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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on June 17, 2007, 02:09:08 AM
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Sick and tired of a certain poster...
>:(...and no, it isn't Tonycali (who at least is funny).
I am talking about, once more, our good friend, and Chaim's number-one fan, Hidden Author. Yet again we have an instigating post of his this week under the facade of "cynicism". Chaim was absolutely right when he pointed out how bogus HA's skepticism is--he never in the least seems to be cynical when it comes to Nazi accusations against Israel and JTF or when it comes to self-hating leftist Jew critiques of us, no matter how patently bogus.
Let's see the gem he's posted this week:
Let me explain my cynicism. I oppose Islam and think it is incredible that so many non-Muslims would go to such great lengths to whitewash it. So I would like to support Israel. Unfortunately it seems that Israel does not always support America.
The U.S.S. Liberty incident seems to be one such case. I would like to believe it was an accident but apparently the survivors have reason to believe it was deliberate. In a letter to skeptic Maury Bennett, U.S.S. Liberty survivor John Gidusko explained why he believed that the Israeli attack was deliberate:
(Here is an excerpt of Gidusko’s letter.)
1) You know what the ship looked like, Maury! A ten-year
old boy could have identified it. Israel couldn't?
2) The MTB's claim the attack stopped after the torpedo
hit and they identified the ship. A lie. They didn't.
3) They approached the ship to within 50 feet... and were
shooting at the sailors putting out fires and helping one
another for a full 40 minutes after the torpedo hit, and
4) Shooting up the life rafts that were put in the water.
5) Many have read the stuff at NSA of the ATTACKING planes
which included the sighting of the American flag. NSA
did NOT release those documents, Maury. Only the copters
AFTER the attack.
6) Up until now the Israeli story was that the attacking
pilots claimed there was no flag on the ship, the MTBs
said there was none... and now with the NSA transcript,
we see the copter SAW the American flag right away.
Who's lying?
7) Worst of all -- the U.S. government cover-up of the
incident. Our government turned its back on the survivors,
and you too Maury! Most of the survivors do not wish to
accept this lying down.
Then there is the Lavon Affair. If you do not know what the Affair was about, ask me and I will comment about it for next week's JTF. Thanks for answering my questions!
Hidden Author
Jimmy, Yacov, Jeffguy, there's more than enough evidence that he is a troll to convict. He sets himself up as an authority figure ("ask me about the Lavon Affair"), continuously belittles Chaim and the organization in general, demonstrates an obvious axe to grind (against Israel and JTF), attempts to divide and conquer (by trying, as in this case, to pit Americans and Israelis/Jews against each other), and at times resorts to flat-out insults and obscenities (when he mentioned performing fellatio on Chaim). (Note: I don't think Chaim was aware of that little beauty at all.)
He is playing a game with us, trying to work the system (and succeeding thus far). I know you all think the same of Tonycali, and perhaps you are right, but so far Tonycali isn't insulting us or spreading Nazi propaganda.
Chaimfan
PS: My guess, from his general topics and style of writing, is that HA is NOT a self-hating Jew, but either a white supremacist anti-Semite of the Ron Paul ilk or a Muslim. The Liberty "incident" is a favorite among white Nazi propagandists. It is very seldom used by self-hating Jewish Nazis.
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Ron Paul ilk is my guess. How disgusting. I give it he'll have one more day here, and say something so Nazi like (show his true colors) that he'll be banned for good.
I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking StørmFrønt. And I think he showed his true colors with his first post.
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He did start posting at around the same time as Din Rodent and FruitTyper, come to think of it.
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LOL, I didn't time my watch to them. I don't necessarily think he IS one of them--he could be a buddy of theirs from SF or whatever other degenerate forum homosexual Nazis frequent.
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Just reading the stuff HIDDENAUTHOR writes is laden with Nazi type propaganda. I do think he is a Nazi. But I do suggest this, let him ride for a little bit more. Anymore of his lies axe him.
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Just reading the stuff HIDDENAUTHOR writes is laden with Nazi type propaganda. I do think he is a Nazi. But I do suggest this, let him ride for a little bit more. Anymore of his lies axe him.
Its a waste of time to 'ask' him anything. ;)
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He might be an anti-Semite or a conspiracy theory nutcase, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a StørmFrønt white nationalist Nazi. White nationalists, at least the ones I've met never talk about Islam and how evil it is, because they insanely direct all their anger out at Jews. It doesn't seem like they would ally themselves with Jews on ANY issue, even if it endangers their very survival. I put a post on StørmFrønt once about how evil Islam is, and it wasn't even allowed to be put on the forum. People believe all sorts of conspiracy theories, I even know a Jewish guy who believes in the 9/11 conspiracy theory, which is a favorite of anti-Semites.
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Another Din Rodef to deal with.
Doesn't "Rodef" mean a pursuer of Jewish life, why would we have allowed a single post from someone with that name?
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Get rid of him. He just distracts us from more important issues. There are plenty of Muslims and nazis on youtube and we don't need them here.
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I'd say not at the moment, we have to tolerate people disagreeing with us.
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Not sure so not voting at this time
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I'd say not at the moment, we have to tolerate people disagreeing with us.
Agreed
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Why don't we all PM him and ask him what his problem is?
After all, he seems to have made up his mind about Israel, so why even bother posting here, right? I think I'll PM him.
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OK folks, I just PM'd Hidden Author. Here's what I wrote:
Dear Hidden Author,
Regarding your most recent question to Chaim, in what way are you a "cynic?" You certainly don't sound that way when it comes to Israel. In fact, it seems like you already have your mind made up about Israel and JTF, so why do you even bother posting here?
No one is stopping you from supporting goat fornicators and pick fellators over a civilized (although not perfect) Western style democracy. So if you really want to side with people who danced in the streets the day America was attacked, go ahead.
Lisa
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You know where I stand on him, but I never vote in my own polls. (Well, it isn't really my poll, but it is my thread.)
HA very rarely discusses Islam, actually. When he does, it's almost always to provide some cover for another gem he is coming up with. Rodef actually did appear to condemn Islam from time to time too as I recall.
I still say this turd is a white nationalist, or at the very least an anti-Semitic "truther".
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"...a white nationalist, or at the very least an anti-Semitic "truther..."
Maybe even a "Jew", or "pro-semitic truther"!
Rest assured, when a jerkoff poster "demands" an answer to the "Liberty incident", they are a StørmFrønt Pro-Nazi member.
Perhaps there are posters here with no knowledge whatsoever of the "Liberty incident", and somehow believe that those in the 9/11 Truth Movement today are fanatically demanding an explanation of the events of June 1967 from "Jew"!
p.s.--Please answer the following question:
If the families of the victims of 9/11, as official members of the U.S. 9/11 Commision, are convinced that they remain deceived by their own government, and are convinced that their most serious demands for answers as to the truth of what happened to their loved ones and our country have been crassly disregarded, then what is it that makes you convinced that you are in possession of the complete unadulterated truth and that any documentable facts and figures to the contrary make absolutely no difference to your preconceived irrational opinions?
I'm sure my question will be met with personal attacks and more name calling, because those suffering with cognitive disassociative disorder here on this forum would prefer to mask their syndrome with an "in your face" phony patriotism.
"Once your mind is already made up, why bother with any facts?"
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Another Din Rodef to deal with.
Doesn't "Rodef" mean a pursuer of Jewish life, why would we have allowed a single post from someone with that name?
Yes it does. But "Din Rodef" means "law of the persuer," so the name was ambigious, until we later realized that it was referring to us.
I'd say not at the moment, we have to tolerate people disagreeing with us.
Yes, but let's say a new user came on the forum and said that about Israel. Would we award him the same toleration, or would we ban him as a SF infiltrator?
We would allow Chaim to take him on and all the challenges he throws at him.
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If he is banned we should also ban idiots who get off making racist comments.
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OK folks, I just PM'd Hidden Author. Here's what I wrote:
Dear Hidden Author,
Regarding your most recent question to Chaim, in what way are you a "cynic?" You certainly don't sound that way when it comes to Israel. In fact, it seems like you already have your mind made up about Israel and JTF, so why do you even bother posting here?
No one is stopping you from supporting goat fornicators and pick fellators over a civilized (although not perfect) Western style democracy. So if you really want to side with people who danced in the streets the day America was attacked, go ahead.
Lisa
Here's the reply I sent to Lisa.
It isn't just Nazis who talk about the U.S.S. Liberty. The survivors also talk about it--are they Nazis too? Let me tell you how I operate. When talking to Zionists, I'll confront them with anti-Zionist arguments to see if they can refute such arguments. When talking to anti-Zionists, I'll confront them with Zionist arguments to see if they can refute such arguments. That way I can weigh the validity of each side's arguments instead of blindly accepting propaganda. So if I seem like an anti-Zionist, then it's because I'm on a Zionist forum. In fact, I think I may have made a mistake in calling myself "Hidden Author"; perhaps I should have called myself "Devil's Advocate"!
P.S. If any of you wish to interpret my message as a "confession" that I am a "Satanist", then think again. "Devil's Advocate" is "a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination" as defined by http://dictionary.reference.com (http://dictionary.reference.com).
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Sick and tired of a certain poster...
Hello ChaimFan, and good day to you.
Unfortunately your own personal dislike of a particular poster isn't grounds for banishment from this forum, and I point you to our forum rules as a guideline for what is appropriate here. Please click this link http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=441.0 (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=441.0) and review our guidelines (pay particular attention to rules #3 and #4). If you care to cite specific examples of Hidden Author breaking any of our rules, feel free to cite them. I personally have seen none.
With kindest regards until Shiloh comes,
Christopher
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Christopher, I will stop talking about this but I think the nature of HA's posts is extremely obvious.
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Yes, and I started it.
After hearing Chaim's show and after all the chaos that was started by this poster, I have told the moderators and administrators that he should be banned. You are all 100% correct.
I'm trying to be diplomatic about this out of my deep respect for the amazing moderators and administrators we have on this forum.
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Thank you jeffguy for banning him. I thought he would die down a bit, but after the last Ask JTF where he says Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty during the Six day war was outrageous. That is one of the oldest Nazi propaganda lies against little Israel. So I think he stepped over the line that time.
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"...he says Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty during the Six day war..."
It very well could be true.
Whom among us actually knows everything which took place during that war?
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Is this a joke?
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"...he says Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty during the Six day war..."
It very well could be true.
Whom among us actually knows everything which took place during that war?
Massuh, I am losing respect for you extremely quickly. First your promotion of an obviously anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, and now this crap?
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Oh, and by the way, thank you, Jeffguy.
And also by the way, judging by the absolute lack of information anywhere on the Liberty "incident" outside of obvious Nazi propaganda sources, I am doubting that it ever happened. It could easily be an elaborate hoax to frame the Jews yet again--it isn't like that hasn't happened before this century. Fifty bucks says that John Gidusko freak is a paid Saudi or Arafatan agent.
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Book debunking the the Liberty incident by former Navy Avaiator http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20021101fabook10027/a-jay-cristol/the-liberty-incident-the-1967-israeli-attack-on-the-u-s-navy-spy-ship.html
you can search the web and see how he takes apart the conspiricy that Israel attacked the Liberty intententionally
http://www.libertyincident.com/book.html
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I don't think it even happened at all. How difficult would it be to find a handful of flaming anti-Semites in the U.S. Navy (spp spp, the military is loaded with them!) who, for a couple of thousand dollars, would be willing to go around hawking a blood libel to any idiot with an open eargina?
Wake up, everyone. The Liberty incident is a modern-day Protocol. Nothing took place.
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But it did happen if you read this RET. naval avaitor you will see it was an accident
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Even then I am not convinced. These anti-Semitic conspiracies can be pretty intricate and detailed. It's not at all inconceivable that the ruse employs certain "straight guys" to make the claim look halfways credible (i.e. "respected" authorities who claim that it did exist, but was an accident).
That way, once it is a done deal that the people all think that it DID happen, it is very easy then to implant the idea that it was intentional.
I say b.s. to all of it.
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I don't think it even happened at all. How difficult would it be to find a handful of flaming anti-Semites in the U.S. Navy (spp spp, the military is loaded with them!) who, for a couple of thousand dollars, would be willing to go around hawking a blood libel to any idiot with an open eargina?
Wake up, everyone. The Liberty incident is a modern-day Protocol. Nothing took place.
I usually agree with you 99.999% of the time, but this really happened. It was not intentional and clearly a tragic accident. Nothing more, nothing less.
BTW, Hidden Author is such an obvious anti-Semite who cloaks himself in all of this psuedo-intellectual babble.
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I usually agree with you 99.999% of the time, but this really happened. It was not intentional and clearly a tragic accident. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yirmi, the whole world will stop at nothing to frame Jews and make them look like the villain. Why don't you think it could be a fraud?
Who do you EVER hear discussing the Liberty event or giving "facts" about it besides Nazis?
Please... do tell me.
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I usually agree with you 99.999% of the time, but this really happened. It was not intentional and clearly a tragic accident. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yirmi, the whole world will stop at nothing to frame Jews and make them look like the villain. Why don't you think it could be a fraud?
Who do you EVER hear discussing the Liberty event or giving "facts" about it besides Nazis?
Please... do tell me.
Did you click the link provided by Mord?
http://www.libertyincident.com/index.html
To say it never happened would border on the delusional. To claim that Israel deliberately and knowingly attacked a U.S. ship and constantly dwell on it is indeed B.S. and what Nazis and Jew-haters do.
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There have been numorous papers made by the US ans Israel debunking that the Israelis bombed the USS Liberty intentionally. Also, wiki the USS Liberty. On the links you can find audio recordings of what the Israeli pilots say. You gotta know Hebrew though. Then again it is edited heavily. So it might not be as accurate.
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"...he says Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty during the Six day war..."
It very well could be true.
Whom among us actually knows everything which took place during that war?
Massuh, are you serious? Have you lost your mind? This really pains me to see this...
Did you even listen to the show this week? Did you hear the part where Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage? I hope you weren't serious and that you clarify your statement.
cosmokramer, Hidden Author isn't banned YET. I probably wasn't clear with my post.
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"...Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage?..."
I agree with Chaim.
That's why I don't have to clarify my statement at all, to you or anyone else, because my statement is "It could very well be true."
This exact situation, jeffguy; that of your audacity in "calling MassuhD to the carpet and demanding an explanation", is a classic case of cognitive disassociation syndrome:
I write the words "it could very well be true", but others read those exact words and in their brain understood only the words they had already preconceived and wanted to hear; and their warped translation bears no relationship whatsoever to the actual words I wrote.
I've read numerous and varying accounts of the situation, including that written by Barry Chamish.
I've also listened to numerous live interviews, ranging from those people claiming to be actual survivors of the attacked ship, to Israelis claiming all kinds of things about the situation, to a "sound recording; supposedly from the cockpit radio of one Israeli fighter pilot carrying out the attack" which miraculously surfaced in Washington a few years ago which immediately followed Israel signing on to another provision of a suicide treaty.
I've read Barry Chamish's journal report on the matter.
To date, the only thing I know for a fact regarding The LIBERTY incident, is that...
a) an attack on the USS LIBERTY happened, Israeli warplanes doing the attack, and
b) Jew-haters and false patriot types bring up the subject first, foremost, always, and to the exclusion of any other subject relating to Jews, as an idictment of ALL Jews.
MassuhDGoodName?...
HE believes only in Ha'Shem; all the rest he needs documentable and incontrovertible proof in order to believe.
Want to ban me?
Go ahead and do it.
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So Massuh, why then would Israel deliberately attack her only ally in the world? It doesn't make any sense.
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Yeah, Massuh, inquiring minds want to know why you are indulging this satanic nonsense.
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"...Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage?..."
I agree with Chaim.
That's why I DON'T HAVE TO CLARIFY MY STATEMENT at all, to you or anyone else, because my statement is "It could very well be true."
This exact situation, jeffguy; that of your audacity in "calling MassuhD to the carpet and demanding an explanation", is a classic case of cognitive disassociation syndrome:
I write the words "it could very well be true", but others read those exact words and in their brain understood only the words they had already preconceived and wanted to hear; and their warped translation bears no relationship whatsoever to the actual words I wrote.
I've read numerous and varying accounts of the situation, including that written by Barry Chamish.
I've also listened to numerous live interviews, ranging from those people claiming to be actual survivors of the attacked ship, to Israelis claiming all kinds of things about the situation, to a "sound recording; supposedly from the cockpit radio of one Israeli fighter pilot carrying out the attack" which miraculously surfaced in Washington a few years ago which immediately followed Israel signing on to another provision of a suicide treaty.
I've read Barry Chamish's journal report on the matter.
To date, the only thing I know for a fact regarding The LIBERTY incident, is that...
a) an attack on the USS LIBERTY happened, Israeli warplanes doing the attack, and
b) Jew-haters and false patriot types bring up the subject first, foremost, always, and to the exclusion of any other subject relating to Jews, as an idictment of ALL Jews.
Thanks for clarifying your statement Massuh. :laugh:
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OK then, if he is not banned yet, I would like to respectfully request that he is.
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First lets all skewer H.A. verbally, then we'll ban him.
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"...Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage?..."
I agree with Chaim.
That's why I don't have to clarify my statement at all, to you or anyone else, because my statement is "It could very well be true."
This exact situation, jeffguy; that of your audacity in "calling MassuhD to the carpet and demanding an explanation", is a classic case of cognitive disassociation syndrome:
I write the words "it could very well be true", but others read those exact words and in their brain understood only the words they had already preconceived and wanted to hear; and their warped translation bears no relationship whatsoever to the actual words I wrote.
I've read numerous and varying accounts of the situation, including that written by Barry Chamish.
I've also listened to numerous live interviews, ranging from those people claiming to be actual survivors of the attacked ship, to Israelis claiming all kinds of things about the situation, to a "sound recording; supposedly from the cockpit radio of one Israeli fighter pilot carrying out the attack" which miraculously surfaced in Washington a few years ago which immediately followed Israel signing on to another provision of a suicide treaty.
I've read Barry Chamish's journal report on the matter.
To date, the only thing I know for a fact regarding The LIBERTY incident, is that...
a) an attack on the USS LIBERTY happened, Israeli warplanes doing the attack, and
b) Jew-haters and false patriot types bring up the subject first, foremost, always, and to the exclusion of any other subject relating to Jews, as an idictment of ALL Jews.
MassuhDGoodName?...
HE believes only in Ha'Shem; all the rest he needs documentable and incontrovertible proof in order to believe.
Want to ban me?
Go ahead and do it.
#1) MassuhD, you are not above "calling to the carpet". Your temper has got the best of you and you have gotten more vicious and angry each day. Kindness, MassuhD is what Ha'Shem calls for... not joking about sick garbage... not making fun of our fellow members... and not broadly diagnosing the members over the internet with a syndrome that licensed doctors should only diagnose. I think it's silly that you think such a huge percentage of the members have the same mental disorder and this does not help JTF.
#2) If these outbursts (like calling Rabbi Kahane a terrorist and a racist, G-d forbid) are some twisted form of humor, then perhaps you should consider whether you are actually making a contribution to this forum and if you actually think you are somehow above the other members. Personally, your arrogance is a problem and your comments have been harmful. I'm not so sure this is where you belong at this point.
#3) Barry Chamish is a crazy person. He is not someone you should get all your information from. He, definitely, does not carry this "documentable and incontrovertible proof" you desire.
#4) You have brought up the word "ban" several times now. I have never said anything about banning you. I even privately emailed you to see if there was something wrong or something I could fix for you. I have gone out of my way for you, MassuhD, and you are still being hateful and egotistical. I have a feeling you want to be banned and this is your way of pushing the line so you don't actually have to "make the choice" of leaving. What you are doing is unfortunate and people are losing respect for you.
I never thought I'd see this day. You are leaving me no other option. This is an official warning. I hope you have a change of heart.
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First lets all skewer H.A. verbally, then we'll ban him.
OK, would I have permission to make a poll about him?
I promise it will be clean--this time. ;)
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jeffguy accuses MassuhDGoodName of the following:
"...like calling Rabbi Kahane a terrorist and a racist, G-d forbid)"
OK BIGSHOT ADMINISTRATOR: I"M CALLING YOU ON THE CARPET.
I NEVER EVER IN MY LIFE WROTE OR SPOKE SUCH A STATEMENT.
I DARE YOU IN FRONT OF ALL HERE TO PROVE THAT I DID...
EITHER YOU ADMIT THAT YOU'RE WRONG, OR YOU'RE A LIAR.
AND THEN I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT YOU YOURSELF FOR SOME REASON WANT ME OFF THIS FORUM VERY VERY BADLY.
MASSUHDGOODNAME
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jeffguy threatens MassuhD with more innuendos & lies:
I never thought I'd see this day. You are leaving me no other option. This is an official warning. I hope you have a change of heart.
YOU CAN GO SCREW YOURSELF JEFFGUY!
YOU'RE A FRAUD AND FIRST-CLASS PHONY, AS WELL AS A CONTEMPTIBLE LIAR WITH SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS.
signed,
MassuhDGoodName
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Here is the post.
re: "...and only a minority are performed by the Arabs, whose attacks he justifies by the way, Israel was involved in 9/11. These claims dont strike you as anti-Semitic?..."
The flawed thinking of those who immediately "call names" at both anyone investigating complex events in an attempt to determine the truth follows this pattern:
a. Alex Jones is a loudmouthed "Professional Patriot" and "Professional Conspiracy Theorist" who prints anything without subjecting it to documentable scrutiny, and Alex Jones not only does not share a "Jewish World View", but makes statements so ignorant that for all practical purposes he appears to be an Anti-Jew.
c. Therefore, if anyone investigating any and all sources of documentation to find out what happened to allow 9/11 to occur, has determined that the Official 9/11 Commission reveals many of the exact facts and circumstances which can be found on the websites of Alex Jones and thousands of others unassociated with him;
d. It is therefore only logical and true that THE OFFICIAL 9/11 COMMISSION is a pack of lies and Jew-hatred and Anti-Semitism printed by a bunch of "Conspiracy Theorist 9/11 Truthers and Nazis", because only "scum like that" would agree with so much as even one word which Alex Jones has ever spoken or printed.
THIS IS THE TERRIBLY ILLOGICAL AND FLAWED THINKING OF ALL TOO MANY ON THIS FORUM.
Kahane was a terrorist and a racist.
I know so because the U.S. State Dept. and Southern Poverty Law Center say so.
Therefore, if you are reading this YOU also are a racist and terrorist.
Case closed.
That's all.
If you disagree you should die of cancer.
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Massuh, you are playing exactly into Hidden Faggot's hands.
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Looks like Jeffguy proved his point about you calling Rabbi Kahane a terrorist.
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I bet HF is looking at what this thread has become and is just laughing hysterically.
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I am very sad to do this but, MassuhDGoodName, you have been placed on a temporary one week ban. I can't allow behavior like this in the forum from anyone.