And yet none of this changes the fact G-d says in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination. AND NOTHING EVER WILL.
Homosexuality is no different than beastiality or necrophilia. It's deviant sexual attraction/behavior. What does it accomplish from a biological standpoint when 2 men or 2 women have "sex" together? Nothing. We're programmed to be fruitful and multiply. That's not to say everyone has to have children, but the basis is a male/female relationship because it furthers our species. You have children so the species continues on. Personally, I could care less if homosexuals want to enter into sexual relationships together in their own privacy. But don't promote it as if it's equal to normal male/female interactions. I think it's wrong, but I'm not going to go into their homes and tell them how to act.
There is no difference between homosexuality and beastiality from a biological standpoint. The end game is that person's genetic line dies off and isn't carried on into the next generation. In our society and culture the only difference is that beastiality is abhorent and homosexuality is not.
I'd say homosexuality is more likely to be dealt with proper psychological and religious councelling than anything. But good luck even proposing something like that without someone like YOURSELF screaming HOMOPHOBIA every 2 seconds.
Not gonna scream homophobia here, but just differentiating homosexuality from necrophilia and beastiality. Every medical and psychological association classifies necrophilia and beastiality as sexual fetishes, but does NOT classify homosexuality in this same light.And yet none of this changes the fact G-d says in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination. AND NOTHING EVER WILL.
Homosexuality is no different than beastiality or necrophilia. It's deviant sexual attraction/behavior. What does it accomplish from a biological standpoint when 2 men or 2 women have "sex" together? Nothing. We're programmed to be fruitful and multiply. That's not to say everyone has to have children, but the basis is a male/female relationship because it furthers our species. You have children so the species continues on. Personally, I could care less if homosexuals want to enter into sexual relationships together in their own privacy. But don't promote it as if it's equal to normal male/female interactions. I think it's wrong, but I'm not going to go into their homes and tell them how to act.
There is no difference between homosexuality and beastiality from a biological standpoint. The end game is that person's genetic line dies off and isn't carried on into the next generation. In our society and culture the only difference is that beastiality is abhorent and homosexuality is not.
I'd say homosexuality is more likely to be dealt with proper psychological and religious councelling than anything. But good luck even proposing something like that without someone like YOURSELF screaming HOMOPHOBIA every 2 seconds.
Not gonna scream homophobia here, but just differentiating homosexuality from necrophilia and beastiality. Every medical and psychological association classifies necrophilia and beastiality as sexual fetishes, but does NOT classify homosexuality in this same light.
They are not trying to cure it. To develop a drug for that purpose would invoke the outcry of the gay activists and their leftist allies. They might even bomb the research labs like the eco-terrorists and anti-stem-cell nuts have attacked researchers. These pharma companies would be called evil and nazis and "fascists" and every other term in the book for devoting any efforts toward this goal. Even having the goal itself would be attacked as "evil."
I know I shouldn't laugh but... :::D
The bullet was invented more than a hundred years ago.
Homosexuality WAS considered a mental disease according to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) up until 1973... Due to political correctness Homosexuality was entirely removed from the DSM in 1986...
muman613: "Homosexuality WAS considered a mental disease according to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) up until 1973... Due to political correctness Homosexuality was entirely removed from the DSM in 1986... "
Exactly right!
So, we are forced to ask the following questions:
1. If the AMA considered homosexuality a disease syndrome prior to 1973, what new evidence appeared prompting a complete reversal of its diagnostic rules and classifications?
2. Presuming that the AMA is now correct and was previously in grave error, what else in the AMA's official position must we now refuse to trust?
3. And - If in fact the AMA was correct prior to 1973, then does that not establish beyond the shadow of doubt that the AMA is an evil and corrupt organization which now promotes and accepts dangerous mental disorder as "a beautiful, alternative, and healthy lifestyle which belongs in a culture of diversity"?
4. Shouldn't we now fear everything the AMA promotes and advocates, and never again trust what they tell us?
5. Shouldn't we now consider that the AMA is lying to us about the "safety" and "effectiveness" of the many drugs they keep pushing and peddling on the American people and the world?
6. Could it be true what critics of American medicine have claimed for years - that whatever earns obscenely high profits for the medical industry is what is promoted and sold as the only "official" treatment course available to Americans?
6. Could it be true what critics of American medicine have claimed for years - that whatever earns obscenely high profits for the medical industry is what is promoted and sold as the only "official" treatment course available to Americans?
These threads, like others, bring out some of the worst in forum members. Comparing homosexuality with Beastiality is really offensive. Having an animal as your sexual object choice is not the same as having a HUMAN BEING as your object choice. I find Muman's comments here the least offensive, because at least he is clear in what he says. Coon, your comments are really over the top. We get that you want to get in good with the purists but your comments here are ...feh. I mean if people here think sex between two consenting adults is the same as the predilection for the rape of an animal that can't consent, I want to know.
These threads, like others, bring out some of the worst in forum members. Comparing homosexuality with Beastiality is really offensive. Having an animal as your sexual object choice is not the same as having a HUMAN BEING as your object choice. I find Muman's comments here the least offensive, because at least he is clear in what he says. Coon, your comments are really over the top. We get that you want to get in good with the purists but your comments here are ...feh. I mean if people here think sex between two consenting adults is the same as the predilection for the rape of an animal that can't consent, I want to know.How about comparing antisemitism to homophobia, don't you find this really offensive ?
Re: "a class of people "
This is a Marxist "catch phrase" used to create artificial divisions within a society.
People who have sex are not by definition a "class".
Any more than tenor saxophonists comprise a distinct "class" among the saxophonist "masses".
This way of thinking derives from the theories of Karl Marx which stated that the only thing necessary to create a revolution was to redefine the meaning of commonly used words so that their "new understanding" creates artificial divisions within society, which then can be propagandized by a small, elite, communist "Vanguard of the Proletariat" which can then champion the various causes and demands of each "class" to create an ongoing "civil war" at all levels of society.
The stated goal of Communist Revolution is "equality " (a goal which never can be achieved), in what Marx termed "The struggle for a classless society".
The purpose of Communist propaganda is to create in people the mindset that unless society meets every (illegitimate) demand of each and every "class" (none of which even exist), then we shall all perish due to our failure to achieve victory in "The Class Struggle" (All of history prior to a Global Communist Victory has now been redefined as 'The Class Struggle'!).
Marx knew quite correcty that within the short time span of about two generations, any society will inevitably succumb to the unbearable stresses and strains caused by the "class divisions" created Communist propaganda.
The result?
One after another, each nation soon collapses from within like a series of dominoes, without a single shot ever having to be fired - the well disciplined Communist Party Vanguard left strong, in place, and ready to govern and rule.
The goal of a classless society (redefined as a concept called 'democracy') is deemed complete when all of society but a large population of uneducated "workers" has been physically liquidated, leaving those remaining to be ruled over by a Communist Dictatorship representing the interests of the Working Class.
Taken a good look at the front page of any newspaper today?
Whether or not you understand what is written here will determine whether you will live in freedom or as a slave.
America at this point in its history is right on the verge of total defeat, and will soon cease to exist altogether.
Think about it: How many times a day do the American media, educational system, and government use the word "class", and discuss the goal of all Americans as being "equality" of all classes and races?
Yet, how many times each year are we Americans asked to fill out official government forms and documents [with a legal warning stating that to lie or put false statements on these forms risks our being prosecuted by the government for perjury!] asking us to declare to which race we belong:
- White (not a race but a color),
- Black (another color and no race),
- Asian (not a race but a continental place of residence),
- Hispanic (an ethnic sub-group of a race which apparently can't be defined or mentioned
in some way connected to the territorial concept of Hispanola ), or
- Other (other what ?).
JTF forum members pray for the election victories of Marxists, Socialists, Fascists, and Globalist Elitists. who long ago abandoned the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, but were smart enough to don executive attire, sport American flag lapel pins, and most importantly: "redefine the meaning of commonly used words in the English language".
The new idols at whose feet you worship now refer to themselves as "Conservative Republicans".
Now - Before any of you "great patriots" succumb to a high blood pressure attack, first stop and ask yourself these two simple questions:
1. Whose idea was George W. Bush's proposed plan for Senior Citizens being provided cheap
pharmaceutical drugs by the Federal Government?
George Washington ? - or Karl Marx ?
2. Which Constitution was George W. Bush vowing fealty to, when in debating his opponent
Al Gore he so boldly declared, "I AM AN INTERNATIONALIST!"
The Constitution of the U.S.A. ? - or The Constitution of the U.S.S.R ?
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I have full faith and confidence that none here but one or two of you are even capable of reading this post all the way to the end, let alone comprehending it, and therefore your arguments with Daniel and your insulting him will continue as before. Furthermore, you are all unknowingly accepting as your own starting position the truth inherent in Communist propaganda! Then you run to quote Torah, which almost no one here has actually ever read, to make your case against Daniel''s views armed only with "G-d says so right here in a book which I've never read, and that proves you're a sinner and an abomination!" Such a childish level of political naivete! I'm no longer certain if it is symptomatic of societal illness, or the end stages of the disease itself.:'(
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Post Script to the smoking ads:
I have come to the conclusion that any and all advertising such as this should be made legal again and promoted without any restrictions whatsoever.
My reasoning?
If America is to ever see a real first world economy again, we'd better repeat the behaviors which allowed us to have one in the first place!
Allow the tobacco farmers to earn a living and support their families and properties again!
Let the public smoke all the time anywhere it wants including in movie theatres, and college classrooms.
After all the prohibitions of our freedom to advertise and manufacture tobacco, resulting in two generations taught to refrain and disdain tobacco use, we now have the worst cancer epidemic in recorded history among Americans who work out in gymns, don't smoke, don't eat meat, drive tiny cars with catalytic converters, and are no longer subject to the smokestacks of the iron and steel, paper and textile mills, and industrial chemical manufacturers.
And these "smarter", "healthier" Americans contracting brain tumors, lung, breast, bladder, colon, and prostate cancers are arguably the most uneducated, unintelligent, violent prone, and dangerous American generation ever produced.
The very least we can do is rebuild a solid American economy - starting with agriculture.
Let's let stupid Americans be what they want to be -- stupid - and live happily and free once again!
The reason the pharmaceutical companies haven't "found" a cure for homosexuality is because they don't see it as a disorder, and the reason it is not seen as a disorder now the way it was before is because atheist principles now trump science in the academic arena. Thankfully G-d is much more advanced than our society and has already classified homosexuality along with bestiality as perversion, detestable, abomination, etc. The best cure for it is to be put to death because then there's a pretty good chance you won't do it again.
After all the prohibitions of our freedom to advertise and manufacture tobacco, resulting in two generations taught to refrain and disdain tobacco use, we now have the worst cancer epidemic in recorded history among Americans who work out in gymns, don't smoke, don't eat meat, drive tiny cars with catalytic converters, and are no longer subject to the smokestacks of the iron and steel, paper and textile mills, and industrial chemical manufacturers.
There is no point in arguing about this. Not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. In the Talmud, it is written that one homosexual was executed in a 70 year time span by the Sanhedrin.
Re: "In the Talmud, it is written that one homosexual was executed in a 70 year time span by the Sanhedrin. "
What?
A few self-declared "Holy Men" full of 1st Century Geocentric Fervor think they're gonna' take power in Eretz Yisrael and "put everything back just like it was in the good ole' days"?
Now, if Moshiach arrives and personally sets the world straight, that's something altogether different.
Those who think that they personally know exactly how all the prophecies are going to be fulfilled are, in my opinion, people who know nothing at all.
They get so full of they're own newly found fervor that they can actually envision themselves supervising the building of the Temple, and they are convinced that "somehow" all Jews are going to beg to be governed by strict Torah Law as practiced in 100 B.C.E. .
I can just see it now: The Rabbi takes his car into be serviced. Looking under the hood, the repairman begins explaining to how the design of his rotary engine was once considered impossible prior to modern science's acceptance of a Heliocentric Solar System. Suddenly, the Rabbi blows into a whistle, and the Torah Police burst into the garage, place the mechanic in chains, and carry him away to be tried for the heinous crime of "Torah Denial". The mechanic refuses to publicly repent, and is stoned to death.
Yes, the Land of Israel will soon be a Jewish paradise!
I don't remember the details. I do support the death penalty. Also there is much beginning neuroanatomical evidence that sexual orientation is biological, not endocrinologically driven, but driven by hardcore neural wiring. This doesn't take anything away from the Bible. It does say that there is more to this phenomena than people originally thought. One of the reasons why early Jews were so against homosexuality was because they were fighting Roman paganism which was replete with homosexuality. I believe I read a book once by a scholar who argued from the Maccabees that the then Jewish reaction to homosexuality was very much based on their antipathy towards Rome and the seduction of Jewish Youth to Hellenism.JTFE, the Torah was given over a thousand years before the Greeks and the Romans set foot on Israel. But you may not be far off because the Canaanites and other neighboring people had religions which actually far more perverse than the ancient Greeks and the Romans.
Without heterosexuality, there is no continuation of the species, therefore anything that encourages heterosexuality and reproduction, specifically of decent persons, must be encouraged. I do not believe we should encourage heterosexual relations outside of marriage under any circumstances of which I am presently aware.
JTFE, the Torah was given over a thousand years before the Greeks and the Romans set foot on Israel. But you may not be far off because the Canaanites and other neighboring people had religions which actually far more perverse than the ancient Greeks and the Romans.
Folks,He compared Orthodox Judaism to Nazism. Also you haven't been here long enough to see the baiting questions he would often ask Chaim on Ask JTF or when he bragged about supporting Obama.
Why should Daniel say anything more when he has explained his views the best he can and we are still berating him. I don't know Daniel, but this is too much. Forum members that have behaved much worse have received much less rebuke than Daniel has over the past week.
I hope Paulette and David both feel comfortable about coming back very soon. They are great members of this forum and very good JTFers.Of course I want them to come back and appreciate all they have done but I would also appreciate some kind of apology for the video mess. And Daniel needs to be banned for promoting faggotry on a religious forum.
I hope Paulette and David both feel comfortable about coming back very soon. They are great members of this forum and very good JTFers.Of course I want them to come back and appreciate all they have done but I would also appreciate some kind of apology for the video mess. And Daniel needs to be banned for promoting faggotry on a religious forum.
Cure??? It's not an illness. Let them cure low IQ, laziness, greed, and not liking the taste of black licorice.
Daniel, come here and answer us. Don't run away like a little kurva.
I didn't like Paulette's video one bit and I really don't like how she acted afterwards. But you are the one who caused all of this mess and provoked her into posting it. You are not one bit different from the pro-Arab faggot in Paulette's video. In fact, you are worse because there are more of you and you vote in an organized fashion. You, Daniel, would have voted for Adolf Shitler (yimach schmo) himself if he promised to keep up the mass murder of babies (even though almost half of the babies murdered by abortion are the blacks you supposedly love so much), legalize faggot "marriage", outlaw all guns, and give every negro in America free food, housing, and health care for life. You are the reason why the existence of the state of Israel is in jeopardy. You are the reason why nobody respects Jews and view them as the punching bag of the world. Traitor leftists like yourself (and no I don't mean Jews like that other moron Coon, I mean leftist Western whites in general) are the reason why we have a Nazi in the oval office. Are you very proud of yourself? Are you glad that you ignored all of our "urban legends" and put that chocolate-skinned fuhrer in the oval office?
You are scum of the earth and unless you repent, you will meet the same fate as that pro-Fakestinian queer from that video in the afterlife.
Cure??? It's not an illness. Let them cure low IQ, laziness, greed, and not liking the taste of black licorice.
It's a paraphilia. Of course it's an illness. I don't know if it can be cured, but I think that there should at least be some real scientific research on how to try to cure it rather than leaving it up to religious groups which don't have the best track record.
Cure??? It's not an illness. Let them cure low IQ, laziness, greed, and not liking the taste of black licorice.
It's a paraphilia. Of course it's an illness. I don't know if it can be cured, but I think that there should at least be some real scientific research on how to try to cure it rather than leaving it up to religious groups which don't have the best track record.
Cure??? It's not an illness. Let them cure low IQ, laziness, greed, and not liking the taste of black licorice.
It's a paraphilia. Of course it's an illness. I don't know if it can be cured, but I think that there should at least be some real scientific research on how to try to cure it rather than leaving it up to religious groups which don't have the best track record.
Hi RubyStars,
Homosexuality is not a paraphilia. Paraphilias include disorders such as frotteurism and tranvestic fetishism.
The scientific and medical community have not considered homosexuality an illness in almost 40 years.
Biblical prohibitions against it are clear.
With respect to science the thinking has been for about 20 years that it is inherently biologic, as is illustrated by monozygotic twins being at a 50 percent concordance rate when raised apart and much higher if raised together. So there seems to be a very heavy genetic factor in the drive for the behavior.
This doesn't take away from anything biblical, it presents another side to a complex behavioral phenomena. I would argue that social factors must somehow play an influence because otherwise it would be hard to account for the 10 percent of monozygotic twins who are raised together and yet have different sexual orientations.
I can only conclude that Daniel flies the rainbow flag himself.
You have excellent gaydar. Wonder why that is?Let me guess, you think Jews are responsible for homosexuality.
What's a gaydar?
I think at the rate the world is going, they will develop a pill for the cure of that horrid thing society no longer accepts, heterosexuality.
And yet none of this changes the fact G-d says in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination. AND NOTHING EVER WILL.
QuoteAnd yet none of this changes the fact G-d says in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination. AND NOTHING EVER WILL.
But G-d didn't write the Bible. G-d also didn't personally come to you and tell you to write "G-d" by typing in "G-D".
Or did he?
Question:http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/739461/Rabbi_Josh_Flug/The_Prohibition_against_Erasing_or_Destroying_Torah_Materials
As you know, I'm not a "believer." I am a logical person -- I only believe in things that can be logically proven. But I was just interested: Why do you always write "G-d"?
Answer:
We do not write G-d's name in a place where it may be discarded or erased. Treating G-d's name with reverence is a way to give respect to G-d. So even though on a computer the name is not really being erased (and perhaps is not really there in the first place), and "G-d" is only an English term used to translate G-d's holy name, it is in keeping with this respect that I write "G-d" in my emails and on-line articles.
This causes problems. No matter how many times I write "G-d", the spell-check on the computer has no idea what I mean. "G-d" is not in its dictionary, and it won't accept it as an addition to the dictionary. So the computer comes up with all types of suggested corrections: Go, Do, G'day. And often half the name ends up on a new line: G-
d.
I guess I shouldn't expect any better. No matter how smart a computer is, certain things are beyond it. How would you program a computer to have respect for G-d's name? It is unreasonable to ask a computer to relate to G-d, because G-d is not a logical concept -- He created intellect, and He cannot be captured by His own creation. A computer is limited to logic, so it can't handle spiritual concepts. Just as a metal-detector will beep when a gun is passed through it, but it cannot pick up a person's thoughts or intentions, intellect can grasp logic and rationale, but it cannot detect the Divine.
But a human is not a computer. Intellect is not where we begin and end. We have a soul that is beyond intellect, and our soul detects G-d because our soul sees G-d.
Jewish faith is about getting in touch with the soul that knows G-d already, without needing any proof. This is not negating intellect -- it is transcending it.
How do you get in touch with your soul? Ask G-d. He'll tell you.
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The Nature of the Prohibition
In reality, there are two prohibitions that are relevant to this discussion. First, there is a prohibition against erasing the name of G-d. The Gemara, Makot 22a, derives this prohibition from the juxtaposition of the verse (Devarim 12:3) mandating the destruction of idolatry with the verse (Devarim 12:4) that one should not do the same to G-d (i.e. one should not destroy G-d's name). Second, there is a prohibition against destroying Torah literature, its commentaries and its translations. Rambam, Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah 6:8, implies that the prohibition against destroying Torah materials is only rabbinic in nature.
R. Moshe Soloveitchik (1879-1941, cited in Reshimot Shiurim, Nedarim 2a) notes that these two prohibitions are fundamentally different. The prohibition against erasing G-d's name applies whether one's intent is for a productive purpose or a destructive purpose. The prohibition against destroying Torah materials only applies if one destroys the materials for a destructive purpose.
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QuoteAnd yet none of this changes the fact G-d says in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination. AND NOTHING EVER WILL.
But G-d didn't write the Bible. G-d also didn't personally come to you and tell you to write "G-d" by typing in "G-D".
Or did he?
QuoteAnd yet none of this changes the fact G-d says in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination. AND NOTHING EVER WILL.
But G-d didn't write the Bible. G-d also didn't personally come to you and tell you to write "G-d" by typing in "G-D".
Or did he?
Actually, we believe that G-d gave Moshe the Torah, that Moshe wrote word-for-word what G-d said.
The - symbol inside the word "G-d" is an autofilter so there is no way to avoid that, it seems. I don't think Muman ever claimed that G-d told him anything.