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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: DownwithIslam on June 10, 2007, 06:58:08 PM
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
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They come here to colonize America, and to make it into an extension of that Turd-World slum known as Mexico.
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Israelis aren't taking over the United States.
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Israelis aren't taking over the United States.
some think we are...but that is besides the point..
at one time everyone thought that the irish and italians were taking over..but they turned out all right.
the puerto ricans were much better behaved than the past...so i give kudos to them this time around 8)
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Israelis aren't taking over the United States.
at one time everyone thought that the irish and italians were taking over..but they turned out all right.
The Irish and the Italians were smart and hardworking people who came here LEGALLY, the Mexicans are none of these things.
Furthermore, Ireland and Italy don't share a BORDER with the United States!
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Danny, you can't really believe what you are saying. Are Jews attempting to "reconquer" the United States?
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Danny, you can't really believe what you are saying. Are Jews attempting to "reconquer" the United States?
of course not..but we say it that the mexicans are like many others say that jews are taking over the US...and we know that jews aren't...
the problem are the mexicans..the problems are the liberal americans who allow the mexicans in and don't make them learn english...As far as I'm concerned the Mexicans are innocent..It's the liberals who are dangerous and who need to be dealth with!
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How in the world are they innocent? They believe this land is rightfully theirs and that we are awful Gringo Yankee occupiers. That's no different from what the Muslims teach.
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How in the world are they innocent? They believe this land is rightfully theirs and that we are awful Gringo Yankee occupiers. That's no different from what the Muslims teach.
like i said, our liberal US governmnent and law enforcement have done nothing about it and let them say and do these things on OUR soil...
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Arriba!
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I like tacos and burritos... Taco taco taco burrito burrito burrito.
Taco flavored keesees for my Ben...
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Isn't that what Jewish people are supposed to do at the Israeli Day Parade? ;)
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Isn't that what Jewish people are supposed to do at the Israeli Day Parade? ;)
And it's what Puerto Ricans do on Puerto Rican day parades... :P
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like i said, our liberal US governmnent and law enforcement have done nothing about it and let them say and do these things on OUR soil...
All that proves is that the wetbacks are evil AND the government who allows them (to give businesses cheap labor) is evil too.
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I like tacos and burritos... Taco taco taco burrito burrito burrito.
Taco flavored keesees for my Ben...
I stopped buying Corona beer on principle.
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I like tacos and burritos... Taco taco taco burrito burrito burrito.
Taco flavored keesees for my Ben...
I stopped buying Corona beer on principle.
Why would you boycott Corona beer? It's made in Mexico by Mexicans. The more Mexican businesses IN MEXICO the better. It would make more sense for you to boycott American companies that use illegal immigrant labor. If everyone did that, there would be no illegal immigrants.
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Isn't that what Jewish people are supposed to do at the Israeli Day Parade? ;)
And it's what Puerto Ricans do on Puerto Rican day parades... :P
Really?
Where I live it must be a hispanic holiday/parade everyday! :P
I have nothing against hispanic pride.
Yet...since this is America wouldn't you like to see the American flag displayed more often?
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How in the world are they innocent? They believe this land is rightfully theirs and that we are awful Gringo Yankee occupiers. That's no different from what the Muslims teach.
... As did Columbus when he infultrated the Western world telling people that he discovered America. How do you discover a country, with people already living there? That's like me witnessing your wallet falling out of your pocket, then I retrieve it and call it "MINE" because I found it. It dosen't make sense.
I have no beef with Hispanics at all. I do wish that the laws would help the immigration process flow more quickly.
The people who migrate from Mexico/Cuba/ Dominican Republic illegally are examples of people escaping hell to live in America, a free country. They are innocent...the guilty parties are their governments.
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I was driving today and I saw this pathetic Mexican flag attached to a kookaracha mobile. The small car was packed with at least 5 kookarachas. Why the hell do they come here if they want to fly that stupid flag and makes this into Mexico?
Why is that on the Israeli day parade so many Jews have to wave the Israeli flag everywhere? Why are we here fly that flag?
Come on, you can come up with a better argument than what you are putting forth there! :-\
Isn't that what Jewish people are supposed to do at the Israeli Day Parade? ;)
And it's what Puerto Ricans do on Puerto Rican day parades... :P
Really?
Where I live it must be a hispanic holiday/parade everyday! :P
I have nothing against hispanic pride.
Yet...since this is America wouldn't you like to see the American flag displayed more often?
I think threre is nothign wrong with showing pride by waving a flag from the coutnry your support or you come from..But you are right, just as a Puerto Rican Flag should be waved with the American Flag, so should the ISraeli with the AMerican flag..at least to show appreciation for the wonderful opportunities the US has given to many immigrants etc etc etc... When that is not done, then I question a lot of things.
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The people who migrate from Mexico/Cuba/ Dominican Republic illegally are examples of people escaping hell to live in America, a free country. They are innocent...the guilty parties are their governments.
Speaking as someone who is the American-born son of legal Dominican immigrants, let me just say that the illegal aliens are the guilty party, in all cases. If they didn't come here illegally, then there would be no problem at all. Their governments may also be guilty, but so are the illegals.
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The people who migrate from Mexico/Cuba/ Dominican Republic illegally are examples of people escaping hell to live in America, a free country. They are innocent...the guilty parties are their governments.
Speaking as someone who is the American-born son of legal Dominican immigrants, let me just say that the illegal aliens are the guilty party, in all cases. If they didn't come here illegally, then there would be no problem at all. Their governments may also be guilty, but so are the illegals.
A lot of illegal imigrants don't have the means to come to this country legally. Yes, they're breaking and entering into this country and are guilty for doing so...but if they're suffering in their own country either their government needs to change or ours needs to find other ways for them to be here legally.
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The people who migrate from Mexico/Cuba/ Dominican Republic illegally are examples of people escaping hell to live in America, a free country. They are innocent...the guilty parties are their governments.
Speaking as someone who is the American-born son of legal Dominican immigrants, let me just say that the illegal aliens are the guilty party, in all cases. If they didn't come here illegally, then there would be no problem at all. Their governments may also be guilty, but so are the illegals.
A lot of illegal imigrants don't have the means to come to this country legally. Yes, they're breaking and entering into this country and are guilty for doing so...but if they're suffering in their own country either their government needs to change or ours needs to find other ways for them to be here legally.
it is wrong to break the law...i think we all can agree.
ANd in some situations where people sneak to avoid persecution to other countries...well, if they can get away without getting caught, then I say kutos to them. I know a lot of Persian Jews who escaped Iran from the crazy Shia' and snuck into this country..and they are all decent people...
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Yacov, the people of Mexico ARE evil. According to a March 2002 opinion poll that was on JTF, 80% of them felt that America deserved 9-11.
If that does not qualify them as Amalek, I don't know what does.
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Yacov, the people of Mexico ARE evil. According to a March 2002 opinion poll that was on JTF, 80% of them felt that America deserved 9-11.
If that does not qualify them as Amalek, I don't know what does.
20% is a lot that doesn't feel that way.
The problem which we have today as Americans is the problem Jews had in the 60's around the time the JDL was formed. No self-respect. If we had self-respect as Americans and all the injustices and anti-Americanism were answered without being defensive, the majority of those 80% of Mexicans would have a little more respect...that is if 80% was the true number...
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A lot of illegal imigrants don't have the means to come to this country legally. Yes, they're breaking and entering into this country and are guilty for doing so...but if they're suffering in their own country either their government needs to change or ours needs to find other ways for them to be here legally.
I really don't care. There's a legal way to come here, and they respond to that with "Screw you, gringo! This is my continent, not yours, you Anglo racist!". Oh, by the way, the typical illegal alien from Mexico hates blacks much more than we allegedly do here. They want to ethnically cleanse people such as you from the Southwest, and you probably heard about the story about a gang of Mexican murdering a 14-year-old girl because she was black? As you can see, it's not just whites that they plan to get rid of. And, what do you mean that they don't have the means to come here legally? Is it because they would be disqualified from coming here legally, since they have criminal records, are illiterate, have diseases such as TB, AIDS, etc, etc...? In that case, we don't want them here at all! Obviously, you want them here, because you heart bleeds for the poor, "undocumented" soul, who has to suffer racism from the mean fascist US government, because it refuses to give him the papers he needs in order to have a path to citizenship, notwithstanding the fact that said "undocumented" soul paid some coyote to be smuggled across, and thumbs his nose at the idea of having to learn English.
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A lot of illegal imigrants don't have the means to come to this country legally. Yes, they're breaking and entering into this country and are guilty for doing so...but if they're suffering in their own country either their government needs to change or ours needs to find other ways for them to be here legally.
I really don't care. There's a legal way to come here, and they respond to that with "Screw you, gringo! This is my continent, not yours, you Anglo racist!". Oh, by the way, the typical illegal alien from Mexico hates blacks much more than we allegedly do here. They want to ethnically cleanse people such as you from the Southwest, and you probably heard about the story about a gang of Mexican murdering a 14-year-old girl because she was black? As you can see, it's not just whites that they plan to get rid of. And, what do you mean that they don't have the means to come here legally? Is it because they would be disqualified from coming here legally, since they have criminal records, are illiterate, have diseases such as TB, AIDS, etc, etc...? In that case, we don't want them here at all! Obviously, you want them here, because you heart bleeds for the poor, "undocumented" soul, who has to suffer racism from the mean fascist US government, because it refuses to give him the papers he needs in order to have a path to citizenship, notwithstanding the fact that said "undocumented" soul paid some coyote to be smuggled across, and thumbs his nose at the idea of having to learn English.
why do all mexicans have to blamed for crazy cookoo gang people?
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A lot of illegal imigrants don't have the means to come to this country legally. Yes, they're breaking and entering into this country and are guilty for doing so...but if they're suffering in their own country either their government needs to change or ours needs to find other ways for them to be here legally.
I really don't care. There's a legal way to come here, and they respond to that with "Screw you, gringo! This is my continent, not yours, you Anglo racist!". Oh, by the way, the typical illegal alien from Mexico hates blacks much more than we allegedly do here. They want to ethnically cleanse people such as you from the Southwest, and you probably heard about the story about a gang of Mexican murdering a 14-year-old girl because she was black? As you can see, it's not just whites that they plan to get rid of. And, what do you mean that they don't have the means to come here legally? Is it because they would be disqualified from coming here legally, since they have criminal records, are illiterate, have diseases such as TB, AIDS, etc, etc...? In that case, we don't want them here at all! Obviously, you want them here, because you heart bleeds for the poor, "undocumented" soul, who has to suffer racism from the mean fascist US government, because it refuses to give him the papers he needs in order to have a path to citizenship, notwithstanding the fact that said "undocumented" soul paid some coyote to be smuggled across, and thumbs his nose at the idea of having to learn English.
why do all mexicans have to blamed for crazy cookoo gang people?
If you read my post carefully, you would see that I'm referring to illegal aliens.
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A lot of illegal imigrants don't have the means to come to this country legally. Yes, they're breaking and entering into this country and are guilty for doing so...but if they're suffering in their own country either their government needs to change or ours needs to find other ways for them to be here legally.
I really don't care. There's a legal way to come here, and they respond to that with "Screw you, gringo! This is my continent, not yours, you Anglo racist!". Oh, by the way, the typical illegal alien from Mexico hates blacks much more than we allegedly do here. They want to ethnically cleanse people such as you from the Southwest, and you probably heard about the story about a gang of Mexican murdering a 14-year-old girl because she was black? As you can see, it's not just whites that they plan to get rid of. And, what do you mean that they don't have the means to come here legally? Is it because they would be disqualified from coming here legally, since they have criminal records, are illiterate, have diseases such as TB, AIDS, etc, etc...? In that case, we don't want them here at all! Obviously, you want them here, because you heart bleeds for the poor, "undocumented" soul, who has to suffer racism from the mean fascist US government, because it refuses to give him the papers he needs in order to have a path to citizenship, notwithstanding the fact that said "undocumented" soul paid some coyote to be smuggled across, and thumbs his nose at the idea of having to learn English.
why do all mexicans have to blamed for crazy cookoo gang people?
If you read my post carefully, you would see that I'm referring to illegal aliens.
well, i can gather that 99% of illegal mexican aliens are coming here for more opportunities in something and 0% coming from religious persecution. I don't hate mexicans, but the law is the law...If you want opportunities, do it the right way...If you are escaping from a murderous government, well, you have ot do what you ahve to do to live...
So my problem with mexicans being here illegally is that they are breaking the law..and i'm pissed off at our govt for being apathetic about it.
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Why should people that came to this country illegally be given an opportunity to stay here and given preferential treatment when honest people waiting to immigrate correctly are left to rot at the end of the line. All the law breaking animals should not be demonstrating they have no right to. If they want to demonstrate they should go back to their native country.
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Why should people that came to this country illegally be given an opportunity to stay here and given preferential treatment when honest people waiting to immigrate correctly are left to rot at the end of the line. All the law breaking animals should not be demonstrating they have no right to. If they want to demonstrate they should go back to their native country.
exactly
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Danny, I am going to venture a guess that you don't really know Mexicans. I do. They, we, are not noble people by any stretch, at least the vast majority. Yeah, there are more decent Mexican kids than black or Arab for sure, but 20% of a population being okay or not bad is absolutely nothing to be proud of.
Mexicans are NOT the same people as Cubans, or even Puerto Ricans, by a long shot. Mexicockroaches are a lot more primitive and they like being primitive. Cubans and boricuenos (Puerto Ricans) generally aspire to become productive American citizens, at least in the old days. What are Mexicans doing for any place that they squat in?
Finally, what does it say about the character of Mexicans that 80% of them vote for the most evil liberal candidates available to them in any given election, even after the insane level of tuchis-kissing done by the entire Republican party?
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Danny, I am going to venture a guess that you don't really know Mexicans. I do. They, we, are not noble people by any stretch, at least the vast majority. Yeah, there are more decent Mexican kids than black or Arab for sure, but 20% of a population being okay or not bad is absolutely nothing to be proud of.
Mexicans are NOT the same people as Cubans, or even Puerto Ricans, by a long shot. Mexicockroaches are a lot more primitive and they like being primitive. Cubans and boricuenos (Puerto Ricans) generally aspire to become productive American citizens, at least in the old days. What are Mexicans doing for any place that they squat in?
Finally, what does it say about the character of Mexicans that 80% of them vote for the most evil liberal candidates available to them in any given election, even after the insane level of tuchis-kissing done by the entire Republican party?
THe mexicans that i know are quiet simple people...Sorry I didn't grow up in a gang bang neighborhood like you and feel like I need to blame all bad things on all mexicans like you seem to do...
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Why do you assume that because you knew a few good Mexicans growing up that they are that way all over?
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Why do you assume that because you knew a few good Mexicans growing up that they are that way all over?
Well, well, what do ya know, Joe? Isn't wonderful when the truth sets you free? Not all Mexicans are bad and not all are good..
and perhaps we can the same thing about black americans and all other people in this world, right?
best be not to sound like an extremist and no one be interested in Chaim ben Pesach's good message..
better yet, best not be an extremist...
Not all are bad...not all are good...so let's avoid the generalizations of certain peoples
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Re: "...Why do you assume that because you knew a few good Mexicans growing up that they are that way all over?..."
While living in Los Angeles, the kindest, most warm, and helpful individuals I encountered were of Mexican descent. The most disgusting and revolting characters I encountered there were also of Mexican descent.
I can make the same assertions regarding Israelis living in Israel.
People are people everywhere in the world, but illegal aliens are a threat to personal security as well as national security.
It matters not their national origins or ethnicity.
ALL illegal aliens must be first incarcerated and then deported.
The failure to do so here in the United States, will result in both all out civil war and also in the immediate collapse of our socio-economic and political order.
Don't count on our "elected officials" to do what is moral, legal, and right.
They refused to do so in the 1850's for the very same reasons that they are refusing to do so now: Impudence, Arrogance, Ignorance, and GREED.
The South finally reached a point of no return because it could not abide with Federal Tyranny emanating from Washington, D.C.
The resulting War Between The States killed more Americans than any other war in American history.
All right here on our own soil.
Democracy contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction.
A Democratic Republic holds more promise, but we no longer have one for a government.
The same gang that assassinated President Kennedy, converted our Republic into a fascist / imperialist / globalist / Corporatocracy, all the while masking actual reality under the charade of "election campaigns".
Regardless of which Democrat or Republican becomes the next President of the U.S., the policies of George W. Bush will continue unabated full steam ahead.
Our choice of "the lesser of the evils" can at best result in the election of a candidate "best suited" to oversee the implementation of the plan to eliminate American sovereignty and reduce the American populace to the same status as a serf from Honduras.
Both parties' actual membership rolls, when combined, amount to a miniscule percentage of our total population, and their leaderships are multi-millionaires who answer only to the Council On Foreign Relations and to the mega-billionaire ultra elite who control the supra-national global corporations.
It was George W. Bush who campaigned as "a Conservative" "family values" "against nation-building" "pro-Israel" "pro-education" "man of the people" "restore morality" "Republican" candidate -- remember?
Sure is a good thing that he won!
Otherwise, Kerry would have bankrupted the Treasury with liberal spending, sucked up to the UN, sided with the Arabs, aided International Muslim Terrorists, weakened and abandoned Israel, built foreign nations, ruined the military, promoted homos, and allowed millions of illegal aliens to invade the United States.
Si! Se puede! Gringos!
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I'm sorry, i know this is irrelevant but it CRACKS me up when Chaim says that word "kookarachas", on ASK JTF. So whenever anyone has the chance or it is relevent to their question please don't hesitate to use it:)
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Danny, I really didn't think I would need to say this again, but I am Mexican. Do you really think I do not know what we are like?
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Danny, I really didn't think I would need to say this again, but I am Mexican. Do you really think I do not know what we are like?
Mexican really? Are you short wiht straight black hair and dark skin and look a little bit like a Guatemalen? or are you blonde, blue eyed, white?
Are you also meaning to say that you are a self-hating mexican?
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I don't think I look like a Guatemalan, lol, but I am much closer to that than the latter.
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I don't think I look like a Guatemalan, lol, but I am much closer to that than the latter.
just for that i clicked on promote..hahahah :laugh:
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Oh, and my hair is curly btw. :P
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Oh, and my hair is curly btw. :P
that makes you either part black or part Jew. :-*
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I don't care if I am either one... I am not halachically Jewish, and why should I be ashamed of being part black?
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I don't care if I am either one... I am not halachically Jewish, and why should I be ashamed of being part black?
what does it mean to not halachically be Jewish?
Nothing to be ashamed of to be part black..it's actually a good thing...
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It means that even if I am part Jewish (which I really doubt, though I guess it is not impossible that there is some "marrano" in my Spanish side), I am not legally a Jew because my mother is not one.
I don't think I have any African blood either, but ya never know. ;)
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It means that even if I am part Jewish (which I really doubt, though I guess it is not impossible that there is some "marrano" in my Spanish side), I am not legally a Jew because my mother is not one.
I don't think I have any African blood either, but ya never know. ;)
is your dad a jew..not that it makes a difference if your mother isn't..i assume that you practice Judaism to a degree.
as far as knwoing or not knowing youare part african..take a look at yourself in teh mirror when you come out of the shower....ok ok..just kidding that was dirty..i apologize... :o
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
fjack your the greatest you made my day!!! Finally someone gave Columbus the credit he is due. The PC school systems have disparaged poor old Columbus so bad that he is blamed for almost wiping out the entire Injun population in the Americas. Anyone you talk to under 25 has a negative opinion on Columbus. I really believe revisionism like that in school curriculum is disgusting.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
fjack your the greatest you made my day!!! Finally someone gave Columbus the credit he is due. The PC school systems have disparaged poor old Columbus so bad that he is blamed for almost wiping out the entire Injun population in the Americas. Anyone you talk to under 25 has a negative opinion on Columbus. I really believe revisionism like that in school curriculum is disgusting.
I second that!
Great posts fjack.
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The most important trait that these people lack is gratitude. I see it in most lower classes. They don't know the meaning of gratitude. They ask or take anything that they can get for free and couldn't care less who has to pay for it. For them it is a joke to care or even seek out someone to thank for the medicines, health care, free lawyers, food stamps, public transportation, drug and alcohol counseling, housing, etc... They think all Americans are able to afford the absorption of the costs to take care of them for free. Ungrateful leeches that come here because they're too lazy and stupid to fix their own country which has the same opportunities for change and betterment just like this country has. We may see 50 million illegals here if we don't do something about it. This country could experience a financial collapse and China will be the next economic superpower climaxing the U.S. because we have to pay for illegals and their families.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
Fjack, do you have any idea how twisted your 'logic' sounds? First of all, you can't just "DISCOVER SOMEONE" they knew who they were before you even met them. Second, yes, it was a ginormous nautical feat that Columbus performed, traveling all that way from Spain in the Mayflower to a place HE'D never been before. The kicker is that when he stopped in what would be called "America" (by someone else's name; Amerigo Vesbucci), he thought he'd found India. THEN, Columbus in his great 'wisdumb' decided that the natives here were to be called Indians.
By definition, places and things are 'discovered' that haven't been seen (thought of or inhabited) by anyone else. The more appropriate term for what Columbus did should be 'visited', because you can't discover a place with people already settled there.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
Fjack, do you have any idea how twisted your 'logic' sounds? First of all, you can't just "DISCOVER SOMEONE" they knew who they were before you even met them. Second, yes, it was a ginormous nautical feat that Columbus performed, traveling all that way from Spain in the Mayflower to a place HE'D never been before. The kicker is that when he stopped in what would be called "America" (by someone else's name; Amerigo Vesbucci), he thought he'd found India. THEN, Columbus in his great 'wisdumb' decided that the natives here were to be called Indians.
By definition, places and things are 'discovered' that haven't been seen (thought of or inhabited) by anyone else. The more appropriate term for what Columbus did should be 'visited', because you can't discover a place with people already settled there.
"discovered" in this context means discovered by civilised people as they didn't know of it's existence before then. The fact that primatives might have camped there and chucked a few rocks at each other is not relevant.
Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them. The natives of (whatever they named America or their land before it was renamed) this country built their lives on THEIR civilization. They hunted for their food, built their own homes, created their own textiles, got married, bore children and raised them with pride. Calling them 'primitive' would infer that they were primates, bonking each other over the head with sticks and JUST discovering fire... which are babysteps to development of a civilization back then. You have to start somewhere before you end up where you want to be, right? Its just a shame that the Natives of this country weren't given a chance after Columbus' visit, and others to follow and are now marginallized on 'reservations' on what was supposed to be their land.
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Dear Erica,
See the historically accurate film Appocalyto and you'll see the native inhabitants of the Americas were savages who murdered, mutilated, tortured, enslaved,raped and cannibalised each other even if they could stack a few rocks into a shape. I hate to promote a film by Mel (nazi-torquemada-antisemite) Gibson though.
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Dear Erica,
See the historically accurate film Appocalyto and you'll see the native inhabitants of the Americas were savages who murdered, mutilated, tortured, enslaved,raped and cannibalised each other even if they could stack a few rocks into a shape. I hate to promote a film by Mel (nazi-torquemada-antisemite) Gibson though.
If I'm not mistaken, Appocalypto was based on the lives of the Mayans who did live the way you described. There were evil people and good people even then. What I'm referring to are the other Native tribes in post-America. They had wars with each other... I always thought wars were a way for political superpowers to measure how "big" they were compared to everyone else. Flexing power seemed to be present even before America was though of. The Trojans, the Spartans, the Shoguns of Japan... David and Goliath... war has always been an inherant trait. I don't condone the rapes, slavery or cannibalizm ... those things make me sick but it is what happened in the past. But much like other things in the past, people of the future seem doomed to repeat it.
And of cannibalizm, I really can't offer much support for the subject because I'm not into it however I have heard of the plane that crashed with a little over 10 passengers. Some died and some didn't. Those who didn't found it necessary to eat the dead to survive. Now if I'd been a survivor in that plane crash, I'd surely have either starved to death or taken one for the team by hunting for a mountain lion before eating a person. lol (Joke attempt...Watch out now! :D )
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Dear Erica,
See the historically accurate film Appocalyto and you'll see the native inhabitants of the Americas were savages who murdered, mutilated, tortured, enslaved,raped and cannibalised each other even if they could stack a few rocks into a shape. I hate to promote a film by Mel (nazi-torquemada-antisemite) Gibson though.
If I'm not mistaken, Appocalypto was based on the lives of the Mayans who did live the way you described. There were evil people and good people even then. What I'm referring to are the other Native tribes in post-America. They had wars with each other... I always thought wars were a way for political superpowers to measure how "big" they were compared to everyone else. Flexing power seemed to be present even before America was though of. The Trojans, the Spartans, the Shoguns of Japan... David and Goliath... war has always been an inherant trait. I don't condone the rapes, slavery or cannibalizm ... those things make me sick but it is what happened in the past. But much like other things in the past, people of the future seem doomed to repeat it.
And of cannibalizm, I really can't offer much support for the subject because I'm not into it however I have heard of the plane that crashed with a little over 10 passengers. Some died and some didn't. Those who didn't found it necessary to eat the dead to survive. Now if I'd been a survivor in that plane crash, I'd surely have either starved to death or taken one for the team by hunting for a mountain lion before eating a person. lol (Joke attempt...Watch out now! :D )
I eas in a plane crash once. Spent 3 weeks in the wilderness and was forced to eat ...airline food! :o............. Had no choice really. We'd eaten all the people :laugh:
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Imerica: "...Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them.
Erica,
Your opinions are those of the brainwashed and uneducated "One-World Socialists".
Simply put, they are insane.
If you really believe what you have written, then you lack the ability to discern civilization from savagery.
It seems you share the destructive cultural attitudes which are the very reason that negroes as a group are incapable of rising above the level of jungle primitives.
Unless you do some serious rethinking about how blessed your life has been in The New World, as opposed to the life you'd be living now in Africa had your ancestors not been brought here against their will, then I would recommend you accept JTF's Program for compensated one-way repatriation back to "The African Motherland".
I won't lose respect for you if you follow your instincts and repatriate, but I can assure you that America will not tolerate their children accepting Marxist drivel in place of Western Civilization in our schools and homes.
Go back to the Old World.
You are convinced that there is no difference between the life and culture there when compared to the life and culture here, so you and others sharing these dangerous misconceptions will be much happier there; away from those of us who know the difference between indoor plumbing and an outdoor sewer ditch.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
Fjack, do you have any idea how twisted your 'logic' sounds? First of all, you can't just "DISCOVER SOMEONE" they knew who they were before you even met them. Second, yes, it was a ginormous nautical feat that Columbus performed, traveling all that way from Spain in the Mayflower to a place HE'D never been before. The kicker is that when he stopped in what would be called "America" (by someone else's name; Amerigo Vesbucci), he thought he'd found India. THEN, Columbus in his great 'wisdumb' decided that the natives here were to be called Indians.
By definition, places and things are 'discovered' that haven't been seen (thought of or inhabited) by anyone else. The more appropriate term for what Columbus did should be 'visited', because you can't discover a place with people already settled there.
"discovered" in this context means discovered by civilised people as they didn't know of it's existence before then. The fact that primatives might have camped there and chucked a few rocks at each other is not relevant.
Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them. The natives of (whatever they named America or their land before it was renamed) this country built their lives on THEIR civilization. They hunted for their food, built their own homes, created their own textiles, got married, bore children and raised them with pride. Calling them 'primitive' would infer that they were primates, bonking each other over the head with sticks and JUST discovering fire... which are babysteps to development of a civilization back then. You have to start somewhere before you end up where you want to be, right? Its just a shame that the Natives of this country weren't given a chance after Columbus' visit, and others to follow and are now marginallized on 'reservations' on what was supposed to be their land.
Imerica it's not fjack that has twisted logic its you in this case. Columbus never set out to discover America per say he was looking for a quicker trade routes to the India's I believe. He was actually way ahead of his time because he felt the world was round. Most others folks of the time thought they would fall off the edge of the earth if they went to far out from land. He had the brains to notice that as a ship sailed out to sea first the tips of the mast would disappear and gradually more and more of the ship would become visible as it went over the horizon. In a matter of speaking he did stumble on what is now some part of the Americas however since he didn't start off with a fixed destination in mind how does that diminish his accomplishment. He was able to get back to Spain which again showed he was not as dumb as you seem to think. You say he discovered people who were already there. True in a way but its European history we follow not some drawings on the side of a wigwam or cave wall. Europeans had no knowledge that people existed in undiscovered parts of the world. What Columbus did back then would be similar to going to Mar's and finding beings living there. In a matter of speaking your position is that it would have been better if people never tried to expand their knowledge and discover new places. The Americas should have been left undiscovered to the Europeans so the indigenous people could have went on with their existence undisturbed. This is just not the way humans operate now then or ever. If you are unable to defend your home or country sooner or later someone is going to come along and try to either take it away from you through attrition or forcibly. The primitives were not able to stall this off and as crazy as it sounds its called progress. How is Columbus responsible for all events that came after anyway. The thing that disturbs me the most is that people today say what Columbus did was wrong but they apply todays customs and standards to 1492. Things that were perfectly acceptable back then are not today. Its said that Columbus infected the natives with disease. True but he had no knowledge of disease and viruses such as small pox and other diseases that ravaged Europe and that they could be spread even when people seem well. Also why was the native population so small in comparison to Europe's. Were natives dieing of local diseases in great numbers? The basic principal here is that if civilizations are unable to defend themselves they are going to be swept aside to make way for a more dominant group like it or not. For me Columbus will always be a great figure and no amount of PC drivel will ever change that. As I tell most revisionist history folks instead of spreading PC 'wisdumb' get an older history book and learn the real facts not just the comfortable and convenient made up ones.
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Imerica: "...Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them.
Erica,
Your opinions are those of the brainwashed and uneducated "One-World Socialists".
Simply put, they are insane.
If you really believe what you have written, then you lack the ability to discern civilization from savagery.
It seems you share the destructive cultural attitudes which are the very reason that negroes as a group are incapable of rising above the level of jungle primitives.
Unless you do some serious rethinking about how blessed your life has been in The New World, as opposed to the life you'd be living now in Africa had your ancestors not been brought here against their will, then I would recommend you accept JTF's Program for compensated one-way repatriation back to "The African Motherland".
I won't lose respect for you if you follow your instincts and repatriate, but I can assure you that America will not tolerate their children accepting Marxist drivel in place of Western Civilization in our schools and homes.
Go back to the Old World.
You are convinced that there is no difference between the life and culture there when compared to the life and culture here, so you and others sharing these dangerous misconceptions will be much happier there; away from those of us who know the difference between indoor plumbing and an outdoor sewer ditch.
Exactly!!!
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Imerica: "...Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them.
Erica,
Your opinions are those of the brainwashed and uneducated "One-World Socialists".
Simply put, they are insane.
If you really believe what you have written, then you lack the ability to discern civilization from savagery.
It seems you share the destructive cultural attitudes which are the very reason that negroes as a group are incapable of rising above the level of jungle primitives.
Unless you do some serious rethinking about how blessed your life has been in The New World, as opposed to the life you'd be living now in Africa had your ancestors not been brought here against their will, then I would recommend you accept JTF's Program for compensated one-way repatriation back to "The African Motherland".
I won't lose respect for you if you follow your instincts and repatriate, but I can assure you that America will not tolerate their children accepting Marxist drivel in place of Western Civilization in our schools and homes.
Go back to the Old World.
You are convinced that there is no difference between the life and culture there when compared to the life and culture here, so you and others sharing these dangerous misconceptions will be much happier there; away from those of us who know the difference between indoor plumbing and an outdoor sewer ditch.
Because I don't subscribe to what you think I'm brainwashed and uneducated? Wow..huge jump especially coming from someone who bashes ALL blacks every chance they get. Savagery by your definition is an act in which YOU are unfamiliar with. According to some of you blacks are savages just because they are black and some of the culture is horrendous. You are proof that people are afraid of leaving their comfort zones to get to know another culture..not the bad part but the good parts. You're not willing to see good I see which makes you one-sided, IMO.
On Columbus, I'm not the only person who shares the opinion I have of him and his conquests. So its not as if I'm out there on my own with this. I've read many accounts and have discerned on my own what to take from it.
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The theory that Columbus conducted his voyages in order to prove that the world was round was a myth that got started with Washington Irving's novel History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus.
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The world was know to be round approx. 400 bc. The greeks knew this by sticking a stick in the ground and following the shadow and by having another stick placed at a different location and then comparing the angle of both shadows. As far as the advanced civilization that columbus found, this is laughable. What he found was depravaity that goes well beyond a prom at a black high school. The nyths have been set forth by a nut case named Ivan van sertima. He claims that the egyptians discovered America and taught the people there to build pyramids. He is a professor how teaches at Rutgers. Read and laugh at his book "They come before Columbus". Not everyone was dressed in a fine suit and dress. The women ran around half nude and the men with a loin clothe. The natives were infested with VD long before Columbus got there. They had the morals of the duke rape accuserer, maya angelou, and hoprah. There is some serious scholarship out there and it is not coming from affrimative action soothe sayers. These blacks will say anything to make themselves feel good. It is sad in a way that they keep fooling themselves. We should pity them. I remember in the early 1980s when my wife and I would got to the bank and get a roll of nickels that we could give to little negro breakdancers who ammused us. I thought they were qute cute, much like a pet, but now I would not do anything for them they have proven that they can't be educated or assimalated into civilized society. Let them live with their invention myths and worship at the altar of the whore monger, drunk,plagarist and white hater. michael lucifer king.
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Imerica - It is spelled Amerigo Vespucci not Vesbucci - not that it matters - to the thread.
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Imerica - It is spelled Amerigo Vespucci not Vesbucci - not that it matters - to the thread.
Sorry for the mispelling...I'll try to exhibit perfection when spelling next time. (p, b)
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No offense was meant - I was just correcting the spelling of his name.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
Fjack, do you have any idea how twisted your 'logic' sounds? First of all, you can't just "DISCOVER SOMEONE" they knew who they were before you even met them. Second, yes, it was a ginormous nautical feat that Columbus performed, traveling all that way from Spain in the Mayflower to a place HE'D never been before. The kicker is that when he stopped in what would be called "America" (by someone else's name; Amerigo Vesbucci), he thought he'd found India. THEN, Columbus in his great 'wisdumb' decided that the natives here were to be called Indians.
By definition, places and things are 'discovered' that haven't been seen (thought of or inhabited) by anyone else. The more appropriate term for what Columbus did should be 'visited', because you can't discover a place with people already settled there.
"discovered" in this context means discovered by civilised people as they didn't know of it's existence before then. The fact that primatives might have camped there and chucked a few rocks at each other is not relevant.
Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them. The natives of (whatever they named America or their land before it was renamed) this country built their lives on THEIR civilization. They hunted for their food, built their own homes, created their own textiles, got married, bore children and raised them with pride. Calling them 'primitive' would infer that they were primates, bonking each other over the head with sticks and JUST discovering fire... which are babysteps to development of a civilization back then. You have to start somewhere before you end up where you want to be, right? Its just a shame that the Natives of this country weren't given a chance after Columbus' visit, and others to follow and are now marginallized on 'reservations' on what was supposed to be their land.
And they now have the best casinos around taking all the white mans money and the black mans money too.
It's called progress those Indians would have did nothing with the land.
Also where would that have left the black man?, he would have been in Africa eating bugs off the trees and each other.
All blacks should thank G_d for Columbus and celebrate his holiday more then MLK.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
Fjack, do you have any idea how twisted your 'logic' sounds? First of all, you can't just "DISCOVER SOMEONE" they knew who they were before you even met them. Second, yes, it was a ginormous nautical feat that Columbus performed, traveling all that way from Spain in the Mayflower to a place HE'D never been before. The kicker is that when he stopped in what would be called "America" (by someone else's name; Amerigo Vesbucci), he thought he'd found India. THEN, Columbus in his great 'wisdumb' decided that the natives here were to be called Indians.
By definition, places and things are 'discovered' that haven't been seen (thought of or inhabited) by anyone else. The more appropriate term for what Columbus did should be 'visited', because you can't discover a place with people already settled there.
"discovered" in this context means discovered by civilised people as they didn't know of it's existence before then. The fact that primatives might have camped there and chucked a few rocks at each other is not relevant.
Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them. The natives of (whatever they named America or their land before it was renamed) this country built their lives on THEIR civilization. They hunted for their food, built their own homes, created their own textiles, got married, bore children and raised them with pride. Calling them 'primitive' would infer that they were primates, bonking each other over the head with sticks and JUST discovering fire... which are babysteps to development of a civilization back then. You have to start somewhere before you end up where you want to be, right? Its just a shame that the Natives of this country weren't given a chance after Columbus' visit, and others to follow and are now marginallized on 'reservations' on what was supposed to be their land.
And they now have the best casinos around taking all the white mans money and the black mans money too.
It's called progress those Indians would have did nothing with the land.
Also where would that have left the black man?, he would have been in Africa eating bugs off the trees and each other.
All blacks should thank G_d for Columbus and celebrate his holiday more then MLK.
Whatever man.
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I've never heard of a Caribbean negroe bitching about whitey shipping their ancestors over from africa. They know damn well that whitey did them a favour.
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When mexicans raise their flag, they are using it as a symbol of occupation. They want to take over this country, end of story. These people are so stupid that acturally think that if they take over here, without white people the country will still function. In less than a year it will be worse that mexico or the other turd world cesspool they come from. As far as Columbus 'discovering' America, he performed one of the greatest feats of naval navigation in the world. The populations that we here had no concept of where they were and how they got here. For all practical purposes they were and still are savages. If the Europeans did not discover them and teach them they would still be living now as they did back then.
Fjack, do you have any idea how twisted your 'logic' sounds? First of all, you can't just "DISCOVER SOMEONE" they knew who they were before you even met them. Second, yes, it was a ginormous nautical feat that Columbus performed, traveling all that way from Spain in the Mayflower to a place HE'D never been before. The kicker is that when he stopped in what would be called "America" (by someone else's name; Amerigo Vesbucci), he thought he'd found India. THEN, Columbus in his great 'wisdumb' decided that the natives here were to be called Indians.
By definition, places and things are 'discovered' that haven't been seen (thought of or inhabited) by anyone else. The more appropriate term for what Columbus did should be 'visited', because you can't discover a place with people already settled there.
"discovered" in this context means discovered by civilised people as they didn't know of it's existence before then. The fact that primatives might have camped there and chucked a few rocks at each other is not relevant.
Actually the relevance lies in the fact that Columbus didn't discover ANYTHING. He stumbled upon the NEW WORLD (which was actually pretty old to the people who already inhabited the land before his mixed-up self arrived.) Amerigo Vesbucci, just by being the person who North and South America is named for deserved more respect than Columbus. And the 'primatives' you are referring to were just as developed as those who sought to conquer them. The natives of (whatever they named America or their land before it was renamed) this country built their lives on THEIR civilization. They hunted for their food, built their own homes, created their own textiles, got married, bore children and raised them with pride. Calling them 'primitive' would infer that they were primates, bonking each other over the head with sticks and JUST discovering fire... which are babysteps to development of a civilization back then. You have to start somewhere before you end up where you want to be, right? Its just a shame that the Natives of this country weren't given a chance after Columbus' visit, and others to follow and are now marginallized on 'reservations' on what was supposed to be their land.
And they now have the best casinos around taking all the white mans money and the black mans money too.
It's called progress those Indians would have did nothing with the land.
Also where would that have left the black man?, he would have been in Africa eating bugs off the trees and each other.
All blacks should thank G_d for Columbus and celebrate his holiday more then MLK.
;D
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Imerica you said
I don't condone the rapes, slavery or cannibalizm ... those things make me sick but it is what happened in the past.
So why take Columbus out of his place in history and hold him to different standards?
It is what happened in the past. Exploration and discovery.
P.S. Despite popular rumor he wasn't confronted by a civilized peace pipe smoking Indian population.
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Imerica you said
I don't condone the rapes, slavery or cannibalizm ... those things make me sick but it is what happened in the past.
So why take Columbus out of his place in history and hold him to different standards?
It is what happened in the past. Exploration and discovery.
P.S. Despite popular rumor he wasn't confronted by a civilized peace pipe smoking Indian population.
I could ask the same question about what you all think of MLK. The man has been dead for 40 or so years and yet you all call him n ames as if he's standing right in front of you. When the FBI files officially open up about him and all of the things you say are proven to be true about him I'll think about his character then but me bashing Columbus (someone who has been dead for hundreds of years) and you and others here bashing MLK isn't different at all.
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Erica, Columbus never proclaimed to be a spiritual and moral leader for his people and the world. Your g-d did. Thus, we will hold him to higher standards. Name one thing that your g-d did that was motivated by scriptural ideals or just plain human altruism.
And no, hanging out at the casinos and strip clubs with his pals Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X does not count.
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Erica, Columbus never proclaimed to be a spiritual and moral leader for his people and the world. Your g-d did. Thus, we will hold him to higher standards. Name one thing that your g-d did that was motivated by scriptural ideals or just plain human altruism.
And no, hanging out at the casinos and strip clubs with his pals Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X does not count.
My God? No MAN is GOd to me, not even MLK. He was someone who set the civil rights movement in motion and helped to make it possible for blacks to vote and get equal treatment when it comes to using the same restrooms, drinking from the same water fountains, and yes, sitting anywhere on the bus you'd like. That dosen't mean that he's a God to me, but he was a Godsend.
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Imerica - I don't understand your post.
I have never bashed MLK on this forum. I just don't believe that he deserves a National Holiday in his name or all the attention afforded him each year.
What makes him worthy of that?
I can think of people who have had a greater impact on the lives of more Americans
How about a Thomas Alva Edison or Henry Ford Day? ;)
You make arguments against Columbus forgetting the time in which he lived.
That just voids out your whole argument in mind.
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Erica, Columbus never proclaimed to be a spiritual and moral leader for his people and the world. Your g-d did. Thus, we will hold him to higher standards. Name one thing that your g-d did that was motivated by scriptural ideals or just plain human altruism.
And no, hanging out at the casinos and strip clubs with his pals Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X does not count.
My G-d? No MAN is G-d to me, not even MLK. He was someone who set the civil rights movement in motion and helped to make it possible for blacks to vote and get equal treatment when it comes to using the same restrooms, drinking from the same water fountains, and yes, sitting anywhere on the bus you'd like. That dosen't mean that he's a G-d to me, but he was a Godsend.
My point exactly - he was a G-dsend to the black people - what did he do for the country?
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Imerica - I don't understand your post.
I have never bashed MLK on this forum. I just don't believe that he deserves a National Holiday in his name or all the attention afforded him each year.
What makes him worthy of that?
I can think of people who have had a greater impact on the lives of more Americans
How about a Thomas Alva Edison or Henry Ford Day? ;)
You make arguments against Columbus forgetting the time in which he lived.
That just voids out your whole argument in mind.
You forget the natives were getting restless and needed to have a black holiday, bottom line there was no black man but MLK, so you can say he got his holiday for a lack of there being any other black man.
P.S. remember February is black history month, I don't remember them doing anything worth while to have a history month but at least it's the shortest month of the year.
I think Jesse jackson and AL sharpton should bring suit against the government for it being in the shortest month of the year, because this is definitely a discrimination case.
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Imerica - I don't understand your post.
I have never bashed MLK on this forum. I just don't believe that he deserves a National Holiday in his name or all the attention afforded him each year.
What makes him worthy of that?
I can think of people who have had a greater impact on the lives of more Americans
How about a Thomas Alva Edison or Henry Ford Day? ;)
You make arguments against Columbus forgetting the time in which he lived.
That just voids out your whole argument in mind.
You forget the natives were getting restless and needed to have a black holiday, bottom line there was no black man but MLK, so you can say he got his holiday for a lack of there being any other black man.
P.S. remember February is black history month, I don't remember them doing anything worth while to have a history month but at least it's the shortest month of the year.
I think Jesse jackson and AL sharpton should bring suit against the government for it being in the shortest month of the year, because this is definitely a discrimination case.
Oh no - why did you bring up that shortest month thing?
What are you thinking JB?
How much history can you make up? 28/29 days seems long enough to me. ;)
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Erica, Columbus never proclaimed to be a spiritual and moral leader for his people and the world. Your g-d did. Thus, we will hold him to higher standards. Name one thing that your g-d did that was motivated by scriptural ideals or just plain human altruism.
And no, hanging out at the casinos and strip clubs with his pals Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X does not count.
My G-d? No MAN is G-d to me, not even MLK. He was someone who set the civil rights movement in motion and helped to make it possible for blacks to vote and get equal treatment when it comes to using the same restrooms, drinking from the same water fountains, and yes, sitting anywhere on the bus you'd like. That dosen't mean that he's a G-d to me, but he was a Godsend.
My point exactly - he was a G-dsend to the black people - what did he do for the country?
He helped to unite blacks and whites. (Well, those who WANTED to be united, anyway.) That's what he did for our country. Me saying that he's a Godsend doesn't make him a God. No more than Thomas Edison inventing the light bulb or primitive man discovering that gathering shrubbery and striking two peices of flint together made one hell of a fire. Everyone is here for a reason. MLK and anyone else who did some kind of good to people served their purpose.
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Imerica - I don't understand your post.
I have never bashed MLK on this forum. I just don't believe that he deserves a National Holiday in his name or all the attention afforded him each year.
What makes him worthy of that?
I can think of people who have had a greater impact on the lives of more Americans
How about a Thomas Alva Edison or Henry Ford Day? ;)
You make arguments against Columbus forgetting the time in which he lived.
That just voids out your whole argument in mind.
You forget the natives were getting restless and needed to have a black holiday, bottom line there was no black man but MLK, so you can say he got his holiday for a lack of there being any other black man.
P.S. remember February is black history month, I don't remember them doing anything worth while to have a history month but at least it's the shortest month of the year.
I think Jesse jackson and AL sharpton should bring suit against the government for it being in the shortest month of the year, because this is definitely a discrimination case.
Oh no - why did you bring up that shortest month thing?
What are you thinking JB?
How much history can you make up? 28/29 days seems long enough to me. ;)
Its only 29 days every 4 years, mind you! LOL Besides blacks have been in America long enough to have history to speak of and pass on. I'm fine with BHM being celebrated in February. I was born on the first of that month. :) in the YEAR OF THE WOMAN! Irony all over the place. lol
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Erica, Columbus never proclaimed to be a spiritual and moral leader for his people and the world. Your g-d did. Thus, we will hold him to higher standards. Name one thing that your g-d did that was motivated by scriptural ideals or just plain human altruism.
And no, hanging out at the casinos and strip clubs with his pals Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X does not count.
My G-d? No MAN is G-d to me, not even MLK. He was someone who set the civil rights movement in motion and helped to make it possible for blacks to vote and get equal treatment when it comes to using the same restrooms, drinking from the same water fountains, and yes, sitting anywhere on the bus you'd like. That dosen't mean that he's a G-d to me, but he was a Godsend.
My point exactly - he was a G-dsend to the black people - what did he do for the country?
He helped to unite blacks and whites. (Well, those who WANTED to be united, anyway.) That's what he did for our country. Me saying that he's a Godsend doesn't make him a G-d. No more than Thomas Edison inventing the light bulb or primitive man discovering that gathering shrubbery and striking two peices of flint together made one hell of a fire. Everyone is here for a reason. MLK and anyone else who did some kind of good to people served their purpose.
Dearest Imerica,
MLK might have had a dream, but loking at it now do you thinhk it's gone pear shaped?
Was it his dream that blacks could act lawlessly with authorities frightened to treat them the same as whites for fear of false accusations of racism?
Was wilding and viscious attacks on the jewish and korean communities going unpunnished part of his dream?
I'm asking these question in earnest, sweetie.....I'm not having a go at you.
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Erica, Columbus never proclaimed to be a spiritual and moral leader for his people and the world. Your g-d did. Thus, we will hold him to higher standards. Name one thing that your g-d did that was motivated by scriptural ideals or just plain human altruism.
And no, hanging out at the casinos and strip clubs with his pals Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X does not count.
My G-d? No MAN is G-d to me, not even MLK. He was someone who set the civil rights movement in motion and helped to make it possible for blacks to vote and get equal treatment when it comes to using the same restrooms, drinking from the same water fountains, and yes, sitting anywhere on the bus you'd like. That dosen't mean that he's a G-d to me, but he was a Godsend.
My point exactly - he was a G-dsend to the black people - what did he do for the country?
He helped to unite blacks and whites. (Well, those who WANTED to be united, anyway.) That's what he did for our country. Me saying that he's a Godsend doesn't make him a G-d. No more than Thomas Edison inventing the light bulb or primitive man discovering that gathering shrubbery and striking two peices of flint together made one hell of a fire. Everyone is here for a reason. MLK and anyone else who did some kind of good to people served their purpose.
You totally lost me now...primative man - shrubbery - flint.
How about we have MLK and anyone else who did some kind of good to people served their purpose day in the place of just MLK day.
That way it covers anyone who may have ever done any little bit of good for our country but not enough to warrant their own holiday - then it would be an all inclusive holiday. That was MLKs goal - right?
At this point...my child would ask me if I were being sarcastic...I would have to say...YES! ::)
So as usual let us just agree to disagree.
I want to always see the American flag flown with pride in this country above or along side all others - to get back on the point of the thread.
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Imerica you said
I don't condone the rapes, slavery or cannibalizm ... those things make me sick but it is what happened in the past.
So why take Columbus out of his place in history and hold him to different standards?
It is what happened in the past. Exploration and discovery.
P.S. Despite popular rumor he wasn't confronted by a civilized peace pipe smoking Indian population.
I could ask the same question about what you all think of MLK. The man has been dead for 40 or so years and yet you all call him n ames as if he's standing right in front of you. When the FBI files officially open up about him and all of the things you say are proven to be true about him I'll think about his character then but me bashing Columbus (someone who has been dead for hundreds of years) and you and others here bashing MLK isn't different at all.
Imerica don't ask questions that have answers you may not want to hear. King was not all that his buffed up image represents. The real person that blacks should thank is Robert Kennedy. He above any other living person did more for black civil rights then King could ever do. King was an idiot he would say all that non violent garbage and then rile blacks up to the point that they were looting and burning down half the cities in the country. I watched this garbage on the news each night with my parents back then in the 60's and remember seeing it to this day. Then you would see the fool (MLK) the next day spouting his non violent crap all over again. In the last few years of his life MLK and his minions would start their cr-p about "its going to be a hot summer if we don't get civil rights" the worst disturbances of this sort were always in the cities where this animal was protesting. I remember after John Kennedy was shot (no great loss) Robert made sure that poor old LBJ signed the civil rights bill into law. I still shake my head each time I see that signing on TV you can see the distaste LBJ had for being made to sign that garbage because of the memory of a dead president.
You say you will see for yourself when they unseal kings files? Don't hold your breath for any unsealing by the time that day comes the country will be so PC that file will never see the light of day. I remember when Reagan was getting ready to sign the MLK holiday into law he was at a press conference and they asked him about signing the bill. He said he would sign it but he said after seeing the sealed files and if they were ever opened the American people would be left wondering why this man was ever given a national holiday. So right there you know the files will never be fully unsealed.
Now I have a question for you Imerica. Not that I have any sympathy for them but I could see why the indigenous people could possibly dislike Columbus and what came after him however I do not see why blacks get so nuts over this. Is it all part of the PC message or what? In all seriousness please explain if you know.
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Imerica you said
I don't condone the rapes, slavery or cannibalizm ... those things make me sick but it is what happened in the past.
So why take Columbus out of his place in history and hold him to different standards?
It is what happened in the past. Exploration and discovery.
P.S. Despite popular rumor he wasn't confronted by a civilized peace pipe smoking Indian population.
I could ask the same question about what you all think of MLK. The man has been dead for 40 or so years and yet you all call him n ames as if he's standing right in front of you. When the FBI files officially open up about him and all of the things you say are proven to be true about him I'll think about his character then but me bashing Columbus (someone who has been dead for hundreds of years) and you and others here bashing MLK isn't different at all.
Imerica don't ask questions that have answers you may not want to hear. King was not all that his buffed up image represents. The real person that blacks should thank is Robert Kennedy. He above any other living person did more for black civil rights then King could ever do. King was an idiot he would say all that non violent garbage and then rile blacks up to the point that they were looting and burning down half the cities in the country. I watched this garbage on the news each night with my parents back then in the 60's and remember seeing it to this day. Then you would see the fool (MLK) the next day spouting his non violent crap all over again. In the last few years of his life MLK and his minions would start their cr-p about "its going to be a hot summer if we don't get civil rights" the worst disturbances of this sort were always in the cities where this animal was protesting. I remember after John Kennedy was shot (no great loss) Robert made sure that poor old LBJ signed the civil rights bill into law. I still shake my head each time I see that signing on TV you can see the distaste LBJ had for being made to sign that garbage because of the memory of a dead president.
You say you will see for yourself when they unseal kings files? Don't hold your breath for any unsealing by the time that day comes the country will be so PC that file will never see the light of day. I remember when Reagan was getting ready to sign the MLK holiday into law he was at a press conference and they asked him about signing the bill. He said he would sign it but he said after seeing the sealed files and if they were ever opened the American people would be left wondering why this man was ever given a national holiday. So right there you know the files will never be fully unsealed.
Now I have a question for you Imerica. Not that I have any sympathy for them but I could see why the indigenous people could possibly dislike Columbus and what came after him however I do not see why blacks get so nuts over this. Is it all part of the PC message or what? In all seriousness please explain if you know.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on the MLK issue. As for why blacks get so nuts over Columbus there are many reasons. My own is that I'd like to think I have common sense. And common sense tells me that you can'd discover a place with people already living there and then NAME them as if you sprinkled fairy dust on the ground and there they were. ALSO, some African Americans have Native American ancestors as well. My grandmother was half Souix Native American and half Black. That would only make me .25 Native American though. So its not about PC at all.
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Imerica,
What be da year of da woman? UMM HMM!
I was wondering the same thing.
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OK Imerica we will agree to disagree. I wrote you a longer post before that responded to your post to me but I guess even my computer likes MLK because just as I was getting ready to send it it vanished never to be found. Anyway we will no doubt touch on the subjects at another point.
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Imerica,
What be da year of da woman? UMM HMM!
I don't speak like that so why don't YOU speak/ write as if you have some sense...
The International Year of the woman started in 1974, the year I was born in. Look it up.
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International Women's Year-1974... correction...
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OK Imerica we will agree to disagree. I wrote you a longer post before that responded to your post to me but I guess even my computer likes MLK because just as I was getting ready to send it it vanished never to be found. Anyway we will no doubt touch on the subjects at another point.
...or your computer hates MLK even more than you do and just refused to post the message. lol
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Actually my computer and I both hate MLK ;D
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Actually my computer and I both hate MLK ;D
;D
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Imerica,
What be da year of da woman? UMM HMM!
I was wondering the same thing.
Was your question answered?
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
I agree ;)
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
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If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
I've been saying you were plucky ever since I got on this forum. :-*
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
It does doesn't it ;)
Picked out of thin air by a seven year old child.
I'm stuck with it. ;D
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
Bullcat is one of our more steadfast and level-headed members.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
Bullcat is one of our more steadfast and level-headed members.
Thank You Scriabin.
I appreciate those kind words.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
It does doesn't it ;)
Picked out of thin air by a seven year old child.
I'm stuck with it. ;D
I don't know about the name - but you definitely win the Best Icon award!
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
It does doesn't it ;)
Picked out of thin air by a seven year old child.
I'm stuck with it. ;D
I don't know about the name - but you definitely win the Best Icon award!
Yeah. Its cute, huh?
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I didn't know you were a chick! Bullcat sounds so butch. ;)
Bullcat is one of our more steadfast and level-headed members.
Thank You Scriabin.
I appreciate those kind words.
I'm always honest, Bullcat.
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;D It is strange isn't it?
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
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Oh - I certainly hope not! ;)
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to sleep now thinking about that one.
I'm going to have to try - I need to get up in 2 hours. Good Night.
Nyquila - great name by the way! ummmm hmmmm!
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Scriabin - Let's hope it is a lime peel. I don't want to think of where the melon might have been! GoodNight.
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
Would a lime peel fit around a cat's head? Anyway, good night bullcat. :o I 've gotta get to bed too.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
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I told you....you're plucky. ;D
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
I don't doubt that!
If you carry on your life in a respectful way - then you will be respected and celebrated.
Despite being a man or a woman.
Some of the organizations that promote women - do it while bashing men/society for what they see as problems that women have. I can understand why men find these organizations offensive.
Alot of women today have the I can do whatever I like attitude - but don't like the results they get from acting that way. We do not live in a perfect world - that just doesn't fly - especially for women.
For instance - I will try to teach my child the importance of having respect for yourself. That the way you dress, how you treat your body, how you act around other people sends out a message. If you disrespect yourself then people will do the same.
Feminist organizations are doing a disservice to the young women of today while filling their coffers.
They should not pit men against women. It is distructive to our society.
We are all parts of the same whole.
Do you work Imerica?
Because the myth of your a strong woman you can have it all - is BS - you can have it all but someone or something suffers in the long run. It may be hard to admit but it is true.
Not many people on LongIsland manage in a one income household.
So I know lots of working women - who feel very tired, guilty and at times disgruntled.
I had a stay at home Mom when I was younger and it was wonderful.
When we were grown she did go back to work.
We are women - we are strong - but in all honesty do we really have it all today?
Any way I digress - I still love when I see the American flag flying anywhere and anytime.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
I told you....you're plucky. ;D
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OK Newman - we get it - You like Imerica ;)
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
I don't doubt that!
If you carry on your life in a respectful way - then you will be respected and celebrated.
Despite being a man or a woman.
Some of the organizations that promote women - do it while bashing men/society for what they see as problems that women have. I can understand why men find these organizations offensive.
Alot of women today have the I can do whatever I like attitude - but don't like the results they get from acting that way. We do not live in a perfect world - that just doesn't fly - especially for women.
For instance - I will try to teach my child the importance of having respect for yourself. That the way you dress, how you treat your body, how you act around other people sends out a message. If you disrespect yourself then people will do the same.
Feminist organizations are doing a disservice to the young women of today while filling their coiffers.
They should not pit men against women. It is distructive to our society.
We are all parts of the same whole.
Do you work Imerica?
Because the myth of your a strong woman you can have it all - is BS - you can have it all but someone or something suffers in the long run. It may be hard to admit but it is true.
Not many people on LongIsland manage in a one income household.
So I know lots of working women - who feel very tired, guilty and at times disgruntled.
I had a stay at home Mom when I was younger and it was wonderful.
When we were grown she did go back to work.
We are women - we are strong - but in all honesty do we really have it all today?
Any way I digress - I still love when I see the American flag flying anywhere and anytime.
I don't work outside of the home, I'm a Stay at home mom. My job at home is a lot more important that going out to work now. However I am working on my degrees so that I may be able to be certified as an elementary educator in 4 years, my 2 year old will be 6 then and will be attending school full-time so I'll be able to work then. However I feel that I DO have it all without having to leave the house to work.
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Well Imerica - you are quite lucky that you have the option to be a stay at home Mother.
What makes you think it is not very important for me right now?
I have to work for our health benefits.
I work for health benefits...which brings us back to the illegals and the drain they are on the system.
For following the rules - I'm rewarded with high taxes and the high cost of health insurance.
Yet the illegals for breaking the law get healthcare and free educations for their children. Translators provided - of course to help them break the law.
I'm just lucky enough to have parents that are willing to help raise my child
in this upside down world.
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Well Imerica - you are quite lucky that you have the option to be a stay at home Mother.
What makes you think it is not very important for me right now?[/i]
I have to work for our health benefits.
I work for health benefits...which brings us back to the illegals and the drain they are on the system.
For following the rules - I'm rewarded with high taxes and the high cost of health insurance.
Yet the illegals for breaking the law get healthcare and free educations for their children. Translators provided - of course to help them break the law.
I'm just lucky enough to have parents that are willing to help raise my child
in this upside down world.
Bold and italics, mine...Whoa! Hold up! Who ever said that your job isn't important. You asked me if I was working and I went into explaining about my situation. I've worked while my older kids where smaller...as young as newborn and 2 years old and as old as 5 and 7 years old. I'm also no stranger to being a SAHM. Moms have to do what they can. I'm not knocking you at all. So stop being so darned sensitive. I wasn't pointing a finger at you at all.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
I never questioned your staying at home with your child wouldn't be very important to you. Where did you get that? You asked me a question and I answered it and gave you MY reason for being a SAHM. So I don't think ANYTHING of your decision to work...I admire you and others who have to for it.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
You need to be on welfare or be illegal then you can get all the health care benefits for free, because now a days most women that say they are stay at home moms are on welfare.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
I told you....you're plucky. ;D
OK Newman - we get it - You like Imerica ;)
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No, I like Imerica better then anyone else on the forum.
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
It is, indeed a lime peel. ::)
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
Would a lime peel fit around a cat's head? Anyway, good night bullcat. :o I 've gotta get to bed too.
Its not a cat, really. Its a kitten.
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You can be anything you want Imerica you live in the US and the year is 2007. ::)
I'm proud to be a strong woman.
I'm lucky - I have great respect for the men in my life and they for me.
So I don't need the International Year of the Woman(or whatever) to make me strong.
If their goal is to tell women how great they are or could be - that's good.
If they have that you can be great despite men attitude - who needs them.
PS - I'm a strong woman but I am not a man - somethings the male does better and somethings the woman does.
I'm a strong woman because of what I conquered in my life, not because of what happened during the year I was born in. I didn't find that info out until I was 30. It makes me feel good that there was a time that women were celebrated, though. I won't lie about that. Before I found out about it, I was just as strong as I am now.
I told you....you're plucky. ;D
OK Newman - we get it - You like Imerica ;)
No, I like Imerica better then anyone else on the forum.
[/quote]You lie so unconvincingly.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
You need to be on welfare or be illegal then you can get all the health care benefits for free, because now a days most women that say they are stay at home moms are on welfare.
WTF? I'm not on welfare you ... (calming down). My husband works and brings home the bacon. I don't have to work right now. But I will in the near future. I'm working on my education so that I will be able work in my area of study. YOU need to stop saying bs like that.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
You need to be on welfare or be illegal then you can get all the health care benefits for free, because now a days most women that say they are stay at home moms are on welfare.
WTF? I'm not on welfare you ... (calming down). My husband works and brings home the bacon. I don't have to work right now. But I will in the near future. I'm working on my education so that I will be able work in my area of study. YOU need to stop saying bs like that.
That's good and I bet alot of that bacon has to be sliced for alot of people.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
You need to be on welfare or be illegal then you can get all the health care benefits for free, because now a days most women that say they are stay at home moms are on welfare.
WTF? I'm not on welfare you ... (calming down). My husband works and brings home the bacon. I don't have to work right now. But I will in the near future. I'm working on my education so that I will be able work in my area of study. YOU need to stop saying bs like that.
Once again you are getting ahead of yourself, I never said you are on welfare.
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
Then why isn't there a "year of the man"?
Because being a man is bad, just like being white, western, judaic-christian or conservative according to the cultural elite.
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
Then why isn't there a "year of the man"?
There should be. Be the one to start it off Yachov.
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I didn't think you were pointing a finger at me. I wouldn't care if you did.
Anyway - I wasn't telling you that my job is very important to me right now.
I wanted to say - what makes you think staying home with my child wouldn't be very important to me right now.
The choice is taken out of my hands every year when my taxes increase as does the cost of health insurance.
I don't live over my head or work to have things.
But whatever - we digress again.
You need to be on welfare or be illegal then you can get all the health care benefits for free, because now a days most women that say they are stay at home moms are on welfare.
WTF? I'm not on welfare you ... (calming down). My husband works and brings home the bacon. I don't have to work right now. But I will in the near future. I'm working on my education so that I will be able work in my area of study. YOU need to stop saying bs like that.
Once again you are getting ahead of yourself, I never said you are on welfare.
Did you make a distinction of who exactly you were talking about JB? As per usual, of course not.
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
Then why isn't there a "year of the man"?
Because being a man is bad, just like being white, western, judaic-christian or conservative according to the cultural elite.
My husband would disagree with you on all points.
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
Then why isn't there a "year of the man"?
Because being a man is bad, just like being white, western, judaic-christian or conservative according to the cultural elite.
My husband would disagree with you on all points.
You've missed my sarcasm, sweetie. I'm just saying the liberals don't think being a man is somethig to celebrate, along with the other things I mentioned.
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
Then why isn't there a "year of the man"?
There should be. Be the one to start it off Yachov.
I'm not going to start it because it is stupid. Just like I think it would be stupid to start White History Month. Why should there be months or years devoted to one gender or race?
My sister is a Leftist and one time even she said she doesn't understand why there should be Black History Month. She said she feels the same way about Women's History Month. I don't know if she still feels this was because it was many years ago.
Its not stupid to honor yourself. You should know that. Would you object to a month being named for the Jewish culture? If there isn't one already, I know you'd be the first to sign a bill for it to be introduced. I'm going to Google it just in case though.
I honor the positive women I know in my life because I've seen them make $1 out of $.15, encourage their children while at the same time encouraging themselves. I've seen some keep their families together through every trial. I honor black History because without it I wouldn't be here speaking my mind on a right-ist messageboard. I honor positive men because those I know supported their kids, and kept on keeping on for their benefit when the odds were against them. Remember Hannukah is a holiday also.. or should I say "Holy Day". We celebrate Jesus Christ's birth every year...another Holy Day. Heck, we celebrate our OWN birthdays every year. Is that stupid? I think not.
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
It is, indeed a lime peel. ::)
Are you sure?
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I did read about it Thank You.
I have never heard about it before.
It sounds like some feminist garbage.
If you get to be proud of your Jewish Heritage, I can be proud of the fact that I'm a strong woman. Its not feminist garbage. If women allowed abusive, dictating (those who are) men to run over them, and tell them what they can be or not be, they'd be weak. I'm definately not that.
Then why isn't there a "year of the man"?
There should be. Be the one to start it off Yachov.
I'm not goingstart it because it is stupid. Just like I think it would be stupid to start White History Month. Why should there be months or years devoted to one gender or race? to
Exactly - Yacov
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Its not stupid to honor yourself. You should know that. Would you object to a month being named for the Jewish culture? If there isn't one already, I know you'd be the first to sign a bill for it to be introduced. I'm going to Google it just in case though.
I'm also against a Jewish History Month. Jews should be Jewish every month. We don't need a special month for it. And making a whole month for it would just be making Jewish History into a new politically correct fest. Every day is Jewish History for Jews. We don't need a month. And we don't need America, which is not a Jewish country, to give us a whole month.
I honor the positive women I know in my life because I've seen them make $1 out of $.15, encourage their children while at the same time encouraging themselves.
Affirmative action math. I guess in affirmative action math, you can divide 15 cents and get 1 dollar. LOL.
Just like Mothers and Fathers day. Everyday should be mothers day.
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Maybe I don't get this ethnic pride day. I am white, DaVinci was white, Newton was white, Einstein was white so I should take credit for the work and brainpower that belonged to them and assign it to myself or a white bum on the street. This seems to me a 'cultural communisn' by taking the achievements of a few individuals who made great things happen and spreading their great achievements around everyone that belongs to that group or race? This is the same kind of thought process involved when I spread cream chesse on a bagel. What stupidity.Believe me, I am no DaVinci or a great thinker like the great Rabbi Kahane, our leader, so I am not going to take any credit for their sacrifices and their achievements. I say honor them and keep false pride out of it. I thought that all kinds of excessive pride and especially false pride was a sin.
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Very true it is a complete sin and brings out the worst in us beings!
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Its not stupid to honor yourself. You should know that. Would you object to a month being named for the Jewish culture? If there isn't one already, I know you'd be the first to sign a bill for it to be introduced. I'm going to Google it just in case though.
I'm also against a Jewish History Month. Jews should be Jewish every month. We don't need a special month for it. And making a whole month for it would just be making Jewish History into a new politically correct fest. Every day is Jewish History for Jews. We don't need a month. And we don't need America, which is not a Jewish country, to give us a whole month.
I honor the positive women I know in my life because I've seen them make $1 out of $.15, encourage their children while at the same time encouraging themselves.
Affirmative action math. I guess in affirmative action math, you can divide 15 cents and get 1 dollar. LOL.
You aren't funny at all. I meant women where I grew up made the impossible possible. Getting food for their families where there was none by stretching their budget. There's something wrong with you. "Affirmative Action math"...gimme a break. ::)
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
It is, indeed a lime peel. ::)
Are you sure?
Actually, upon looking at it again, a lime would be more pointy at the top because of its lemon form. I wonder if there are other green fruits that are round like that. Maybe a green apple on a kitten's head? I stand corrected until I do some kind of research. LOL
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;D It is strange isn't it?
Yeah it is - but it is kinda cute. Is that a watermelon rind? I wonder if it was just licked clean by... Nyquila! Ummm hmmm!
Looks like a lime peel.
It is, indeed a lime peel. ::)
Are you sure?
Actually, upon looking at it again, a lime would be more pointy at the top because of its lemon form. I wonder if there are other green fruits that are round like that. Maybe a green apple on a kitten's head? I stand corrected until I do some kind of research. LOL
I still think it's Nyquila's mini-watermelon. Ummm-hmmm!
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The skin is almost that of an orange or a lime so i would say it is either a green grapefruit:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/110173/2/istockphoto_110173_green_grapefruit.jpg)
(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fruitveg/orange/green20.jpg) a green orange..
Or yes...maybe just a melon.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/464791/1/istockphoto_464791_green_melon.jpg)
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The skin is almost that of an orange or a lime so i would say it is either a green grapefruit:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/110173/2/istockphoto_110173_green_grapefruit.jpg)
(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fruitveg/orange/green20.jpg) a green orange..
Or yes...maybe just a melon.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/464791/1/istockphoto_464791_green_melon.jpg)
Yeah, it looks the most like those grapefruit. I'm sure bullcat is relieved that nothing in her icon has touched Nyquila's lips.
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The skin is almost that of an orange or a lime so i would say it is either a green grapefruit:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/110173/2/istockphoto_110173_green_grapefruit.jpg)
(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fruitveg/orange/green20.jpg) a green orange..
Or yes...maybe just a melon.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/464791/1/istockphoto_464791_green_melon.jpg)
Yeah, it looks the most like those grapefruit. I'm sure bullcat is relieved that nothing in her icon has touched Nyquila's lips.
Although I would like to live in denial and think it is not Nyquila's mini watermelon...I'm almost sure it is...nope - I'll go with the grapefruit...denial is bliss ;)
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The skin is almost that of an orange or a lime so i would say it is either a green grapefruit:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/110173/2/istockphoto_110173_green_grapefruit.jpg)
(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fruitveg/orange/green20.jpg) a green orange..
Or yes...maybe just a melon.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/464791/1/istockphoto_464791_green_melon.jpg)
Yeah, it looks the most like those grapefruit. I'm sure bullcat is relieved that nothing in her icon has touched Nyquila's lips.
Although I would like to live in denial and think it is not Nyquila's mini watermelon...I'm almost sure it is...nope - I'll go with the grapefruit...denial is bliss ;)
No that is not it, it is not a lime and please don't use the word melon, people will get very offended by that word.
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The skin is almost that of an orange or a lime so i would say it is either a green grapefruit:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/110173/2/istockphoto_110173_green_grapefruit.jpg)
(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fruitveg/orange/green20.jpg) a green orange..
Or yes...maybe just a melon.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/464791/1/istockphoto_464791_green_melon.jpg)
Yeah, it looks the most like those grapefruit. I'm sure bullcat is relieved that nothing in her icon has touched Nyquila's lips.
Although I would like to live in denial and think it is not Nyquila's mini watermelon...I'm almost sure it is...nope - I'll go with the grapefruit...denial is bliss ;)
No that is not it, it is not a lime and please don't use the word melon, people will get very offended by that word.
Oh, come on. Do you really think people are that immature?
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The skin is almost that of an orange or a lime so i would say it is either a green grapefruit:
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/110173/2/istockphoto_110173_green_grapefruit.jpg)
(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fruitveg/orange/green20.jpg) a green orange..
Or yes...maybe just a melon.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/464791/1/istockphoto_464791_green_melon.jpg)
Yeah, it looks the most like those grapefruit. I'm sure bullcat is relieved that nothing in her icon has touched Nyquila's lips.
Although I would like to live in denial and think it is not Nyquila's mini watermelon...I'm almost sure it is...nope - I'll go with the grapefruit...denial is bliss ;)
No that is not it, it is not a lime and please don't use the word melon, people will get very offended by that word.
Oh, come on. Do you really think people are that immature?
ummm hmmmm!
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Oh, come on. Do you really think people are that immature?
ummm hmmmm!
Well, yes - I suppose they are...
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What is offensive by saying melon?
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What is offensive by saying melon?
Some disrespectful men in the world refer to woman's breasts as "melons". I think that's offensive to the n'th degree.
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What is offensive by saying melon?
Some disrespectful men in the world refer to woman's breasts as "melons". I think that's offensive to the n'th degree.
Oh ok.
Thats extremely stupid, people who think like that are only embarrassing themselves.
And Yacovs joke was funny.
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What is offensive by saying melon?
Some disrespectful men in the world refer to woman's breasts as "melons". I think that's offensive to the n'th degree.
I've heard women use it just as much. Now - I guess I can't judge here - but to me it just seems like a stupid thing to say.
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What is offensive by saying melon?
Some disrespectful men in the world refer to woman's breasts as "melons". I think that's offensive to the n'th degree.
I hadn't even thought of that disgusting use for the word melon.
What made you think of that :o ?
I'm not sure that was what was meant though.
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What is offensive by saying melon?
Some disrespectful men in the world refer to woman's breasts as "melons". I think that's offensive to the n'th degree.
I hadn't even thought of that disgusting use for the word melon.
What made you think of that :o ?
I'm not sure that was what was meant though.
Oh Dear L-rd no! I meant the melons Nyquila eats, not the...ughh it makes me cringe... (http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-27.gif)
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What is offensive by saying melon?
Some disrespectful men in the world refer to woman's breasts as "melons". I think that's offensive to the n'th degree.
I hadn't even thought of that disgusting use for the word melon.
What made you think of that :o ?
I'm not sure that was what was meant though.
Oh Dear L-rd no! I meant the melons Nyquila eats, not the...ughh it makes me cringe... (http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-27.gif)
It made me cringe too - you summed up my reaction perfectly.
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What is Nyquila?
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What is Nyquila?
It replaced Shaniqua as my female Shvartza name for Stereotype purposes. It's from a story that Allen-T posted.