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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lisa on May 04, 2011, 08:35:06 PM
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He says so in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUcFhyrBEQs&feature=player_embedded
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If this is true I think the man is a kook...
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Why am I not surprised? A birther has now become a truther. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he becomes a deather as well.
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This man defines the word "Uncle Tom". Not surprised since he's a Christian pastor and his non-Christian ancestors were probably forcibly converted.
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Well, so much for Manning being someone worth talking about. I think Obama (and his obsession with Obama) has literally driven him nuts.
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That's not good...My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend...This alliance the Pastor Manning wants will not help one bit.
It's like JTF joining with the Black Panthers because of the same hatred of the KKK.
Really a bad move.
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Guys why can't JTF work with Manning on the issues we agree with him on?
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Guys why can't JTF work with Manning on the issues we agree with him on?
It looks like he is a nut.
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It is disappointing but what can we do about it ?
A big mistake on Manning part. The birth certificate issue has become a big distraction in the campaign to dethrone the shvartza's Caliphate and pastor Manning has better realize it soon.
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There is a HUGE difference between the birthers and the truthers.
The birth certificate was plausable, since only a handful of people would need to keep it secret, and of those handful of people, 2 of them (the grandmother and a cousin) openly said they witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.
The 9/11 inside job cosnpiracy is absurd, and would involved thousands of people to be involved with a motive that is just as absurd.
Also, truthers are typically Muslims or Nazis who want to take away the blame from the real perpetraders, and blame someone else. That is in itself an EVIL motive.
Needless to say, I lost all respect for the 'pastor' and if this is not some rediculous joke from him, I dont want to see his messages on this board anymore.
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Looks like Manning has gone haywire...
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Why am I not surprised? A birther has now become a truther. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he becomes a deather as well.
Shut up fool.
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Guys why can't JTF work with Manning on the issues we agree with him on?
I agree with him that our government is corrupt, but I find it completely inconceivable that our government would be complicit in the murder of its own citizens. The video is from September of last year, so it's not a recent occurrence. We can't work with somebody that believes this nonsense because we could potentially lose all credibility. I sincerely hope that Pastor Manning can distance himself from the "truther" movement and all of the flaky people associated with it.
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I would distance myself from anyone who denies the truth that 9/11 was perpetrated by islam against America and Israel. I have already cut off 2 associates who happened to mention that they believed that cockamamie conspiracy BS...
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I agree with him that our government is corrupt, but I find it completely inconceivable that our government would be complicit in the murder of its own citizens. The video is from September of last year, so it's not a recent occurrence. We can't work with somebody that believes this nonsense because we could potentially lose all credibility. I sincerely hope that Pastor Manning can distance himself from the "truther" movement and all of the flaky people associated with it.
I would go even further. It's not only inconceivable (and impossible to have kept as a secret with not one whistleblower given all the hundreds of people that would have to be implicated in it), but it's also been proven wrong. It is simply not factual to claim that anyone other than al qaeda was behind 9/11. The "truthers" are living in denial and in a fantasyworld.
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Disappointing. I'd like to see Chaim's take on this. Does Pastor Manning realize that 99% of "truthers" blame Israel for 9/11?
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I think Manning cracked. He's lost all credibilty with me. He doesn't even know what to talk about anymore, so he says anything now.
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Although I don't agree with many points in the video I am going to give Pastor Manning a pass for now... Pastor Manning must be under incredible pressure due to some of the positions he has taken in the past... I am sure he is facing a great deal of opposition from the shvartza Administration and the DNC... It seems he is trying to build safety in numbers with what he is laying out in this video... JTF is a unique organization... The ground we cover is quite different from most other groups... I like Pastor Manning however I don't see myself agreeing with every word he says... I think it goes along the same lines between JTF and Pastor Manning... There is plenty of common ground with the two groups however their are also points of disagreement... I think time will tell how much the two groups can benefit each other by working together.
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I would distance myself from anyone who denies the truth that 9/11 was perpetrated by islam against America and Israel. I have already cut off 2 associates who happened to mention that they believed that cockamamie conspiracy BS...
I agree. Not only is it completely illogical to think that anyone but the anti semitic muslims did 9/11. Its also very dangerous o believe this conspiracy as it takes shaine away from how evil muslims are.
Disapointed with pastor manning, he gave me big hope for the black cummunity. Guess we are suck with the great Alan keys now.
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There is plenty of common ground with the two groups however their are also points of disagreement... I think time will tell how much the two groups can benefit each other by working together.
Very well said CJD. I couldn't help thinking when I read this thread how fickle so many JTFers are. I mean basically if you agree with someone 90% of the way or even 80% of the way and disagree with them on the rest of the issues then somehow they're considered a pariah here and unable to be worked with.
I'm with JTF when it comes to things like opposing Obama and stopping the advance of Islam through the world. Organizations that overall support good goals like opposing Islam should be supported and not undermined.
I feel the same way about ATLAH. Pastor Manning even if he is wrong on some issues is certainly a very good example to other blacks and I think that he should be emulated by them for most of his qualities and beliefs.
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Y'all are very emotional about this, and rightfully so, but like cjd I'm also giving Pastor Manning a pass for now.
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Disappointing. I'd like to see Chaim's take on this. Does Pastor Manning realize that 99% of "truthers" blame Israel for 9/11?
I posted an ' Ask JTF' question for the upcoming show that relates directly to this topic. I have very mixed emotions. While I'm of the opinion that each of other have one or more differences of opinion with JTF's positions ( even if we agree on over 95% of JTF's positions ), what are the positions/ issues that would prevent JTF from having an alliance?
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I posted an ' Ask JTF' question for the upcoming show that relates directly to this topic. I have very mixed emotions. While I'm of the opinion that each of other have one or more differences of opinion with JTF's positions ( even if we agree on over 95% of JTF's positions ), what are the positions/ issues that would prevent JTF from having an alliance?
Pastor Manning is not an anti-Semite.
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You bet I am 'emotional' about this topic. My brother was a victim and I have sworn that I would punch the lights out of anyone who denied what happened on 9/11. Then I softened a bit and decided I would just never associate with anyone who indicates to me that they feel that Bush did 9/11, or that there was an American conspiracy.
I did not listen, nor have I ever listened, to Pastor Manning. I do not know where he stands on the issue. But if I hear that he is a 9/11 'truther' he has established himself as one of my enemies.
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Pastor Manning is not an anti-Semite.
Agreed.
Even though Pastor Manning is not an anti-Semite, is being an 9-11 Truther an issue that prevents JTF from having an alliance with an individual or organization?
While I have great respect for Pastor Manning in most ways, he didn't use good judgment in making an alliance with the 9-11 Truther movement.
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Although I don't agree with many points in the video I am going to give Pastor Manning a pass for now... Pastor Manning must be under incredible pressure due to some of the positions he has taken in the past... I am sure he is facing a great deal of opposition from the shvartza Administration and the DNC... It seems he is trying to build safety in numbers with what he is laying out in this video... JTF is a unique organization... The ground we cover is quite different from most other groups... I like Pastor Manning however I don't see myself agreeing with every word he says... I think it goes along the same lines between JTF and Pastor Manning... There is plenty of common ground with the two groups however their are also points of disagreement... I think time will tell how much the two groups can benefit each other by working together.
cjd, I think you are a little bit in denial because of how much you like this guy and how he is willing to criticize his community. But come on. This is not some minor thing. This is huge. He simply has zero credibility when he sides with the 9/11 lies movement.
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Very well said CJD. I couldn't help thinking when I read this thread how fickle so many JTFers are. I mean basically if you agree with someone 90% of the way or even 80% of the way and disagree with them on the rest of the issues then somehow they're considered a pariah here and unable to be worked with.
Anyone who promotes the 9/11 truthtard movement IS a pariah!
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I side with muman and kwrbt in this issue. A 9-11 goes along the same line as a holocaust denier.
Zachor: when you become kind to the cruel, you become cruel to the kind.
I hope for all is hard work, pastor manning realizes he is making a colossal mistake siding with these truthers even if he isn't one himself. Let not his hatred of obama make him blind on what is truth and righteous.
And the same goes with jews, israel, and jtf. We are a people who will dwell alone.
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I recommend as many of you as possible to send a message to manning to urge him to not continue siding with truthers. This is a man to rebuke and to show mercy to the merciful.
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cjd, I think you are a little bit in denial because of how much you like this guy and how he is willing to criticize his community. But come on. This is not some minor thing. This is huge. He simply has zero credibility when he sides with the 9/11 lies movement.
It's not quite denial its hope that Pastor Manning will revise his position and move away from the 9/11 lies movement... In the past half year or so I have not been following Pastor Manning's videos and sort of lost track of his position on things... I was quite surprised to see him supporting such nonsense in the video that was posted here on the forum... I pray its only a temporary insanity on his part... I do like Pastor Manning a great deal which even surprises me because I don't cotton to black folks much unless they really strike me as being upstanding people... The Pastor speaks to his congregation in an honest and up front way... He doesn't tell them what they want to hear he tells them what they need to hear like it or not... While I don't agree with every word coming out of his mouth I think what he says as a black preacher to a black congregation makes a good deal of sense for the most part... I would actually like to meet the Pastor one day if the situation ever arises... As I said in my earlier post JTF is a unique organization how Pastor Manning's Church movement and our organization could work together remains to be seen... I am sure Chaim will look into this issue and give us the low down as soon as he gets all the facts... As you said correctly the 9/11 issue is a big deal and could honestly be a major stumbling block.
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By the way, we once had a 'truther' on this forum. A few of us tried to convince him otherwise, and eventually Chaim made the decision to remove him from the forum, because this kind of conspiracy nonsense is very destructive to the forum.
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Obviously, the Arab Muslim Nazi terrorists were responsible for the 911 massacre and to claim otherwise is absurd.
However, Pastor Manning is a strong and genuine supporter of Israel and the Jewish people. While we may disagree with him on certain issues, Pastor Manning has demonstrated a willingness to publicly and courageously praise our leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane, and to support JTF and its movement in both America and Israel.
I think we should work with Pastor Manning on the many vital issues where we agree. Pastor Manning can be an important voice in our campaign against Barack Hussein Osama.
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בס''ד
Obviously, the Arab Muslim Nazi terrorists were responsible for the 911 massacre and to claim otherwise is absurd.
However, Pastor Manning is a strong and genuine supporter of Israel and the Jewish people. While we may disagree with him on certain issues, Pastor Manning has demonstrated a willingness to publicly and courageously praise our leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane, and to support JTF and its movement in both America and Israel.
I think we should work with Pastor Manning on the many vital issues where we agree. Pastor Manning can be an important voice in our campaign against Barack Hussein Osama.
This is insane. It will make us look like a joke.
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From the video I conclude that he is not directly a truther himself, but merely tries to persuade people to keep suspicion about the government and demands more transparancy. I do not know about the harassment Pastor Manning suffers from the 'hidden' government, but I have no doubt most people would be shocked if he summed up every attempt to silence him. There is an entire list of people bill clinton had murdered including his own bodyguards. The people who run the show have no problem killing people whatsoever and there will only be few people who can understand what pressure Pastor Manning is under. He is huge and righteous with that. It serves no purpose treating him like an enemy.
Maybe Chaim can explain the saudi conspiracy more clearly to him so he can have a better understanding.
I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. Maybe it was a bad idea of him to try and tutor truthers that obama is not their messiah, but the US government is indeed an accomplice in 911 as they have allowed it to happen.