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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rubystars on September 16, 2010, 07:12:32 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39221785/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
This woman lied about the black woman who splashed her. She did it to herself. I guess the fake story was so believable because blacks have committed so many random acts of violence in the past, and are raised to hate white people. I don't think most white people are raised to hate any other race.
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
I wasn't raised to hate Jews. I am sure that being visibly different will bring out the anti-Semites though.
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What a nutcase!
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
I wasn't raised to hate Jews. I am sure that being visibly different will bring out the anti-Semites though.
But my parents aren't. That's actually the way they were able to experience so many things. The people around my mother didn't realize she was Jewish!
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What a weirdo.
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
Tell me about their background and how the anti-Semitism came up.
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
I wasn't raised to hate Jews. I am sure that being visibly different will bring out the anti-Semites though.
But my parents aren't. That's actually the way they were able to experience so many things. The people around my mother didn't realize she was Jewish!
That's such a shame. For what it's worth I haven't really heard anyone talking about Jews around me. I don't think most people in this region of the country really think that much one way or the other about Jews. That could be partly because we don't see very many of them though. The only anti-Semite that I ever met here was from California and I think he was motivated by a bunch of anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, so he was an anti-Semite because of that, not because he'd been taught to be one by his family.
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i have known of a few anti semitic whites, but the most anti jewish people ive ever met are muslims and blacks.
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My family thinks of Jews pretty much the same way they do Asians--disciplined people who achieve great success because of hard work. But they don't understand why anyone who is not Jewish should feel a great passion for Jewish things (any more than they would Asians, blacks, etc.).
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Bethany Stotto is the Ashley Todd of 2010! :laugh: :::D
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
KWRBT:
I dont get it.
I am WHITE, VERY white. I dont hate my own people.
Most Jews are white, what color are you KWR??
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
KWRBT:
I dont get it.
I am WHITE, VERY white. I dont hate my own people.
Most Jews are white, what color are you KWR??
AsheDina,
For the longest time, Jews were never considered "white." Nowadays some "race realist" types like Jared Taylor claim to consider American Jews white, because most of them "look white" to him. But you'd be surprised that there are still those who don't consider Jews white.
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KWRBT: I dont get it. I am WHITE, VERY white. I dont hate my own people. Most Jews are white, what color are you KWR??
No logical conclusion can be reached by arguing with terms such as "white" (presumably meaning only those of Ango-Saxon, Celtic, or Teutonic ancestry [with a dab of Slavs thrown in].
All it does is highlight the confused thinking forming the basis for the inherent racist views of American Christians descended from northwestern Europe.
By using such a skewed standard, Jews at best are usually considered "technically white" by virtue of light or olive skinned complexion, but not actually "White".
Least we ain't no high-yellers! :P
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
KWRBT:
I dont get it.
I am WHITE, VERY white. I dont hate my own people.
Most Jews are white, what color are you KWR??
AsheDina,
For the longest time, Jews were never considered "white." Nowadays some "race realist" types like Jared Taylor claim to consider American Jews white, because most of them "look white" to him. But you'd be surprised that there are still those who don't consider Jews white.
Well, they are just damned NUTS, because IM A WHITEY
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Why would any woman purposely douse her face with acid?
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
KWRBT:
I dont get it.
I am WHITE, VERY white. I dont hate my own people.
Most Jews are white, what color are you KWR??
You don't get it, Aishdina? Well I don't get it either. But guess what. The skin color doesn't matter to non-Jews. They view us as JEWS, no matter what skin color. And they view Jews with contempt. It's the fact. Unpleasant as it may be. I'm not saying black people don't also. Did I say that? No. I'm sure it's just as bad if not much worse. But open your eyes, please. Hatred of Jews is color blind.
I have to be honest. Of all the things Rabbi Kahane spoke about, his talks about antisemitic americans in the bars, that I never bought into. I thought, no it's not as bad as he thought. Or it's not as bad as in his time. Things are different these days. Or he's exaggerating. From speaking with my parents I KNOW he was right! It hurts, but it's true. We don't belong in this country.
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This forum is an exception to the rule. I love you people here, this forum has been a "refuge" for me for years now, through all ups and downs. But in real life, it's not like this. I've experienced it myself now, and now my parents came out with all that was bottled up. I know Rabbi Kahane was right and is still right.
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Irish, Germans, Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, and Spaniards also weren't considered white in the US for a long time.
What Kahane-Was-Right is saying is true, the word "Jew" is thrown around like the N word. It's used to refer to someone in this country as a person that is despised of and unwelcomed. I hear it mentioned quite often, people use the phrase "you stupid Jew". I hear it less where I live because most people here are extremely religious and the baptist in general love Israel, but if you go throughout the midwest or anywhere else, it's pretty common to find individuals who are not so welcoming of Jews.
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DBF,
I do not understand the last part of your last statement. Please explain if you would G-D Bless
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From this part on, "In Christian theology, the whole earth is the galut and always will be. That is why so many tens of thousands of Christians get horrifically martyred all over the world each year (most of whom will never even be known). In case anyone wonders why this is relevant, this ties into the issue of how "average" people view Jews; I can honestly say that if it wasn't for the transforming power of Christ in my life, I would at a minimum not care about Jews at all, and more than likely would have become an anti-Semitic pig."
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Uggh, nevermind. I will delete all these offensive posts!
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I didnt say it was offensive. I was curious about what you meant
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KWRBT, I don't want this to be taken in a bad way but I actually think of Jews as Jews before anything else they might have. I think they are honored to be part of a Holy nation. Some Jews are white, some are black, some are Asian, some have Arab ancestry, etc. but all are Jews, part of the same people and nation. So all that other stuff is less important. It's not that a white Jew isn't white, it's that they're Jewish first and white second, if that makes any sense.
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KWRBT, I don't want this to be taken in a bad way but I actually think of Jews as Jews before anything else they might have. I think they are honored to be part of a Holy nation. Some Jews are white, some are black, some are Asian, some have Arab ancestry, etc. but all are Jews, part of the same people and nation. So all that other stuff is less important. It's not that a white Jew isn't white, it's that they're Jewish first and white second, if that makes any sense.
Yeah I actually agree with you, but usually people who view it that way view it as a bad thing as opposed to a good thing like you and I think it is. People naturally don't like what is considered "foreign."
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KWRBT, I don't want this to be taken in a bad way but I actually think of Jews as Jews before anything else they might have. I think they are honored to be part of a Holy nation. Some Jews are white, some are black, some are Asian, some have Arab ancestry, etc. but all are Jews, part of the same people and nation. So all that other stuff is less important. It's not that a white Jew isn't white, it's that they're Jewish first and white second, if that makes any sense.
Yeah I actually agree with you, but usually people who view it that way view it as a bad thing as opposed to a good thing like you and I think it is. People naturally don't like what is considered "foreign."
I feel that every nation/people should be loyal to their own. I don't see Jewish nationalism as anything bad at all, but something healthy and blessed.
I don't necessarily think the loathing of "foreign" is always a bad thing on its own, it's how people act on its that's evil. The "Foreign" repulsion helps keep peoples distinct and separate, allowing survival of different types of people and different cultures because they tend to stay within their own nation. People are also divided by things like languages, different physical appearance, geographic boundaries, even different smells are a small factor as was mentioned in another thread. However recently people have been told by the left wing that these natural instincts for self-preservation of a people are somehow wrong and evil and we should all get together in one big mish-mash and forget who we are and renounce all our heritages. We're all expected to be good world citizens in the brotherhood of man, even if you have nothing in common with that other man (or woman). This leads to horrors like the Chelsea Clinton wedding or produces offspring like Barack Obama.
In an ideal world I think the world would be very diverse and interesting, and nations would all respect each other's right to exist in peace. In the real world, that will never happen without a miracle, but it's still something that I would love to see.
It's only when people take their hatred of "foreign" and take it further than "Those people make me uncomfortable" and turn it into "Those people need to die" or "those people are lower than me, I don't think they have rights I need to respect" that horrible things happen.
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KWRBT, I don't want this to be taken in a bad way but I actually think of Jews as Jews before anything else they might have. I think they are honored to be part of a Holy nation. Some Jews are white, some are black, some are Asian, some have Arab ancestry, etc. but all are Jews, part of the same people and nation. So all that other stuff is less important. It's not that a white Jew isn't white, it's that they're Jewish first and white second, if that makes any sense.
Yeah I actually agree with you, but usually people who view it that way view it as a bad thing as opposed to a good thing like you and I think it is. People naturally don't like what is considered "foreign."
I feel that every nation/people should be loyal to their own. I don't see Jewish nationalism as anything bad at all, but something healthy and blessed.
I don't necessarily think the loathing of "foreign" is always a bad thing on its own, it's how people act on its that's evil. The "Foreign" repulsion helps keep peoples distinct and separate, allowing survival of different types of people and different cultures because they tend to stay within their own nation. People are also divided by things like languages, different physical appearance, geographic boundaries, even different smells are a small factor as was mentioned in another thread. However recently people have been told by the left wing that these natural instincts for self-preservation of a people are somehow wrong and evil and we should all get together in one big mish-mash and forget who we are and renounce all our heritages. We're all expected to be good world citizens in the brotherhood of man, even if you have nothing in common with that other man (or woman). This leads to horrors like the Chelsea Clinton wedding or produces offspring like Barack Obama.
In an ideal world I think the world would be very diverse and interesting, and nations would all respect each other's right to exist in peace. In the real world, that will never happen without a miracle, but it's still something that I would love to see.
It's only when people take their hatred of "foreign" and take it further than "Those people make me uncomfortable" and turn it into "Those people need to die" or "those people are lower than me, I don't think they have rights I need to respect" that horrible things happen.
Sometimes what you're saying is true.
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Thanks Ron I believe every word of what I wrote in that post.
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I didnt say it was offensive. I was curious about what you meant
I thought it was pretty simple, but I meant that if I did not believe in the Bible, then I would not know or care that the Jews are G-d's chosen.
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KWRBT, I don't want this to be taken in a bad way but I actually think of Jews as Jews before anything else they might have. I think they are honored to be part of a Holy nation. Some Jews are white, some are black, some are Asian, some have Arab ancestry, etc. but all are Jews, part of the same people and nation. So all that other stuff is less important. It's not that a white Jew isn't white, it's that they're Jewish first and white second, if that makes any sense.
Yeah I actually agree with you, but usually people who view it that way view it as a bad thing as opposed to a good thing like you and I think it is. People naturally don't like what is considered "foreign."
I feel that every nation/people should be loyal to their own. I don't see Jewish nationalism as anything bad at all, but something healthy and blessed.
I don't necessarily think the loathing of "foreign" is always a bad thing on its own, it's how people act on its that's evil. The "Foreign" repulsion helps keep peoples distinct and separate, allowing survival of different types of people and different cultures because they tend to stay within their own nation. People are also divided by things like languages, different physical appearance, geographic boundaries, even different smells are a small factor as was mentioned in another thread. However recently people have been told by the left wing that these natural instincts for self-preservation of a people are somehow wrong and evil and we should all get together in one big mish-mash and forget who we are and renounce all our heritages. We're all expected to be good world citizens in the brotherhood of man, even if you have nothing in common with that other man (or woman). This leads to horrors like the Chelsea Clinton wedding or produces offspring like Barack Obama.
In an ideal world I think the world would be very diverse and interesting, and nations would all respect each other's right to exist in peace. In the real world, that will never happen without a miracle, but it's still something that I would love to see.
It's only when people take their hatred of "foreign" and take it further than "Those people make me uncomfortable" and turn it into "Those people need to die" or "those people are lower than me, I don't think they have rights I need to respect" that horrible things happen.
Sometimes what you're saying is true.
lol! I think that was a compliment... She's cracked you, Ron.
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KWRBT, I don't want this to be taken in a bad way but I actually think of Jews as Jews before anything else they might have. I think they are honored to be part of a Holy nation. Some Jews are white, some are black, some are Asian, some have Arab ancestry, etc. but all are Jews, part of the same people and nation. So all that other stuff is less important. It's not that a white Jew isn't white, it's that they're Jewish first and white second, if that makes any sense.
Yeah I actually agree with you, but usually people who view it that way view it as a bad thing as opposed to a good thing like you and I think it is. People naturally don't like what is considered "foreign."
I feel that every nation/people should be loyal to their own. I don't see Jewish nationalism as anything bad at all, but something healthy and blessed.
I don't necessarily think the loathing of "foreign" is always a bad thing on its own, it's how people act on its that's evil. The "Foreign" repulsion helps keep peoples distinct and separate, allowing survival of different types of people and different cultures because they tend to stay within their own nation. People are also divided by things like languages, different physical appearance, geographic boundaries, even different smells are a small factor as was mentioned in another thread. However recently people have been told by the left wing that these natural instincts for self-preservation of a people are somehow wrong and evil and we should all get together in one big mish-mash and forget who we are and renounce all our heritages. We're all expected to be good world citizens in the brotherhood of man, even if you have nothing in common with that other man (or woman). This leads to horrors like the Chelsea Clinton wedding or produces offspring like Barack Obama.
In an ideal world I think the world would be very diverse and interesting, and nations would all respect each other's right to exist in peace. In the real world, that will never happen without a miracle, but it's still something that I would love to see.
It's only when people take their hatred of "foreign" and take it further than "Those people make me uncomfortable" and turn it into "Those people need to die" or "those people are lower than me, I don't think they have rights I need to respect" that horrible things happen.
Sometimes what you're saying is true.
lol! I think that was a compliment... She's cracked you, Ron.
What?
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What?
I'm just joking with you that you have become sentimental because of the way you (sort of) complimented Rubystars
"Sometimes what you're saying is true."
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i have known of a few anti semitic whites, but the most anti jewish people ive ever met are muslims and blacks.
Historically, the Jews have mostly been persecuted and massacred by WHITES, many of whom in the name of christianity. Forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, genocide were not carried out by Black people.
Evil is neither Black nor White.
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i have known of a few anti semitic whites, but the most anti jewish people ive ever met are muslims and blacks.
Historically, the Jews have mostly been persecuted and massacred by WHITES, many of whom in the name of christianity. Forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, genocide were not carried out by Black people.
Evil is neither Black nor White.
That was THEN, this is NOW, it is time to get in the HERE AND NOW.
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i have known of a few anti semitic whites, but the most anti jewish people ive ever met are muslims and blacks.
Historically, the Jews have mostly been persecuted and massacred by WHITES, many of whom in the name of christianity. Forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, genocide were not carried out by Black people.
Evil is neither Black nor White.
That was THEN, this is NOW, it is time to get in the HERE AND NOW.
Without the whites Obama wouldn't have been elected.
Jimmy Carter, GWB, David Duke, the majority of Americans (the rest are just apathetic towards Jews) and the vast majority of Europe including RuSSia are white.
face the facts, Ashe, it's about time.
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Some of our members are really reminding me of the nazi newman, if anyone remembers that freak.
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It's funny how some of our members hate all Christians/whites and think muslims are better. They're unable to distinguish good from bad in a particular people. They're making the same mistake the evil white people like David Duke make when they blame "the Jews" for bad things happening in western countries like America.
If you look at the influence that self-hating Jews have had in the west, you can't help but realize they've been disasterous. America for example wouldn't have the civil rights movement and the anti-white racism that came with it that we still face today. All the media organizations that destroyed the morals of America are/were run by self-hating Jews. All the music companies that promote black jungle noise to kids and morally sickening filth. Many of the major economic institutions that destroyed the economy were created/run by self-hating Jews. There would be no black muslim president without the support of Jews.
Do we blame all Jews for this? Of course not because that's evil. Yes, white Christians have done evils to Jews in the past. White nations still do evil to Jews today. But do all white Christians do evil to Jews? Of course not. So stop blaming all whites for the actions of some.
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Yet Jews were the most influential minority in getting Obama elected. I guess we should hate and blame all Jews for doing that.
1.) How is that? while virtually the majority of Hispanics voted for Obama, only about 70% of Jews did so. I'm not even starting to talk about the Blacks.
2.) I don't understand this circular logic (which you use quite often, blame Jews for their problems but never ever call a Gentile Nazi a Nazi) and how that has to do something with what I said (that Nazism is not exclusive for Blacks and Muslims, but is plays a great role in the majority of the white population as well). I would say the fact that you thought I said that we should hate all whites teaches something very deep about your own feelings as a white towards Jews.
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It's funny how some of our members hate all Christians/whites and think muslims are better. They're unable to distinguish good from bad in a particular people. They're making the same mistake the evil white people like David Duke make when they blame "the Jews" for bad things happening in western countries like America.
It's funny how you accept criticism (whites who are responsible as well for the election of Obama) on the white American population as hatred for whites.
maybe because you yourself think that all whites are Nazis.
by the way - whites are not neccesarily Xtian and only "Xtian Identity" Nazis think this way. And where did I say Muslims are better?
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If you look at the influence that self-hating Jews have had in the west, you can't help but realize they've been disasterous. America for example wouldn't have the civil rights movement and the anti-white racism that came with it that we still face today. All the media organizations that destroyed the morals of America are/were run by self-hating Jews. All the music companies that promote black jungle noise to kids and morally sickening filth. Many of the major economic institutions that destroyed the economy were created/run by self-hating Jews. There would be no black muslim president without the support of Jews.
Yes, only self-hating Jews are to blame for the anti-Semitism and the anti-white racism (2 different things, you forgot to mention the first one for an odd reason, I wonder why). Self-hating whites and Nazi Blacks should not be blamed. You only care about the Jews who were involved.
You sub-human "The Moron" Nazi.
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RON- SCREW THE MUZLIMS
Muslims SUCK. They worship the MOON 'g'od. If they worshipped THE God, then why do they want Jews and Christians to convert to Islam?
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"X-TIANS" as you so callously put this on a forum that is mostly gentile, Christian, on the English side, are the BIGGEST supporters of Israel, Ron. True, that Jews should not crave support of gentiles and Christians, but SO WHAT? They do it HERE out of LOVE, obviously.
If you do not believe in "Christianity" WHY does it bug you about the "Christ in "CHRISTIANITY? WHY do you write the "X" to make the CHRISTIANS here upset?
Why hurt them? CHRISTIANS in America are going through massive psychological persecution, and they do NOT need your ugly little attitude.
Why not stop your very child-like behavior? People that are gentile and CHRISTIAN here, are nice to you, what the HELL is your problem? How would you like it if they started writing "J-ws?" As to make you feel crappy and have a faith in NOTHING??
What the hell is your beef with these people, Ron? Dont you live in ISRAEL? Israel is NOT a Christian place, so all of this nasty rant you are, hurts us---A LOT. People have LEFT here because of your NASTY attitude.
Did you not just celebrate Yom Kippur? Why would a gentile or a Christian be unworthy of your repentence?
I am not a CHRISTIAN, but your writing is such a friggin offense, and RUDE! I do NOT like to be this way toward fellow Jews, but COME ON.
WHO deserves this nastiness from you on this forum??
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ALSO, Ron- a LOT of our OWN people put BIG $$ into the Obama campaign- HUGE $, huge support. So, chalk one up for OUR People that wish to send us all abroad back into the chambers.
So, look at OURS before you dump on THEIRS.
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It's funny how some of our members hate all Christians/whites and think muslims are better. They're unable to distinguish good from bad in a particular people. They're making the same mistake the evil white people like David Duke make when they blame "the Jews" for bad things happening in western countries like America.
It's funny how you accept criticism (whites who are responsible as well for the election of Obama) on the white American population as hatred for whites.
maybe because you yourself think that all whites are Nazis.
by the way - whites are not neccesarily Xtian and only "Xtian Identity" Nazis think this way. And where did I say Muslims are better?
You've proven quite well you hate all non-Jews and would like JTF to be nothing more than a Jewish version of the nazi party. And you've routinely said that you think Christians have done far worse to Jews than muslims. Frankly, I'm starting to think you're slightly retarded in your inability to discern what others are saying. Your replies to Massuh show little intelligence.
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RON- SCREW THE MUZLIMS
Muslims SUCK. They worship the MOON 'g'od. If they worshipped THE G-d, then why do they want Jews and Christians to convert to Islam?
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"X-TIANS" as you so callously put this on a forum that is mostly gentile, Christian, on the English side, are the BIGGEST supporters of Israel, Ron. True, that Jews should not crave support of gentiles and Christians, but SO WHAT? They do it HERE out of LOVE, obviously.
If you do not believe in "Christianity" WHY does it bug you about the "Christ in "CHRISTIANITY? WHY do you write the "X" to make the CHRISTIANS here upset?
Why hurt them? CHRISTIANS in America are going through massive psychological persecution, and they do NOT need your ugly little attitude.
Why not stop your very child-like behavior? People that are gentile and CHRISTIAN here, are nice to you, what the HELL is your problem? How would you like it if they started writing "J-ws?" As to make you feel crappy and have a faith in NOTHING??
What the hell is your beef with these people, Ron? Dont you live in ISRAEL? Israel is NOT a Christian place, so all of this nasty rant you are, hurts us---A LOT. People have LEFT here because of your NASTY attitude.
Did you not just celebrate Yom Kippur? Why would a gentile or a Christian be unworthy of your repentence?
I am not a CHRISTIAN, but your writing is such a friggin offense, and RUDE! I do NOT like to be this way toward fellow Jews, but COME ON.
WHO deserves this nastiness from you on this forum??
..So you agree the vast majority of whites is no different than the vast majority of Blacks?
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ALSO, Ron- a LOT of our OWN people put BIG $$ into the Obama campaign- HUGE $, huge support. So, chalk one up for OUR People that wish to send us all abroad back into the chambers.
So, look at OURS before you dump on THEIRS.
What does that have to do with what I said?
You've proven quite well you hate all non-Jews
Yes, you prefer using stupid defamations and lies instead of thinking honestly.
and would like JTF to be nothing more than a Jewish version of the nazi party.
You're proven quite well your intelligence equals your username.
And you've routinely said that you think Christians have done far worse to Jews than muslims.
Which is a historical fact Coons like you don't want to face.
Frankly, I'm starting to think you're slightly retarded in your inability to discern what others are saying.
I know it hurts to be a minority in your own country.
Your replies to Massuh show little intelligence.
What are you saying Coonie?
Ya Riplayas to Massah! how litta inteligense?
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Ok, I just dropped into this thread and I am disgusted already.
Ron, you are a great man and I respect what you say but sometimes confrontation is not always the best strategy.
AsheDina is a great member here and I feel sorry that when she tried to speak some reason that your response was rude and attacking. We all have our own personal problems and believe me I had a bit of a confrontation at home yesterday, but we must try to work together.
I believe AsheDina is working fully to help Jews but she also has a desire to reach out to non-Jews. I hope that she succeeds in her endeavors. I happen to agree more with Ron that the Jews should always be a little wary of non-Jews who want to help us.
History is full of examples of Jews being taken advantage of because we want to believe that everyone loves us. We go out of the way to try to blend in and not make waves. This often leads to Jews being trampled, murdered, pillaged, and exterminated...
Over Yom Kippur we recall the story of the Ten Martyred Rabbis who were brutally tortured by the Romans shortly after the destruction of the Temple. That story reminds me of the anger I have at Edom, the descendents of the Romans, and it is hard not to feel sad that we have been so brutally taken advantage of through these centuries...
Please, non-Jews, please try to understand that we have a lot of sore feelings about history. It is not easy to let these things go...
http://www.torah.org/learning/rabbis-notebook/5764/haazinu.html
Preparing For Yom Kippur
On Yom Kippur we read the story of the Ten Martyrs. Rabbi Akiva was among those ten great personalities who died sanctifying G-d’s name. The Talmud in Berachos 61b relates that as Rabbi Akiva was being tortured to death his students saw him joyously reciting the Shema seemingly oblivious to the pain he was enduring. The incongruity of the moment was so apparent that even Tyrnus Rufus, the Roman commander who had ordered the execution, asked Rabbi Akiva how he was able to laugh in the face of such horrendous torture.
Rabbi Akiva’s students, who were equally amazed at their teacher’s endurance understood the moment to be far more profound than mere stoic courage and endurance. They asked their beloved teacher, “Is the Mitzvah of reciting the Shema incumbent upon an individual under such dire circumstances?” Rabbi Akiva explained. “The Torah commands us to love G-d with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our belongings. All my life I wondered whether I would ever fulfill this Mitzvah of loving G-d with all my soul. Now that I have been granted the opportunity of loving G- d with my very life should I not do so with joy and exultation?”
As a nation that has survived millennium of persecution and suffering, we have a fascination with how our heroes have died and how one should die. In the aftermath of the Pan Am tragedy, a Talis was found floating in the ocean. Tragically, Mr. Joe Miller obm, a “frum (observant)” man, was a passenger on that fateful flight and it was his Tallis that had been recovered among the wreckage. Mr. Miller’s children confirmed that their father never placed his Talis and Tefilin (phylacteries) through the regular baggage service but always carried them with him on board. The problem was that it was nighttime when the flight crashed into the Atlantic and the Talis, which is usually not worn at night, should have been enclosed in its zippered velvet “zekel bag” which was inside a zippered plastic cover. How did Mr. Miller’s Talis get out of its bag? The children surmised that in the six minutes prior to the crash when the passengers knew that the plane was in trouble their father, knowing that the situation was serious took out his Talis and put it on. That is the way a true “Eved G-d ? Servant of G-d” prepares for possible death wearing a Talis and immersed in Tefilah (prayer). It is fair to assume that Mr final words, like Rabbi Akiva’s, were “Shema Yisroel…”
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Some of our members are really reminding me of the nazi newman, if anyone remembers that freak.
In other words, you don't want to address my question?
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It's funny how some of our members hate all Christians/whites and think muslims are better.
Doesn't seem like this describes any of the members here. Not any that I can think of. Probably better off naming names and pointing to exactly where the person made this point, or else it sounds pretty far-fetched.
If you look at the influence that self-hating Jews have had in the west, you can't help but realize they've been disasterous. America for example wouldn't have the civil rights movement and the anti-white racism that came with it
LOL. So you want to take away blacks' civil rights and you want to deny that white gentiles had any role in the civil rights movement. That's precious.
There would be no black muslim president without the support of Jews.
Jews are what, 1.5% of the population? More than half of all voters voted for Obama. That's millions of people, is it not? I can't see how Obama being president falls onto the Jews. What about the 99.9% of blacks that voted for him? Surely blacks outnumber Jews. And surely whites outnumber blacks and Jews. And whites voted for him in great numbers too.
Do we blame all Jews for this? Of course not because that's evil.
I would argue that by making a statement like "There would be no black muslim president without the support of Jews" - you are in fact blaming Jews for it.
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You really want to deny self-hating Jews were at the forefront of the civil rights movement? Today our media worships black degeneracy because of that garbage. There's no civil rights for moral wrongs as Chaim so eloquently put it. I'm merely making a point that nobody is blaming all Jews for the terrible things self-hating leftist Jews have inflicted on western society, yet some people like Ron have clearly attacked all whites, blaming them for the terrible things that have happened to Jews over the centuries.
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You really want to deny self-hating Jews were at the forefront of the civil rights movement? Today our media worships black degeneracy because of that garbage. There's no civil rights for moral wrongs as Chaim so eloquently put it.
You deny the fact that NOT only self-hating Jews did that. MANY MORE whites were part of this than Jews. You ignore this little disturbing fact and only talk about the Jews who took part. In other words, you blame the Jews for it.
I'm merely making a point that nobody is blaming all Jews for the terrible things self-hating leftist Jews have inflicted on western society, yet some people like Ron have clearly attacked all whites, blaming them for the terrible things that have happened to Jews over the centuries.
Where did I attack "all whites"?
I simply stated - not only Blacks and Muslims murdered Jews, but Xtians and other whites did too (the Xtians murdered even more Jews than Muslims). How is that blaming all whites for this? I am myself white. Do I blame myself for the murder of millions of my brothers and sisters?
And then you say I am unable to discern what others have to say. Your lies are so clear and also is the reason for your childish stupid defamations, you Xtian Identity moron.
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White is no category to judge people morally. If you would knew what I met for crooks in the last few months. :o
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RON- SCREW THE MUZLIMS
Muslims SUCK. They worship the MOON 'g'od. If they worshipped THE G-d, then why do they want Jews and Christians to convert to Islam?
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"X-TIANS" as you so callously put this on a forum that is mostly gentile, Christian, on the English side, are the BIGGEST supporters of Israel, Ron. True, that Jews should not crave support of gentiles and Christians, but SO WHAT? They do it HERE out of LOVE, obviously.
If you do not believe in "Christianity" WHY does it bug you about the "Christ in "CHRISTIANITY? WHY do you write the "X" to make the CHRISTIANS here upset?
Why hurt them? CHRISTIANS in America are going through massive psychological persecution, and they do NOT need your ugly little attitude.
Why not stop your very child-like behavior? People that are gentile and CHRISTIAN here, are nice to you, what the HELL is your problem? How would you like it if they started writing "J-ws?" As to make you feel crappy and have a faith in NOTHING??
What the hell is your beef with these people, Ron? Dont you live in ISRAEL? Israel is NOT a Christian place, so all of this nasty rant you are, hurts us---A LOT. People have LEFT here because of your NASTY attitude.
Did you not just celebrate Yom Kippur? Why would a gentile or a Christian be unworthy of your repentence?
I am not a CHRISTIAN, but your writing is such a friggin offense, and RUDE! I do NOT like to be this way toward fellow Jews, but COME ON.
WHO deserves this nastiness from you on this forum??
..So you agree the vast majority of whites is no different than the vast majority of Blacks?
No, I believe that you are a YOUNG, silly, little man, that does not understand his place amongst adults.
Look how you talk to people.
Despicible.
What a sad case for a Jewish young man to be so hardened against people that you have NEVER met in life. How do you think non-Jews here, that perhaps would like to be observant of the Noahhide laws feel about you? Terrible. Judging people so incredibly harshly. Dumping on "The Coon". WTF is up with you??
I am sorry for this young mans TERRIBLE behavior, the Coon. Indeed he is not fighting an enemy, he is fighting one of us.
I WANT non-Jews that are geared toward atheism to perhaps buy the Torah, read the books of the prophets, and you embarass me to death.
Lastly, for you to get a further grip on being more mature, I present you with this;
PUT A SOCK IN IT. And STOP attacking our members. Stop the division. Chaim does not have time to address all of this silliness.
You want to fight the Identity morons, than do what I do:
GO and fight THEM and leave our members the hell alone.
Grow up.
I will NOT answer you again until you break up your fallow ground.
---- Muman:
And, YES, Muman, EVERYTHING I do, online AND in life, is for the Jewish people who are observant, or patriotic. In MANY cases, I have helped liberal-self-hating Jews and have brought them back into reading Torah, and now- even attending their synagogue. My own Mother being one who has started reading her Torah again. Just today, I had a little art card/collage, and it says;
"I am Here, waiting on you, G-d"
So, bringing any of the Jews back in is VERY important to me, VERY.
No, I am not religious, pious- but bringing Jews that are open, (like my David Ben Moshe) BACK to G-d is the most important thing I can think of.
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You've proven quite well you hate all non-Jews and would like JTF to be nothing more than a Jewish version of the nazi party. And you've routinely said that you think Christians have done far worse to Jews than muslims. Frankly, I'm starting to think you're slightly retarded in your inability to discern what others are saying. Your replies to Massuh show little intelligence.
I think you should not make nasty personal comments like this one.
I perfectly understand that you may have felt offended by previous remarks made by Ron about Christians. True, Ron is sometimes very aggressive. But he is NOT a Nazi and he is NOT stupid. I find most of his replies consistent and relevant, even if I sometimes disagree with him. You should not talk to him this way.
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Historically, the Jews have mostly been persecuted and massacred by WHITES, many of whom in the name of christianity. Forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, genocide were not carried out by Black people.
Evil is neither Black nor White.
Blacks never had the technology and power to implement holocausts. That's the only reason why. They certainly did them to their brothers and sisters in Africa though through the millenia.
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So you agree the vast majority of whites is no different than the vast majority of Blacks?
I don't think anyone at JTF has ever said that whites in general are good people. I want to know where you get this from. The difference is that there is some hope that whites can wake up and change their ways, which cannot be said of blacks.
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I simply stated - not only Blacks and Muslims murdered Jews, but Xtians and other whites did too (the Xtians murdered even more Jews than Muslims). How is that blaming all whites for this? I am myself white. Do I blame myself for the murder of millions of my brothers and sisters?
I will tell you the same thing I told Yaakov Mendel, up until quite recently Arabs have not had the technology and power to carry out mass extermination. Also their countries were more backwards than "Christian" Europe and they needed the Jews to build them up and give them a viable economy. Maybe 70% of whites worldwide are Nazis, but what is the comparable figure for blacks and Arabs? 99%?
you Xtian Identity moron.
This was totally uncalled for.
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Doesn't seem like this describes any of the members here. Not any that I can think of. Probably better off naming names and pointing to exactly where the person made this point, or else it sounds pretty far-fetched.
LOL. So you want to take away blacks' civil rights and you want to deny that white gentiles had any role in the civil rights movement. That's precious.
Jews are what, 1.5% of the population? More than half of all voters voted for Obama. That's millions of people, is it not? I can't see how Obama being president falls onto the Jews. What about the 99.9% of blacks that voted for him? Surely blacks outnumber Jews. And surely whites outnumber blacks and Jews. And whites voted for him in great numbers too.
I would argue that by making a statement like "There would be no black muslim president without the support of Jews" - you are in fact blaming Jews for it.
Good responses. I wasn't very comfortable with those statements, but I think he was trying to say that self-hating, elitist Jews did a lot to help Obama--at least that's what I think. The only nit I will pick with the above is that I don't think that blacks or Arabs losing their snivel rights would be such a bad idea. They have had more than 50 years to demonstrate that they are capable of living as civilized citizens and have failed miserably at it. As far as I am concerned the majority should be induced to go back to Africa, or the Middle East, or wherever--not, of course, because I think they were born inferior, but because they are not willing to function in a civilized society.
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"X-TIANS" as you so callously put this on a forum that is mostly gentile, Christian, on the English side, are the BIGGEST supporters of Israel, Ron. True, that Jews should not crave support of gentiles and Christians, but SO WHAT? They do it HERE out of LOVE, obviously.
Most Christians do not support Israel out of "LOVE" for the Jewish people. They do it because the Bible tells them to.
I do not doubt that a number of the Christian members of this forum sincerely care about the Jewish people and are true friends and, as I have said before, I think they're great people, truly righteous Gentiles. But I think there are others who come here more because they hate Obama, non-whites, gays, etc. If the Scriptures did not command them to support Israel, I am not sure they would care so much about Jews.
Look how you talk to people.
Despicible.
What a sad case for a Jewish young man to be so hardened against people that you have NEVER met in life. How do you think non-Jews here, that perhaps would like to be observant of the Noahhide laws feel about you? Terrible. Judging people so incredibly harshly. Dumping on "The Coon". WTF is up with you??
I am sorry for this young mans TERRIBLE behavior, the Coon. Indeed he is not fighting an enemy, he is fighting one of us.
And look at how the "Coon" talks to Ron ! What is this way of groveling, of begging for forgiveness to someone who insulted one of your fellow Jews ? Is this Jewish pride ? Why this double standard ? Why do you choose to bash Ron and overlook the nasty personal comments made by the "Coon" ?
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Most Christians do not support Israel out of "LOVE" for the Jewish people. They do it because the Bible tells them to.
I do not doubt that a number of the Christian members of this forum sincerely care about the Jewish people and are true friends and, as I have said before, I think they're great people, truly righteous Gentiles. But I think there are others who come here more because they hate Obama, non-whites, gays, etc. If the Scriptures did not command them to support Israel, I am not sure they would care so much about Jews.
What if Christians started supporting Israel because of the Bible, but from there it grew into a real passion and burden on their hearts?
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Most Christians do not support Israel out of "LOVE" for the Jewish people. They do it because the Bible tells them to.
I do not doubt that a number of the Christian members of this forum sincerely care about the Jewish people and are true friends and, as I have said before, I think they're great people, truly righteous Gentiles. But I think there are others who come here more because they hate Obama, non-whites, gays, etc. If the Scriptures did not command them to support Israel, I am not sure they would care so much about Jews.
What if Christians started supporting Israel because of the Bible, but from there it grew into a real passion and burden on their hearts?
Then, their support has become genuine.
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For what it's worth, I don't care if a Gentile is on my side because the bible tells him/her to be on my side or because he/she is doing it from true feeling. The fact that you support Israel and the Jewish people is good enough for me. If it's a true genuine feeling, then all the better. But, to me, at this point, it matters not. There are so many billions of people around the world who hate us that I love support wherever I can find it. May G-d bless Righteous Gentiles!
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Historically, the Jews have mostly been persecuted and massacred by WHITES, many of whom in the name of christianity. Forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, genocide were not carried out by Black people.
Evil is neither Black nor White.
Blacks never had the technology and power to implement holocausts. That's the only reason why. They certainly did them to their brothers and sisters in Africa though through the millenia.
I cannot say that you are wrong on this one...
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AsheDina,
Now that I've read other threads, I understand better your reaction at Ron. Sorry if I was a little harsh, even though I stand by what I said with regard to this thread.
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For what it's worth, I don't care if a Gentile is on my side because the bible tells him/her to be on my side or because he/she is doing it from true feeling. The fact that you support Israel and the Jewish people is good enough for me.
I don't agree. The purity and the clarity of the intention are fundamental for the action to be moral. And those who would not support us if they weren't commanded to will eventually turn against us.
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I don't agree. The purity and the clarity of the intention are fundamental for the action to be moral. And those who would not support us if they weren't commanded to will eventually turn against us.
Look at it this way, there are many religious people who are only on the "right" side because they feel they are supposed to be. It doesn't mean they are insincere, just that they don't have the passion that we do. There are Christians who have the same attitude on abortion, sex before marriage, etc.--they agree with us on it but are not fired-up about it. A lot of it is just a personality thing; not everybody is going to be "hardcore". I wish it weren't that way but that's the way people are, and I'd rather have someone agree with us but not be zealous than be our enemy.
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Whether raised to or not, they (white people) do hate Jews, though. Generally speaking. My parents tell me all about it now because I wear a kippa and all the experiences they've had.
KWRBT:
I dont get it.
I am WHITE, VERY white. I dont hate my own people.
Most Jews are white, what color are you KWR??
You don't get it, Aishdina? Well I don't get it either. But guess what. The skin color doesn't matter to non-Jews. They view us as JEWS, no matter what skin color. And they view Jews with contempt. It's the fact. Unpleasant as it may be. I'm not saying black people don't also. Did I say that? No. I'm sure it's just as bad if not much worse. But open your eyes, please. Hatred of Jews is color blind.
I have to be honest. Of all the things Rabbi Kahane spoke about, his talks about antisemitic americans in the bars, that I never bought into. I thought, no it's not as bad as he thought. Or it's not as bad as in his time. Things are different these days. Or he's exaggerating. From speaking with my parents I KNOW he was right! It hurts, but it's true. We don't belong in this country.
When I went to bars, I used to heaar a lot of anti-Semitism