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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: briann on October 07, 2011, 02:45:07 PM
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I realize that neither of them are true conservatives... but if its between these two... which it looks like it will be.... who would you pick based on their abillity to defeat Obama.
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Why is Herman Cain "not a true conservative"?
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Why is Herman Cain "not a true conservative"?
He may be more conservative than Mitt (Which doesnt say much), but he is not a true fiscal conservative against bailouts, etc. And does not have the stand we would like on either Israel and Illegal Immigration. The only one who was even close to being a true conservative was Huckabee and we still wouldnt consider Huck to be conservative enough for our movement.
But regardless, the reason for this poll is not about anything other than which would be more likely to beat Obama.
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And does not have the stand we would like on either Israe
This is absolutely not true. He is the only candidate saying that Israel should not surrender one inch.
and Illegal Immigration.
Nobody has a good platform on illegal immigration these days. Most Americans want some sort of amnesty program.
The only one who was even close to being a true conservative was Huckabee
Cain is to the right of Huckabee on just about every issue.
But regardless, the reason for this poll is not about anything other than which would be more likely to beat Obama.
Brian, the Republican base is not going to be motivated to turn out for the flip-flopping phony Mormon.
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This is absolutely not true. He is the only candidate saying that Israel should not surrender one inch.
Nobody has a good platform on illegal immigration these days. Most Americans want some sort of amnesty program.
Cain is to the right of Huckabee on just about every issue.
Brian, the Republican base is not going to be motivated to turn out for the flip-flopping phony Mormon.
He didn't even know what what 'right of return' was. That doesnt give me any confidence at all in him.
Most Americans want some sort of amnesty program.
THis is not true. I keep seeing you say this and am puzzled by this.
Almost every poll I've seen on this shows otherwise. Most Americans do not want amnesty and fear that more amnesty laws will result in a further flooding of illegal aliens across the US border. And this sentiment is even more prevalent with registered republicans. Rino's like Bush Mcain only support amnesty because of fear of being labeled racists by a a small percentage of 'activists'.
Yes, its possible America will thumb their nose at Romney since he is a mormon, but in a general election... I don't have confidence that Cain has what it takes to beat Obama.
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Nobody too stupid to understand what the right of return is should be president. Israel is a major ally.
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THis is not true. I keep seeing you say this and am puzzled by this.
Almost every poll I've seen on this shows otherwise. Most Americans do not want amnesty and fear that more amnesty laws will result in a further flooding of illegal aliens across the US border. And this sentiment is even more prevalent with registered republicans. Rino's like Bush Mcain only support amnesty because of fear of being labeled racists by a a small percentage of 'activists'.
It depends very much on how you word the question. If you ask someone if they are for amnesty for illegal aliens, they are very likely to say no. If you ask someone if they are in favor of illegal aliens having criminal background checks and a path to citizenship, they are very likely to say yes. The difference between the two is that there is no difference.
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I just heard Herman "the monster" Cain. He's another black guy who enjoys pointing out his blackness instead of being an American.
I heard him defending his inaction during the ☭ivil-wrongs movement.
He was picked out because he is black. Low IQ negros never achieve anything on their own.
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What about Mr Cain has some many people supporting him?
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The way I see it is if Cain were a white person he would not even be in the running... His major charm right now for most folks is that he is a black man telling white Conservatives what they want to hear... He says all the right things however just as in Romneys case once he becomes a contender the opposition will rake up every negative thing they can find on him... The fact that he is a " so called black conservative" will only make the opposition more venomous... For my money I will take the flip flopping Mormon any day of the week... The fact that he was able to adjust to the electorate he was representing only makes me like him a bit more... Romney's been through the fire a few times and although the press discredits him as a flip flopper the people for the most part seem to see he is no worse a flip flopper then anyone else in the running... As for the fact that Romney is a Mormon we have G-d only knows what in the White House now and very little is said about that... Worse still the people voted for a man that attended a radical subversive [censored] church for 20 years and the entire issue was swept under the rug... As I said in other posts I would like to see Cain as part of the next administration however just not sitting in the drivers seat.
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I don't like Mormonism but at least he's not a JW. Having a JW as president would cause more deaths because JWs don't believe in blood tranfusions and having one of them as president would popularize it. I don't know if their cult would even allow them to run for president though. I'd have to look that up again. Between the two cults (Mormonism and JW), Mormonism I think is the lesser evil. I don't want people referring to him as a "Christian" though as Romney follows a separate religion (Mormonism) which is about as close to Christianity in its beliefs as is Islam.
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Herman Cain should definitely be the choice of JTF. He isn't perfect but he is a lot better than Mitt Romney. Romney is a big-government republicrat. I don't think he's a bad guy but how can he run against Obama and criticize his policies when he did the exact same things? Anyone but that [censored] moron Ricardo Perry.
As for the right of return, I don't care about whether Hermain Cain knows about it or not. He's not running for president of Israel, he is running for president of America. Israel should run its country the way it wants without oversight from America. It isn't up to America to order Israel how to deal with the muslims.
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Herman Cain should definitely be the choice of JTF. He isn't perfect but he is a lot better than Mitt Romney. Romney is a big-government republicrat. I don't think he's a bad guy but how can he run against Obama and criticize his policies when he did the exact same things? Anyone but that moron moron Ricardo Perry.
As for the right of return, I don't care about whether Hermain Cain knows about it or not. He's not running for president of Israel, he is running for president of America. Israel should run its country the way it wants without oversight from America. It isn't up to America to order Israel how to deal with the muslims.
If Cain gets the Republican nomination his lack of knowledge and plain stupidity will come out during debates and we'll get another four years of Obama. At least Willard for all his flaws has a chance to win.
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Herman Cain matches more than anyone with the president of 2012 President Thomas Wilson (Danny Glover).
;D
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If Cain gets the Republican nomination his lack of knowledge and plain stupidity will come out during debates and we'll get another four years of Obama. At least Willard for all his flaws has a chance to win.
I have to agree... I am trying to think of one black politician anywhere that has held office and actually did a good job.... I am sure there are a few but for the life of me every name I come up with has had problems... Cain is a dark horse candidate in more ways than the obvious... I am sure once his record is looked into well he will have as many problems with the conservative base as Romney does possibly even more.
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With Cain everyone should remember 4 things, if it acts like a duck, smells like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck.
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Why is Herman Cain "not a true conservative"?
Don't be fooled by Cain he is saying what the conservatives want to hear, deep down remember he's black and his blackness will come out G_d forbid he gets elected president.
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Don't be fooled by Cain he is saying what the conservatives want to hear, deep down remember he's black and his blackness will come out G_d forbid he gets elected president.
what a great, insightful point.
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what a great, insightful point.
T H J why don't you take CJD's challenge and find a real "black conservative" that has been elected to office who really did a good job?
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Even though I voted for Cain though it looks like he is another Affirmative Action pick. He worked for the Fed and I didn't like what he said that if you don't have a job it's your own fault. Yeah like everyone should be able to find jobs under this administration.
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I don't think Cain is a bad person, or isnt genuine.... I just think he will come across as incompetent based upon his gaffs, and he doesnt have the campaigning ability that Romney has.
Also, I don't like Romney much, and I know his Mormonism will be a liabillity, especially with many gentile voters who consider L.D.S. to be one step away from Scientology.
Its certainly a tossup, and once again, the GOP has come up with a weak field. I just think Romney is more electable. Moderate voters may feel more comfortable voting for him.
And as far as the Mormonism..... Every evangelical Christian Ive spoken with has told me they would plug their nose, and vote for Romney as opposed to the alternative.... Hussein.
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And as far as the Mormonism..... Every evangelical Christian Ive spoken with has told me they would plug their nose, and vote for Romney as opposed to the alternative.... Hussein.
The cultist might cause turnout of evangelicals to be lower though, not just because of his strange religion but because of his lack of being a true conservative.
Even though he's preferable to Obama, he's not the kind of candidate that will energize the republican evangelical base.
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They are both disasters. The best of the two so far is cain, but not by that much.
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T H J why don't you take CJD's challenge and find a real "black conservative" that has been elected to office who really did a good job?
allen west
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Nobody too stupid to understand what the right of return is should be president. Israel is a major ally.
The arabs have no right to return anywhere except to arabia, the problem is too many politicians not only know what this concept is but they believe in it and pay it lipservice. Herman cain says to the fakestinians "right of... what? What's that?" Lol, like him even more now.
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Romney is milquetoast. Boring, bla, bland, blending in with the background, he will never come close to beating obama.
Contrast the 2 styles: obama writes up a jobs bill on a napkin at happy hour then goes in front of the american public in live primetime televised address giving a few highlights about it then putting the onus directly onto the congress and basically telling them "pass this or else!" Like if they don't it will make americans lives worse so stop getting in the way of progress, then goes on a countrywide tour doing rallies with the public and telling them his bill will help them and those darn congressman better stop arguing and just pass it already.
Mitt romney writes a book of over 100 pages with a 60-point job plan. Yes 60.
Who the hell is gonna read that? Who is he appealing to?
If its romney say hello to Hussein Stalin 2012.
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Don't be fooled by Cain he is saying what the conservatives want to hear, deep down remember he's black and his blackness will come out G_d forbid he gets elected president.
Wtf?
You said if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck... etc.
Well cain looks like a conservative, acts like a conservative, talks like a conservative,... and by golly he just might be a conservative.
Do you really think there is any candidate who does not "say what the conservatives want to hear"?
If he doesn't say what his voting base wants, how can any politician expect to get elected?!
Some people are so obsessed with skin color they cannot see the obvious, this guy not only stands for all the values that make america great, but he is CHARISMATIC and can beat obama.
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Herman Cain should definitely be the choice of JTF. He isn't perfect but he is a lot better than Mitt Romney. Romney is a big-government republicrat. I don't think he's a bad guy but how can he run against Obama and criticize his policies when he did the exact same things? Anyone but that moron moron Ricardo Perry.
As for the right of return, I don't care about whether Hermain Cain knows about it or not. He's not running for president of Israel, he is running for president of America. Israel should run its country the way it wants without oversight from America. It isn't up to America to order Israel how to deal with the muslims.
I agree with you, very well said.
I think I argued with you before about perry, but his lackluster performance caused me to sour on him and he does appear to be bush-like rather than conservative.
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Even though I voted for Cain though it looks like he is another Affirmative Action pick. He worked for the Fed and I didn't like what he said that if you don't have a job it's your own fault. Yeah like everyone should be able to find jobs under this administration.
When did he say that? He said if you fail its your fault. Big difference. And this was in the context of the occupy wallstreet marxist nuts. He said a person is not at fault for succeeding, at fault for failing. The occupation crowd seems to think successes should be punished and that's "fair"
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The arabs have no right to return anywhere except to arabia, the problem is too many politicians not only know what this concept is but they believe in it and pay it lipservice. Herman cain says to the fakestinians "right of... what? What's that?" Lol, like him even more now.
Well it's true the Fakestinians don't have any rights.
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definitely Cain (at least on principle). He may not know much about foreign policy, but his heart is in the right place. his slogan is "whoever has a problem with Israel has a problem with america" and he doesn't want Israel to give any land. we can at least be sure he will not pressure Israel. he ran a business pretty successfully, and with america's premier issue being the economy, its something he has a lot of skill at.
electability is a totally different story. How right wing he is will make the media rip into him in and of itself. He has zero political experience and doesn't know much about issues other than the economy, the media will rip him apart. I do think that Cain is electable, but there is a risk to it. obama did his 1st term so horribly that it might help Cain.
I think Cain is the best option (between the two).
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T H J why don't you take CJD's challenge and find a real "black conservative" that has been elected to office who really did a good job?
Actually I had not even narrowed the playing field to just conservatives... I was just trying to think of any black politicians in general who held office and actually did a good job... I still have not come up with a name and it seems no one else has either...
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Actually I had not even narrowed the playing field to just conservatives... I was just trying to think of any black politicians in general who held office and actually did a good job... I still have not come up with a name and it seems no one else has either...
This will be an interesting challenge for our JTF "anti racists". ;D
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It won't surprise me if newt's numbers improve and become a serious contender.
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In the end, it doesn't matter if he's your typical Negro moron. Intelligence is not what charms Americans.
He's a great speaker, just like Ronald "trees cause pollution" Reagan.
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P.S: I don't support anybody
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In the end, it doesn't matter if he's your typical Negro moron. Intelligence is not what charms Americans.
He's a great speaker, just like Ronald "trees cause pollution" Reagan.
I don't think Cain is all that great a speaker he is just saying things that in most cases that seldom are heard coming out of a black persons mouth... For some reason this impresses many conservatives and moderates in both parties... To the left a black guy like this is repulsive...If Cain were white his speaking abilities would actually be considered substandard... For the DNC Cain is a G-d send.... The left will lay back and pray Cain gains the Republican nomination. Afterwards they will expose every liberal leaning Cain ever had to the point where it would almost be a toss up between him or our sitting president.
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definitely Cain (at least on principle). He may not know much about foreign policy, but his heart is in the right place. his slogan is "whoever has a problem with Israel has a problem with america" and he doesn't want Israel to give any land. we can at least be sure he will not pressure Israel. he ran a business pretty successfully, and with america's premier issue being the economy, its something he has a lot of skill at.
electability is a totally different story. How right wing he is will make the media rip into him in and of itself. He has zero political experience and doesn't know much about issues other than the economy, the media will rip him apart. I do think that Cain is electable, but there is a risk to it. obama did his 1st term so horribly that it might help Cain.
I think Cain is the best option (between the two).
His biggest strength imo is his business experience and the fact that he knows how to help the economy strengthen in a meaningful way - creating this strength and the resulting confidence businesses will have will create jobs, and measures to help small businesses will drive the economy. He knows what harms the economy and that is what obama is doing.
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Cain2012 knows at least something, others know nothing but speak and pretend to know everything. That is what politics is all about.
If a transformer can win, then a real transformer Cain can really win.
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Cain2012 knows at least something, others know nothing but speak and pretend to know everything. That is what politics is all about.
If a transformer can win, then a real transformer Cain can really win.
Which Transformer are you talking about, Optimus Prime ?
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I don't think Cain is all that great a speaker he is just saying things that in most cases that seldom are heard coming out of a black persons mouth... For some reason this impresses many conservatives and moderates in both parties... To the left a black guy like this is repulsive...If Cain were white his speaking abilities would actually be considered substandard... For the DNC Cain is a G-d send.... The left will lay back and pray Cain gains the Republican nomination. Afterwards they will expose every liberal leaning Cain ever had to the point where it would almost be a toss up between him or our sitting president.
Cjd, I have news for you, he is saying things that rarely come out of a black person's mouth or a white person's mouth. Maybe you are not paying close enough attention. this guy will have policies that help the economy rather than hurt it. That's rare.
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Cain2012 knows at least something, others know nothing but speak and pretend to know everything. That is what politics is all about.
If a transformer can win, then a real transformer Cain can really win.
Which Transformer are you talking about, Optimus Prime ?
Oh No! That was really Ob. In the last election he promised to bring Transformation.
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Oh No! That was really Ob. In the last election he promised to bring Transformation.
Obama is more of a decepticon then a transformer.
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Obama is more of a decepticon then a transformer.
Correct. That is what it all meant to be.
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Some people are so obsessed with skin color they cannot see the obvious, this guy not only stands for all the values that make america great, but he is CHARISMATIC and can beat obama.
Hit the nail on the head.
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I don't like Mormonism but at least he's not a JW. Having a JW as president would cause more deaths because JWs don't believe in blood tranfusions and having one of them as president would popularize it. I don't know if their cult would even allow them to run for president though. I'd have to look that up again. Between the two cults (Mormonism and JW), Mormonism I think is the lesser evil. I don't want people referring to him as a "Christian" though as Romney follows a separate religion (Mormonism) which is about as close to Christianity in its beliefs as is Islam.
JWs believe that their followers are supposed to completely withdraw from all civic life, even voting. If you have anything to do with the workings of the unregenerate world, you are unregenerate yourself.
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This will be an interesting challenge for our JTF "anti racists". ;D
I can't stand the troll t_h_j but he did answer you and cjd with Allen West... no comment?
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Wtf?
You said if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck... etc.
Well cain looks like a conservative, acts like a conservative, talks like a conservative,... and by golly he just might be a conservative.
Do you really think there is any candidate who does not "say what the conservatives want to hear"?
If he doesn't say what his voting base wants, how can any politician expect to get elected?!
Some people are so obsessed with skin color they cannot see the obvious, this guy not only stands for all the values that make america great, but he is CHARISMATIC and can beat obama.
I see he got you fooled, which is exactly what he is depending on, he says exactly what people like you want to hear so you're all hot on him getting elected. NO black man will ever be as conservative as Cain pretends to be, he's a fake.
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In the end, it doesn't matter if he's your typical Negro moron. Intelligence is not what charms Americans.
He's a great speaker, just like Ronald "trees cause pollution" Reagan.
Please do not compare the fake Cain to Reagan.
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This is for all you people that are so hot on saying Cain has business experience.
Romney entered the management consulting business, which led to a position at Bain & Company, where he eventually served as CEO and brought the company out of crisis. He was also co-founder and head of the spin-off company Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm that became highly profitable and one of the largest such firms in the nation. The wealth Romney accumulated there would help fund his future political campaigns
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I see he got you fooled, which is exactly what he is depending on, he says exactly what people like you want to hear so you're all hot on him getting elected. NO black man will every and can ever be as conservative as Cain pretends to be, he's a fake.
why that's not racist at all.
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Herman Cain's 999 plan would kill the working and middle class. Imposing a sales tax (on everything including food and clothing) on top of an income tax is not a plan the GOP can sell to the American people.
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I see he got you fooled, which is exactly what he is depending on, he says exactly what people like you want to hear so you're all hot on him getting elected. NO black man will every and can ever be as conservative as Cain pretends to be, he's a fake.
First of all you have no credibility on any issue because you claim the land of Israel does not belong to the Jews even though God said so countless times in the Bible you profess to believe in. Second of all there is no reason why a black or other non-white person would be incapable of being a conservative. And unless you have some evidence to prove that, you are just screeching and squirming irrationally here. Irrational and illogical claims do not win an argument. In fact they offer nothing of value. So I suggest you show me evidence that Cain is fake or that any other politician should be taken at their word, but he shouldn't. Saying "his skin is black" doesn't cut it, clown.
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This is for all you people that are so hot on saying Cain has business experience.
Romney entered the management consulting business, which led to a position at Bain & Company, where he eventually served as CEO and brought the company out of crisis. He was also co-founder and head of the spin-off company Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm that became highly profitable and one of the largest such firms in the nation. The wealth Romney accumulated there would help fund his future political campaigns
No one here denied romney's business experience. One can't help but be impressed by it and also be impressed by cain's business experience where he was also a ceo. So what was your point?
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Herman Cain's 999 plan would kill the working and middle class. Imposing a sales tax (on everything including food and clothing) on top of an income tax is not a plan the GOP can sell to the American people.
It reduces income tax, however. And there is already sales tax, at least in ny I know there is one. At one point it was 7.25 % not sure what it is today.
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Please do not compare the fake Cain to Reagan.
You mean the Reagan who fought for and got the nation's first amnesty for illegal aliens, who sold out white South Africa, who along with his friend Fag Buchanus sent the American hero Jonathan Pollard to federal death row, and began the mass outsourcing exodus of jobs to Communist China?
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despite rick perrys "collapse" hes still beating Cain and even romney in some polls. I predict rick perry will still win the race. Once people get behind that voting booth......
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despite rick perrys "collapse" hes still beating Cain and even romney in some polls. I predict rick perry will still win the race. Once people get behind that voting booth......
Evidence please?
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Evidence please?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
As shown perry on 0.4 behind cain on the polling average and if you scroll down is still winning some polls.
I feel Perry will only get better in the debates(couldnt do much worse) and think he will bounce back.
A)POlls do not mean everything, look at george bush for that
b)its still very early days, as you can see from the real politics graph that Perry has platoed and i think i will go back up. hes already attacking mormonism..
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JWs believe that their followers are supposed to completely withdraw from all civic life, even voting. If you have anything to do with the workings of the unregenerate world, you are unregenerate yourself.
I think they forget that a sin of omission is still a sin.
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I think they forget that a sin of omission is still a sin.
There are a lot of things crazy about JW theology from a Christian standpoint. They say that they are strict monotheists because they deny the Trinity, but since they believe Jesus is actually a second, lesser god to Hashem, they are actually polytheists like Mormons.
JW theology is based in the ancient Roman heretical branch of Christianity known as Arianism.
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So the anti-Cain opposition is because he's black he can't really be a conservative. You guys are idiots.
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Cjd, I have news for you, he is saying things that rarely come out of a black person's mouth or a white person's mouth. Maybe you are not paying close enough attention. this guy will have policies that help the economy rather than hurt it. That's rare.
Actually I am paying very close attention to what he is saying now and more so to what his record has been in the past... It seems since he has decided to get into presidential politics he has had a moderate shift to the right with some of his policies... I listen to what he has to say now and has said in the past better then many folks here on the forum do for two main reasons... I have not been brainwashed by a liberal education system due to the fact of that sort of indoctrination was an aberration during the time I went to school and I have absolutely no white guilt whatsoever... The fact that he is a black man really doesn't do much for me but if he has something to bring to the table all well and fine... The way I see it is he is in the running... He has the same warts as all the others have however unlike Romney he has been getting a pass on some of his past positions... Cain has had limited political experience... He himself said he is a product of affirmative action... His position on issues like that and immigration reform paint a picture of someone who is at heart just a bit more liberal than they are letting on... Let put my cards on the table in closing... I have no real desire to vote for another black man as president of the United States now or anytime soon... This is not to say I would not if they really showed me that they were better then any of the other choices I could have... Cain still has a great deal of work to do as far as I am concerned making his case.
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It reduces income tax, however. And there is already sales tax, at least in ny I know there is one. At one point it was 7.25 % not sure what it is today.
That is a State and City sales tax, which in NY excludes food. Cain's proposal would tax ALL SALES including food!!! Do you want a Federal sales tax on top of a federal income tax? Do you want an IRS tax audit for cash register or garage sale in America?
Cain's plan lowers federal income taxes for some, BUT Raises it for those who pay less than 9%. Cain's plan will hit the poor and middle class the hardest.
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So the anti-Cain opposition is because he's black he can't really be a conservative. You guys are idiots.
Some of us might be idiots however we are not crazy... :::D If this mudduck wants to be president and expects idiots like me to vote for him he better put on a darn good presentation...
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That is a State and City sales tax, which in NY excludes food. Cain's proposal would tax ALL SALES including food!!! Do you want a Federal sales tax on top of a federal income tax? Do you want an IRS tax audit for cash register or garage sale in America?
Cain's plan lowers federal income taxes for some, BUT Raises it for those who pay less than 9%. Cain's plan will hit the poor and middle class the hardest.
The system we have now really does need to change... The main problem is when people don't pay even a small amount of tax and in some cases tend to get back more then they put in they get champaign tastes with beer pocket budgets.... Everyone needs to pay something on this Cain is correct.... His 9 9 9 program might not be the answer but its something to work with.
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There are a lot of things crazy about JW theology from a Christian standpoint. They say that they are strict monotheists because they deny the Trinity, but since they believe Jesus is actually a second, lesser G-d to Hashem, they are actually polytheists like Mormons.
JW theology is based in the ancient Roman heretical branch of Christianity known as Arianism.
Creepy! Thanks for the info!
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So the anti-Cain opposition is because he's black he can't really be a conservative. You guys are idiots.
After what these animals did to the Jewish people after the civil rights movement you are dam right we idiots are anti-Cain because he's black, there are very few that can be trusted when it comes to everyone's future. I will say it again there is no black person as conservative as Cain pretends to be and eventually his blackness will come out and we idiots don't want to see it come out if he gets the nomination or G-d forbid when he's president. We don't want to trade one duck for another one.
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After what these animals did to the Jewish people after the civil rights movement you are dam right we idiots are anti-Cain because he's black, there are very few that can be trusted when it comes to everyone's future. I will say it again there is no black person as conservative as Cain pretends to be and eventually his blackness will come out and we idiots don't want to see it come out if he gets the nomination or G-d forbid when he's president. We don't want to trade one duck for another one.
does this mean you would support richard nixon (ysv) over allen west?
of course nixon would be better, hes white, wes' be jus' anutha niggah eatin' his frah'd chick'n paid fo' bah dem cracka tax payr's,
theres legitimate areas where you can criticize cain: his lack of knowledge on the issues and lack of experience, his seeming unelectablity, and his involvement in the federal reserve.
his skin color, however, means nothing.
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I think we are getting off topic here. I don't think the skin color is relevant one way or another, especially since the opponent is black.
No matter who wins the primary, the general election is gonna be very close, all the polls point to this. The GOP is not gonna win by a landslide.
Because of this, I really want the safe candidate in this situation. Yes, I do prefer Cain's views over Romneys (only slightly). But Cain has proven himself to be ill-informed and more likely to gaffe, and there is too much to risk to gamble on this guy.
Once the undecided/independent voters start to see him gaffe, they may cringe and vote for Hussein.
I honestly think both candidates are very bad contenders, but I still think Romney has a better shot.
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I will say it again there is no black person as conservative as Cain pretends to be
Oh? Did God personally tell you this?
You are making some really stupid ontological claims here.
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First of all you have no credibility on any issue because you claim the land of Israel does not belong to the Jews even though G-d said so countless times in the Bible you profess to believe in. Second of all there is no reason why a black or other non-white person would be incapable of being a conservative. And unless you have some evidence to prove that, you are just screeching and squirming irrationally here. Irrational and illogical claims do not win an argument. In fact they offer nothing of value. So I suggest you show me evidence that Cain is fake or that any other politician should be taken at their word, but he shouldn't. Saying "his skin is black" doesn't cut it, clown.
If I have no credibility why are you even answering me?
I said the Jews are the keepers of the land, you want to put the word "own" in it, sorry but I don't believe anyone "owns" the holy land. There are Christian ties to the holy land also. I use the word "the Keepers" of the holy land, if it's owned who holds the deed to the property?, Was G_d the mortgage holder?
The problem is your liberalness is showing.
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Oh? Did G-d personally tell you this?
You are making some really stupid ontological claims here.
I see you want to be fooled again, I bet you voted for obama.
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I see you want to be fooled again, I bet you voted for obama.
:o
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does this mean you would support richard nixon (ysv) over allen west?
of course nixon would be better, hes white, wes' be jus' anutha niggah eatin' his frah'd chick'n paid fo' bah dem cracka tax payr's,
theres legitimate areas where you can criticize cain: his lack of knowledge on the issues and lack of experience, his seeming unelectablity, and his involvement in the federal reserve.
his skin color, however, means nothing.
So what you are saying is America and Israel have a better chance with a black man in the white house especially when you know most black people hate the Jews.
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After what these animals did to the Jewish people after the civil rights movement you are dam right we idiots are anti-Cain because he's black, there are very few that can be trusted when it comes to everyone's future. I will say it again there is no black person as conservative as Cain pretends to be and eventually his blackness will come out and we idiots don't want to see it come out if he gets the nomination or G-d forbid when he's president. We don't want to trade one duck for another one.
The word is damn, tuchiswipe.
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I see you want to be fooled again, I bet you voted for obama.
Go back to Pedofront.
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Hating Herman Cain simply because his skin is black makes you a low-IQ pedofront retard.
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Cain seems very likable and electable. And perhaps he could take a nice chunk of the black block vote like he says. I would support him.
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Cain seems very likable and electable. And perhaps he could take a nice chunk of the black block vote like he says. I would support him.
Blacks don't vote for black conservatives. The GOP thought they were going to be smart when they ran Keyes up against Obama to try to appeal to the black vote for a Senate seat.That was a total fail.
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Blacks don't vote for black conservatives. The GOP thought they were going to be smart when they ran Keyes up against Obama to try to appeal to the black vote for a Senate seat.That was a total fail.
How does that make Alan Keyes a bad person?
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I could give a [censored] if the majority of blacks vote for a turd sandwich. Cain looks like a decent guy and republicans should vote for him. The important part is democrats and republican establishment pigs are both lining up to promote Mitt Romney. That tells you Romney is a piece of [censored] and Cain is a good choice.
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Blacks don't vote for black conservatives. The GOP thought they were going to be smart when they ran Keyes up against Obama to try to appeal to the black vote for a Senate seat.That was a total fail.
Quite true.... The vast majority of blacks don't vote for black conservatives... If Cain is going to get anywhere it will have to be with the Republican base and the usual crossover moderate Democrat vote... I am not so sure the crossover will abandon their black man for another... If two black men are in the running in 2012 sad to say more than likely our sitting president will get another 4 years.
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I could give a drek if the majority of blacks vote for a turd sandwich. Cain looks like a decent guy and republicans should vote for him. The important part is democrats and republican establishment pigs are both lining up to promote Mitt Romney. That tells you Romney is a piece of drek and Cain is a good choice.
Republicans might vote for him and he could be the best choice in the world for them... It will be a far different picture in the general elections... The gloves come off with two black men facing off more over Cain will never survive the media onslaught... If the turd sandwich can win in the general election I will go with that... Decent does nothing for me I want someone that can close the deal.
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So what you are saying is America and Israel have a better chance with a black man in the white house especially when you know most black people hate the Jews.
yes, i am saying israel and america have a better chance with this particular black man in the white house.
the coon said it best
I could give a drek if the majority of blacks vote for a turd sandwich. Cain looks like a decent guy and republicans should vote for him. The important part is democrats and republican establishment pigs are both lining up to promote Mitt Romney. That tells you Romney is a piece of drek and Cain is a good choice.
9/11avenger also said it well
Go back to Pedofront.
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Those chunks of vacillating voters in the middle, who decide all the elections and who earlier voted for Ob and got nothing in return as promised, have reasons to be disillusioned now. This is evident from ever falling graphs of various popularity ratings.
Clearly such disillusioned voters in the middle have to vote for an alternative for the same reasons for which they earlier voted for Ob. Now as they have to look for an alternative, Cain2012 is the best alternative that differentiates himself from the crowds of other candidates. His so-called lack of experience is actually a boon in disguise, as in its absence he can be expected to be driven by his moral urge of righteousness.
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I see you want to be fooled again, I bet you voted for obama.
Bite your tongue, you animal. I did NOT vote for obama and I would NEVER vote for obama. What the hell would give you that idea? Do you pay attention to anything I write on the forum? Lol I made a JTF antiObama video in 2008 that got 10's of thousands of views.
But my opposition to obama has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his beliefs, philosophies, associations, and Jew-hatred.
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If I have no credibility why are you even answering me?
I said the Jews are the keepers of the land, you want to put the word "own" in it, sorry but I don't believe anyone "owns" the holy land. There are Christian ties to the holy land also. I use the word "the Keepers" of the holy land, if it's owned who holds the deed to the property?, Was G_d the mortgage holder?
The problem is your liberalness is showing.
LOL "keepers?" Keepers means its temporary, and just who are we "keeping" it for in your view? Oh that's right for Christians who will come and take it away because they have "ties" as you claim. This is such a sick antisemitic joke its not even funny. Did you ever try reading the Bible you claim to believe in? GOD DISAGREES WITH YOU. God says over and over again he promises to GIVE the land of Israel to the children of abraham isaac and jacob. Get a clue and stop coveting what belongs to the Jewish people.
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That is true.