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Title: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 19, 2010, 08:51:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJiES0rOt4

It starts at 4:15 of the video.

Isn't it yet another sign that this man is the man to vote for?
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Secularbeliever on December 19, 2010, 09:10:46 PM
For Jews and Genitles who care about Israel it is.  For the J Street types and Jew hating liberals probably not.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: serbian army on December 19, 2010, 09:20:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJiES0rOt4

It starts at 4:15 of the video.

Isn't it yet another sign that this man is the man to vote for?
I sent him an email today saying how I will vote for him. It would be my first time to vote. In past I could not make my self vote for lesser evil. It must be from the heart.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Meerkat on December 19, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
i just wish he wasn't against wikileaks, leaking diplomatic cables endangers no one's life, its not like they leaked a military seceret.

oh well, there is no perfect candidate
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Secularbeliever on December 19, 2010, 10:03:26 PM
i just wish he wasn't against wikileaks, leaking diplomatic cables endangers no one's life, its not like they leaked a military seceret.

oh well, there is no perfect candidate
you will never find yourself 100% in agreement with anyone.  You have to decide what is most important.  On some issues there are others I like more than Huckabee but I think Israel is the primary issue and there is nobody better than him on Israel.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: serbian army on December 19, 2010, 10:04:04 PM
i just wish he wasn't against wikileaks, leaking diplomatic cables endangers no one's life, its not like they leaked a military seceret.

oh well, there is no perfect candidate
He knows much about economy as well.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 19, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
This is great!   Even if God forbid Huckabee is not elected, it is always a positive sign when big-name politicians call for Pollard to finally be released.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 19, 2010, 10:24:46 PM
i just wish he wasn't against wikileaks, leaking diplomatic cables endangers no one's life, its not like they leaked a military seceret.

oh well, there is no perfect candidate

In the video, he actually says that we didn't learn from the "leaks" anything we didn't know before.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 19, 2010, 11:16:08 PM
Everything he said in the speach was and is right. You need to watch part 1 and 2 both are about 12 minutes each. President Huckabbee would be the best choice we can make to oust Obama and get Israel and American back on track.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 19, 2010, 11:47:06 PM
Everything he said in the speach was and is right. You need to watch part 1 and 2 both are about 12 minutes each. President Huckabbee would be the best choice we can make to oust Obama and get Israel and American back on track.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok3DHR5IEmE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok3DHR5IEmE)
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJaHEUKGJ6U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJaHEUKGJ6U)
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Zionist Revolutionary on December 20, 2010, 02:07:30 AM
Time and again he shows himself to be the best candidate for the job.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: christians4jews on December 20, 2010, 05:12:49 PM
love huckabee, i agree its a shame about the leaks, but as someone else said, you never agree with someone 100 percent, even our most loved ones, we can disagree with.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 20, 2010, 08:42:29 PM
Huckabee is the best prepared to be president
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Debbie Shafer on December 21, 2010, 08:25:13 AM
I am more and more impressed with the Huckster, he understands our connections to Israel and why we are fused together because of the gospel.   He also understands the importance of National Security and why we need to quit being politically correct when dealing with Islam!
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Maimonides on December 26, 2010, 03:02:42 PM
Where did Huckabee call for Jonathan Pollard's release?

This title is misleading. All Huckabee did was claim that Wikileaks is a threat to national security, and that people who condemned Pollard are hypocrites for not condemning wikileaks with the same ferocity.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 26, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
Maimonides,

Do you really think that Huckabee came to this Orthodox Jewish community to say that he is unhappy about WikiLeaks?

Don't you think that he uses WikiLeaks as reason to bring the issue of Pollard to light?

He mentions that JP has spent 25 years of his life in prison. Does that have any connection with WikiLeaks? I don't think so.

Huckabee very carefully, in my opinion, wants to make Pollard's release a viable subject of discussion.
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Maimonides on December 27, 2010, 12:22:58 PM
Maimonides,

Do you really think that Huckabee came to this Orthodox Jewish community to say that he is unhappy about WikiLeaks?

Don't you think that he uses WikiLeaks as reason to bring the issue of Pollard to light?

He mentions that JP has spent 25 years of his life in prison. Does that have any connection with WikiLeaks? I don't think so.

Huckabee very carefully, in my opinion, wants to make Pollard's release a viable subject of discussion.

I understand that Huckabee has the best position on Israel, but lets not forget he is still a POLITICIAN!

Huckabee brought up the Pollard issue here, because he knew it would score him political points with righteous Jews and Gentiles. Huckabee is careful to not say anything definitively, but instead is expecting people like you to make the implicit connection that he cares about Pollard and might even grant him clemency. However, by not saying anything definitively, Huckabee is leaving himself more than enough room to DO NOTHING about Pollard

Politicians do not speak clearly. Instead they speak in undertones and hope people like you pick up any message you want to pick up, without having to make any clear promise that you can hold them accountable for. If this is what we can expect from Huckabee then you should go back to 1999 when then Gov. George W. Bush visited Israel, and stated that the pre-1967 where smaller than his DRIVEWAY! Bush did this so righteous Jews and Gentiles would pick up the implicit message that he is against any retreats, without Bush having to outright make any promises! Remember how that turned out!
Title: Re: Mike Huckabee calls for Jonathan Pollard's release!
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 27, 2010, 10:27:59 PM
Maimonides,

Do you really think that Huckabee came to this Orthodox Jewish community to say that he is unhappy about WikiLeaks?

Don't you think that he uses WikiLeaks as reason to bring the issue of Pollard to light?

He mentions that JP has spent 25 years of his life in prison. Does that have any connection with WikiLeaks? I don't think so.

Huckabee very carefully, in my opinion, wants to make Pollard's release a viable subject of discussion.

I understand that Huckabee has the best position on Israel, but lets not forget he is still a POLITICIAN!

Huckabee brought up the Pollard issue here, because he knew it would score him political points with righteous Jews and Gentiles. Huckabee is careful to not say anything definitively, but instead is expecting people like you to make the implicit connection that he cares about Pollard and might even grant him clemency. However, by not saying anything definitively, Huckabee is leaving himself more than enough room to DO NOTHING about Pollard

Politicians do not speak clearly. Instead they speak in undertones and hope people like you pick up any message you want to pick up, without having to make any clear promise that you can hold them accountable for. If this is what we can expect from Huckabee then you should go back to 1999 when then Gov. George W. Bush visited Israel, and stated that the pre-1967 where smaller than his DRIVEWAY! Bush did this so righteous Jews and Gentiles would pick up the implicit message that he is against any retreats, without Bush having to outright make any promises! Remember how that turned out!

Maimonides,

Technically you are correct, Huckabee did not pronounce specifically that he would pardon Jonathan Pollard. And he can change his mind later. But he would be able to change his mind later, even if he did say it, as in “read my lips” promise.

Politicians are masters at that. For example, Barack Osama did clearly say that Jerusalem will remain united, and flip flopped no later than 30 minutes after that.

But, and there is a big but. If we don’t trust Huckabee in vain that he stands by his statements that there is no such people as Palestinians, and Palestine state could be created in any Arab country, but not in the Jewish State, don’t you think that such positions are much stronger than possible Jonathan Pollard’s release and, if the American People embraces the truth about the Palestinian myth, then they would be ready to accept the idea of releasing J. Pollard?

Also, Huckabee doesn’t have to necessarily pardon him. There could be an exchange of spies, such as the one that took place with Russia, which was completely pre-arranged and agreed upon, in my opinion.