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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kahaneloyalist on June 14, 2007, 09:21:37 AM
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I know some members of this forum have sympathy for conspiracy theories and I wanted you to see what the most succesful of the 9/11 "truthers" thinks about Jews and Israel.
Alex Jones is a liar and a Jew hateing piece of scum. But dont think a lot of people throughout America dont agree with him, even if they think he is a little extreme. Let us realize it is time to come home to Eretz Yisrael, before crazies like Jones become mainstream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n6MehYHQOg&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n6MehYHQOg&mode=related&search=)
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9/11 "truthers" are scum and should die of cancer.
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Call me ignorant, but what exactly is a "truther?"
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Re: "...I know some members of this forum have sympathy for conspiracy theories and I wanted you to see what the most succesful of the 9/11 "truthers" thinks about Jews and Israel..."
I can only speak for MassuhDGoodName.
I will seek out truth anywhere it is to be found.
Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
Here's a paraphrase of a direct quote from The International Jew by Henry Ford -- one of history's greatest Jew-Haters, a man largely responsible for America's success in industry, and a man largely responsible for Hitler's genocide against the Jewish people.
"...the very idea of the Jews governing themselves in Palestine in their own State is laughable at best"..."...give the Jews just 40 years to govern themselves there, and then you'll see just what a mess they make of it!...".
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NOW THAT I'VE MADE MY POINT, HERE'S ANOTHER ONE FOR THOSE WHO DENOUNCE ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MIND AS A "CONSPIRACY THEORIST"...
When outrage over escorting Arafat from Tunisia to Israel and heavily arming and training the PLO erupted in the Knesset, the current President of Israel, Shimon Peres, replied condescendingly to those claiming "Oslo" threatened the existence of the Jewish People:
"Guns don't kill people; people kill people".
Recently, when opponents of "Oslo", outraged at Kadima for doing nothing in response to daily terror attacks and repeated missile firings into Israel from Jew-ridden Gaza, demanded action from their government in the Knessset, the now President of Israel, Shimon Peres, condescendingly dismissed them all as "complainers" and said:
"Things that fly through the air do not threaten the State."
Lastly, if those on this forum "smarter than myself"; those "in possession of the truth", want to know who is considered a "terrorist", and also want to know which group(s) are part of an "International Terrorist Conspiracy", please go to the website of THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE, where you will read the name Kahane, Kahane, Kahane, Kach, Jewish Defense League, JDL, on their OFFICIAL TERRORIST WATCH LIST.
IF ALEX JONES IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" AND HOLDS VIEWS DANGEROUS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND STATE OF ISRAEL, THEN SHARON, NETANYAHU, BARAK, OLMERT, RABIN, PERES, AND ALL OF THE "ARCHITECTS OF OSLO" CAN NOT BE QUESTIONED FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY ARE "ZIONISTS" AND "JEWISH LEADERS"!...
AND ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS JEWISH LEADERS IS AN ENEMY OF ISRAEL AND THE JEWS!!!
I, MassuhDGoodName, rest my case.
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Re: "...9/11 "truthers" are scum and should die of cancer..."
The same is true for those who willfully embrace total ignorance, have never studied history, and therefore doom themselves to repeat the same historical mistakes over and over.
These types of scum, can have no credibility, by their choosing to be a "true believer" and "knee-jerk follower" of those who have already firmly established their total lack of credibility both in speaking truth, and also in national leadership.
Those who disparage the Jewish People frequently say that "Jews are easily misled, due to their history of persecution."..."All that is necessary to deceive them is to declare that anyone who questions their intentions or actions is an enemy of the Jews!"
It never ceases to amaze me how many JTF members follow the weekly website and listen to Chaim Ben Pesach's messages, and then absorb nothing from either; immediately thereafter being content to place all of their faith and hope for the Final Redemption of the Jewish People in Rudy Giuliani and George Bush.
This great ancient adage seems to sum up such scum who should die of cancer:
"Don't confuse me with the facts; my mind is made up already."
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Alex Jones is the least anti semitic conspiricy nut,he's also pudgy
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Alex Jones is the least anti semitic conspiricy nut,he's also pudgy
Indeed he is, and yet he is still a enemy of the Jews, according to him Israel was created to be tool of the New World Order, as if we didnt have to drive the British and Arabs out with our blood and the strength Hashem gave us ::)
Re: "...I know some members of this forum have sympathy for conspiracy theories and I wanted you to see what the most succesful of the 9/11 "truthers" thinks about Jews and Israel..."
I can only speak for MassuhDGoodName.
I will seek out truth anywhere it is to be found.
Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
Here's a paraphrase of a direct quote from The International Jew by Henry Ford -- one of history's greatest Jew-Haters, a man largely responsible for America's success in industry, and a man largely responsible for Hitler's genocide against the Jewish people.
"...the very idea of the Jews governing themselves in Eretz Yisrael in their own State is laughable at best"..."...give the Jews just 40 years to govern themselves there, and then you'll see just what a mess they make of it!...".
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NOW THAT I'VE MADE MY POINT, HERE'S ANOTHER ONE FOR THOSE WHO DENOUNCE ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MIND AS A "CONSPIRACY THEORIST"...
When outrage over escorting Arafat from Tunisia to Israel and heavily arming and training the PLO erupted in the Knesset, the current President of Israel, Shimon Peres, replied condescendingly to those claiming "Oslo" threatened the existence of the Jewish People:
"Guns don't kill people; people kill people".
Recently, when opponents of "Oslo", outraged at Kadima for doing nothing in response to daily terror attacks and repeated missile firings into Israel from Jew-ridden Gaza, demanded action from their government in the Knessset, the now President of Israel, Shimon Peres, condescendingly dismissed them all as "complainers" and said:
"Things that fly through the air do not threaten the State."
Lastly, if those on this forum "smarter than myself"; those "in possession of the truth", want to know who is considered a "terrorist", and also want to know which group(s) are part of an "International Terrorist Conspiracy", please go to the website of THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE, where you will read the name Kahane, Kahane, Kahane, Kach, Jewish Defense League, JDL, on their OFFICIAL TERRORIST WATCH LIST.
IF ALEX JONES IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" AND HOLDS VIEWS DANGEROUS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND STATE OF ISRAEL, THEN SHARON, NETANYAHU, BARAK, OLMERT, RABIN, PERES, AND ALL OF THE "ARCHITECTS OF OSLO" CAN NOT BE QUESTIONED FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY ARE "ZIONISTS" AND "JEWISH LEADERS"!...
AND ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS JEWISH LEADERS IS AN ENEMY OF ISRAEL AND THE JEWS!!!
I, MassuhDGoodName, rest my case.
Jones hates the "right-wing" Jews as much as he hates anyone, he openly claims that terror attacks in Israel are actually the work of the Mossad and "right-wing settlers"
And I agree take the truth from whatever source it comes, but the conspiracy theorists arent scholars, they invent conspiracies out of whole cloth, ignoring mountains of evidence opposing their ideas and latching onto the vaguest hints that support their position. If someone comes forward and can actually prove a conspiracy theory, then its not a conspiracy theory, the reason Jones and his ilk are a fringe is because they arent scholars by any means, but people with some historical knowledge that they use to support their theories which lack actual evidence.
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I didn't hear anything anti-semetic in this audio recording. He is speaking about the Israeli gov't which is evil, at least that's what I have learned from listening to Chaim and reading Rabbi Kahane's books. Is this a situation where Kahanist Jews can speak honestly about evil self hating Jews, Jews as I have been reading lately that sold Yemenite babies and told the parents the children died in order to secularise the religious Sephardim who poured happily into Israel after WW2, but if it's a gentile making the same observations he's anti-semetic? I have watched some of Alex Jones's films and thought they were quite good and made some sense.
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Jones's claims that the US Liberty was a intentional attack, that the Mossad and settlers are behind most terror attacks in Israel, and only a minority are performed by the Arabs, whose attacks he justifies by the way, Israel was involved in 9/11. These claims dont strike you as anti-Semitic?
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Hello Kahaneloyalist, and good day to you.
I believe Jones' intent is to show that world governments are corrupted, and can't be trusted -- I don't believe he has an actual vendetta against the Jewish people, and he's been criticized harshly for not focusing on Israel exclusively. In my opinion, that usual the mark of an anti-Semite is when "Zionist conspiracies" are mentioned, and Jones to my knowledge has always steered clear of associating Zionism or the Jewish people, with the Israeli government; I have actually never read or heard him use the word "Zionism" in a negative context. In my observations of Jones, he's never mentioned Israel to a greater degree than America, or Europe.
Jones is likely a conspiracy nut, but I don't think he's an anti-Semite.
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I agree he has been condemmed by most anti-semites,saying he is'nt anti semitic
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Jones's claims that the US Liberty was a intentional attack, that the Mossad and settlers are behind most terror attacks in Israel, and only a minority are performed by the Arabs, whose attacks he justifies by the way, Israel was involved in 9/11. These claims dont strike you as anti-Semitic?
He said Mossad and settlers were behind some terrorist attacks. All of his statements sound like information he believes could be a possability, and some I believe could be. My definition of anti-semitism is out right hatred of Jews, period. If someone believes that something negative about Israel is true, even if it isn't, that doesn't make them an anti-semite. It makes them wrong. The Christian scriptures teach that the whole world will come under one centralised gov't and dictator. It certainly seems that things are moving that way. America would be the biggest stumbling block to those wanting to usher that era in. Could the globalists have obedient servants in Washington who serve their goals and not ours? Sure, why not? Maybe this is an over simplification, but what I believe to be true about end times[from the Bible] is becoming more and more visible to me when I look around at things. Alex Jones seems to feel the same way.
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re: "...and only a minority are performed by the Arabs, whose attacks he justifies by the way, Israel was involved in 9/11. These claims dont strike you as anti-Semitic?..."
The flawed thinking of those who immediately "call names" at both anyone investigating complex events in an attempt to determine the truth follows this pattern:
a. Alex Jones is a loudmouthed "Professional Patriot" and "Professional Conspiracy Theorist" who prints anything without subjecting it to documentable scrutiny, and Alex Jones not only does not share a "Jewish World View", but makes statements so ignorant that for all practical purposes he appears to be an Anti-Jew.
c. Therefore, if anyone investigating any and all sources of documentation to find out what happened to allow 9/11 to occur, has determined that the Official 9/11 Commission reveals many of the exact facts and circumstances which can be found on the websites of Alex Jones and thousands of others unassociated with him;
d. It is therefore only logical and true that THE OFFICIAL 9/11 COMMISSION is a pack of lies and Jew-hatred and Anti-Semitism printed by a bunch of "Conspiracy Theorist 9/11 Truthers and Nazis", because only "scum like that" would agree with so much as even one word which Alex Jones has ever spoken or printed.
THIS IS THE TERRIBLY ILLOGICAL AND FLAWED THINKING OF ALL TOO MANY ON THIS FORUM.
Kahane was a terrorist and a racist.
I know so because the U.S. State Dept. and Southern Poverty Law Center say so.
Therefore, if you are reading this YOU also are a racist and terrorist.
Case closed.
That's all.
If you disagree you should die of cancer.
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Kahane was a terrorist and a racist.
I know so because the U.S. State Dept. and Southern Poverty Law Center say so.
Therefore, if you are reading this YOU also are a racist and terrorist.
Case closed.
That's all.
If you disagree you should die of cancer.
Angry and unclear.
Massuh is usually coherent.
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Yeah, Massuh has seemed like a different person recently.
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Massuh:
We know that you're angry.
If you're going to tell us to all die of cancer, at least be clear as to why you feel this way.
Your anger clouds your communication.
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Re: "...If you're going to tell us to all die of cancer, at least be clear as to why you feel this way..."
Whaaa?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
I'm full of love, happiness, and understanding.
Got to go now...got to reduce my carbon footprint!
Bye!
MMMMMMaaaaaaaassssssssssuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhDDDDDDD
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Re: "...If you're going to tell us to all die of cancer, at least be clear as to why you feel this way..."
Whaaa?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
I'm full of love, happiness, and understanding.
Got to go now...got to reduce my carbon footprint!
Bye!
MMMMMMaaaaaaaassssssssssuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhDDDDDDD
Now I understand. ???
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Is he drunk? Or is this one big attempt at imitating a liberal to show how stupid they are?
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Not to be a pain but what is a truther?
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They claim to have secret ifo the no one else has
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Not to be a pain but what is a truther?
9/11 truthers are the ones who say that either George Bush set up the events of 9/11, or Israel did.
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Thanks FTF.
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911 conspiracy kooks are just that, kooks. Anything to avoid the obvious that Islam is the threat of the world. The problem is that there are plenty of idiotic people out there that will believe conspiracies that are completely outragous. But the real conspiracy how this country and Israel is committing suicide by appeasing the Muslim enemy.
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Yes that the real conspiricy
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THIS IS THE TERRIBLY ILLOGICAL AND FLAWED THINKING OF ALL TOO MANY ON THIS FORUM.
Kahane was a terrorist and a racist.
I know so because the U.S. State Dept. and Southern Poverty Law Center say so.
Therefore, if you are reading this YOU also are a racist and terrorist.
Case closed.
That's all.
If you disagree you should die of cancer.
MassuhDGoodName, are you joking around? If so (and I hope so) that's not funny.
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Chamish is a liar, I happen to know one of his stories to be a complete fabrication, and according to him every Kahanist is actually Shabak ::)
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Alex Jones is a pure and utter Nazi of the Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan type. He hates the United States government because it doesn't hate Jews enough. He is one of the militia types who wants to overthrow the "ZOG" and institute a Turner Diaries-type regime.
I do not doubt one bit that he is an Odinist piece of dreck like David Duke who also, once he is finished with Jews, wants to murder all nonwhites (or who he considers to be non-Aryan, rather) too.
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Re: "...that's not funny...."
So don't laugh
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Re: "...that's not funny...."
So don't laugh
Massuh, what's wrong?
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Yacov, The Turner Diaries is a fictional account of a white supremacist revolution in America that results in a bloody purge of all Jews and nonwhites. It is viewed as a Bible by the militia movement. It was written more than 20 years ago but remains very popular.
"ZOG" refers to "Zionist Occupied Government". The Nazis imagine that our government is pro-Israel and run by Jews.
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Not to be a pain but what is a truther?
A "truther" is a self-proclaimed 9/11 "expert" who claims to have a secret inside story of what "really" happened. 99% of the time it's one of these "Israel did it to frame the Arabs and get the U.S. to fight Arabs" libels.
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Re: "...Massuh, what's wrong?..."
Nothing...all is as it should be.
Ha'Shem is in charge.
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Revava actually has a former Shabak agent in it (Yisroel Meir Cohen).
And Chaim has questioned the actions of Baruch Marzel and Itamar Ben-Gvir after what happened with Roni. Chamish says Ben-Gvir is a Shabak agent. And Chaim exposed that they worked with Avishai Raviv, a known Shabak agent.
Yacov, everybody at Revava is a Shabak agent, starting at the top, with David HaOmo. That isn't any profound enlightenment.
Chaim doesn't think Marzel is Shabak though--just your typical scummy, opportunistic political whore. I believe that. What I want to know is why in the world HaRav Kahane (zt"l) hired this worm turd as his chief of staff. A rare but very, very bad lapse of judgment on his part. :(
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Do any of the Christians on this board have any theories as to how the muslim threat fits in with clear, unquestionable prophecies in the Bible concerning anti-christ and the final, one world government? [and saying Revelation is a fairy tale/acid trip that can't be understood isn't an answer]
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I do not know. I think Scripture deliberately leaves some details on the End of Days out so that we will not obsess and be distracted by it to the point of interfering with our daily lives and witness.
That said, what I envision is China taking over the whole world. I don't know how Muslims will fit in. Maybe as their shock troops.
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Allen, I could not believe some of your comments earlier in this thread. How can someone who believes that so-called "settlers" and the Mossad have a hand in attacks against our country NOT be a Nazi? This kind of pure evil is straight from the Protocols and the legends about blood matzos and the like. Don't forget that in 2004, he referred to Gaza as a "prison" (for Arabs).
Even aside from the Nazi venom he spews, Jones is an absolute nut. His conspiracy theories are the kind of stuff Tonycali's "professors" would teach... you know, that attempts to pass a national ID card to ferret out wetbacks (not that that will ever happen) are in fact are a premise to put microchips in everyone. What is this guy smoking?
How in the world is this guy Jones and his mental dreck any different from the "doctor" who told the class that "the government shut down bathhouses in order to stop the revolution"? Get out of here. The guy is in the last stages of cerebral syphilis. ::)
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I do not know. I think Scripture deliberately leaves some details on the End of Days out so that we will not obsess and be distracted by it to the point of interfering with our daily lives and witness.
That said, what I envision is China taking over the whole world. I don't know how Muslims will fit in. Maybe as their shock troops.
Interfering? You are right in that not every detail about everything is in scripture, but everything we need to know IS there. Days are coming that without proper knowledge people will be deceived. So much so that "even the very elect would be drawn away, if that were possible". The last days are said to be full of false prophets and false christs. Would God then leave us without a road map? Certianly not. Getting a proper understanding of end times, which is definitly available is crucial to understanding the world around us. Muslims are mindless stormtroopers for something bigger and more sinister it seems. Muslims don't have the brains to be the anti-christ regime. The US gov't is satanic through and through, as is those who do business with it.
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You are right--we know what we HAVE to know. The formation of the EU and the plan to create one hemispheric nation of America are obviously part of the New World Order in preparation for the AC. That much is obvious. We don't absolutely need to know how the rest will happen--just how to be prepared.
Like I said, I think China is the most obvious seat of the new "Caesar".
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Allen, I could not believe some of your comments earlier in this thread. How can someone who believes that so-called "settlers" and the Mossad have a hand in attacks against our country NOT be a Nazi? This kind of pure evil is straight from the Protocols and the legends about blood matzos and the like. Don't forget that in 2004, he referred to Gaza as a "prison" (for Arabs).
Even aside from the Nazi venom he spews, Jones is an absolute nut. His conspiracy theories are the kind of stuff Tonycali's "professors" would teach... you know, that attempts to pass a national ID card to ferret out wetbacks (not that that will ever happen) are in fact are a premise to put microchips in everyone. What is this guy smoking?
How in the world is this guy Jones and his mental dreck any different from the "doctor" who told the class that "the government shut down bathhouses in order to stop the revolution"? Get out of here. The guy is in the last stages of cerebral syphilis. ::)
CF, I am not saying I agree with everything this guy says, but take some time and study Revelation with a competant scholar and you won't find so much of this guys theories so "nutty". I have seen you attack people in the past for expressing end time theology that is in fact quite accurate. Learn about what the Bible says about this before you continue to do that.
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A lot of Christians are into Barry Chamish stuff because of the belief that there will be an NWO. Jews also believe that there will be a War of Gog and Magog and that George Wahabi Bush is Gog.
There already is a NWO. Right-wing Christians and Jews both agree on that.
Do I think GWB is literally Gog? I don't know. I think he is evil enough, but I don't know about intelligent or popular enough.
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CF, I am not saying I agree with everything this guy says, but take some time and study Revelation with a competant scholar and you won't find so much of this guys theories so "nutty". I have seen you attack people in the past for expressing end time theology that is in fact quite accurate. Learn about what the Bible says about this before you continue to do that.
Allen, scriptural accuracy has nothing to do with it. Is Alex Jones even a Christian? From the way he talks, I highly, highly doubt it. He is saying things that are utter lies (that Israeli pioneers are committing acts of terrorism). That proves he is a false prophet, and I don't need to open my Bible to demonstrate that.
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CF, I am not saying I agree with everything this guy says, but take some time and study Revelation with a competant scholar and you won't find so much of this guys theories so "nutty". I have seen you attack people in the past for expressing end time theology that is in fact quite accurate. Learn about what the Bible says about this before you continue to do that.
Allen, scriptural accuracy has nothing to do with it. Is Alex Jones even a Christian? From the way he talks, I highly, highly doubt it. He is saying things that are utter lies (that Israeli pioneers are committing acts of terrorism). That proves he is a false prophet, and I don't need to open my Bible to demonstrate that.
Is he preaching that the Israeli pioneers are terrorists? It sounded to me that while listing various pieces of information that seemed to fit together he made reference to that. Ok, one piece of information is wrong. He identifies himself as a Christian and I have watched several of his films and I found them to be both interesting and NOT anti-semetic. You have to be blind not to see that the US gov't serves global interests that will most likely lead to the anti-christ gov't
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And can anyone speak for EVERY person within any group of people? Who's to say there isn't a few Mordechai Levys amongst the settlers? I don't know, but does anyone here personally know every last Israeli pioneer?
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Who's to say there isn't a few Mordechai Levys amongst the settlers? I don't know, but does anyone here personally know every last Israeli pioneer?
Allen,
I am trying my very best to be calm. First of all, there is no such thing as a "settler". The only settlers are the Arab Muslim Nazi squatters from Jordan and Egypt who come and move to Jerusalem so that they can live off of the teat of the Israeli taxpayer.
Secondly, if there are traitorous Israeli pioneers, their first goal is to screw over fellow Jews, not America.
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You have to be blind not to see that the US gov't serves global interests that will most likely lead to the anti-christ gov't
But what does this have to do with mythical Jewish terrorists?
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Revava actually has a former Shabak agent in it (Yisroel Meir Cohen).
And Chaim has questioned the actions of Baruch Marzel and Itamar Ben-Gvir after what happened with Roni. Chamish says Ben-Gvir is a Shabak agent. And Chaim exposed that they worked with Avishai Raviv, a known Shabak agent.
Yacov, everybody at Revava is a Shabak agent, starting at the top, with David HaOmo. That isn't any profound enlightenment.
Chaim doesn't think Marzel is Shabak though--just your typical scummy, opportunistic political whore. I believe that. What I want to know is why in the world HaRav Kahane (zt"l) hired this worm turd as his chief of staff. A rare but very, very bad lapse of judgment on his part. :(
Yisrael Meir Cohen, worked for the police, was he in the Shabak? No one has presented any proof of that. Though Revava is certainly a worthless org.
On Raviv Chaim exposed nothing that wasnt already widespread knowledge, every Kahanist in Israel and most of the ones in the US knew that Marzel worked with Raviv, all the Kach people that Chaim supports, or supported worked with Raviv, this isnt some sort of great revelation, Raviv was supposedly Mister Right Wing in the early days of Oslo. ::)
Rav Binyamin Zeev zt'l on the other hand ordered all of his people to not work with Raviv, because Rav Binyamin Zeev zt'l thought Raviv was either nuts or Shabak.
Marzel was the Kach spokesman, the Rav's chief aide in Israel was Mike Guzofsky, and in America Ken Sidman until Ken's death.
Though he had many "chief" aides and assistants over the years
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Who's to say there isn't a few Mordechai Levys amongst the settlers? I don't know, but does anyone here personally know every last Israeli pioneer?
Allen,
I am trying my very best to be calm. First of all, there is no such thing as a "settler". The only settlers are the Arab Muslim Nazi squatters from Jordan and Egypt who come and move to Jerusalem so that they can live off of the teat of the Israeli taxpayer.
Secondly, if there are traitorous Israeli pioneers, their first goal is to screw over fellow Jews, not America.
Bad choice of words, I was tired and not thinking. Pioneers. If there are traitorous Israeli pioneers, who have either a globalist objective or are being used by globalists, then there goal would be to screw over both Israel & America, probably more so America because we, America, are the biggest stumbling block to that NWO agenda.
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You have to be blind not to see that the US gov't serves global interests that will most likely lead to the anti-christ gov't
But what does this have to do with mythical Jewish terrorists?
Evil Americans & evil Israelis don't exist, couldn't possibly work together towards a common goal? What do you mean mythical Jewish terrorists? Are you saying it's impossible for a Jew to be a terrorist? What do you mean?
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Jones is not a anti semite or anti Israel he's more anti govts.Richard 'kapo homo' silverstein is an anti semite anti Israel roach
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a poster opines: "He is saying things that are utter lies (that Israeli pioneers are committing acts of terrorism). That proves he is a false prophet, and I don't need to open my Bible to demonstrate that..."
Considering that it is a given fact that the Israeli Secret Police, in collusion with some leaders within Israel's government, have committed outright acts of premeditated terror, murder, assassination, sabotage, and character assassination upon its own Jewish citizenry, with its primary focus being the Jewish pioneers reclaiming our Land, the religious communities, and all who refuse to "follow the party line of the "Suicide Process", it stands to reason that the same government, in order to falsely incriminate those objecting to its policies, would stop at nothing to commit crimes and accuse the innocent on TV and in the media of being the guilty parties.
This has been a hallmark of Israeli government for some time now.
It is a successful tactic--the Israeli public is convinced that those opposing "Peace" are its enemies, and Alex Jones and others in the U.S. with no real Jewish connections are also convinced that the good guys are really the bad guys.
After all, that is what the mainstream media copies and repeats verbatim from the Israeli media and Israeli State propaganda networks.
Personally, I don't rank Alex Jones or those like him in the "prophet" category; false or otherwise.
None of our Prophets had websites, syndicated radio shows, made guest appearances, or sold videos, tapes, books, and bumper stickers.
Yet, Allen-T is exactly correct regarding New Testament prophecy, which is based entirely on or even a verbatim reiteration of Torah prophecy, as found in Zechariah, Daniel, etc.
It only stands to reason that if believers already know the outcome of history, they would carefully observe current and past events for unquestionable proof of prophetic fulfillment.
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Allen, the things we are discussing now are in the realm of intangibles. Technically there is no way to prove or disprove any of these cockamamie beliefs. Can I absolutely prove the moon is not made of green cheese? No. Do I need to? No. No, I do not think that Israelis, even the very most evil ones, want to harm America, for any reason. What would the motive be? Even the wicked, left-wing, self-hating worst of the worst of Jews want America on their side--if for no other reason than that they think Dubya and ilk will help them ethnically cleanse their fellow Jews in Israel.
So no, I don't buy any of what Jones says and still believe he is a Nazi. Just because he doesn't constantly talk about "Zionists" doesn't negate the fact that he said "Jewish settlers" are behind terrorism acts against the United States.
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CF writes: "...So no, I don't buy any of what Jones says and still believe he is a Nazi..."
-A NAZI is a follower of the NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKER'S PARTY, as led by Adolph Hitler.
-NAZISM IS THE BELIEF IN A NATIONALIST, TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST STATE LED BY ONE MAN (THE FUHRER) WITH ABSOLUTE POWER OVER EVERY ASPECT OF THE STATE AND CITIZENRY.
-NAZISM IS 100% RACE-BASED SOCIALISM--LIMITED TO ONE STATE AND ONE RACIAL GROUP ONLY.
-THE RACE WHICH MAKES UP THE NAZI STATE IS ENTITLED TO ALL BENEFITS AND BELIEVE THEMSELF TO BE THE ONE EXCLUSIVE MASTER RACE OF THE UNIVERSE, BORN TO RULE OVER, DOMINATE, AND/OR LIQUIDATE ALL OTHER "SUB-HUMAN" INFERIOR RACES.
STAY TUNED FOR TOMORROW'S CLASS, WHERE MASSUHDGOODNAME WILL TEACH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATIONAL SOCIALISM (NAZISM) VS INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM (MARXISM COMMUNISM)!
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IF BY THEN, YOU'RE STILL ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT ANYONE WHO IS UNFRIENDLY TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER IS A NAZI, THEN YOU ARE ELEGIBLE FOR MASSUHD'S NEWSLETTER, FREE VIA EMAIL, DEDICATED TO THE COGNITIVELY CHALLENGED AMONG US ON THE JTF FORUM.
Massah, when people say the word "fairy" for a gay person, they don't literally mean the dictionary definition of the word fairy. When someone used the words excrement, fag (trying to avoid some words here), or even communist, they also don't always mean the literal dictionary definition. Calling someone a nazi usually refers to someone who either wants Jews to suffer and die or someone who is as evil as a nazi. I don't think the members are cognitively challenged if they call someone evil a nazi.
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jeffguy: "...Calling someone a nazi usually refers to someone who either wants Jews to suffer and die or someone who is as evil as a nazi. I don't think the members are cognitively challenged if they call someone evil a nazi..."
Jeffguy, I agree with you that casual conversation among friends among whom we feel comfortable allows for a less than formal "bad mouthing" of those we don't like.
It is precisely because this forum includes those outside of the inner circle of intimate friendship, that we should make our words count very seriously.
Words contain virtually infinite power, denote specific context and meanings, and when misused obscure any ability to reason and make correct choices.
To discuss political theory in terms of "anyone opposing Jews for any reason is a nazi", is like listening to a surgeon telling medical students "organs are organs; just cut into them and sew them back up and you'll have performed surgery".
Rabbi Kahane always stressed that the Jewish People should make a great effort to understand the average common non-Jew's reality and world view, and stop thinking of ourselves as "liberal elitists who are far above the rabble and therefore could care less about what they think of us". He said that everyday average Christian Americans were the people with whom we should be allied in common cause; not the academic leftist intellectual elites. Why should a working class gentile, even one with no animosity towards Jews, be obsessed with all things Jewish? Many of them are about as interested as sending their hard earned dollars to Israel, as most of us here are in sending our dollars to Africa...they aren't anti-Israel...they're simply pro-America.
Enough said from me on the matter...
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I made an Ask JTF question about Jones, and it looks like Kahaneloyalist has as well. If Chaim says he is NOT a Nazi, I will apologize to you, Massuh.
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Allen, the things we are discussing now are in the realm of intangibles. Technically there is no way to prove or disprove any of these cockamamie beliefs. Can I absolutely prove the moon is not made of green cheese? No. Do I need to? No. No, I do not think that Israelis, even the very most evil ones, want to harm America, for any reason. What would the motive be? Even the wicked, left-wing, self-hating worst of the worst of Jews want America on their side--if for no other reason than that they think Dubya and ilk will help them ethnically cleanse their fellow Jews in Israel.
So no, I don't buy any of what Jones says and still believe he is a Nazi. Just because he doesn't constantly talk about "Zionists" doesn't negate the fact that he said "Jewish settlers" are behind terrorism acts against the United States.
If there are Americans who are on the side of the globalists and bent on destroying America to remake it in the image of Equador or Hondorus because such places are easily controlled, then certainly there could be Israelis. Globalists and their puppets could be anywhere.