticket to being taken seriously.
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Truth? That we favor the violent killing of every Black child? Yeah that is the winning ticket to being taken seriously.
The truth is that more than 99% of blacks are scum of the earth even as kids. If you deny that you are choosing to live in a fantasy. Stray dogs know that. The lizard that lives inside the tree know that. Barack Hussein Osama himself knows that.
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Truth? That we favor the violent killing of every Black child? Yeah that is the winning ticket to being taken seriously.
The truth is that more than 99% of blacks are scum of the earth even as kids. If you deny that you are choosing to live in a fantasy. Stray dogs know that. The lizard that lives inside the tree know that. Barack Hussein Osama himself knows that.
There is no doubt that Blacks disproportionately live in a degraded culture in terms of criminality and illegitimacy. However, White people are catching up. And your 99% figure does not in any way or shape square with my experience and observations.
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And this is the whole problem with your ridiculous over the top statements. You turn the debate away from things we could truly hope to accomplish to your sick fantasies. My hope for you is that you are young enough to someday know better.
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And this is the whole problem with your ridiculous over the top statements. You turn the debate away from things we could truly hope to accomplish to your sick fantasies. My hope for you is that you are young enough to someday know better.
Excuse me? Somebody who is proudly secular is lecturing people who are too right wing for him on a religious Jewish forum?
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No I am only speaking to you. You are the only person on this forum who has called for violent death for children.
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No I am only speaking to you. You are the only person on this forum who has called for violent death for children.
Why don't you google Lionel Tate and tell me what wonderful people black children are. And you didn't just speak it to me, you attacked Christian Zionist's thread about Ann Coulter too.
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I think you know that even among Black people and all the criminality they exhibit, Lionel Tate is exceptional. That is why you know his name. That proves nothing. Why don't you take a look at a book like American Abundance which had statistics showing that during the prosperity of the 1990s America's morality statistics such as literacy, abortion, incarceration, home ownership, etc. were showing improvement for all groups including Blacks, in fact Blacks were improving at a faster rate (granted they might have had more room for improvement). However, the point, which Chaim often makes, is that Black people can achieve also if they choose to dedicate themselves to improving themselves. The experience of the 1990s shows that in the right environment they will improve. I am not trying to be a pollyana or a liberal in fact I think I am being the antithesis of a liberal by showing that there is no excuse for the large numbers of Black who do choose to live in a degraded culture.
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secular believer is totally right, while blacks are disproportionately bad, its nowhere near all of them, its not even a majority of them. just because there leaders are bad does not mean they are all bad. think about it, the ADL and those people are bad but that does not mean all jews are bad.
maybe it is because i am in the suburbs, but none of the blacks i know well hate white people. one of my black friends actually speaks out against people who still pull the race card.
to define "bad": anti-semites, anti-whites, and criminals
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I think you know that even among Black people and all the criminality they exhibit, Lionel Tate is exceptional. That is why you know his name. That proves nothing. Why don't you take a look at a book like American Abundance which had statistics showing that during the prosperity of the 1990s America's morality statistics such as literacy, abortion, incarceration, home ownership, etc. were showing improvement for all groups including Blacks, in fact Blacks were improving at a faster rate (granted they might have had more room for improvement). However, the point, which Chaim often makes, is that Black people can achieve also if they choose to dedicate themselves to improving themselves. The experience of the 1990s shows that in the right environment they will improve. I am not trying to be a pollyana or a liberal in fact I think I am being the antithesis of a liberal by showing that there is no excuse for the large numbers of Black who do choose to live in a degraded culture.
When did I ever imply that the black race is inferior or that they cannot help but be evil? Some JTFers have said that from time to time and I have always refuted that. If you have followed me for any length of time you would know that is my belief.
I have nothing but genuine love for black conservatives like Alan Keyes, Pastor Manning, Pastor Peterson, and Dr. Sowell. However, I can promise you that they would admit (probably only to their own family members) that they are literally a drop in the bucket of all black people. Even if they are not "racially" evil, the overwhelming majority of them choose evil. If you doubt me look at the 2008 election results. 98.5% of negroes voted for Barack Hitler Osama.
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I think you know that even among Black people and all the criminality they exhibit, Lionel Tate is exceptional. That is why you know his name. That proves nothing. Why don't you take a look at a book like American Abundance which had statistics showing that during the prosperity of the 1990s America's morality statistics such as literacy, abortion, incarceration, home ownership, etc. were showing improvement for all groups including Blacks, in fact Blacks were improving at a faster rate (granted they might have had more room for improvement). However, the point, which Chaim often makes, is that Black people can achieve also if they choose to dedicate themselves to improving themselves. The experience of the 1990s shows that in the right environment they will improve. I am not trying to be a pollyana or a liberal in fact I think I am being the antithesis of a liberal by showing that there is no excuse for the large numbers of Black who do choose to live in a degraded culture.
When did I ever imply that the black race is inferior or that they cannot help but be evil? Some JTFers have said that from time to time and I have always refuted that. If you have followed me for any length of time you would know that is my belief.
I have nothing but genuine love for black conservatives like Alan Keyes, Pastor Manning, Pastor Peterson, and Dr. Sowell. However, I can promise you that they would admit (probably only to their own family members) that they are literally a drop in the bucket of all black people. Even if they are not "racially" evil, the overwhelming majority of them choose evil. If you doubt me look at the 2008 election results. 98.5% of negroes voted for Barack Hitler Osama.
it is possible to wake them up, like you said, its a culture thing, not a race thing. i think we should stop trying to alienate such a big and growing group of people and instead try to find a mutual interest and become allies. such a mutual interest does exist, black slavery in arab-ruled north africa, we hate the muslims there, we should try to show the blacks who there real enemy is.
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Yankel Rosenbaum is still dead, so I wouldn't use dancing to express what happened. Just a justice symbol.
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it is possible to wake them up, like you said, its a culture thing, not a race thing. i think we should stop trying to alienate such a big and growing group of people and instead try to find a mutual interest and become allies. such a mutual interest does exist, black slavery in arab-ruled north africa, we hate the muslims there, we should try to show the blacks who there real enemy is.
Almost none of them will be woken up. The same is true of Arabs. Arabs could exercise the brain that G-d gave them to turn from their Homo erectus ways and live like human beings, but historically almost none have chosen to. These are people who give their whole lives over to evil from the time they can walk. Look at all of the child Arab suicide bombers that have murdered Israeli soldiers and civilians. Look at the Iraqi tots who dance in the streets and throw around candy when American or British troops are dragged out of their vehicles and burned alive in the town square. Black children by and large are not that much less evil than that. I wish horrible things would happen to every evil person on the planet.
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Yankel Rosenbaum is still dead, so I wouldn't use dancing to express what happened. Just a justice symbol.
I agree.
And let us remember that Yankel Rosenbaum's life was worth more than all of the lives of (evil) negroes in the world.
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Blacks- guilty until proven innocent
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Baruch Hashem.
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It's not in black's material interest to be conservative. Left wing policies have allowed them to get jobs they aren't qualified for, do a minimum of work at those jobs, get free money every time they have another baby, get welfare, WIC, and food stamps, and be catered to in every way possible. Why would they ever want to mess with that?
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I think you know that even among Black people and all the criminality they exhibit, Lionel Tate is exceptional. That is why you know his name. That proves nothing. Why don't you take a look at a book like American Abundance which had statistics showing that during the prosperity of the 1990s America's morality statistics such as literacy, abortion, incarceration, home ownership, etc. were showing improvement for all groups including Blacks, in fact Blacks were improving at a faster rate (granted they might have had more room for improvement). However, the point, which Chaim often makes, is that Black people can achieve also if they choose to dedicate themselves to improving themselves. The experience of the 1990s shows that in the right environment they will improve. I am not trying to be a pollyana or a liberal in fact I think I am being the antithesis of a liberal by showing that there is no excuse for the large numbers of Black who do choose to live in a degraded culture.
But if you killed everyBlack child under 10 you would be killing all the future Sowells, Mannings etc as well as the 80% who will never get arrested in their lives
When did I ever imply that the black race is inferior or that they cannot help but be evil? Some JTFers have said that from time to time and I have always refuted that. If you have followed me for any length of time you would know that is my belief.
I have nothing but genuine love for black conservatives like Alan Keyes, Pastor Manning, Pastor Peterson, and Dr. Sowell. However, I can promise you that they would admit (probably only to their own family members) that they are literally a drop in the bucket of all black people. Even if they are not "racially" evil, the overwhelming majority of them choose evil. If you doubt me look at the 2008 election results. 98.5% of negroes voted for Barack Hitler Osama.
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Until proven otherwise, bad behavior is not determined by genetics but largely depends on your family background, the social environment you grow up in and the education you receive : teach a white child wrong principles and set bad examples to him and it will be difficult for him to become a good person; teach a black child righteous principles and set a good example to him and he will likely become a good person, whatever the color of his skin or his genetical heritage. If you develop in a Black child the taste of studying, the self-esteem that stems from succeeding out of hard work, he will do well like a white child.
That is why the family structure and the educational system are of paramount importance.
The problem with Black children is that a lot of them are exposed to bad influences : their father has gone and abandoned them, their neighbourhoods are riddled with criminality, where the "good" guy is despised and bullied. Children tend to imitate the way adults behave around them. That is how some forms of determinism take root. If Black children had parents who did not let them hang around on the streets surrounded with drugs and guns, if popular culture on television and everywhere did not promote wrong attitudes all the time, if our society as a whole did not glorify selfishness, materialism and decadence, they would become different adults.
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Until proven otherwise, bad behavior is not determined by genetics but largely depends on your family background, the social environment you grow up in and the education you receive : teach a white child wrong principles and set bad examples to him and it will be difficult for him to become a good person; teach a black child righteous principles and set a good example to him and he will likely become a good person, whatever the color of his skin or his genetical heritage. If you develop in a Black child the taste of studying, the self-esteem that stems from succeeding out of hard work, he will do well like a white child.
That is why the family structure and the educational system are of paramount importance.
The problem with Black children is that a lot of them are exposed to bad influences : their father has gone and abandoned them, their neighbourhoods are riddled with criminality, where the "good" guy is despised and bullied. Children tend to imitate the way adults behave around them. That is how some forms of determinism take root. If Black children had parents who did not let them hang around on the streets surrounded with drugs and guns, if popular culture on television and everywhere did not promote wrong attitudes all the time, if our society as a whole did not glorify selfishness, materialism and decadence, they would become different adults.
Of course what you write is completely true but for whatever reason, most blacks and most Arabs, starting as children, become very wicked and malevolent. I think that virtually all of them are lost after they go that way. There are some noble people who attempt interventions, such as by adopting black children, but a lot of the time they are too far gone. I think that by the time they come out into the streets in Crown Heights, chanting "Kill the Hymie" along with their older brothers (even if they don't really know what that means and just figure "hymie" means whitey or whatever), they are basically a lost cause. At that point I can't honestly say that the world is a better place for them being in it.
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Until proven otherwise, bad behavior is not determined by genetics but largely depends on your family background, the social environment you grow up in and the education you receive : teach a white child wrong principles and set bad examples to him and it will be difficult for him to become a good person; teach a black child righteous principles and set a good example to him and he will likely become a good person, whatever the color of his skin or his genetical heritage. If you develop in a Black child the taste of studying, the self-esteem that stems from succeeding out of hard work, he will do well like a white child.
That is why the family structure and the educational system are of paramount importance.
The problem with Black children is that a lot of them are exposed to bad influences : their father has gone and abandoned them, their neighbourhoods are riddled with criminality, where the "good" guy is despised and bullied. Children tend to imitate the way adults behave around them. That is how some forms of determinism take root. If Black children had parents who did not let them hang around on the streets surrounded with drugs and guns, if popular culture on television and everywhere did not promote wrong attitudes all the time, if our society as a whole did not glorify selfishness, materialism and decadence, they would become different adults.
Of course what you write is completely true but for whatever reason, most blacks and most Arabs, starting as children, become very wicked and malevolent. I think that virtually all of them are lost after they go that way. There are some noble people who attempt interventions, such as by adopting black children, but a lot of the time they are too far gone. I think that by the time they come out into the streets in Crown Heights, chanting "Kill the Hymie" along with their older brothers (even if they don't really know what that means and just figure "hymie" means whitey or whatever), they are basically a lost cause. At that point I can't honestly say that the world is a better place for them being in it.
I hope you are wrong, but maybe you're right... To what extent can the damage be repaired ? I don't know. It is true that, beyond a certain degree of corruption of their souls and hearts, things get really messed...
This is one of the many reasons why the ludicrous claim by the Arabs that they want peace with us is a blatant lie when you see the deep hatred they teach to their kids.
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Re: "Until proven otherwise, bad behavior is not determined by genetics but largely depends on your family background, the social environment you grow up in and the education you receive... "
But...What about The Curse of The Monkey's Paw? :o >:(
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I think you know that even among Black people and all the criminality they exhibit, Lionel Tate is exceptional. That is why you know his name. That proves nothing. Why don't you take a look at a book like American Abundance which had statistics showing that during the prosperity of the 1990s America's morality statistics such as literacy, abortion, incarceration, home ownership, etc. were showing improvement for all groups including Blacks, in fact Blacks were improving at a faster rate (granted they might have had more room for improvement). However, the point, which Chaim often makes, is that Black people can achieve also if they choose to dedicate themselves to improving themselves. The experience of the 1990s shows that in the right environment they will improve. I am not trying to be a pollyana or a liberal in fact I think I am being the antithesis of a liberal by showing that there is no excuse for the large numbers of Black who do choose to live in a degraded culture.
When did I ever imply that the black race is inferior or that they cannot help but be evil? Some JTFers have said that from time to time and I have always refuted that. If you have followed me for any length of time you would know that is my belief.
I have nothing but genuine love for black conservatives like Alan Keyes, Pastor Manning, Pastor Peterson, and Dr. Sowell. However, I can promise you that they would admit (probably only to their own family members) that they are literally a drop in the bucket of all black people. Even if they are not "racially" evil, the overwhelming majority of them choose evil. If you doubt me look at the 2008 election results. 98.5% of negroes voted for Barack Hitler Osama.
usually when a person wants to see all the children of a specific group die, they imply that they are inferior or cannot help but be evil.
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Why is "Ricky" out free?
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No I am only speaking to you. You are the only person on this forum who has called for violent death for children.
Why don't you google Lionel Tate and tell me what wonderful people black children are. And you didn't just speak it to me, you attacked Christian Zionist's thread about Ann Coulter too.
Ann Coulter is no more or less a media trollop than anyone else. I know people on here disliked her decision to speak to that gay republican group. She is a very tight writer, and has some keen insights into the double standards that run rampant on the democratic Left. Giuliani was similarly pegged as being 'progay,' but he also did a lot of amazing things for NYC. Unfortunately, some Right wing republicans wouldn't know the sentiment of love if they were backhanded across the face with it.
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Ann Coulter is no more or less a media trollop than anyone else. I know people on here disliked her decision to speak to that gay republican group. She is a very tight writer, and has some keen insights into the double standards that run rampant on the democratic Left. Giuliani was similarly pegged as being 'progay,' but he also did a lot of amazing things for NYC. Unfortunately, some Right wing republicans wouldn't know the sentiment of love if they were backhanded across the face with it.
We know about your issues with Christian Zionist. That doesn't change the fact that Ann Coulter supports out-and-proud gays.
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My problem with the Ann Coulter thread was that multiple posters opined or speculated that she was transgender and sounded serious. That is the type of thing that will be rubbed in Chaim's face if he starts to really gain traction. Are we people who hope to save Israel and Western Civilization or do we want to engage in Junior High School level discourse? We are unlikely to do both.
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We know about your issues with Christian Zionist. That doesn't change the fact that Ann Coulter supports out-and-proud gays.
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With all due respect Dr. Brennanfan,
You are absolutely wrong on that one. I was referring to the visigoth that disinvited her. I know this is not JTF's position. I don't know what Ann's position is on 'out and out gays.' I know that people that are viciously homophobic are not de fact righteous. I also know that people who are more tolerant of gays are not de facto evil. People are complex. If you bring bad things to happen into the world, that's evil. And there are other things besides homosexuality to consider in an assessment of a person's character
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Ann Coulter has been anything but a hero to gays. She is totally against gay marriage, she is not a supporte,r unless you consider someone who is willing to talk to gays, who does not favor persecuting them and is willing to leave them alone if they are not bothering anyone, a supporter. I know Chaim favors punishing homosexual behavior but I have to respectfully disagree with him there. While I find homosexuality distasteful, and from my time in San Franscisco did not find homosexuals particularly charming people, I still cannot see persecuting people for their private behavior.
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Ann Coulter has been anything but a hero to gays. She is totally against gay marriage, she is not a supporte,r unless you consider someone who is willing to talk to gays, who does not favor persecuting them and is willing to leave them alone if they are not bothering anyone, a supporter. I know Chaim favors punishing homosexual behavior but I have to respectfully disagree with him there. While I find homosexuality distasteful, and from my time in San Franscisco did not find homosexuals particularly charming people, I still cannot see persecuting people for their private behavior.
Was that because they were in your face and not just trying to live their lives?
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With all due respect Dr. Brennanfan,
You are absolutely wrong on that one. I was referring to the visigoth that disinvited her. I know this is not JTF's position. I don't know what Ann's position is on 'out and out gays.' I know that people that are viciously homophobic are not de fact righteous. I also know that people who are more tolerant of gays are not de facto evil. People are complex. If you bring bad things to happen into the world, that's evil. And there are other things besides homosexuality to consider in an assessment of a person's character
What do you have against Joseph Farah? I don't like it that he humors Pat Buchanan, but everything he has said and done is right-on.
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Ann Coulter has been anything but a hero to gays. She is totally against gay marriage, she is not a supporte,r unless you consider someone who is willing to talk to gays, who does not favor persecuting them and is willing to leave them alone if they are not bothering anyone, a supporter. I know Chaim favors punishing homosexual behavior but I have to respectfully disagree with him there. While I find homosexuality distasteful, and from my time in San Franscisco did not find homosexuals particularly charming people, I still cannot see persecuting people for their private behavior.
Was that because they were in your face and not just trying to live their lives?
Exactly, I had no problem with gay guys who did their thing behind closed doors and did not remind everyone they were gay all the time. One older male secretary I worked with was very openly gay but never explicitly said so to the point that I honestly did not know he was gay. One time when a confirmed bachelor got married he told me in the most fatherly fashion "sometimes when a man meets the right woman he changes his ideas".
On the other hand I worked near Castro Street (the gay center) and there was a shop that had a huge picture of a naked man in the window with a ring around his penis. I complained and said I would call the police. Straight people didn't publicly display naked pictures of women is shop windows. Coincidentally the shop owner took the picture down around that time and everyone assumed I had called the police.
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With all due respect Dr. Brennanfan,
You are absolutely wrong on that one. I was referring to the visigoth that disinvited her. I know this is not JTF's position. I don't know what Ann's position is on 'out and out gays.' I know that people that are viciously homophobic are not de fact righteous. I also know that people who are more tolerant of gays are not de facto evil. People are complex. If you bring bad things to happen into the world, that's evil. And there are other things besides homosexuality to consider in an assessment of a person's character
What do you have against Joseph Farah? I don't like it that he humors Pat Buchanan, but everything he has said and done is right-on.
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He does more than humor Buchanan, he carries Buchanan's columns in World Net Daily. That is the problem with looking at things so simply when we live in a complicated world. Do you want to disown Farah for that? I don't. I wish he did not rub elbows with Buchanan just as I wish Sarah Palin did not support Rand Paul, or at least called him to task for his involvement with StørmFrønt. Still we will never find anyone who agrees with us 100%, we don't even agree with each other 100%. We need to add up the pluses and minuses and make a judgment call.