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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: White Israelite on September 20, 2010, 05:41:04 PM
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I used to weigh 270 pounds and right now I weigh 190 pounds. I've lost 80 pounds in the past year and I've been maintaining my weight pretty well. I joined a Gym about a month or so ago and I've been primarily focusing on cardio running 4 times a week for 30 minutes and then lifting weights ever 3 days
This is my workout pattern.
Sunday Running 30 minutes
Monday Run 30 minutes and lift weights http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/machine-bench-press
Warm-up: 15 reps. Heavy weight: 4 Sets of 12-10-10-8
Wednesday Running 30 minutes
Thursday Run 30 minutes and lift weights
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/ez-bar-curl
Warm-up: 15 reps. Heavy weight: 4 sets - 12-10-10-8
And I mix it up sometimes, this is another one I do
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/wide-grip-lat-pulldown
Warm-up: 15 reps. Heavy weight: 4 sets - 12-10-10-8
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/triceps-pushdown-v-bar-attachment
Heavy weight: 4 sets - 12-10-10-8
Diet
Eat oatmeal in the morning
eat a apple or boiled eggs on way to work, someone told me I shouldn't eat the yolk because of cholesterol
tuna sandwich for lunch on wheat bread with another apple or peach
eat some sort of fruit in between about 6 times a day and primarily eating chicken for lunch or dinner or salmon
I been also drinking water bottles 6 times a day.
Anything else I should be doing?
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Eat oatmeal in the morning
eat a apple or boiled eggs on way to work, someone told me I shouldn't eat the yolk because of cholesterol
tuna sandwich for lunch on wheat bread with another apple or peach
eat some sort of fruit in between about 6 times a day and primarily eating chicken for lunch or dinner or salmon
I been also drinking water bottles 6 times a day.
Anything else I should be doing?
Yes, egg yolks are bad because of cholesterol. Dan is right, you need more vegetables including salads. Good job on the water [just don't drink too much of it with food because it can dilute digestive juices; sometimes your body needs to focus on nutrient assimilation and digestion and other times hydration but its hard to do both at the same time. I have been told just a few cups of water during meals is ideal and more in between.].
To me it looks like you need to eat more protein. This diet would be great for someone who is not trying to put on mass and muscle, but I don't think you are getting enough grams of protein for the size you are if you are going to be working out, nor for the size you are trying to achieve [if you are trying to put on mass you should consume 1 gram of protein for every pound you currently weigh. You may find yourself needing even more protein, up to 2 grams per pound.]. It is hard to consume enough protein on a regular diet alone, you could always start taking some protein supplements, I take a soy based one myself. My brother usually takes whey based protein. Protein should eaten by spacing it out around the day, not just all in one lump.
I have never been a bodybuilder, but for most of my life I have been active in the gym, and I have been trained a few times by bodybuilders who I have been friends with. I am sure if you Googled bodybuilding you would come across a forum or two with people very focused on the subject who could give superior advice.
I really should get back into the gym myself.
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Sub the egg with a protein bar.. You need those before your work out so you don't drain yourself. Break down the days of the week for the kind of work outs you do. Also eat lean beef .. It will be well needed for you to help rebuild your calorie intake when you do work out.
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My advice is get 3 days of weight training in your week working each body part once a week. Life to failure or close to it as much as possible because it gets the best response from your body. I try and do 10 reps before I know for next week to up the weight. For instance one of my days looks like:
Biceps/Triceps/Quadriceps
2x Bar Curl
2x Lying Bar Extension
2x Squats
2x Dumbell Curl
2x Cable Pushdowns
2x Leg Extensions
Every other non-weight day I do HIIT cardio which involves a short warmup and then for every minute I do 35 seconds jogging and 25 seconds hard running and I keep repeating this until I'm too tired. It's great for boosting metabolism for the day.
I don't personally like huge volume as you are doing simply because a lot of the sets end up wasted time in the gym. It's like your body has no reason to improve if you aren't lifting your hardest. I'm currently dieting off fat right now and this has helped me keep my strength even with low calories.
Your diet looks good, though as Dan said try and get more vegetables in. Eating vegetables is great because they tend to be extremely high in vitamins, low in calories and they fill you up, preventing hunger. I disagree with Ari in that egg yolks are the most complete protein in nature pretty much. Obviously don't eat it every day but eggs are fine for you. If you want to get into hard bodybuilding you will need to up your calorie intake considerably. Try and get 1.5-2g of protein per body weight, though you can easily see gains eating less. A good calorie base is take your bodyweight in pounds and multiply it by 20. So if you weigh 190 you're looking at around 3800 cals to gain muscle quickly. Obviously the better you eat(ie: low junk), the less fat you will gain while bulking up. Protein powders or weight gain supplements help and are almost necessary when you start getting around 180+lbs simply because it's hard to eat that much food.
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Hey White, are you trying to build yourself to have lean, definition or bulk muscle mass? This can also help out to know your weekly build up also in nutrition and your work outs.
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(I'm not a body builder but I work out.)
Your workout routine looks pretty good except I don't see any abdominal exercises. Situps are good for this, and sometimes gyms have special benches for situps where you can change the incline and make the situps harder. If you still want to lose weight you could add another day of running or increase the time on your run.
Your diet looks pretty impressive except I don't see any vegetables. Maybe put lettuce and tomato on one of your sandwiches and eat a small can of vegetables with your dinner.
I forgot to add that part, I do eat a lot of vegetables, mainly for dinner though or on my sandwich (lettuce/tomato), I eat green beans for dinner, potato, brocolli, pea pods, beansprouts, rice, etc. for dinner.
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Hey White, are you trying to build yourself to have lean, definition or bulk muscle mass? This can also help out to know your weekly build up also in nutrition and your work outs.
bulk muscle mass.
also i'm about 6ft tall, forgot to add that on the profile, according to the gym, i'm at good weight and they mainly want me to focus on cardio and lifting weights, but I can do some stomach exercises as well, I will probably mix it up. Maybe add an additional day of working out.
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Eggs are a good source of protein, including the yolks if you don't eat that many per day. If you're having more than 1 or 2 per day, then have only 1 or two with yolks and the rest only the egg whites, but if you're only having one egg a day or 2 eggs a day, it's now believed by the doctors (contrary to what used to be said about it) that it's healthy to have that many eggs with yolks and it's not going to cause cholesterol problems as long as the rest of your diet is good (which it does look pretty good) and you're not chowing down lots of unhealthy food aside from that. It is outdated medical and health knowledge that people are citing by saying not to eat the egg yolks ever. Especially if you are exercising and lifting weights, you need the protein for building up muscle that you break down in the workouts, you need to replace calories you are burning, and the body does need some cholesterol, it's a prime component of the cell membrane and has many important functions. The egg with yolk has a better protein index than egg whites, and it's also more total grams of protein when eating the egg with yolk. So if it's 1 per day or 2 per day for breakfast etc, it's really not worth it IMO to have only egg whites. I only occasionally have egg whites without the yolks when I'm lifting weights a lot and eating lots of eggs (ie, I'm really hungry and need to recover from a big workout(s) I'll beat two eggs (with yolks), then throw in 2 more just egg-whites (without yolks) so it's 4 eggs total but only 2 yolks. But most of the time I'm having 2 eggs or less, it's with yolks.
Just so you know I'm not a doctor and not advising a treatment, but I believe this is the updated health knowledge on this subject.
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Very interesting to hear what you have to say on eggs/egg yolks KWRBT.
White Israelite, another good source of protein is cottage cheese, I just remembered to say that now. Kosher certification is required [if the brand "Knudsen" is available they are certified.].
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Eggs are a good source of protein, including the yolks if you don't eat that many per day. If you're having more than 1 or 2 per day, then have only 1 or two with yolks and the rest only the egg whites, but if you're only having one egg a day or 2 eggs a day, it's now believed by the doctors (contrary to what used to be said about it) that it's healthy to have that many eggs with yolks and it's not going to cause cholesterol problems as long as the rest of your diet is good (which it does look pretty good) and you're not chowing down lots of unhealthy food aside from that. It is outdated medical and health knowledge that people are citing by saying not to eat the egg yolks ever. Especially if you are exercising and lifting weights, you need the protein for building up muscle that you break down in the workouts, you need to replace calories you are burning, and the body does need some cholesterol, it's a prime component of the cell membrane and has many important functions. The egg with yolk has a better protein index than egg whites, and it's also more total grams of protein when eating the egg with yolk. So if it's 1 per day or 2 per day for breakfast etc, it's really not worth it IMO to have only egg whites. I only occasionally have egg whites without the yolks when I'm lifting weights a lot and eating lots of eggs (ie, I'm really hungry and need to recover from a big workout(s) I'll beat two eggs (with yolks), then throw in 2 more just egg-whites (without yolks) so it's 4 eggs total but only 2 yolks. But most of the time I'm having 2 eggs or less, it's with yolks.
Just so you know I'm not a doctor and not advising a treatment, but I believe this is the updated health knowledge on this subject.
Those studies they did on whole eggs raising cholesterol levels were done on powdered eggs, not the real ones.
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I am a body builder, but before I can give an advice, I have to know your age. Your age makes a big difference in muscle recovery. Also, how is your heart and blood pressure?
David Ben Moshe
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You don't need to do cardio when bulking. It can actually run contrary depending how your caloric surplus looks. It's still good to do however for other benefits.
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Well I do have 1 egg a week for the protein, my cholesterol is very normal.. you need the protein factor if you are into building,, i have 1 egg just 1 a week, and 2 protein bars a day .. maybe fish, chicken or lean beef at night and a lot of fruits or veggies.. the fruits also help replenish the waters in your body that your body needs. White take with you raw nuts like almonds with you .. not peanuts they have more fat in their oils. Almonds or seeds like say sunflower or soybean nut is a good on the go food for you ..Eat a table spoon of low fat peanut butter a day too
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Re: "tuna sandwich for lunch "
So good! And so tasty~!
I eat a good tuna meal every day down at the Y.
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I don't like tuna too much or any meat or fish that comes from cans.. I will get low salt turkey grill it up and with 7grain for a lunch.
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I am a body builder, but before I can give an advice, I have to know your age. Your age makes a big difference in muscle recovery. Also, how is your heart and blood pressure?
David Ben Moshe
I am 24 years old, my heart is fine, blood pressure is not exactly high, but definitely a little higher than should be.
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Eggs have gotten a bad rap over the last few decades. Deemed bad for the heart by health experts, they have been the subjects of criticism and scrutiny. But are our white (sometimes brown) friends really that unhealthy for us? In the last few years, numerous health organizations have been vindicating eggs' reputation. So what are we to believe; why were eggs chastised, only to be acclaimed again?
old egg myths
It was previously thought that eggs raised blood cholesterol levels -- one of the main causes of heart disease. The yolk in a single large egg contains five grams of fat, so it was only natural for nutritionists to assume that eggs clogged up people's arteries, especially since they also contain dietary cholesterol .
Another myth was that cholesterol is fat. That is simply not true. Cholesterol is a waxy substance that resembles fat, but has little to do with it. Today, scientists know that cholesterol content in food and the cholesterol in our blood aren't as directly related as once thought. So to unravel the mystery that is the egg, one must look at cholesterol.
cholesterol
First, one has to understand that cholesterol is not necessarily bad. Humans need it to maintain cell walls, insulate nerve fibers and produced vitamin D, among other things. Second, there are two types of cholesterol: dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol . Both are important.
Dietary cholesterol is found in certain foods, such as meat, poultry, seafood, eggs, and diary products. The second type (blood cholesterol, also called serum cholesterol) is produced in the liver and floats around in our bloodstream. Blood cholesterol is divided into two sub-categories: High-Density Lipoprotein (HDL), and Low-Density Lipoprotein (LDL). LDL cholesterol is considered bad because it sticks to artery walls.
What is bad, however, is the amount of LDL blood cholesterol in the body. Too much of it can cause heart problems, but scientists are now discovering that consuming food rich in dietary cholesterol does not increase blood cholesterol. At least that is what some experts believe (they are somewhat disagreeing on the matter... as usual).
Evidence showing that eating a lot of dietary cholesterol doesn't increase blood cholesterol was discovered during a statistical analysis conducted over 25 years by Dr. Wanda Howell and colleagues at the University of Arizona. The study revealed that people who consume two eggs each day with low-fat diets do not show signs of increased blood cholesterol levels.
So what does raise blood cholesterol? One of the main theories is that saturated fat does. Of the three types of fat (saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated), saturated fat raises blood cholesterol and LDL levels. It so happens that eggs contain mostly polyunsaturated fat, which can actually lower blood cholesterol if one replaces food containing saturated fat with eggs.
If you're a bodybuilder, you need eggs.
Delicious, Nutritious
Eggs are actually quite nutritious. They are not just fat (yolk) and protein (white). In fact, they contain a wide array of essential vitamins and minerals. Here is what's in an egg...
Vitamins
A: good for the skin and growth.
D: strengthens bones by raising calcium absorption.
E: protects cells from oxidation.
B1: helps properly release energy from carbohydrates.
B2: helps release energy from protein and fat.
B6: promotes the metabolism of protein.
B12: an essential vitamin in the formation of nerve fibers and blood cells.
Minerals
Iron: essential in the creation of red blood cells.
Zinc: good for enzyme stability and essential in sexual maturation.
Calcium: most important mineral in the strengthening of bones and teeth.
Iodine: controls thyroid hormones.
Selenium: like vitamin E, it protects cells from oxidation.
best type of protein
If that wasn't enough, egg whites contain the purest form of protein found in whole-foods. It is so high that nutritionists use them as the standard when comparing other whole-food proteins. Their "biological value" -- a measurement used to determine how efficiently a protein is used for growth -- is 93.7. Milk, fish, beef, and rice respectively have a bio value of 84.5, 76, 74.3, and 64.
The higher the value, the better the protein is absorbed. This is why many bodybuilders include eggs in their diet. When a person eats beef, for instance, all of the protein is not necessarily absorbed and used to rebuild tissue.
Protein is a complex substance, which is why bodybuilding protein supplement makers are constantly trying to refine the quality of their product and why some protein shake brands boast that their protein is made from egg whites. Having said that, each large egg contains 6.3 grams of protein.
how to eat eggs
Experts advise that despite being low in saturated fat, one should not eat more than two eggs a day on a low-fat diet. Egg yolk is mainly fat, so even though it doesn't raise blood cholesterol levels, it can cause other problems if abused.
Contaminated eggs kill up to 5000 individuals each year. One egg in 10,000 is contaminated with salmonella, so you should never eat undercooked eggs, make eggnog on your own or mimic Rocky by swallowing them raw.
The proper way to cook eggs depends on the type of food served. The American Egg Board advises that grills should never be set higher than 250F. Anything above that will leave the interior raw while burning the outside. If an egg has runny parts, it means it is still not cooked properly.
mmm, mmm, eggs
So now you know the truth about the incredible, edible egg. Once a foe, now a friend, this mighty whole-food contains many great nutrients and isn't as bad as people once thought. A great source of protein and easy to prepare, eggs are nature's golden food... if you don't eat too much of them, that is.
Resources:
http://www.sysco.com/building/bp_sp98_p10.html
http://www.aeb.org/food/eggs-health.html
http://www.nutritionandeggs.co.uk/eggs_nutrition/nutrition2.html
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What do you guys think of the role of milk in keeping fit and putting on muscle? Sometimes I get an earful from people who say that milk [and dairy in general I guess] is unnatural for grown human beings to consume [as it is designed for baby cows], but I think if there is anything in milk that promotes growth that a person who is trying to grow muscle would benefit from it. Can a person drink too much milk? I don't consume that much milk but it is something I like [especially w/ Ovaltine or making malted milk for a treat].
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From:
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/
"Milk is a deadly poison," according to the Dairy Education Board. In fact, if you peruse this special interest group's Web site, notmilk.com, you'll find dozens of articles about the purported evils of this popular beverage. One claim, for example, is that milk from cows contains cancer-causing hormones and dairy industry dollars have kept that fact bottled up. All of which may leave you second-guessing your next sip.
However, as a nutritionist, I've found that most men thrive on milk, whether their goal is to lose fat or build muscle. So to be sure it's safe, I've investigated all the anti-milk claims, sifting through the research while also turning a critical eye to pro-milk propaganda. After all, the only agenda I have is my clients' health. The result: all your milk questions, answered.
Read more: http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php#ixzz109MYAZet
Is Milk a Fat-Burning Food?
Maybe. In a 6-month study, University of Tennessee researchers found that overweight people who downed three servings a day of calcium-rich dairy lost more belly fat than those who followed a similar diet minus two or more of the dairy servings.
In addition, the researchers discovered that calcium supplements didn't work as well as milk. Why? They believe that while calcium may increase the rate at which your body burns fat, other active compounds in dairy products (such as milk proteins) provide an additional fat-burning effect.
Of course, the key to success is following a weight-loss diet to begin with. After all, downing your dairy with a box of doughnuts is no way to torch your gut.
Does It Build Muscle?
Absolutely. In fact, milk is one of the best muscle foods on the planet. You see, the protein in milk is about 20 percent whey and 80 percent casein. Both are high-quality proteins, but whey is known as a "fast protein" because it's quickly broken down into amino acids and absorbed into the bloodstream. That makes it a very good protein to consume after your workout.
Casein, on the other hand, is digested more slowly. So it's ideal for providing your body with a steady supply of smaller amounts of protein for a longer period of time—like between meals or while you sleep. Since milk provides both, one big glass gives your body an ideal combination of muscle-building proteins.
Do Hormones Make Milk Unhealthy?
Not unless you're injecting the milk. Here's the full story: In 1993 the FDA approved the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in cattle. This practice resulted in greater milk production at less cost to the dairy farmer, a savings that has been passed on to you at your local supermarket. But it has also sparked much controversy, because rBGH boosts milk's concentration of insulin-like growth factor (IGF), a hormone that's been linked to cancer.
Unlike steroid hormones, which can be taken orally, rBGH and IGF must be injected to have any effect. That's because the process of digestion destroys these "protein" hormones. So drinking milk from hormone-treated cows doesn't transfer the active form of these chemicals to your body. However, there is one ethical downside to consider: It's not good for the cows. Canadian researchers discovered that cows given hormones are more likely to contract an udder infection called mastitis.
What About Antibiotics?
No one really knows. Some scientists argue that milk from cows given antibiotics leads to antibiotic resistance in humans, making these types of drugs less effective when you take them for an infection. But this finding has never been proved.
If you're uneasy, you can purchase antibiotic-free (and typically hormone-free, as well) milk from specialty grocers, such as Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, or select USDA-certified organic milk, which is available at most supermarkets.
Skim or Whole?
It depends on your taste. While you've probably always been told to drink reduced-fat milk, the majority of scientific studies show that drinking whole milk actually improves cholesterol levels, just not as much as drinking skim does.
One recent exception: Danish researchers found that men who consumed a diet rich in whole milk experienced a slight increase in LDL cholesterol (six points). However, it's worth noting that these men drank six 8-ounce glasses a day, an unusually high amount. Even so, their triglycerides--another marker of heart-disease risk—decreased by 22 percent.
The bottom line: Drinking two to three glasses of milk a day, whether it's skim, 2 percent, or whole, lowers the likelihood of both heart attack and stroke—a finding confirmed by British scientists.
If you're dieting, the lower-fat option is an easy way to save a few calories. When it comes to building muscle, though, whole milk may be your best choice: Scientists at the University of Texas medical branch in Galveston found that drinking whole milk after lifting weights boosted muscle protein synthesis—an indicator of muscle growth—2.8 times more than drinking skim did.
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Your workout seems pretty good and yes you do need some cardio to burn some fat speed up metabolism and for health in general.As far as protein you should have a good protein/carbo bar before your workout you need the carbo for energy before the workout.Protein is great after the workout.A can and half of tuna has about 45 grams of protein a day.Also take amino acids it helps the protein assimilate in your body.I would do the cardio on the same days as you workout so your body has time to recuperate.You really can only give a person the basics because each body reacts differently.As you workout you'll find out what works best for you.
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Skim milk is excellent. You get good protein, little carbs and no fat. In terms of something you can drink, there's not much healthier for you. Better to drink a glass of skim milk than fruit juice which is pretty much all wasted calories when you want to cut fat.
If you're serious about gaining muscle, the only thing you will really want to invest in is good protein supplementation unless you can get all you will need from whole foods.
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The current "obsession" with bodybuilding, eating only what is low-fat and low-cholesterol, avoiding sugar and tobacco, and working out using modern exercise machines, has given us the healthiest and heartiest generation since the Garden of Eden.
NOT!
Cancer rates, STD's, diabetes, mental illness, autism, child abuse, and violence have skyrocketed higher than ever before in recorded history - far surpassing epidemic level to the point of being "plagues".
And our educational level has dropped to such an extent that what used to be considered demented perverts and diseased back alley whores are now promoted as a great living artists, showered with millions and millions of dollars, and adored by all.
Gangsters and con-men of the type once routinely sentenced to prison are chosen by unseen powers and elected to lead nations; their every move and word followed on CNN, Twitter, and Facebook.
It's enough to make you want to enjoy a good old fashioned balanced American meal followed by a cup of coffee, kick back on the porch outside with a six pack of beer, and enjoy a good tobacco!
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The current "obsession" with bodybuilding, eating only what is low-fat and low-cholesterol, avoiding sugar and tobacco, and working out using modern exercise machines, has given us the healthiest and heartiest generation since the Garden of Eden.
NOT!
Cancer rates, STD's, diabetes, mental illness, autism, child abuse, and violence have skyrocketed higher than ever before in recorded history - far surpassing epidemic level to the point of being "plagues".
And our educational level has dropped to such an extent that what used to be considered demented perverts and diseased back alley whores are now promoted as a great living artists, showered with millions and millions of dollars, and adored by all.
Gangsters and con-men of the type once routinely sentenced to prison are chosen by unseen powers and elected to lead nations; their every move and word followed on CNN, Twitter, and Facebook.
It's enough to make you want to enjoy a good old fashioned balanced American meal followed by a cup of coffee, kick back on the porch outside with a six pack of beer, and enjoy a good tobacco!
People who do work out should intake sugars and carbs for that energy. Nothing is wrong with beer, beer in moderation is actually good for you. As far as diet goes, ya know they change these diets so many times.. I am not saying eat 10 chocolate bars, drink 12 cans of beer a day and eat a whole fried chicken. But with moderation of anything, before my work out i will eat a protein bar, replenish fluids in my body with Gatorade, I prefer that over just plain water, it has that fuel your body needs after a work out. Then after a good size dinner but the dinner. Have dinners around 5pm or 5: 30 to let it digest.
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Does It Build Muscle?
Absolutely. In fact, milk is one of the best muscle foods on the planet. You see, the protein in milk is about 20 percent whey and 80 percent casein. Both are high-quality proteins, but whey is known as a "fast protein" because it's quickly broken down into amino acids and absorbed into the bloodstream. That makes it a very good protein to consume after your workout.
Casein, on the other hand, is digested more slowly. So it's ideal for providing your body with a steady supply of smaller amounts of protein for a longer period of time—like between meals or while you sleep. Since milk provides both, one big glass gives your body an ideal combination of muscle-building proteins.
Great points. Let's also not forget that calcium levels are critical to building muscle, in addition to the health and strength of bones - which is also important for weight lifting - and milk has a lot of calcium.
Do Hormones Make Milk Unhealthy?
Not unless you're injecting the milk. Here's the full story: In 1993 the FDA approved the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in cattle. This practice resulted in greater milk production at less cost to the dairy farmer, a savings that has been passed on to you at your local supermarket. But it has also sparked much controversy, because rBGH boosts milk's concentration of insulin-like growth factor (IGF), a hormone that's been linked to cancer.
Interestingly, the latest PED suspicions revolve around IGF injections to improve performance. In Tennis the WADA recently altered their position on this highly controversial doping technique. Of course, drinking it in milk is not going to have effects like injection, like this article explains. Or else every tennis coach would be running a dairy farm. (I think most pro tennis players are juicing/doping in one way or another - especially rafael nadal, serena williams, stosur, and many of the women players).
Skim or Whole?
It depends on your taste. While you've probably always been told to drink reduced-fat milk, the majority of scientific studies show that drinking whole milk actually improves cholesterol levels, just not as much as drinking skim does.
Personally, I prefer 1% milk. It's a nice balance between the extremes of whole and skim milk both in terms of fat content and in terms of taste. Once you have it often enough, you get very accustomed to the taste and other types of milk taste very funny to me, and I can usually spot them on taste without seeing the label!
One recent exception: Danish researchers found that men who consumed a diet rich in whole milk experienced a slight increase in LDL cholesterol (six points). However, it's worth noting that these men drank six 8-ounce glasses a day, an unusually high amount. Even so, their triglycerides--another marker of heart-disease risk—decreased by 22 percent.
The bottom line: Drinking two to three glasses of milk a day, whether it's skim, 2 percent, or whole, lowers the likelihood of both heart attack and stroke—a finding confirmed by British scientists.
I didn't know this. That's great!
I really haven't drank as much milk the past few years as I used to, and I was lately thinking about increasing my intake again.
If you're dieting, the lower-fat option is an easy way to save a few calories. When it comes to building muscle, though, whole milk may be your best choice: Scientists at the University of Texas medical branch in Galveston found that drinking whole milk after lifting weights boosted muscle protein synthesis—an indicator of muscle growth—2.8 times more than drinking skim did.
Wow, that's certainly noteworthy. I wonder how 1% milk would fare.
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If you're serious about gaining muscle, the only thing you will really want to invest in is good protein supplementation unless you can get all you will need from whole foods.
For what it's worth, I gained a lot of muscle (18-20 pounds) and I never used protein powder or protein shakes (or any unnatural drugs or steroids of course - I would never use those). I significantly changed my body and frame in my early 20's and it had permanent affects, but my muscles have shrunken down since then though, since I stopped lifting weights and stopped going to the gym. (I also lost a lot of the weight - but my frame is more muscular than before I lifted and muscles are still more toned than before I began - and this is years later). I need to get back into shape again.
I did eat a few "golean bars" at that time, but not really as a regimen, just occasionally for snacks. I don't know how much that helped. I was wary of eating them too often because soy protein increases estrogen levels and that's not good for any man.
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I too was able to gain a lot of muscle back when I was smaller(around 150lbs at the time) than I am now. I'm a shade under 190lbs atm and it's a lot harder to eat clean(no calorie-rich junk food) and get the calories I need to bulk effectively. It's just easier to have protein shakes available wherein a protein shake made with some milk can have the same protein content as a chicken breast and can be consumed easily in a couple seconds with hardly any preparation time. It's just a matter of ease.
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The current "obsession" with bodybuilding, eating only what is low-fat and low-cholesterol, avoiding sugar and tobacco, and working out using modern exercise machines, has given us the healthiest and heartiest generation since the Garden of Eden.
NOT!
Cancer rates, STD's, diabetes, mental illness, autism, child abuse, and violence have skyrocketed higher than ever before in recorded history - far surpassing epidemic level to the point of being "plagues".
It seems the timeline is off, here.
Avoiding sugar and tobacco, or even obsession with it that some people may have these days, is a very NEW phenomenon, and it is a reaction to these staggering rates of health problems. Over-consumption of processed sugars and the common frequent use of tobacco products has led to many of these record rates of health problems.
That smoking cigarettes leads to drastically increased risk of heart disease and cancer is well-supported by scientific evidence and documented fact, and to deny this is to live in delusion. A delusion very dangerous to one's health.
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Processed sugars cause increased insulin release and over time your insulin receptors on fat/muscle cells being dulled. This can lead to type 2 diabetes that you see in many fat people.
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I love to work out, And it is good to know that JTF'rs are into getting strong.
here my pic: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1986/p2009101607.jpg
You have a gud diet, and yes you do need some protein there. If you're serious about gaining muscle, the only thing you will really want to invest in is good protein supplementation unless you can get all you will need from whole foods.
correct me if i'm wrong? I think jews cannot consume protein supplements like Whey, since it contains milk derivatives as well as egg based substances, and both shud not be mixed?
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Processed sugars cause increased insulin release and over time your insulin receptors on fat/muscle cells being dulled. This can lead to type 2 diabetes that you see in many fat people.
Great point, that is also definitely true, and I didn't mean to exclude other health problems when I only mentioned heart disease and cancer.
It's just that these things have cumulative effects and can deteriorate people's health over their lifetimes, so 5 years or so of people decrying sugar and high fructose corn syrup is not going to "erase" the heart problems, obesity, diabetes etc in older people who have imbibed them at high levels for a lifetime and are already having problems.
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I love to work out, And it is good to know that JTF'rs are into getting strong.
here my pic: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1986/p2009101607.jpg
You have a gud diet, and yes you do need some protein there. If you're serious about gaining muscle, the only thing you will really want to invest in is good protein supplementation unless you can get all you will need from whole foods.
correct me if i'm wrong? I think jews cannot consume protein supplements like Whey, since it contains milk derivatives as well as egg based substances, and both shud not be mixed?
Eggs are considered a "parve" food (neither a meat nor a dairy product). Thus, they can be consumed with dairy.
Some protein supplements nowadays have kosher certification.
If one does not have kosher certification, I would recommend for a Jew to post a halachic question to kashrut.org, include the circumstances (why you are taking the supplement for what health reasons, is it with food, as a shake, tastes good, or like a medicine, etc) and list out ingredients as well. There they can tell you if it's kosher. I tend to think those without certification may likely be approved as kosher because I would be surprised if they are putting actual meat products in protein supplements, but hey I could be wrong.
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btw hindu zionist, they usually discourage members from putting up their personal pictures here, although I commend you for keeping in shape and for the healthy habits of working out of course.
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At age 24, your muscles recover quickly. I would do push muscles (chest, shoulders and triceps) then the next day pull muscles (back and biceps) and on the last day, leg muscles. Then start all over again. You can do your abs every day or every other if you like Cardio is up to you but not too much. Also, get protein in you no longer than 90 minutes after any muscle building workout.
When you lift you work groups of muscles first such as shoulder press and then isolate the lifts targeting specific single muscles. If you do cardio, always do it after you do your weights. Running can be rough on your knees. Squats can be rough on your lower back, so stick with leg presses. Shoulder shrugs can pop a disk in your neck so do upright rows instead. Never do shoulder presses or lat pulldowns behind your neck.
Remember that after 24 your body begins to die. Mistakes you can get away with now, may cause pain in just a few years as parts of your body begin to calcify.
David Ben Moshe
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I have been chronically fatigued for the past 15 years. Whenever I go very healthy and increase my protein intake, I feel much better. But I have a hard time with protein. I dont eat breakfast and I just become increasingly lethargic during the day. I tried protein bars, but they all taste like sand. I can barely get up on time even though I get enough sleep and I always awake exhausted. Lastly, I have been checked out 12 ways to Sunday and there is nothing 'medically' wrong with me.
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btw hindu zionist, they usually discourage members from putting up their personal pictures here, although I commend you for keeping in shape and for the healthy habits of working out of course.
its alright.. , but if its a forum policy then i will remove.
thanks for the compliment, but i actually dont have healthy eating habits, i consume fried stuff and sugars, maybe because i have a casually low non-veg diet, it keeps me fit. And i dont even undergo cardiovascular exercises. Only thing i do is lift weights, yoga and eat vegetables, and some white meat on weekends. There is lot of information on the internet, But over the years i understood that only thing that helps in BB is dedication, well as in any field of work.
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Bodybuilders cant fight. You're slow enough if you're taller than 1.75m (in which case you're already big enough for fights), big muscles just make you an egg. There's a reason boxers dont lift
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(I'm not a body builder but I work out.)
Your workout routine looks pretty good except I don't see any abdominal exercises. Situps are good for this, and sometimes gyms have special benches for situps where you can change the incline and make the situps harder. If you still want to lose weight you could add another day of running or increase the time on your run.
Your diet looks pretty impressive except I don't see any vegetables. Maybe put lettuce and tomato on one of your sandwiches and eat a small can of vegetables with your dinner.
Situps? Loooool. A muay thai gym makes lose 30 kilos very fast (muay thai boxers are all lean)
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Yes, egg yolks are bad because of cholesterol. Dan is right, you need more vegetables including salads. Good job on the water [just don't drink too much of it with food because it can dilute digestive juices; sometimes your body needs to focus on nutrient assimilation and digestion and other times hydration but its hard to do both at the same time. I have been told just a few cups of water during meals is ideal and more in between.].
To me it looks like you need to eat more protein. This diet would be great for someone who is not trying to put on mass and muscle, but I don't think you are getting enough grams of protein for the size you are if you are going to be working out, nor for the size you are trying to achieve [if you are trying to put on mass you should consume 1 gram of protein for every pound you currently weigh. You may find yourself needing even more protein, up to 2 grams per pound.]. It is hard to consume enough protein on a regular diet alone, you could always start taking some protein supplements, I take a soy based one myself. My brother usually takes whey based protein. Protein should eaten by spacing it out around the day, not just all in one lump.
I have never been a bodybuilder, but for most of my life I have been active in the gym, and I have been trained a few times by bodybuilders who I have been friends with. I am sure if you Googled bodybuilding you would come across a forum or two with people very focused on the subject who could give superior advice.
I really should get back into the gym myself.
Albomin is the best protein you can get. In some manner better than whey because it has less estrogen. Eating only the protein (the white part)
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Dextrose is the best thing there is for protein synthesis (though must not be taken too much because it kills HGH)
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Eggs are very good source of protein. And eat the whole thing especially the yoke because that is where most of the nutrition is at. Also take multivitamin daily. Besides that can also drink coffee and/or take ginseng for energy before a workout and for better recovery.
Mix cardio + weight training to get stronger + leaner. Also sometimes when possible engage in fun sports like playing basketball or soccer (or something else you enjoy) because it becomes something fun instead of a burden.
Also depending on what you want to accomplish. Either getting leaner, or getting bigger or getting stronger. If to get leaner higher reps (12-15) getting bigger ~10 reps (with more weight) getting stronger less reps more weight and more recovery days for resting. Probably won't and shouldn't be doing much cardio during this time period (for strength gains) as would be required for rest and recovery.
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I used to weigh 270 pounds and right now I weigh 190 pounds. I've lost 80 pounds in the past year and I've been maintaining my weight pretty well. I joined a Gym about a month or so ago and I've been primarily focusing on cardio running 4 times a week for 30 minutes and then lifting weights ever 3 days
This is my workout pattern.
Sunday Running 30 minutes
Monday Run 30 minutes and lift weights http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/machine-bench-press
Warm-up: 15 reps. Heavy weight: 4 Sets of 12-10-10-8
Wednesday Running 30 minutes
Thursday Run 30 minutes and lift weights
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/ez-bar-curl
Warm-up: 15 reps. Heavy weight: 4 sets - 12-10-10-8
And I mix it up sometimes, this is another one I do
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/wide-grip-lat-pulldown
Warm-up: 15 reps. Heavy weight: 4 sets - 12-10-10-8
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/triceps-pushdown-v-bar-attachment
Heavy weight: 4 sets - 12-10-10-8
Diet
Eat oatmeal in the morning
eat a apple or boiled eggs on way to work, someone told me I shouldn't eat the yolk because of cholesterol
tuna sandwich for lunch on wheat bread with another apple or peach
eat some sort of fruit in between about 6 times a day and primarily eating chicken for lunch or dinner or salmon
I been also drinking water bottles 6 times a day.
Anything else I should be doing?
If you're looking for the building part in body building, here's how you do it:
Whatever you do, start somewhere and keep it up for a week; you have to build consistency, or else you can grow big muscles with no endurance and you'll look fat.
I think pull-ups are the best for lots of things, try to do them anywhere. If you can't do them, keep trying to do them, you can jump first or whatever, but once as you can do them, that's fast and the best (right under standing on your hands with your body leaning against the wall, and lifting yourself up and down like that). So start at like [ex.] 30 push-ups, 30 situps, 15 leg up things (where you lie down with your hands behind your head or under your butt if its too hard and just lift your legs and either hold them at 15 inches or lift them from like 15 degrees to 45 degrees with your knees straight), 11 bicep curls at 50 pounds, and then a number of chest and hamstring, shoulder presses (and a good exercise if you have a machine is to remove the handle where the string attached to the weights is, and just start it at like 15-20 pounds, and lean and on something with your other hand so your back is at under 45 degrees, and then grab and pull the string up with your elbow straight so your and reaches just above your back, and keep doing that.) and whatever other exercise you want to do, and do a bit less then the maximum of repetitions you can do 3 times a day (ex 30 x 3 situps for 5-7 days a week). When the new week begins, you will have already found it easy to do that number of reps, so either increase it by five to increase endurance, or with weights, increase the weight to the next level you can do. Even if you're the biggest fatty, just keeping to that routine of always moving up is going to keep you strong, and in time, if doing more then 100 push-ups takes long, so can substitute them for more pull-ups, so you still get stronger.
Eat a lot of meat. I like hemp milk and hemp seeds or hemp bread, because it's the most complete source of protein in terms of the levels of amino acids that I can find, but anything with meat in it is good too, and you need rice and wheat for energy, fruit and vegetables before or nowhere near meals for nutrients and to clean your system.
Also, always do at least five minutes of cardio before working out, and it would be hard to convey quicker ways of stretching, but just stretch first so you don't screw up in one of a million ways for several reasons. For cardio I like to go up by like 2-5 minutes each week before exercising too, and for the last minute no matter how long the total, I put the machine on the max it can go to build discipline endurance. A good way to do abs too is to wrap a towel around a slightly out-hanging pole, wrap your legs around it, and bring your body from the lying down to the sitting up position. Anyways, there's a million things you can do, but the point is consistency; I use a chart and check it off, but you can do whatever you do, but if you don't do it consistently, all this is worthless.
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I started trying a modified version of the Eat To Live diet for about 2 weeks. I lost about 3 or 4 pounds.
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I started trying a modified version of the Eat To Live diet for about 2 weeks. I lost about 3 or 4 pounds.
Diets are for people that want to have a scale to rate how poorly they eat, in order to replace what they know is good and bad for them in the first place. Who says those guys know it all? Just eat rice and meat and lots of vegetables, and don't eat sugar and fat ever except for fruits. You can replace meat with cheese and nuts if all you have is fatty garbage meat. If you make sure, even for just 20 minutes, to exercise every day, you'll be ok.
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Diets are for people that want to have a scale to rate how poorly they eat, in order to replace what they know is good and bad for them in the first place. Who says those guys know it all? Just eat rice and meat and lots of vegetables, and don't eat sugar and fat ever except for fruits. You can replace meat with cheese and nuts if all you have is fatty garbage meat. If you make sure, even for just 20 minutes, to exercise every day, you'll be ok.
I'm sure you're in great shape, but that diet you described is making me nauseous. I agree with the pull ups. Could never do em. Until someone stood there and said like I drill sargent, "do it, pull yourself up, keep pulling, etc." It does so much for making your arms look really good
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Diets are not permanent solution, change your eating habits end exercise.
Why diets are stupid.
By Michelle | Published: August 23, 2002
If you don’t already know, I’m going to be the one to break it to you…and you can trust me on this. Diets are stupid.
The word ‘diet’ has become terribly perverted from its original, life-affirming definition. In the original sense, diet meant: “food and drink regularly provided or consumed; habitual nourishment.” (www.webster.com.) In the last century or so, it has taken on a second, uglier definition: a particular way of eating, especially to achieve weight loss (or, euphemistically, to achieve health, which 95% of the time includes losing weight.) THAT is the kind of diet I’m talking about.
Let me fill you in on a couple things. First of all, a diet in the secondary sense is always temporary. Even if you call it “a whole new way of eating” or a “lifestyle change.” If you’re really and truly making a lifestyle change, it’s probably going to be so gradual that you can’t refer to it collectively. It’s going to fit in seamlessly with your life so that it doesn’t NEED a name all its own. This is the point.
Anyone who says they are embarking on a “lifestyle change” is going on a diet, plain and simple. Sometimes they will insist that the “maintenance” period (which comes after the weight loss) PROVES that what they are doing is for life. Actually, it proves the opposite. If you go from ‘actively losing’ to ‘maintaining’ you have been on a diet. Maintaining itself is a type of diet, though typically not as restrictive as the original weight loss diet. And the funniest part about maintenance? Ask anyone who’s done it: maintenance is hard…even harder than weight loss.
Why is that? Well, one, because the thrill of seeing your body change is gone. The excitement and novelty have worn off by the time you’ve reached maintenance. Now you’re down to the dirty work of trying to convince your body to behave at a certain weight…for the rest of your life. To eat a certain amount, to do a certain exercise. Maintenance is rigid control and every bit as dysfunctional as weight loss…though you may get to eat a whole extra 200 calories per day (yippee.) It’s not surprising that many people succeed at losing massive amounts of weight, only to trip up during the maintenance period.
For this reason, even supposed “lifestyle changes” and “maintenance plans” can be considered dieting. Why? To recap: because they’re restrictive, unrealistic in the long-term, and represent a rift in your life where you’ve abruptly gone from one mode of living to another…one different enough to be affixed with a label. No matter how you spell it, the label always reads “DIET.”
What about those people who have credible success stories? Those people who have lost lots of weight and kept it off (by doing the “diet” thing) for quite a long time? These stories are easy to access on the Internet. But you have to know that you cannot rely on anecdotal reports as evidence that something is true (this is a basic tenet of critical thinking.) The thing is, everyone is different. Why this worked for someone is a great mystery…but chances are, the same thing isn’t going to work for you. I have also noticed that, while on the surface it appears there are a great deal of success stories to be read (especially on the Internet) if you read enough of them, you start noticing that there are probably less than a fifty, just very well recycled.
For statistical evidence, check The National Weight Control Registry, an organization which boasts 3,000 registered members who have successfully kept of about 30 pounds for five years or longer. This sounds pretty impressive, doesn’t it? It gives a weight-watcher reason to hope. But wait a second. According to the Calorie Control Council, there are currently 51 million dieters in the U.S. alone. Of these 51 million, only 3,000 are KNOWN to be successful. What kind of success rate is that? About 0.00006%. You’d be better off spending your Healthy Choice frozen dinner money on lottery tickets.
Not only is dieting a dismal failure for 99.99994% of those who attempt it, studies have shown that dieting is harmful to your health. Restricting food intake can lead not only to nutritional deficiencies, but psychological stress and eating disorders. Excessive exercise can cause physical injury and can be addicting. And yo-yo dieting, the phenomenon whereby most people who lose weight gain it back (and then some) precipitating a cycle of repeated dieting and regain, has been scrutinized in research which suggests it leads to higher mortality rates and can actually make a person FATTER in the long run.
Now, if you’ve ever been duped into dieting, I’m not saying that YOU’RE stupid: not at all. In fact, based on popular information from both media and government sources, you made a pretty reasonable choice. And of course not everyone has the time to be a nutrition scholar. That’s why we have Registered Dietitians and other professionals to help guide people whose lives revolve around things OTHER than nutrition.
To help you make better choices about what to believe in the future, I offer the following advice: do not listen to the popular media when it comes to your health. In most cases, the media is there to provide hard news information and entertainment. They are not health gurus. Journalists do an admirable job to dig up interesting stories, but when it comes to health, this can only make things more confusing.
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I'm sure you're in great shape, but that diet you described is making me nauseous. I agree with the pull ups. Could never do em. Until someone stood there and said like I drill sargent, "do it, pull yourself up, keep pulling, etc." It does so much for making your arms look really good
I think you said somewhere you do 50 pull ups or it was someone else
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I'm sure you're in great shape, but that diet you described is making me nauseous. I agree with the pull ups. Could never do em. Until someone stood there and said like I drill sargent, "do it, pull yourself up, keep pulling, etc." It does so much for making your arms look really good
You must not know how to eat then. A good meal for me is 2-3 pounds of steak or ribs or chicken or deer or wtv, a bunch of rice with lots of real salt, some old-style dijon mustard for my steak and maybe sort of garlicy sause for my rice and meat, and like three pounds of asparagus, or any vegetable, and that you eat before the meal, along with an apple or squeezed lemonade or wtv. Awesome meal, no need for sugar cake or fat cream after.
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You must not know how to eat then. A good meal for me is 2-3 pounds of steak or ribs or chicken or deer or wtv, a bunch of rice with lots of real salt, some old-style dijon mustard for my steak and maybe sort of garlicy sause for my rice and meat, and like three pounds of asparagus, or any vegetable, and that you eat before the meal, along with an apple or squeezed lemonade or wtv. Awesome meal, no need for sugar cake or fat cream after.
Wait, you consume 2-3 pounds of meat at EACH meal?
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Wait, you consume 2-3 pounds of meat at EACH meal?
I only eat twice a day. And yeah, just about. I love meat.
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I only eat twice a day. And yeah, just about. I love meat.
But only twice a day is 4-6 pounds of meat a day. How can you possibly have any room for rice?
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But only twice a day is 4-6 pounds of meat a day. How can you possibly have any room for rice?
pull-ups
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But only twice a day is 4-6 pounds of meat a day. How can you possibly have any room for rice?
To be honest, I never actually weighed it. Like half a chicken or two burgers and a half or an 18oz steak/meal
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I only eat twice a day. And yeah, just about. I love meat.
I dont eat a lot and abusive laxatives
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Glad to see those on JTF who are trying to maintain good health. Diet, Exercise, and good habits contribute to a healthy body...Walking, bicycling, weight training, and other exercise, tennis, jogging, or swimming also keep a body young. Fruits and Vegetables as well as whole grain low fat cereals, and some heart healthy breads, green teas, grapejuices, and acai berry juices help the metabolism speed up.
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Actually, I believe that grains are an enemy of the human body and should not be consumed at all. I don't really want to start a debate about whether or nor people believe that. Suffice it to say that, in my experience, this is the case. The sooner you get off of grains (or at least drastically curtail consumption) the better off you'll be.
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Everything Bees produce is good for man.
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Actually, I believe that grains are an enemy of the human body and should not be consumed at all. I don't really want to start a debate about whether or nor people believe that. Suffice it to say that, in my experience, this is the case. The sooner you get off of grains (or at least drastically curtail consumption) the better off you'll be.
Atkins died buddy. Grains give energy. If you just eat fat and meat, you're lazy and can't think. I think that there is an over-consumption today, but you need enough to give you energy.
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Atkins died buddy. Grains give energy. If you just eat fat and meat, you're lazy and can't think. I think that there is an over-consumption today, but you need enough to give you energy.
Atkins croaked after he fell on an icy sidewalk and split his skull... The guy was also kind of old.
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Atkins croaked after he fell on an icy sidewalk and split his skull... The guy was also kind of old.
Neither make his diet less stupid. I can eat the challah and then run around the block, and I'm good. The challah won't make you become muscle man. Try running up a hill on a steak and some lettuce, though, and you'll croak. People have been eating wheat a lot longer than you've been around. If you have an oven to make bread yourself, too, it's a trillion times better than the crap you get in the stores, and wheat grains cost nothing (and also flour).
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Atkins croaked after he fell on an icy sidewalk and split his skull... The guy was also kind of old.
Wasn't he only like 75?
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Atkins died buddy. Grains give energy. If you just eat fat and meat, you're lazy and can't think. I think that there is an over-consumption today, but you need enough to give you energy.
That's great except I never said anything about Atkins or limiting carbs. I said don't eat grains. Eat a lot of vegetables, some fruit, healthy fats, a lot of lean protein and you will have more energy than you know what to do with. If you believe that energy comes from eating bread, rice, and cereal, then by all means go for it.
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That's great except I never said anything about Atkins or limiting carbs. I said don't eat grains. Eat a lot of vegetables, some fruit, healthy fats, a lot of lean protein and you will have more energy than you know what to do with. If you believe that energy comes from eating bread, rice, and cereal, then by all means go for it.
Vegetables and fruit won't kee you going a whole day. Protein and fat are only burned after carbs, and it's exhausting when it happens. If you sit down all day and then do a half hour weight lifting, cut the carbs. Do you not believe that bread gives you energy?
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Vegetables and fruit won't kee you going a whole day. Protein and fat are only burned after carbs, and it's exhausting when it happens. If you sit down all day and then do a half hour weight lifting, cut the carbs. Do you not believe that bread gives you energy?
Does bread give you energy? Sure. So do doughnuts and 3 tablespoons of sugar. The question is do you want your body to get energy by ingesting food that causes your blood sugar to spike and dip all day long. A dinner roll has a glycemic index over 70. Broccoli has a glycemic index of 15. A dinner roll has roughly the same calories (measure of energy) and carbohydrates as a large stalk of broccoli. The serving size of the broccoli, however, is over 6 times larger by weight than the dinner roll. Couple that with the nutrient content of the broccoli vs the roll (which is next to nothing) and then tell me how you can't get energy from vegetables.
Think of it this way. In my example above, if you apply a tablespoon of mayonnaise to the dinner roll and add 5 oz. of processed meat (cold cuts) you will have a meal with about the same calorie content as sauteing the broccoli in a tablespoon of olive oil and eating it with 5 oz. of chicken or fish or whatever type of meat you prefer. I will tell you, though, that one meal will fill you up, provide a large number of nutrients, not spike your blood sugar or cause your body to produce a massive amount of insulin, and make your brain send you a message to stop eating because you are full. The other will probably leave you wanting some potato chips or dessert to fill you up to satisfaction.
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Does bread give you energy? Sure. So do doughnuts and 3 tablespoons of sugar. The question is do you want your body to get energy by ingesting food that causes your blood sugar to spike and dip all day long. A dinner roll has a glycemic index over 70. Broccoli has a glycemic index of 15. A dinner roll has roughly the same calories (measure of energy) and carbohydrates as a large stalk of broccoli. The serving size of the broccoli, however, is over 6 times larger by weight than the dinner roll. Couple that with the nutrient content of the broccoli vs the roll (which is next to nothing) and then tell me how you can't get energy from vegetables.
Think of it this way. In my example above, if you apply a tablespoon of mayonnaise to the dinner roll and add 5 oz. of processed meat (cold cuts) you will have a meal with about the same calorie content as sauteing the broccoli in a tablespoon of olive oil and eating it with 5 oz. of chicken or fish or whatever type of meat you prefer. I will tell you, though, that one meal will fill you up, provide a large number of nutrients, not spike your blood sugar or cause your body to produce a massive amount of insulin, and make your brain send you a message to stop eating because you are full. The other will probably leave you wanting some potato chips or dessert to fill you up to satisfaction.
Doughnuts suck and sugar kills testosterone. I also have no clue what a dinner roll is, I researched it and found this (http://www.itsfordinner.com/media/uploads/recipe/dinner-rolls/rolls-fully-baked_jpg_600x400_crop_q85.jpg) and it sounds like a tubby snack. White bread is useless, anyways. Hemp bread is infinitely better, and comes highly recommended by my mma friend.
Broccoli rocks for sure. I barbeque that and asparagus and zucchini and peppers and [censored] and it's great for you. There are, however, plenty of nutrients in brown bread, (I'm pretty sure the black bread is a jip) so crush up garlic with butter and throw it on the bbq until its garlic bread, and you're doing great with that and some fish or anything with meat in it.
Can you bike for four hours on even a stalk forest of broccoli?
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Doughnuts suck and sugar kills testosterone. I also have no clue what a dinner roll is, I researched it and found this (http://www.itsfordinner.com/media/uploads/recipe/dinner-rolls/rolls-fully-baked_jpg_600x400_crop_q85.jpg) and it sounds like a tubby snack. White bread is useless, anyways. Hemp bread is infinitely better, and comes highly recommended by my mma friend.
Broccoli rocks for sure. I barbeque that and asparagus and zucchini and peppers and [censored] and it's great for you. There are, however, plenty of nutrients in brown bread, (I'm pretty sure the black bread is a jip) so crush up garlic with butter and throw it on the bbq until its garlic bread, and you're doing great with that and some fish or anything with meat in it.
Can you bike for four hours on even a stalk forest of broccoli?
Actually, the dinner roll that I used in my example was whole wheat not useless white bread. As for biking 4 hours, as long as you ingest an equal amount of calories of any food, you will have the energy to start your bike trek. You're actually making my point when you ask about 4 hours, though. A high glycemic carbohydrate will give you an initial energy spike followed by an eventual energy dip after time. So the answer to your question is, yes, I can bike for 4 hours if I eat a stalk forest of broccoli, provided the amount yields the required number of calories for a 4 hour bike trek. But I would probably choose to only eat one stalk and plenty of MEAT...mmmm. ;D
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Actually, the dinner roll that I used in my example was whole wheat not useless white bread. As for biking 4 hours, as long as you ingest an equal amount of calories of any food, you will have the energy to start your bike trek. You're actually making my point when you ask about 4 hours, though. A high glycemic carbohydrate will give you an initial energy spike followed by an eventual energy dip after time. So the answer to your question is, yes, I can bike for 4 hours if I eat a stalk forest of broccoli, provided the amount yields the required number of calories for a 4 hour bike trek. But I would probably choose to only eat one stalk and plenty of MEAT...mmmm. ;D
Fine. I just like to eat fresh baked bread, and I do fine. You eat your brocolli, and I'll put my vegetables in my triple decker manwich. You can eat bread and stay healthy if you work out though.
Also, complex carbs, as found in whole wheat, are not fast acting. Sugars are fast acting because they're simple carbs, or the fatty roll or wtv. At least that's what I heard...
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Fine. I just like to eat fresh baked bread, and I do fine. You eat your brocolli, and I'll put my vegetables in my triple decker manwich. You can eat bread and stay healthy if you work out though.
Also, complex carbs, as found in whole wheat, are not fast acting. Sugars are fast acting because they're simple carbs, or the fatty roll or wtv. At least that's what I heard...
As I stated in my original post, I'm not going to try to convince people of something that they don't want to be convinced about. I used to think bread and grains were okay too. My current view is a result of research and first hand experience. Enjoy your whole wheat, complex carbohydrate bread.
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As I stated in my original post, I'm not going to try to convince people of something that they don't want to be convinced about. I used to think bread and grains were okay too. My current view is a result of research and first hand experience. Enjoy your whole wheat, complex carbohydrate bread.
Where is your research. I have several doctors in my family, and will be happy to discuss your findings with them. "Something they don't want to be convinced about" wtf bro im not an arab. If you have proof show it, or if you're afraid i'll devour you arguments, then they aren't very good...
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Where is your research. I have several doctors in my family, and will be happy to discuss your findings with them. "Something they don't want to be convinced about" wtf bro im not an arab. If you have proof show it, or if you're afraid i'll devour you arguments, then they aren't very good...
Sigh!
Read all you can about the Paleo diet, or I should say way of eating because the word "diet" has a lousy connotation.
Find yourself a doctor who believes that maintaining a healthy body is more important and beneficial than treating a sick one with pharmaceutical drugs.
Stop eating grains and dairy products (for real, no cheating) for a month and see the results.
This is what I did. So...
You can google Paleo and read the first few lines of the info you find and dismiss it.
You can tell me that there's no difference between doctors, they all pretty much know the same thing, although I would argue against that since I've brought up stuff with my primary physician that he had no clue about (this is where you respond that my primary is a bad doctor and I should change him. Actually he is quite open minded about researching and learning and does not suffer from a G-d complex).
And you can tell me the results I've gotten must be from something else and not from eliminating grains and dairy. Trouble is, I didn't do anything else. I chose to do this because of some lingering injuries that were taking way too long to heal and that had all but eliminated my ability to do my workouts. All I did was change what I ate. Didn't change the amount, didn't count calories, or blocks, or points. Didn't starve myself or skip meals. Didn't drink my breakfast or lunch. Just cut out grains and dairy.
So what were my results?
Dropped 15 lbs. in one month.
Lingering aches and pains either went away or were dramatically reduced.
Consistent energy levels throughout the day (no need to provide you with internet links to back this up. I have a glucose meter that I used regularly which never registered readings with greater than a 20 mg/dL fluctuation).
And, just so you have an idea of the food that I'm eating, here's a sample day.
Breakfast: bowl of assorted sauteed vegetables (onions, peppers, broccoli, cabbage, sweet potato) with chicken, grapes.
Lunch: large salad with grilled chicken.
Snack: walnuts.
Dinner: Flounder, zucchini, cauliflower, onions, cantaloupe, raspberries.
Everything is cooked or dressed with extra virgin olive oil. Occasionally I may have a glass of wine (or two) with dinner.
So, please, go ahead and tell me how I am not getting the nutrition and "energy" that I need by not including a few slices of whole wheat bread, a glass of milk, a serving of brown rice and some grated cheese in my diet.
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Sigh!
Read all you can about the Paleo diet, or I should say way of eating because the word "diet" has a lousy connotation.
Find yourself a doctor who believes that maintaining a healthy body is more important and beneficial than treating a sick one with pharmaceutical drugs.
Stop eating grains and dairy products (for real, no cheating) for a month and see the results.
This is what I did. So...
You can google Paleo and read the first few lines of the info you find and dismiss it.
You can tell me that there's no difference between doctors, they all pretty much know the same thing, although I would argue against that since I've brought up stuff with my primary physician that he had no clue about (this is where you respond that my primary is a bad doctor and I should change him. Actually he is quite open minded about researching and learning and does not suffer from a G-d complex).
And you can tell me the results I've gotten must be from something else and not from eliminating grains and dairy. Trouble is, I didn't do anything else. I chose to do this because of some lingering injuries that were taking way too long to heal and that had all but eliminated my ability to do my workouts. All I did was change what I ate. Didn't change the amount, didn't count calories, or blocks, or points. Didn't starve myself or skip meals. Didn't drink my breakfast or lunch. Just cut out grains and dairy.
So what were my results?
Dropped 15 lbs. in one month.
Lingering aches and pains either went away or were dramatically reduced.
Consistent energy levels throughout the day (no need to provide you with internet links to back this up. I have a glucose meter that I used regularly which never registered readings with greater than a 20 mg/dL fluctuation).
And, just so you have an idea of the food that I'm eating, here's a sample day.
Breakfast: bowl of assorted sauteed vegetables (onions, peppers, broccoli, cabbage, sweet potato) with chicken, grapes.
Lunch: large salad with grilled chicken.
Snack: walnuts.
Dinner: Flounder, zucchini, cauliflower, onions, cantaloupe, raspberries.
Everything is cooked or dressed with extra virgin olive oil. Occasionally I may have a glass of wine (or two) with dinner.
So, please, go ahead and tell me how I am not getting the nutrition and "energy" that I need by not including a few slices of whole wheat bread, a glass of milk, a serving of brown rice and some grated cheese in my diet.
“Welcome to the original site for the Paleo Diet, your lifelong plan to optimize health and well being."
New York Times Bestselling Author
Loren Cordain, Ph.D., the world’s leading expert on Paleolithic diets and founder of the Paleo movement
The Paleo Diet is based upon eating wholesome, contemporary foods from the food groups our hunter-gatherer ancestors would have thrived on during the Paleolithic era, the time period from about 2.6 million years ago to the beginning of the agricultural revolution, about 10,000 years ago. These foods include fresh meats (preferably grass-produced or free-ranging beef, pork, lamb, poultry, and game meat, if you can get it), fish, seafood, fresh fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, and healthful oils (olive, coconut, avocado, macadamia, walnut and flaxseed). Dairy products, cereal grains, legumes, refined sugars and processed foods were not part of our ancestral menu.
Decades of research by Dr. Loren Cordain and his scientific colleagues demonstrate that hunter-gatherers typically were free from the chronic illnesses and diseases that are epidemic in Western populations, including:
Obesity (they would starve, if they actually existed)
Cardiovascular disease (heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis) (
Type 2 diabetes
Cancer
Autoimmune diseases (multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, etc.)
Osteoporosis
Acne
Myopia (nearsightedness), macular degeneration, glaucoma
Varicose veins, hemorrhoids, diverticulosis, gastric reflux
Gout
Since she doesn't actually have an ancient sub-human to test on, this is demagogue bullschlacha.
Higher protein intake – Protein comprises 15 % of the calories in the average western diet, which is considerably lower than the average values of 19-35 % found in hunter-gatherer diets. Meat, seafood, and other animal products represent the staple foods of modern day Paleo diets.
35% protein is legit. I'm down with that. It's expensive, though.
Lower carbohydrate intake and lower glycemic index – Non-starchy fresh fruits and vegetables represent the main carbohydrate source and will provide for 35-45 % of your daily calories. Almost all of these foods have low glycemic indices that are slowly digested and absorbed, and won’t spike blood sugar levels.
There are starchy fruits and vegetables?
Higher fiber intake – Dietary fiber is essential for good health, and despite what we’re told, whole grains aren’t the place to find it. Non-starchy vegetables contain eight times more fiber than whole grains and 31 times more than refined grains. Even fruits contain twice as much fiber as whole grains and seven times more than refined grains.
I agree with this completely. Hemp has even more fiber than any of this too. I still like grains for their energy, which there is a lot of.
Moderate to higher fat intake dominated by monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats with balanced Omega-3 and Omega-6 fats – It is not the total amount of fat in your diet that raises your blood cholesterol levels and increases your risk for heart disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes, but rather the type of fat. Cut the trans fats and the Omega-6 polyunsaturated fats in your diet and increase the healthful monounsaturated and Omega-3 fats that were the mainstays of Stone Age diets. Recent large population studies known as meta analyses show that saturated fats have little or no adverse effects upon cardiovascular disease risk.
Omega-6 won't make you fat really, but if you consume a ratio of it greater than 1:4 (O6:O3), it promotes free radical growth in your body, which is bad and will make cancer in time. Trans-fat is very bad, as it does not store properly, so it makes heart disease and obesity, and it's a pain to work off. Anything outside of breast milk with trans-fat, hands off. Saturated fats make you fatter faster than any other fat (except trans). I don't know where she got her study from, but cardiovascular disease isn't really the issue for me.
Higher potassium and lower sodium intake – Unprocessed, fresh foods naturally contain 5 to 10 times more potassium than sodium, and Stone Age bodies were adapted to this ratio. Potassium is necessary for the heart, kidneys, and other organs to work properly. Low potassium is associated with high blood pressure, heart disease, and stroke – the same problems linked to excessive dietary sodium. Today, the average American consumes about twice as much sodium as potassium.
I am vehemently oppose to the tirade against salt. Salt as found in the stores, aka. sodium chloride (NaCl2) is not in fact salt, it is naked salt. Salt is one of the most complex molecules found in nature having over 100 of the known elements in a single molecule. It is extremely important for male development, and reduces your risk of heart disease. You can tell it's real salt if it's wet, as it contains magnesium, which is a water-hogging element, and one of the first they'll take out in order to sell it. That's right, sea salt or river salt or bathtub salt or wherever they find it is irrelevant because so long as they strip most of the elements off for sale, it suddenly becomes bad for your heart. Real salt or not, you need it for testosterone production, so I use a lot.
Net dietary alkaline load that balances dietary acid – After digestion, all foods present either a net acid or alkaline load to the kidneys. Acid producers are meats, fish, grains, legumes, cheese, and salt. Alkaline-yielding foods are fruits and veggies. A lifetime of excessive dietary acid may promote bone and muscle loss, high blood pressure, and increased risk for kidney stones, and may aggravate asthma and exercise-induced asthma.
That is true, and high acidity foods cause cancer, which should also include sugar. Acidic things like lemons, on a side note reduce the acid in your body. It's important to balance these, however, as your body should always be slightly acidic.
Higher intake of, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and plant phytochemicals – Whole grains are not a good substitute for lean meats, fruits, and veggies, as they contain no vitamin C, vitamin A, or vitamin B12. Many of the minerals and some of the B vitamins whole grains do contain are not well absorbed by the body.
I agree completely. And I also eat grains, and do just fine.
I weigh 200 pounds when I'm doing hardcore cardio, so I need more energy than most. I don't want to lose weight, and have no aches and pains unassociated with my injuries, so none of your listed benefits are my selling point. If you want to stay lean, do that, but your getting into the protein fast if you work out a lot, and you're wasting it. I like to gain a good two or so pounds a week working out, and grains keep me from getting into my protein fast, because I can't afford a 35% meat diet.
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"(Clearly, wine would never have been available to our ancestors, but the 85:15 rule allows you to consume three non-Paleo meals per week.)"
Lol this dumb [censored]
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Coming soon: I am going to borrow a camera from someone who has one and take a picture of my back, for all to see the results of my diet. I call it the whatever I feel like eating except sugar I eat so long as I workout diet.
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Whatever dude. As I said originally, I don't really care to convince people about anything or to "turn" anyone into thinking a particular way or doing anything. Welcome to 2013, where internet posts and articles by journalists trump research, working with a knowledgeable doctor, and seeing results from actually trying something instead of reading about it. That being said, regarding your comments...
Since she doesn't actually have an ancient sub-human to test on, this is demagogue bullschlacha.
It is not based on the physiology of an ancient sub-human but on what people ate prior to the agricultural revolution. There are still people living today who eat this way so HE doesn't have to have an ancient man to study.
35% protein is legit. I'm down with that. It's expensive, though.
Yep, that it is. Only an individual can determine his or her priorities when it comes to choosing how to spend their money.
I agree with this completely. Hemp has even more fiber than any of this too. I still like grains for their energy, which there is a lot of.
You keep saying "energy", what do you mean? As I've said, calories are a measure of a food's energy. I don't understand how 200 calories of grains has more "energy" than 200 calories of vegetables and fruits.
There are starchy fruits and vegetables?
Yes. They are called potatoes, yams, carrots, turnips, pumpkins, corn, bananas, dried figs, prunes, raisins.
I weigh 200 pounds when I'm doing hardcore cardio, so I need more energy than most. I don't want to lose weight, and have no aches and pains unassociated with my injuries, so none of your listed benefits are my selling point. If you want to stay lean, do that, but your getting into the protein fast if you work out a lot, and you're wasting it. I like to gain a good two or so pounds a week working out, and grains keep me from getting into my protein fast, because I can't afford a 35% meat diet.
I'm very happy for you. I'm curious as to how old you are. I used to work out too (heavy weight training 4xweek, cardio 5xweek) and I was in damn good shape. The injuries that I mentioned have sidelined me from my workout routine for over a year. Over that time I was not eating nearly as much as when I was working out and yet I gained 25 lbs. Over the last month, by changing what I eat, not how much I eat, I've lost 15 lbs. This week, because of the elimination of the pain from my injuries, I began working out again. I'll start off slowly but plan to ramp it up to where I was over a year ago. I will most certainly change the amount of food I eat when that happens but not the content and I'll be curious to see the results. As for getting into your protein, I think what you mean is not getting enough energy from carbs and having your body use up muscle mass for energy. Since I plan on getting all the energy I need from a good amount of non-grain carbs, I'm not overly concerned about that. When I get back to the level of exercise that I'm aiming for, though, I'll certainly let you know if I begin losing muscle mass vs gaining it.
One more thing, which is purely anecdotal. There are two individuals that I'm acquainted with, one at work and one friend, who have a very high metabolism and have always been lacking any visible flab or fat. Anyone looking at them would say they were in pretty good shape. One is not too active and the other one runs regularly. One's predominant choice of lunch consists of a McDonald's value meal. The other consumes at least a six pack of Coke a day (that's right AT LEAST a six pack). No diet Coke here, we're talking about the real thing. One is now in his 50's and the other is in his 40's and they are both showing the telltale belly fat loaf around the waist area. I never considered either one to be healthy regardless of what they looked like in the past and, now that they are older and their metabolism has slowed down, the appearance of the belly fat confirms that. So, it's not only about how you look, it's also about what you are eating and the effects of your diet on your health.
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"(Clearly, wine would never have been available to our ancestors, but the 85:15 rule allows you to consume three non-Paleo meals per week.)"
Lol this dumb [censored]
No, but fermented fruit was. As for the wine, everyone has his vices. I don't think a glass of wine (or occasionally 2 glasses, or possibly 3 glasses, or every now and then 4 glasses......) is too bad. :)
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Whatever dude. As I said originally, I don't really care to convince people about anything or to "turn" anyone into thinking a particular way or doing anything. Welcome to 2013, where internet posts and articles by journalists trump research, working with a knowledgeable doctor, and seeing results from actually trying something instead of reading about it. That being said, regarding your comments...
It is not based on the physiology of an ancient sub-human but on what people ate prior to the agricultural revolution. There are still people living today who eat this way so HE doesn't have to have an ancient man to study.
Yep, that it is. Only an individual can determine his or her priorities when it comes to choosing how to spend their money.
You keep saying "energy", what do you mean? As I've said, calories are a measure of a food's energy. I don't understand how 200 calories of grains has more "energy" than 200 calories of vegetables and fruits.
Yes. They are called potatoes, yams, carrots, turnips, pumpkins, corn, bananas, dried figs, prunes, raisins.
I'm very happy for you. I'm curious as to how old you are. I used to work out too (heavy weight training 4xweek, cardio 5xweek) and I was in damn good shape. The injuries that I mentioned have sidelined me from my workout routine for over a year. Over that time I was not eating nearly as much as when I was working out and yet I gained 25 lbs. Over the last month, by changing what I eat, not how much I eat, I've lost 15 lbs. This week, because of the elimination of the pain from my injuries, I began working out again. I'll start off slowly but plan to ramp it up to where I was over a year ago. I will most certainly change the amount of food I eat when that happens but not the content and I'll be curious to see the results. As for getting into your protein, I think what you mean is not getting enough energy from carbs and having your body use up muscle mass for energy. Since I plan on getting all the energy I need from a good amount of non-grain carbs, I'm not overly concerned about that. When I get back to the level of exercise that I'm aiming for, though, I'll certainly let you know if I begin losing muscle mass vs gaining it.
One more thing, which is purely anecdotal. There are two individuals that I'm acquainted with, one at work and one friend, who have a very high metabolism and have always been lacking any visible flab or fat. Anyone looking at them would say they were in pretty good shape. One is not too active and the other one runs regularly. One's predominant choice of lunch consists of a McDonald's value meal. The other consumes at least a six pack of Coke a day (that's right AT LEAST a six pack). No diet Coke here, we're talking about the real thing. One is now in his 50's and the other is in his 40's and they are both showing the telltale belly fat loaf around the waist area. I never considered either one to be healthy regardless of what they looked like in the past and, now that they are older and their metabolism has slowed down, the appearance of the belly fat confirms that. So, it's not only about how you look, it's also about what you are eating and the effects of your diet on your health.
If you like the diet, more power to you. I'm just a pathological debater, so I have to oppose it for the sake of argument. And every girl I've ever met tells me about their stupid diet, so I will oppose diets by default.
200 calories of asparagus is going to cost more and take a lot longer to make than a sandwich. 200 calories are the same calories regardless of the food, but you can substitute a giant plate of vegetables for a bowl of brown or wild rice. You still need vegetables too, but if you keep your proportions straight, the rice shouldn't be any different for you than the bowl of vegetables, except for the glycemic index, but I could care less about my blood sugar.
I like all those starchy vegetables then, too. You don't eat carrots??
I'm in my 20s. I'm not in perfect shape, but I can still do pull-ups and head-kicks, so I do OK. I'm sorry to hear about your injury. I recently multiply fractred my collar bone, then the collar bone got jammed into my shoulder muscle, and then marrow came out of the bone and hardened making an arthritic spike. The doctor said a bunch of garbage, but they can't do anything, so I can work out, it's just immensely painful. I slowed down at first, but I've always had a high tolerance to pain and everything, so I get by.
I know people with stupid fast metabolisms too. I have actually an extremely low metabolism, not to the point where it's dangerous, but as low as it could naturally be. I eat something and if I burb the next day, it can taste like it. When I was young, I was fat, and then I just stopped eating sugar and worked out a lot for two months, and then I wasn't fat. Easy. Gaining weight to where I am now was hard, but totally worth it. Anyone at any age can do it, but at least, whether your diet makes you Brad Pitt or not, you have to admit that eating healthy and getting in shape is not hard, is mostly based on common sense, and you don't need someone talking about fantasy cavemen to do it right.
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If you like the diet, more power to you. I'm just a pathological debater, so I have to oppose it for the sake of argument. And every girl I've ever met tells me about their stupid diet, so I will oppose diets by default.
200 calories of asparagus is going to cost more and take a lot longer to make than a sandwich. 200 calories are the same calories regardless of the food, but you can substitute a giant plate of vegetables for a bowl of brown or wild rice. You still need vegetables too, but if you keep your proportions straight, the rice shouldn't be any different for you than the bowl of vegetables, except for the glycemic index, but I could care less about my blood sugar.
I like all those starchy vegetables then, too. You don't eat carrots??
I'm in my 20s. I'm not in perfect shape, but I can still do pull-ups and head-kicks, so I do OK. I'm sorry to hear about your injury. I recently multiply fractred my collar bone, then the collar bone got jammed into my shoulder muscle, and then marrow came out of the bone and hardened making an arthritic spike. The doctor said a bunch of garbage, but they can't do anything, so I can work out, it's just immensely painful. I slowed down at first, but I've always had a high tolerance to pain and everything, so I get by.
I know people with stupid fast metabolisms too. I have actually an extremely low metabolism, not to the point where it's dangerous, but as low as it could naturally be. I eat something and if I burb the next day, it can taste like it. When I was young, I was fat, and then I just stopped eating sugar and worked out a lot for two months, and then I wasn't fat. Easy. Gaining weight to where I am now was hard, but totally worth it. Anyone at any age can do it, but at least, whether your diet makes you Brad Pitt or not, you have to admit that eating healthy and getting in shape is not hard, is mostly based on common sense, and you don't need someone talking about fantasy cavemen to do it right.
LOL..I'm going to stop now because I'm also a chronic debater and between the two of us this thread will go on until one of us drops dead. And considering that you're in your 20s and I'm 51, it will probably be me so you will win the debate by default, and I can't have that. Better to declare the debate a stalemate than risk losing because of death.
In all seriousness, though, this is not a "diet" per se, it's just omitting certain foods you consume. There's nothing wrong with starchy vegetables or fruits. I love them and eat them too. By mixing up your veggies and adding fruit and fat to your diet, you will have no problem reaching a proper total daily calorie count. It will not bankrupt you or take too long to make. I will say, though, that this is definitely a more expensive way of eating, but not necessarily prohibitive.
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LOL..I'm going to stop now because I'm also a chronic debater and between the two of us this thread will go on until one of us drops dead. And considering that you're in your 20s and I'm 51, it will probably be me so you will win the debate by default, and I can't have that. Better to declare the debate a stalemate than risk losing because of death.
In all seriousness, though, this is not a "diet" per se, it's just omitting certain foods you consume. There's nothing wrong with starchy vegetables or fruits. I love them and eat them too. By mixing up your veggies and adding fruit and fat to your diet, you will have no problem reaching a proper total daily calorie count. It will not bankrupt you or take too long to make. I will say, though, that this is definitely a more expensive way of eating, but not necessarily prohibitive.
I can not stress more that people should include good quantities of light veggies and fruit in their daily diet. I don't count calories, but while I can say I would not eat only what is in your diet, I would say that the things you are eating are the base essentials, and should show up on your plate every day.
If you are looking to get in shape, however, food makes some difference, but exercise is the most important, and more exercise erases more of any food; if people spent as much time is their diet regime as making a workout schedule, we'd all be much healthier.
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Changed my mind, f your diet
http://www.mangoboss.com/HerbsandFoodstoBoostTestosterone?utm_source=taboola
Dieting fads are typically considered unmanly and here’s
another reason why: they can lower your sex hormone
levels. A widely cited Penn State study of 12 healthy men
found that low-carbohydrate and high protein diets can
eventually slow down testosterone production.
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Changed my mind, f your diet
http://www.mangoboss.com/HerbsandFoodstoBoostTestosterone?utm_source=taboola
Dieting fads are typically considered unmanly and here’s
another reason why: they can lower your sex hormone
levels. A widely cited Penn State study of 12 healthy men
found that low-carbohydrate and high protein diets can
eventually slow down testosterone production.
Wow man, learn to read. It is not a LOW carb diet. Just because you don't eat grains, which are carb dense, does not mean your whole meal consists of bacon wrapped steaks with a side of eggs and pork chops.
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Wow man, learn to read. It is not a LOW carb diet. Just because you don't eat grains, which are carb dense, does not mean your whole meal consists of bacon wrapped steaks with a side of eggs and pork chops.
I still think diets are for fags. Men pump iron. That's the truth. If you don't cut me loose here, I'm going to keep searching for ways to disprove your diet.
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I still think diets are for fags. Men pump iron. That's the truth. If you don't cut me loose here, I'm going to keep searching for ways to disprove your diet.
I see you chose to ignore my request that you learn to read. So be it.
A "diet" can mean a limitation of the amount of food eaten along with a fixation on calorie counting down to single digits that someone follows for a prescribed amount of time in order to lose weight. This is not what I am referring to.
I am referring to a person's diet, as in the food they eat. Got it? Not a "fad" or a "system" or a "support group" or a "program".
It's very simple really.
Don't eat grains, legumes or dairy.
Eat whatever the hell else you want and as much of it as you can, although I'd say most people would be pretty hard pressed to eat a few of pounds of meat, fruits, and vegetables in one sitting.
So have at it. Go ahead and disprove my radical diet which says eat meat, vegetables and fruit and don't worry so much about the amount.
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I see you chose to ignore my request that you learn to read. So be it.
A "diet" can mean a limitation of the amount of food eaten along with a fixation on calorie counting down to single digits that someone follows for a prescribed amount of time in order to lose weight. This is not what I am referring to.
I am referring to a person's diet, as in the food they eat. Got it? Not a "fad" or a "system" or a "support group" or a "program".
It's very simple really.
Don't eat grains, legumes or dairy.
Eat whatever the hell else you want and as much of it as you can, although I'd say most people would be pretty hard pressed to eat a few of pounds of meat, fruits, and vegetables in one sitting.
So have at it. Go ahead and disprove my radical diet which says eat meat, vegetables and fruit and don't worry so much about the amount.
Please don't try to insult me. It changes the way I think when that happens. I did read your post, buddy, and I realize your diet has carbs in it. I still think rice and bread are meant to be eaten. No potatoes no vodka. Either way, brown rice lowers your stupid glucose level anyways http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17127465. There are hundreds of other benefits for the foods you're cutting, so I say everything in moderation. If you had a proposal that a moderate amount of these should be low, I'd consider listening to you while I read your posts.
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Please don't try to insult me. It changes the way I think when that happens. I did read your post, buddy, and I realize your diet has carbs in it. I still think rice and bread are meant to be eaten. No potatoes no vodka. Either way, brown rice lowers your stupid glucose level anyways http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17127465. There are hundreds of other benefits for the foods you're cutting, so I say everything in moderation. If you had a proposal that a moderate amount of these should be low, I'd consider listening to you while I read your posts.
I didn't insult you. I merely questioned your reading comprehension skills.
Regarding the link you posted, brown rice does not lower your glucose level. It increases it. All the link proves is that brown rice increases your sugar level at a lower rate than milled rice. Okay, I agree with that but would argue that neither of them are necessarily healthy.
As for moderation, I presume you mean moderation as limiting the number of meals that you eat a particular food vs moderation as in not eating 5 lbs. of something in one sitting. Fine. If you need to eat whole wheat bread and brown rice then by all means have it in moderation. But ask yourself this. If whole wheat bread and brown rice are such necessary and healthy foods, why do you need to moderate your intake of them? The USDA food pyramid says you need to eat 6-11 servings of grains a day. The high number is for a higher calorie diet so, according to your previous posts on what you eat, you should be getting 11 servings of grains daily. Go ahead and have 11 slices of bread, or 5.5 cups of rice, or 5.5 cups of pasta, or 11 ounces of cereal a day.
Here's an excerpt from a newsletter I get. This particular article discusses the Paleo diet and under the "major disadvantages" section they write this.
"Whole Grains. Intact whole grains are an important part of an individual’s diet as they contain many nutrients including carbohydrates, protein, fiber, B vitamins, antioxidants, vitamin E and minerals. "
This would be a laughable statement if it weren't printed in a newsletter from a medical association. What does it even mean? That fruits and vegetable don't contain as many nutrients as whole grains? That you can't get all these nutrients if you don't eat whole grains?
Another quote.
"Beans and peas are some of the best sources of dietary fiber and protein, and also provide important nutrients such as iron, zinc, potassium and folate."
Really? Beans and peas are some of the best sources of protein? Better than chicken, fish and beef? As for the nutrients, aren't they present in many vegetables as well?
They go on to tout the benefits of fat-free and low-fat dairy foods, another bunch of crap. Go ahead and have some fat-free american cheese slices, which even have an American Heart Association stamp on them so they HAVE to be good for you. How can they not with such ingredients as corn syrup, modified food starch, artificial flavor, sorbic acid, artificial color, mmm, just thinking about it makes my mouth water. This is what passes for conventional medical wisdom on healthy eating today.
Lastly, I'm sure you're familiar with the scientific method. Well. this is what I basically used to come up with my current view.
1. Ask a Question
Can your diet adversely affect your health?
2. Do Background Research
Read three books, a number of articles, and spoke to three medical professionals.
3. Construct a Hypothesis
Eating the recommended amounts of grains and dairy products may be adversely affecting my health.
4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Eliminated grains, dairy, and legumes from my diet for one month. Ate lean meat, healthy fats, vegetables, fruit, nuts without reducing the amount of food eaten or counting calories. Did not increase my activity level.
5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Dropped 15 lbs. Reduced my waist size by about 3 inches. Chronic aches and pains were either eliminated or greatly reduced.
6. Communicate Your Results
Well, I'm communicating them.
So please, kindly answer two questions for me.
What caused the results I got above?
Out of the hundreds of benefits for the foods I'm cutting, can you please list 10?
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I didn't insult you. I merely questioned your reading comprehension skills.
Regarding the link you posted, brown rice does not lower your glucose level. It increases it. All the link proves is that brown rice increases your sugar level at a lower rate than milled rice. Okay, I agree with that but would argue that neither of them are necessarily healthy.
As for moderation, I presume you mean moderation as limiting the number of meals that you eat a particular food vs moderation as in not eating 5 lbs. of something in one sitting. Fine. If you need to eat whole wheat bread and brown rice then by all means have it in moderation. But ask yourself this. If whole wheat bread and brown rice are such necessary and healthy foods, why do you need to moderate your intake of them? The USDA food pyramid says you need to eat 6-11 servings of grains a day. The high number is for a higher calorie diet so, according to your previous posts on what you eat, you should be getting 11 servings of grains daily. Go ahead and have 11 slices of bread, or 5.5 cups of rice, or 5.5 cups of pasta, or 11 ounces of cereal a day.
Here's an excerpt from a newsletter I get. This particular article discusses the Paleo diet and under the "major disadvantages" section they write this.
"Whole Grains. Intact whole grains are an important part of an individual’s diet as they contain many nutrients including carbohydrates, protein, fiber, B vitamins, antioxidants, vitamin E and minerals. "
This would be a laughable statement if it weren't printed in a newsletter from a medical association. What does it even mean? That fruits and vegetable don't contain as many nutrients as whole grains? That you can't get all these nutrients if you don't eat whole grains?
Another quote.
"Beans and peas are some of the best sources of dietary fiber and protein, and also provide important nutrients such as iron, zinc, potassium and folate."
Really? Beans and peas are some of the best sources of protein? Better than chicken, fish and beef? As for the nutrients, aren't they present in many vegetables as well?
They go on to tout the benefits of fat-free and low-fat dairy foods, another bunch of crap. Go ahead and have some fat-free american cheese slices, which even have an American Heart Association stamp on them so they HAVE to be good for you. How can they not with such ingredients as corn syrup, modified food starch, artificial flavor, sorbic acid, artificial color, mmm, just thinking about it makes my mouth water. This is what passes for conventional medical wisdom on healthy eating today.
Lastly, I'm sure you're familiar with the scientific method. Well. this is what I basically used to come up with my current view.
1. Ask a Question
Can your diet adversely affect your health?
2. Do Background Research
Read three books, a number of articles, and spoke to three medical professionals.
3. Construct a Hypothesis
Eating the recommended amounts of grains and dairy products may be adversely affecting my health.
4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Eliminated grains, dairy, and legumes from my diet for one month. Ate lean meat, healthy fats, vegetables, fruit, nuts without reducing the amount of food eaten or counting calories. Did not increase my activity level.
5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Dropped 15 lbs. Reduced my waist size by about 3 inches. Chronic aches and pains were either eliminated or greatly reduced.
6. Communicate Your Results
Well, I'm communicating them.
So please, kindly answer two questions for me.
What caused the results I got above?
Out of the hundreds of benefits for the foods I'm cutting, can you please list 10?
I'll give it to you that you have explained a diet in the least gay way ever. If rice and beans disappeared, Brazil would starve tomorrow. In the end, you have refuted my two points, and I don't feel like doing more research on it right now, so you win this round, I'll give you that. I'll google it more and be back. I knew the study was bull when I read it, but I can debate both sides of anything.
If you ever went to France, though, cheese would be impossible for you to give up. In north America there's mozzarella and cheddar, which are basically both crap. Home-made blue cheese and Camembert can't be that bad for you. Cavemen probably drank milk.
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I'll give it to you that you have explained a diet in the least gay way ever. If rice and beans disappeared, Brazil would starve tomorrow. In the end, you have refuted my two points, and I don't feel like doing more research on it right now, so you win this round, I'll give you that. I'll google it more and be back. I knew the study was bull when I read it, but I can debate both sides of anything.
If you ever went to France, though, cheese would be impossible for you to give up. In north America there's mozzarella and cheddar, which are basically both crap. Home-made blue cheese and Camembert can't be that bad for you. Cavemen probably drank milk.
You need to look at it from the perspective of food for survival vs food for optimum health. One other point regarding grains. Do not confuse the wild whole grains that were eaten as recently as 100 years ago with the genetically modified garbage that passes for grains today. Research the omega 6 vs omega 3 fatty acid imbalance of the typical American diet because of all the processed food. Look at what feeding animal by-products and grain to cattle has done to the ratio in grain fed beef. Basically, what it comes down to is that we have decided to forego healthy food for abundant food.
By the way, thanks for the complement. I do try to make all my arguments as least gay as I can.
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As I see it, the word "diet" is misleading. It should not be something you go on to lose weight, then go back to your regular way of eating. Instead, think of it as a healthy way of life.
Also LKZ, when you get to be HiWarp's age. you'll also have to adjust the way you eat. If you don't like the word diet, then fine. But at the age of 51, you won't be able to get away with eating the same way you do now. So don't call HiWarp gay. It's a fact of life for men and women as they get older.
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As I see it, the word "diet" is misleading. It should not be something you go on to lose weight, then go back to your regular way of eating. Instead, think of it as a healthy way of life.
Also LKZ, when you get to be HiWarp's age. you'll also have to adjust the way you eat. If you don't like the word diet, then fine. But at the age of 51, you won't be able to get away with eating the same way you do now. So don't call HiWarp gay. It's a fact of life for men and women as they get older.
Yes the part where I said "Hiwarp is gay" was very offensive.
I eat extremely healthy. I don't think that if we ban rice and beans, the world will be better off. Every food usually provides some special benefit. We should eat a bit of everything.
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Yes the part where I said "Hiwarp is gay" was very offensive.
I eat extremely healthy. I don't think that if we ban rice and beans, the world will be better off. Every food usually provides some special benefit. We should eat a bit of everything.
First of all, I didn't consider that you ever called me "gay" in your post so don't sweat it.
Second, even if you did, I could care less. I'm a bit of a throwback (duh, at age 51) so if you insult me I don't go looking for a lawyer to sue you or a government official to ban hate speech. I just insult you back, like real men used to do before their diets were modified to consist of large amounts of estrogen laden food. If it escalates further I probably call you out and meet you somewhere to kick your butt or have my butt kicked while defending my honor. Afterwards we shake hands and go have a drink. Ahh, simpler times.
I'm not in favor of banning foods that are not good for you. Everyone has to make a personal choice as to what they want to eat. I know that refined sugar and overly processed foods are some of the worst things you can ingest but I certainly don't want to ban them. After all, if we did ban those two items, a majority of Americans would starve given that these are staples of the American diet.
Thank you Lisa. One of the (very few) advantages of getting older is that you tend to begin to care a bit more about your health. If you do your homework you will quickly find the amount of garbage that passes for healthy food today. The funny thing is that I would have probably agreed with LKZ a couple of years ago.
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I just practise Krav Maga. You train your body and your mind.
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First of all, I didn't consider that you ever called me "gay" in your post so don't sweat it.
Second, even if you did, I could care less. I'm a bit of a throwback (duh, at age 51) so if you insult me I don't go looking for a lawyer to sue you or a government official to ban hate speech. I just insult you back, like real men used to do before their diets were modified to consist of large amounts of estrogen laden food. If it escalates further I probably call you out and meet you somewhere to kick your butt or have my butt kicked while defending my honor. Afterwards we shake hands and go have a drink. Ahh, simpler times.
I'm not in favor of banning foods that are not good for you. Everyone has to make a personal choice as to what they want to eat. I know that refined sugar and overly processed foods are some of the worst things you can ingest but I certainly don't want to ban them. After all, if we did ban those two items, a majority of Americans would starve given that these are staples of the American diet.
Thank you Lisa. One of the (very few) advantages of getting older is that you tend to begin to care a bit more about your health. If you do your homework you will quickly find the amount of garbage that passes for healthy food today. The funny thing is that I would have probably agreed with LKZ a couple of years ago.
... ... if that's how normal people behave, then I was born in the wrong generation... comebacks and honor are some of the five deadly sins of my generation, and I get a lot of flak for keeping it up.
As for the estrogen, it's not just in foods, and an organic diet is extremely important, for that, but for more too. I am in favour of banning soy that has not gone through the proper fermentation process, which reduces estrogen, and GMOs.
I know people who only eat pizzas and processed food; no salad, no fruits, nothing that wasn't frozen. That is disgusting. I grow my own salads and have bowls with every meal and everything. I have actually used your research and am now substituting rice for veggies with carbs, which is great, but there has to be something good about rice and wheat, so its staying.
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Has anybody seen 'Here Comes the Boom' with Bas Rutten?
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Has anybody seen 'Here Comes the Boom' with Bas Rutten?
I have. :::D Isn't Bas a native of Holland?
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I have. :::D Isn't Bas a native of Holland?
He's an American citizen nowadays.
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He's an American citizen nowadays.
Bas was one of my favorite fighters. I loved watching him in K1, Pride, ect.