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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IsraelForever on November 09, 2010, 09:38:00 PM
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From the New York Times, dated 11/09/10:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/education/09gap.html?src=me&ref=general
An achievement gap separating black from white students has long been documented — a social divide extremely vexing to policy makers and the target of one blast of school reform after another.
But a new report focusing on black males suggests that the picture is even bleaker than generally known.
Only 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, and only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.
Poverty alone does not seem to explain the differences: poor white boys do just as well as African-American boys who do not live in poverty, measured by whether they qualify for subsidized school lunches.
The data was distilled from highly respected national math and reading tests, known as the National Assessment for Educational Progress, which are given to students in fourth and eighth grades, most recently in 2009. The report, “A Call for Change,” is to be released Tuesday by the Council of the Great City Schools, an advocacy group for urban public schools.
Although the outlines of the problem and many specifics have been previously reported, the group hopes that including so much of what it calls “jaw-dropping data” in one place will spark a new sense of national urgency.
“What this clearly shows is that black males who are not eligible for free and reduced-price lunch are doing no better than white males who are poor,” said Michael Casserly, executive director of the council.
The report shows that black boys on average fall behind from their earliest years. Black mothers have a higher infant mortality rate and black children are twice as likely as whites to live in a home where no parent has a job. In high school, African-American boys drop out at nearly twice the rate of white boys, and their SAT scores are on average 104 points lower. In college, black men represented just 5 percent of students in 2008.
The analysis of results on the national tests found that math scores in 2009 for black boys were not much different than those for black girls in Grades 4 and 8, but black boys lagged behind Hispanics of both sexes, and they fell behind white boys by at least 30 points, a gap sometimes interpreted as three academic grades.
The search for explanations has recently looked at causes besides poverty, and this report may further spur those efforts.
“There’s accumulating evidence that there are racial differences in what kids experience before the first day of kindergarten,” said Ronald Ferguson, director of the Achievement Gap Initiative at Harvard. “They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have.”
Those include “conversations about early childhood parenting practices,” Dr. Ferguson said. “The activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy.”
The report urges convening a White House conference, encouraging Congress to appropriate more money for schools and establishing networks of black mentors.
What it does not discuss are policy responses identified with a robust school reform movement that emphasizes closing failing schools, offering charter schools as alternatives and raising the quality of teachers.
The report did not go down this road because “there’s not a lot of research to indicate that many of those strategies produce better results,” Mr. Casserly said.
Other have a different response. The key to narrowing the achievement gap, said Dr. Ferguson, is “really good teaching.”
One large urban school district that has made progress is Baltimore’s, where the dropout rate for African-American boys declined to 4.9 percent during the last academic year, down from 11.9 percent three years earlier. Graduation rates for black boys were also up: 57 percent in 2009-10, compared with 51 percent three years earlier.
Andres A. Alonso, the chief executive of the Baltimore City Public Schools, said the improvement had little to do with changes at the margins, like lengthening the school day or adding mentors. Rather, Mr. Alonso cited aggressively closing failing schools, knocking on the doors of dropouts’ homes to lure them back and creating real-time alerts — “almost like an electrical charge” — when a student misses several days of school.
“Hispanic kids and African-American kids this year had a lower dropout rate than white kids,” Mr. Alonso said.
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Must be due to white racism. Let's throw a trillion dollars at it and hope it goes away.
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big surprise.
I heard on the news last night NY is #1 in funding for the public school system and 40th in performance among the 50 states. Could it be the result of a high percentage of underperforming minorities that are in NY public schools?
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I would not be surprised to read that Farrakhan says that it's a Jewish conspiracy and cabal to keep Black people down. After all, there are many Jewish teachers in the schools. Oh yeah.
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From the New York Times, dated 11/09/10:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/education/09gap.html?src=me&ref=general
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Only 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, and only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.
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FAIL
On behalf of both races
In Israel kids can read by the end of 1st grade and can do basic math by the end of 3rd. I thought our educational system out side the galut was BS, thank god i was in Israel in elementary school.
Must be due past to white racism. Let's throw a trillion dollars at it allocate resources properly and hope it goes away.
FIXED
that is the course of action we should take
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big surprise.
I heard on the news last night NY is #1 in funding for the public school system and 40th in performance among the 50 states. Could it be the result of a high percentage of underperforming minorities that are in NY public schools?
I don't think so. It is because of the employees in the school system. NY gives them so much mice and creates so much jobs there. So if they would do their jobs properly, they would endanger it. So they do useless programms and trainings in order to get a poor result on purpose and then they say look we are needed. This happens in all socialist economy units, that are islands in the capitalist sea.
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We live in a meritocracy. Everyone gets what their merits provide. Its racist to "freak out" if one race does better or worse than another [the smallest minority is the individual it only matters what each individual does; what one black does is not relevant to another black, and what one white does is not relevant to another white, and what one black does is not relevant to what one white does, and so on...]. There is no reason to think every micro-culture in the US will treat academic experiences the same; there is no reason to think every person in the US will achieve the same thing as everyone else... where is the outrage for "too many" blacks in the NFL [clearly we need to churn up taxpayer funds to "create" more white NFL players, no?]?
Rubbish.
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To play Devil's Advocate: It isn't good for any society to have millions of ignorant people who can't hold down a job. Not only that, but they turn to drugs, crime, etc. They have lots of children and pass that lifestyle on to them. It's best for society to try and educate as many people as possible -- even from a selfish point of view. Who wants to be mugged or robbed or worse? So I think this illiteracy rate amongst Blacks is something to be taken seriously. No?
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Blacks believe such skills as knowing how to read, write, and add are "white" disciplines and that only Uncle Tom negroes would care about those things.
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To play Devil's Advocate: It isn't good for any society to have millions of ignorant people who can't hold down a job. Not only that, but they turn to drugs, crime, etc. They have lots of children and pass that lifestyle on to them. It's best for society to try and educate as many people as possible -- even from a selfish point of view. Who wants to be mugged or robbed or worse? So I think this illiteracy rate amongst Blacks is something to be taken seriously. No?
exactly
keeping people in jail is a lot more expensive than educating them. but instead of wasting a trillion dollars, we should instead allocate resources better
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F*** them. They should be shipped to Africa anyway. Let them learn to read and write from baboon teachers, which would be a vast improvement over their tribal elders.
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F*** them. They should be shipped to Africa anyway. Let them learn to read and write from baboon teachers, which would be a vast improvement over their tribal elders.
What is your plan ? Expelling all black Americans from the US ? On what ground ? And how are you going to do that ?
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F*** them. They should be shipped to Africa anyway. Let them learn to read and write from baboon teachers, which would be a vast improvement over their tribal elders.
What is your plan ? Expelling all black Americans from the US ? On what ground ? And how are you going to do that ?
That might be going a bit far I think.
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F*** them. They should be shipped to Africa anyway. Let them learn to read and write from baboon teachers, which would be a vast improvement over their tribal elders.
What is your plan ? Expelling all black Americans from the US ? On what ground ? And how are you going to do that ?
That might be going a bit far I think.
I thought it was obvious that this is what I meant.
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F*** them. They should be shipped to Africa anyway. Let them learn to read and write from baboon teachers, which would be a vast improvement over their tribal elders.
What is your plan ? Expelling all black Americans from the US ? On what ground ? And how are you going to do that ?
That might be going a bit far I think.
I know I know
I think it just sounds like crap you find on Størm Frønt.
I thought it was obvious that this is what I meant.
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To play Devil's Advocate: It isn't good for any society to have millions of ignorant people who can't hold down a job. Not only that, but they turn to drugs, crime, etc. They have lots of children and pass that lifestyle on to them. It's best for society to try and educate as many people as possible -- even from a selfish point of view. Who wants to be mugged or robbed or worse? So I think this illiteracy rate amongst Blacks is something to be taken seriously. No?
exactly
keeping people in jail is a lot more expensive than educating them. but instead of wasting a trillion dollars, we should instead allocate resources better
Or we could be far more liberal with executing murderers, gangbanging scum, drug pushers, rapists, molesters and other violent criminals. What makes more sense, subsidizing the education of some negro criminal or someone who obeys the law and lives a good life? Having to pay for some black criminal piece of [censored] to get an education is pure socialist nonsense and evil. I'd rather pay for someone else's kid to get an education than some monkey murderer.
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Reminds me of that MadTV skit, "Lowered Expectations"
Caution Language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhTJXFBPyg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju9GavVxZbA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6vrLScy6uE&NR=1