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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4019248,00.html
From high heels to military drills
Anna King, 20, puts off promising modeling career abroad to don army uniform, become Hummer operator. Jerusalem-born model is one of only 100 Christians serving in IDF
Yaron Sasson
Published: 01.26.11, 19:15 / Israel News
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Khaki is the new black: Some prefer easy money and the glitzy cat walk, while others opt for grease, sand and military uniform. At this very moment, Anna King – a Christian model from Jerusalem – could have been on the line between New York and Beijing, skipping from photo shoots to runway shows. But King chose to become a Hummer operator at the national center for ground forces training (MALI).
King was born 20 year ago in Jerusalem. Her grandfather is a member of the ascetic Amish sect, and the deep love for Israel was bestowed on her by her parents, who met during a Christian festival that was held in Israel.
Her father established the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem – an organization that supports Israel and encouraged wider Christian understanding of Biblical Zionism.
During her high school studies, King got an offer that changed her life. "I went to get a haircut with my mother," she recalls. "The barber and his wife, who designs wedding dresses, asked me if I modeled. They said it was good money and showed me some catalogs."
King began her modeling career shooting evening and wedding gowns for a local catalog; shortly thereafter, she signed a contract with a modeling agency.
"When I got my enlistment order I was contemplating whether to stay in Israel," King admits.
"They wanted me to model for another big catalog and offered to fly me to Beijing and the United States and sign me on a big modeling contract," she adds.
'Gun shells in pocket'
But despite the great temptation, King decided to complete her military service. "I know that modeling offers good money, but it was important for me to enlist. My parents didn’t think I would go through with it, but they supported me.
"During basic training I would come home with stacks of gun shells in my pocket. My mom was mortified, but she slowly got used to it," King notes.
Currently, King is one of some 100 Christians serving in the IDF. After completing her basic training at the southern Zeelim military base, King was given the position of a Hummer operator.
Although she is a self-proclaimed "spoiled only child," King's army service is far from pampering. "Drills can last from midnight until the first hours of the morning, and sometimes we can sleep a whole week in a pup tent," she said.
In six months, after she completes 20 months of military service, King will receive her Israeli citizenship. Shortly thereafter, she will be released from the IDF, and would be able to switch back from camouflage to makeup
Compare her to these scoundrels
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,52651.0.html
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What a farse. She clearly doesn't belong not only in the IDF, but in Israel.
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What a farse. She clearly doesn't belong not only in the IDF, but in Israel.
She was born in Israel and isn't a qurananimal Look at this soldier
http://masada2000.org/jnf.html
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She was born in Israel and isn't a qurananimal Look at this soldier
http://masada2000.org/jnf.html
I have nothing against her except assuming she isn't a missionary. But I don't think Christians should immigrate to Israel and mix with Jew. If they want to help the Jews the best thing they can do is be a model citizens in their homeland, fight quranimal invadors and their liberal allies.
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Great girl! A lot of Jewish girls should look at this girl for the inspiration.
This is what I would call a MODEL citizen!
:israel:
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Gaer toshav!
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Great girl! A lot of Jewish girls should look at this girl for the inspiration.
This is what I would call a MODEL citizen!
:israel:
What exactly is the inspiration that Jews should take from this girl?
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Pretty much the only purpose of the IDF these days is to kick Jews out of their homes, but this girl probably doesn't know that.
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What exactly is the inspiration that Jews should take from this girl?
To be like her ,not that lying tramp Bar Refaeli
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To be like her ,not that lying tramp Bar Refaeli
To be Christian? Forbidden by Judaism.
To serve in the army? In Judaism, women are not supposed to be in combat.
To join the Jewish Expulsion forces and throw out settlers? Forbidden by Judaism.
To showcase her goods as a 'model' after she gets done with army service? Forbidden by Judaism (laws of modesty).
Shall we go on?
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To be Christian? Forbidden by Judaism.
To serve in the army? In Judaism, women are not supposed to be in combat.
To join the Jewish Expulsion forces and throw out settlers? Forbidden by Judaism.
To showcase her goods as a 'model' after she gets done with army service? Forbidden by Judaism (laws of modesty).
Shall we go on?
Bar Refaeli posed only in a thong i heard in the coming months she's going to pose completely naked front and back.She avoided IDF service by claiming she was religious,i can assure you this girl is not running after Jewish men she's a Religious Christian
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Bar Refaeli posed only in a thong i heard in the coming months she's going to pose completely naked front and back.She avoided IDF service by claiming she was religious,i can assure you this girl is not running after Jewish men she's a Religious Christian
Why are you so sure about it ? And if she is a religious Christian what is she doing in the Jewish army anyway.
* I think Bar Refaeli got herself a fake marriage to be exempted from service.
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Why are you so sure about it ? And if she is a religious Christian what is she doing in the Jewish army anyway.
* I think Bar Refaeli got herself a fake marriage to be exempted from service.
Being that she was born in Israel is there even a way for her to opt out without violating the law? It seems like she is following the rules while in the IDF what is the difference what she does after she leaves the service....
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Being that she was born in Israel is there even a way for her to opt out without violating the law? It seems like she is following the rules while in the IDF what is the difference what she does after she leaves the service....
She is not a citizen. The report says she volunteered to serve in the army and will have earned Israeli citizenship after she has completed the service.
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She is not a citizen. The report says she volunteered to serve in the army and will have earned Israeli citizenship after she has completed the service.
She was born in Israel .Druse,Circassianand Russian none Jews serve in IDF so why not an American
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Bar Refaeli exceeded my expectations of what an immoral person she is.And you're right she faked a marriage.
Men who have sex with her :o :o
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=9085937115&topic=15342&start=0&hash=84f14232ba70a67cbeb6ed720491200e
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Bar Refaeli posed only in a thong i heard in the coming months she's going to pose completely naked front and back.She avoided IDF service by claiming she was religious,i can assure you this girl is not running after Jewish men she's a Religious Christian
Bar rafaeli is NOT a role model.
But I don't understand why you think that her mere existence has anything to do with some christian model girl or why it makes some other girl a so-called example for Jewish women. NEITHER of them are!
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She was born in Israel .Druse,Circassianand Russian none Jews serve in IDF so why not an American
Btw, I did NOT sat that 'going after jewish men' is one of the things that makes her an example that Jewish women should not follow because I have no idea if she is or she isn't. I gave plenty of real reasons why she is not an example for Jewish women. We have our own righteous and heroic people to look up to, we do not need to salivate over every nonJewish woman that expresses solidarity with israel as if all Jewush women are self hating or some fashion model is a paragon of virtue. That is really a disgrace to think that way!
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You don't at all think that caring about the nation of Israel, in and of itself, is worth emulating?
No, I don't advocate serving in the IDF, but you and I both know that most young Israelis are so brainwashed that they don't even know if Israel is in the right. This Christian woman gets that.
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She was born in Israel .Druse,Circassianand Russian none Jews serve in IDF so why not an American
Now seriously, the IDF is the Israeli army and not the foreign legion. Americans can serve in the American army.
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Btw, I did NOT sat that 'going after jewish men' is one of the things that makes her an example that Jewish women should not follow because I have no idea if she is or she isn't. I gave plenty of real reasons why she is not an example for Jewish women. We have our own righteous and heroic people to look up to, we do not need to salivate over every nonJewish woman that expresses solidarity with israel as if all Jewush women are self hating or some fashion model is a paragon of virtue. That is really a disgrace to think that way!
I agree proper Jewish women don't need an example But with all the draft dodging charedim and the TelAviv draft dodgers she is an example.Just like the Dutch none Jewish idf soldier who was killed in the intifada.I'm not saying she's an example just that she's a good girl.
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Now seriously, the IDF is the Israeli army and not the foreign legion. Americans can serve in the American army.
She was born and lives in Israel
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You don't at all think that caring about the nation of Israel, in and of itself, is worth emulating?
No, I don't advocate serving in the IDF, but you and I both know that most young Israelis are so brainwashed that they don't even know if Israel is in the right. This Christian woman gets that.
I don't know enough about the Christian girl to say if there is anything admirable about her decision. So far I see she is admired by a self hating media whose objective is to destroy the Jewish identity of Israel.
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You don't at all think that caring about the nation of Israel, in and of itself, is worth emulating?
No, I don't advocate serving in the IDF, but you and I both know that most young Israelis are so brainwashed that they don't even know if Israel is in the right. This Christian woman gets that.
I agree with this, but kwrbt has good points.
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"When I got my enlistment order I was contemplating whether to stay in Israel," King admits.
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"When I got my enlistment order I was contemplating whether to stay in Israel," King admits.
It seems Israel needs to revise some if it's laws... How can someone be compelled to serve by an enlistment order and yet not be a citizen of Israel... I can see a person with non citizen status volunteering but not being compelled...Clearly she must have some legal status being born there.... From time to time I hear some people here say they would not advocate people enlisting in the IDF....Without the IDF how would Israel maintain its security?
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It seems Israel needs to revise some if it's laws... How can someone be compelled to serve by an enlistment order and yet not be a citizen of Israel... I can see a person with non citizen status volunteering but not being compelled...Clearly she must have some legal status being born there.... From time to time I hear some people here say they would not advocate people enlisting in the IDF....Without the IDF how would Israel maintain its security?
Many soldiers in the IDF might be compelled to participate in expulsions of Jews and destruction of settlements. Many of these people are not strong enough to refuse such orders.
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Many soldiers in the IDF might be compelled to participate in expulsions of Jews and destruction of settlements. Many of these people are not strong enough to refuse such orders.
It's a very sad fact that soldiers in the IDF are called on to do this sort of expulsion work... This is something in the long run that will do extensive damage to the IDF itself... What is the solution here? People serving in the military refusing orders are subject to harsh penalties in most military establishments... The government should not put its military people in this sort of cross purpose situation... Once something like an expulsion is decided the government has to either use it's security force or allow some outside people in which could even be a far worse situation... It's not the IDF thats the problem its policy from the top that stinks to kingdom come... Aside from some grumbling I would be very interested to know just how much resistance the IDF commanders got from the enlisted people during the last expulsions... People serving in the military are really caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to situations like that... Time in a military brig and what comes after it are no joke.
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Her heart is in the right place. I don't think any person should serve in the IDF but she probably thinks it's the honorable thing to do.
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As repugnant IDF policy toward heroic Jewish pioneers is, a lot of you are living in the clouds. Without IDF there would be not one breathing Jew in the land of Israel. The patriotism, love for the land and for Jewish people must supersede the stinking government. This girl is patriotic and Zionist. Something that could not be said about a majority of ultra-orthodox / hassidic Jewish "men". If you believe in G-d, this should only strengthen the love for the land, not negate it.
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Are you suggesting that the IDF can't function if only men enlist? Because that premise is a joke.
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To be Christian? Forbidden by Judaism.
To serve in the army? In Judaism, women are not supposed to be in combat.
To join the Jewish Expulsion forces and throw out settlers? Forbidden by Judaism.
To showcase her goods as a 'model' after she gets done with army service? Forbidden by Judaism (laws of modesty).
Ughhh. Mr. Buzzkillington the 1940s are calling for you. Laws of "modesty" and the concept of "modesty" is a joke and will be left behind when the new generation takes over. Throwing out settlers isn't forbidden by Judaism. Stop looking to a book and look to the present. Who cares if it is forbidden? In order for Israel to be as modern as it is now, it needs to be secular, as it will be suicide to fall in the path of religious government like many Islamic countries have done? Women aren't supposed to be in combat? Why? Give me a good reason from the Bible.
After you give me your reason I will disregard it because it's still just a book.
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As repugnant IDF policy toward heroic Jewish pioneers is, a lot of you are living in the clouds. Without IDF there would be not one breathing Jew in the land of Israel. The patriotism, love for the land and for Jewish people must supersede the stinking government.
Well said !
I can't see how Israel could defend herself against another large-scale coordinated Arab military offensive tomorrow if young Israelis refuse to serve and to be trained in the IDF. When Kahanists take power in Israel, the IDF will undergo major changes and become a true Jewish army. Until then, the best call is to serve in the army but to refuse to obey any antisemitic order such as an expulsion order. I am not saying it is easy, but it is the only right thing to do. Desertion is irresponsible.
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I don't think any person should serve in the IDF
Then you are wishing death on Israel because Israel without an army, as imperfectly Jewish as it may be, will immediately be destroyed by the Arabs.
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Ughhh. Mr. Buzzkillington the 1940s are calling for you. Laws of "modesty" and the concept of "modesty" is a joke and will be left behind when the new generation takes over. Throwing out settlers isn't forbidden by Judaism. Stop looking to a book and look to the present. Who cares if it is forbidden? In order for Israel to be as modern as it is now, it needs to be secular, as it will be suicide to fall in the path of religious government like many Islamic countries have done? Women aren't supposed to be in combat? Why? Give me a good reason from the Bible.
After you give me your reason I will disregard it because it's still just a book.
Even from a purely non-religious point of view, expelling settlers is disgusting and disastrous.
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Ughhh. Mr. Buzzkillington the 1940s are calling for you. Laws of "modesty" and the concept of "modesty" is a joke and will be left behind when the new generation takes over. Throwing out settlers isn't forbidden by Judaism. Stop looking to a book and look to the present. Who cares if it is forbidden? In order for Israel to be as modern as it is now, it needs to be secular, as it will be suicide to fall in the path of religious government like many Islamic countries have done? Women aren't supposed to be in combat? Why? Give me a good reason from the Bible.
After you give me your reason I will disregard it because it's still just a book.
Is this supposed to be a joke?
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Then you are wishing death on Israel because Israel without an army, as imperfectly Jewish as it may be, will immediately be destroyed by the Arabs.
Israel survives because of G-d, not because of man.
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Israel survives because of G-d, not because of man.
The Torah tells us not to rely on miracles.
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There is a distinction between saying that people shouldn't serve in the army to saying that there shouldn't be an army. The situation we are facing is that there would be an army with or without kahanists serving in it, and it would remain a leftist controlled army with or without them.
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Ughhh. Mr. Buzzkillington the 1940s are calling for you. Laws of "modesty"
Perhaps you're not aware of this but when I cite "laws of modesty" I'm referring to jewish law (halacha) which stipulates that Jews must behave as holy people and not reveal their naked body except in context of relations with spouse.
and the concept of "modesty" is a joke and will be left behind when the new generation takes over.
New generations already have taken over, the establishment is secular but religious jews still cling to their sacred religion and Torah is still relevant for all Jews. So I use the values of Torah to judge whether a person is an "example" for jewish youth.
Throwing out settlers isn't forbidden by Judaism.
Actually it is forbidden to expel Jews from their homes. Settlers are also Jews. You just hate what Judaism says and that' not my problem but don't claim it says something else.
Stop looking to a book and look to the present. Who cares if it is forbidden?
No. Jews follow judaism as God has instructed us to, and we do just fine with that. Without Torah, we are not a nation.
Btw, even if a person chooses to rebel or ignore the jewish tradition and halacha, expelling jews is still an act of treason by any logic!
In order for Israel to be as modern as it is now, it needs to be secular, as it will be suicide to fall in the path of religious government like many Islamic countries have done?
No, expelling Jews is suicide.
Women aren't supposed to be in combat? Why? Give me a good reason from the Bible.
After you give me your reason I will disregard it because it's still just a book.
Then why did you ask for one?
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The Torah tells us not to rely on miracles.
Israel exists because of a miracle. The vast majority of European Jewry was not interested in heeding Ze'ev's call to go to the Holy Land to take it back. The vast majority of European Jewry was exterminated in the Holocaust. With most good, religious Jews murdered, an enormous portion of the Jews in Israel in the late 1940s were insane kibbutznik leftists, worshippers of Ben Gurion--hardly heroic Zionist material.
With all of those factors in mind, there is no other way to explain the survival and prospering of the reconstituted Israel than miraculous action. Yes, we aren't supposed to count on miracles, but G-d knows better than to count on us, too.
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As repugnant IDF policy toward heroic Jewish pioneers is, a lot of you are living in the clouds. Without IDF there would be not one breathing Jew in the land of Israel. The patriotism, love for the land and for Jewish people must supersede the stinking government. This girl is patriotic and Zionist. Something that could not be said about a majority of ultra-orthodox / hassidic Jewish "men". If you believe in G-d, this should only strengthen the love for the land, not negate it.
Great post!!! I think this girl believes in the country she was born in and is trying to do her best by it... The thing is to get more of the right thinking people into the IDF... The more people in positions of power with the correct mindset the better... That's the way I see it anyway.
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Israel exists because of a miracle. The vast majority of European Jewry was not interested in heeding Ze'ev's call to go to the Holy Land to take it back. The vast majority of European Jewry was exterminated in the Holocaust. With most good, religious Jews murdered, an enormous portion of the Jews in Israel in the late 1940s were insane kibbutznik leftists, worshippers of Ben Gurion--hardly heroic Zionist material.
With all of those factors in mind, there is no other way to explain the survival and prospering of the reconstituted Israel than miraculous action. Yes, we aren't supposed to count on miracles, but G-d knows better than to count on us, too.
I wouldn't be so assertive as to say that "Israel exists because of a miracle", as the foundation and even the survival of the state of Israel up to this day can be explained in a variety of ways. But anyway, let's assume that it involves a miraculous intervention. What kind of miracle do you think it would take for Israel to survive without a trained and functional army ? Do you find it reasonable to even think about this ? Let's put it this way : just because I believe in G-d doesn't mean that I'm going to throw myself from the twelfth floor, thinking that He will save me. G-d watches us and judges us. He has mercy upon us but if we do foolish things, we should be prepared to face the consequences of our actions.
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There is a distinction between saying that people shouldn't serve in the army to saying that there shouldn't be an army.
I don't understand : what would be an army without people serving in it ?
The situation we are facing is that there would be an army with or without kahanists serving in it, and it would remain a leftist controlled army with or without them.
Are you saying that it doesn't matter if Kahanists won't serve in the army because the non-Kahanists will serve anyway, so that if the Arabs attack again, the non-Kahanists will be there to fight the Arabs ? I hope not, but the way you put it suggests this interpretation.
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YOU NEED KAHANISTS IN THE IDF THEY SHOULD LAY LOW UNTIL THE TIME COMES TO ACT .THEY SHOULD ALSO BE IN ALL BRANCHES OF THE POLICE
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I don't understand : what would be an army without people serving in it ?
Are you saying that it doesn't matter if Kahanists won't serve in the army because the non-Kahanists will serve anyway, so that if the Arabs attack again, the non-Kahanists will be there to fight the Arabs ? I hope not, but the way you put it suggests this interpretation.
What I would really like is to have a righteous army with Kahanists and other loyal and sensible Jews filling the ranks. But the situation is that the army is run by scums and traitors and that is how it would be whether the few Kahanists serve in it or not (and BTW Kahanist aktivists have been refused from entering the army service for years, for example Binyamin Kahane and I believe also Itamar ben Gvir and Noam Federman).
So if we are going to have an army of leftists who rather be a cannon feed than to clip a toe nail of an Arab let them have it.
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Israel exists because of a miracle. The vast majority of European Jewry was not interested in heeding Ze'ev's call to go to the Holy Land to take it back. The vast majority of European Jewry was exterminated in the Holocaust. With most good, religious Jews murdered, an enormous portion of the Jews in Israel in the late 1940s were insane kibbutznik leftists, worshippers of Ben Gurion--hardly heroic Zionist material.
With all of those factors in mind, there is no other way to explain the survival and prospering of the reconstituted Israel than miraculous action. Yes, we aren't supposed to count on miracles, but G-d knows better than to count on us, too.
That is not the Jewish view. I don't think yaakov mendel was denying that israels founding is miraculous. The fact remains we are forbidden to rely on a miracle.
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Ron, Zelhar,
You are eluding the objection. Who said that they were happy with what the IDF is now ? Certainly not me...
But to whom will desertion mostly benefit ? First and foremost to the Arabs. If all young Israelis refuse to serve in the army, what do you think will happen ?
Ron,
You are overdoing it on the failures of the IDF against Hezbollah and, even more, against Hamas. If it were not for a couple of casualties caused by tragic accidents, there would not have been a single Israeli soldier dead during Operation Cast Lead. Hamas was not able to take out one Israel soldier, whereas the IDF got rid of hundreds and hundreds of Hamas combatants. Of course I am not happy with the end result of this operation. But whose fault is it ? If the political and the military leaders of Israel allowed their soldiers to unleash their real power, instead of pandering to the "international community", Hamas would be crushed like a cockroach. The same is true of Hezbollah.
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You are eluding the objection. Who said that they were happy with what the IDF is now ? Certainly not me...
But to whom will desertion mostly benefit ? First and foremost to the Arabs. If all young Israelis refuse to serve in the army, what do you think will happen ?
I don't say people mustn't serve, but rather that under the current circumstances, if they refuse to serve it is also a legitimate choice. I hope all the leftists in Israel would desert the army, desert the country altogether. We don't need Yariv Openheimer (he is an officer in the reserves) and his fellow traitors in Israel.
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I don't say people mustn't serve, but rather that under the current circumstances, if they refuse to serve it is also a legitimate choice. I hope all the leftists in Israel would desert the army, desert the country altogether. We don't need Yariv Openheimer (he is an officer in the reserves) and his fellow traitors in Israel.
Oh, I don't agree, Yariv Oppenheimer will scare the Arabs to death ! :laugh:
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YOU NEED KAHANISTS IN THE IDF THEY SHOULD LAY LOW UNTIL THE TIME COMES TO ACT .THEY SHOULD ALSO BE IN ALL BRANCHES OF THE POLICE
To me, this is the correct approach. And if forced to do illegal order disobey and be prepared to face the consequences. - that is the truly heroic way, but some are afraid of a little time in the brig and/or a demotion. But is a demotion for refusing to expel Jews not better than simply dodging?
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I never said that anybody should expect miracles. I said that there is no way Israel could have survived in any way on its own no matter what.
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I never said that anybody should expect miracles. I said that there is no way Israel could have survived in any way on its own no matter what.
But no one is saying she is on her own. When it comes to calculating a plan of action however, G-d's help doesn't factor in because humans make decisions with free will and not knowing to what extent God's help will come and therefore not relying on it as a dependent factor of any plan.
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God bless her, and keep her safe.
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But no one is saying she is on her own. When it comes to calculating a plan of action however, G-d's help doesn't factor in because humans make decisions with free will and not knowing to what extent G-d's help will come and therefore not relying on it as a dependent factor of any plan.
OK let me explain more fully what I meant.
WE may say and believe that we aren't supposed to rely on miracles, but the self-hating vermin that control the IDF and Israeli government certainly don't give a damn about Torahic principles.
Looking back on them, every single Israeli victory was a gigantic miracle--especially the one in 1948 where a literal handful of ragtag peasants completely controlled by a communist dictator who wouldn't know how to fight his way out of a wet paper bag destroyed invasion forces fifty times their size, and with modern weapons of every kind.
Now look at Israel's humiliating failure in 2006, when she was supposedly at her absolute technological zenith. She was beaten soundly by a ragtag foe she outnumbered twenty to one.
I honestly don't see much difference in the IDF ceasing to exist tomorrow and it continuing to, and I do think that's a Torahic position.
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Israel survives because of G-d, not because of man.
So destroy the military and see what happens. You speak like the Hasidic Jews who were anti Zionist and refused to go to Israel during the Shoah. What happened? Their whole congregation died. 6 million Jews died. You don't wait for a miracle. You fight. The only reason why Israel exists is because of its superior military power.
Waiting for a miracle equals death. You have to take matters into your own hands. That's actually how Israel was founded. The Jews took matters into their own hands and declared independence. They started a military to make sure that they can defend themselves.
I personally don't know if the existence of Israel itself is a miracle. Either way, you cannot wait for them, whether you're religious or secular.
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So destroy the military and see what happens. You speak like the Hasidic Jews who were anti Zionist and refused to go to Israel during the Shoah. What happened? Their whole congregation died. 6 million Jews died.
Really, they were all hasidim? All 6 million Jews were hasidim?! You are kidding yourself.
Millions of reformed and assimilated Jews were also murdered in the holocaust because they too refused to go to Israel.
You don't wait for a miracle. You fight. The only reason why Israel exists is because of its superior military power.
I agree you fight and don't wait for a miracle, but I do NOT agree that Israel exists because of "superior military power." It did NOT have superior military power in 1948 by any stretch of the imagination.
Waiting for a miracle equals death. You have to take matters into your own hands. That's actually how Israel was founded. The Jews took matters into their own hands and declared independence. They started a military to make sure that they can defend themselves.
I personally don't know if the existence of Israel itself is a miracle. Either way, you cannot wait for them, whether you're religious or secular.
Yeah I agree totally with this part.
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I do NOT agree that Israel exists because of "superior military power." It did NOT have superior military power in 1948 by any stretch of the imagination.
That is all I've been trying to say all along.
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btw, there are also close to 5 million deform and assimilated Jews sitting in America right now who refuse to go to Israel (not to mention their parents and grandparents who did the same). There are many millions (more than 5 obviously) offspring from the grandparents' generation who are not even Jews anymore because the parents' generation intermarried. So don't stick the classically Jewish mental pathology onto only the hasidim. And obviously some hasidim did listen to jabotinsky and left before it was too late, I know offspring of one hasid who fought in Irgun, and I know offspring of another who fled because of jabotinsky coming to his shul...
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btw, there are also close to 5 million deform and assimilated Jews sitting in America right now who refuse to go to Israel (not to mention their parents and grandparents who did the same). There are many millions (more than 5 obviously) offspring from the grandparents' generation who are not even Jews anymore because the parents' generation intermarried. So don't stick the classically Jewish mental pathology onto only the hasidim. And obviously some hasidim did listen to jabotinsky and left before it was too late, I know offspring of one hasid who fought in Irgun, and I know offspring of another who fled because of jabotinsky coming to his shul...
Are you talking to me or FF? I never once agreed with his "blame the Hasidim" routine.
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You speak like the Hasidic Jews who were anti Zionist and refused to go to Israel during the Shoah. What happened? Their whole congregation died.
They did not refuse to go to Israel during the Shoah ! They were trapped, with nowhere to go. Had they had the chance to move to Israel instead of being sent to Auschwitz, what do you think they would have done ?
As early as the beginning of the 30s, the British and their Jewish collaborators in the colonial Palestine barred Jews from entering the land of Israel.
Stop blaming European Jews for being abandoned by the whole world, and by their fellow Jews from America in the first place !
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They did not refuse to go to Israel during the Shoah ! They were trapped, with nowhere to go. Had they had the chance to move to Israel instead of being sent to Auschwitz, what do you think they would have done ?
As early as the beginning of the 30s, the British and their Jewish collaborators in the colonial Palestine barred Jews from entering the land of Israel.
Stop blaming European Jews for being abandoned by the whole world, and by their fellow Jews from America in the first place !
True the Brits or Americans wouldn't let Jews in .Hitler at first told them take the Jews if you want them
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True the Brits or Americans wouldn't let Jews in .Hitler at first told them take the Jews if you want them
I have read where in the early days Hitler talked about allowing Jews to leave Germany however they would be going with nothing but the clothing on their backs... In the late 1930's America was still in the grips of the depression... The idea of taking in refugees that were coming with little or no resources was not something that would be very popular... Besides by the time it became plain that Hitler was rounding up and exterminating Jews the option of leaving was no longer on the table... Jewish organizations back then had a great deal of sway in the Democrat Party did a very poor job of putting some fire under FDR's tukis during the time something could have been done... This was something that Jewish groups needed to bring to the forefront back then... Gentile America in most cases had little or no understanding of what Hitler was planing for Jews living there... Had more been known I tend to believe Americans would have demanded something be done.
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Are you talking to me or FF? I never once agreed with his "blame the Hasidim" routine.
And hence I'm not talking to you. My comment addresses his hasidim remark.
Speaking of which, since Chaim Weizmann referred to them as the 'dust of history' why does freedom defender consider the "zionist mentality" so superior, when that is also partly to blame for the death of so many hasidim (and non-hasidim) ? Will freedom defender tell us he is a staunch ideological supporter for Irgun and Lehi and Zeev Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism which spawned those movements? I highly doubt that. I think freedomdefender is living with and basing his beliefs off of some ahistorical, very unrefined generalizations commonly known as "myths."
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She was born in Israel .Druse,Circassianand Russian none Jews serve in IDF so why not an American
According to Israeli citizenship law, tyhere are several ways of becoming a citizen.
1- Being born in Israel BEFORE Israeli independence in some cases. Druze, Armenians, Circassians and others got it that way, and so their descendants. Just because they were considered long term naturals of the land and had no other nationality.
2- Being Jewish (or a Gentile with at least one Jewish parent or grand parent), if the Jew (or the Jewish grand-parent has not rejected Judaism, and the prospective citizen establishes his/her residence in Israel. Those citizens are allowed to keep also the citizenship of origin.
3- Having legally resided in Israel for at least 3 of the last 5 years. In that case, a Gentile could theoretically apply for citizenship from abroad without even going to Israel, but he/she has to irrevocably resign the former citizenship. It's because they assume that a Gentile who resigns his citizenship is seriuosly planning to settle in Israel.
4- Having an Israeli Parent (no matter how that parent became a citizen) at time of birth, even if born abroad. Only if the parent got him/herself naturalized or born in Israel. That is, a child who is born abroad to an Israeli citizen is an Israeli, but he cannot pass his citizenship to his own children. However, as any other person, that children could get citizenship by Law of Return if they are Jewish or kins to a Jew, or by residence in Israel if Gentiles
Apparently, that girl is going to get her citizenship by naturalization on the basis of legal residence. If it's just a personal preference to live in Israel and abide by Jewish Soveregnty and Authorities, and it's an isolated personal case, I have nothing against it. But I would oppose a mass of Gentiles naturalising in Israel. We have plenty of lands in our Gentile countries to settle.