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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: briann on October 14, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
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I figured this should be its own topic... since it needs to be dealt as its own issue... and I don't want to just focus on Jbeige, since he decided to leave the forum on his own, and thats fine.
Although this forum should NOT be a race based forum, one of its draws is that it allows members to escape the P.C. world. (as Bullcat says). THis allows members such as Chinesekahanist, Rubystars, bullcat3, cjd, myself, etc etc like to mix in generalizations about blacks with our posts.
But recently, many new members who say VERY similar things to what we say all the time, are being called Nazis, stormfronters, pedophiles, etc. We don't do this for veteran members, and we SHOULDNT do it for new members either.
Based upon this standard, if some of our best members were to join today, they would all be ridiculed and called Nazis and be told to go to StørmFrønt.
Every time ChineseKahanist called a black person a monkey, we would tell him to go StørmFrønt!!
Every time Rubystars says blacks should not intermarry, we would tell her to got StørmFrønt!!
Every time I say blacks are more violent, you would tell me to go to StørmFrønt!
Get the point? That being said, my favorite mainstream political commentator is Larry Elders, and I DO prefer Cain's politics to Romneys (I just think Romney has a better chance against Obama and dont want to gamble). But I DO try to avoid black doctors, and I do lock my door when Im driving through black neighborhoods. Does that make me a stormfronter?
Also, I hate the term Nazis and stromfronters to be trivialized. Unless people show that they hate Jews, its really annoying, especially to us Jews, to see others trivialize the use of these terms. I consider myself somewhat thick-skinned, but this is one of my absolute pet-peeves so I gotta speak up on it.
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I figured this should be its own topic... since it needs to be dealt as its own issue... and I don't want to just focus on Jbeige, since he decided to leave the forum on his own, and thats fine.
Although this forum should NOT be a race based forum, one of its draws is that it allows members to escape the P.C. world. (as Bullcat says). THis allows members such as Chinesekahanist, Rubystars, bullcat3, cjd, myself, etc etc like to mix in generalizations about blacks with our posts.
But recently, many new members who say VERY similar things to what we say all the time, are being called Nazis, stormfronters, pedophiles, etc. We don't do this for veteran members, and we SHOULDNT do it for new members either.
Based upon this standard, if some of our best members were to join today, they would all be ridiculed and called Nazis and be told to go to StørmFrønt.
Every time ChineseKahanist called a black person a monkey, we would tell him to go StørmFrønt!!
Every time Rubystars says blacks should not intermarry, we would tell her to got StørmFrønt!!
Every time I say blacks are more violent, you would tell me to go to StørmFrønt!
Get the point? That being said, my favorite mainstream political commentator is Larry Elders, and I DO prefer Cain's politics to Romneys (I just think Romney has a better chance against Obama and dont want to gamble). But I DO try to avoid black doctors, and I do lock my door when Im driving through black neighborhoods. Does that make me a stormfronter?
Also, I hate the term Nazis and stromfronters to be trivialized. Unless people show that they hate Jews, its really annoying, especially to us Jews, to see others trivialize the use of these terms. I consider myself somewhat thick-skinned, but this is one of my absolute pet-peeves so I gotta speak up on it.
I'll tell you, at first, jbiege didn't seem to anything bad to me when he first joined. He did say and believe in things that I wholeheartedly disagreed with, but it was simply just his opinion.
There are some people who come here and say things like jbiege who are new. I don't approve of the wording. It's not that I want JTF to only look respectable..I want some of us who have short tempers or unable to express ourselves intelligently to learn how to do it. If I didn't know any better before I joined JTF, I would have been afraid to admit that I didn't trust blacks because of the racism stigma attached to that. But I understand why I sometimes don't trust them. It's not because they are black. It's because of the culture that many blacks belong to. Therefore, it's not racism if it isn't genetic. I think the majority of people, if they allowed themselves to feel that way, would agree with this and realize that not trusting blacks, for example, is because of the behavior that the majority DO and not the genetics. The ones who don't trust all blacks (because of their genetic make up) are the storm fronters. Some people who prescribe to my point of view of not trusting blacks because of culture, need to be able to articulate it in this manner..especially newbees. Bottom line, before we attack them and call them names, we need to ask them what they mean.
And some of the long time JTFers who could come off to be misunderstood and seen as racists, see it like I do too. They don't care about skin color. It's the behavior that bothers them.
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Briann--how many of the people you mentioned get attacked for their views? Who is flaming you or Rubystars or cjd?
Did you see how jbeige went about stating his views? Do you really think nobody is going to raise their eyebrows at such statements as "no matter how good Cain talks his blackness will come out" or "Jews are merely the keepers of the land, it belongs to Christians"?
Do you and Rubystars and bullcat say dreck like that?
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jbeige made it seem like skin color is his determining factor, i.e. as if its genetic.
there is a line between criticizing culture and being a racist, it seems like jbeige crossed it.
I am quite less critical of blacks than most of jtf, but i never call critics of culture stormfronters.
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jbeige made it seem like skin color is his determining factor, i.e. as if its genetic.
there is a line between criticizing culture and being a racist, it seems like jbeige crossed it.
I am quite less critical of blacks than most of jtf, but i never call critics of culture stormfronters.
well said
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Not that it would necessarily be the worst thing in the world if he did think there was something genetic going on with the behavioral tendencies of blacks in addition to cultural factors. He would just be likely incorrect. We know that persecution and genocides can be and have been rationalized on purely cultural and religious grounds.
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Not that it would necessarily be the worst thing in the world if he did think there was something genetic going on with the behavioral tendencies of blacks in addition to cultural factors. He would just be likely incorrect. We know that genocides can be and have been justified on purely cultural and religious grounds.
My motto is that everybody as free will. Some have more difficulty making right decisions than others because of cultural and genetic tendencies. But that doesn't excuse bad behavior.
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Briann--how many of the people you mentioned get attacked for their views? Who is flaming you or Rubystars or cjd?
Did you see how jbeige went about stating his views? Do you really think nobody is going to raise their eyebrows at such statements as "no matter how good Cain talks his blackness will come out" or "Jews are merely the keepers of the land, it belongs to Christians"?
Do you and Rubystars and bullcat say dreck like that?
WHAT??? I read through his posts and he didnt say that. He just didnt like the term, 'own' he prefered the term 'keepers' as it sounds more appropriate for the holyland And thats the WORST YOU CAN COME UP WITH??? That is deserving of calling somone a NAZI???? a Stormfronter??? a homosexual??? a pedophile???
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I don't think I noticed a move to PC in the forum. The only thing is Chaim decided to stop with the affirmative action stories on his "ask JTF" program and that's his choice after all. I think people can speak here their mind and that includes both expressing un-PC opinions and humor and also expressing disagreement on such cases.
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I don't think I noticed a move to PC in the forum. The only thing is Chaim decided to stop with the affirmative action stories on his "ask JTF" program and that's his choice after all. I think people can speak here their mind and that includes both expressing un-PC opinions and humor and also expressing disagreement on such cases.
Well said Zelhar. Calling people jew haters and nazis because they generailze blacks will KILL THIS FORUM... if you want to tell them you dont agree, thats fine... but dont use these terms.
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jbeige made it seem like skin color is his determining factor, i.e. as if its genetic.
there is a line between criticizing culture and being a racist, it seems like jbeige crossed it.
I am quite less critical of blacks than most of jtf, but i never call critics of culture stormfronters.
Beleive it or not Meerkat, it wasnt 911avenger's comments that disturbed me the most, it was yours. 911avenger has some justification, although I dont agree with it. But your jjustification, would also apply to many members here.
TO prove my point, What is worse or more racist to you?:
Blacks are monkeys and we shouldnt interbreed with non-blacks.
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We shouldnt vote for a black candidate, because they are all jew-haters and are only candidates because of affirmative action.(said by Jbeige)
The answer should be.... They both are racist.... BUT, the top comments are often said by many great members here.
But we dont call them stormfronters because we reserve this term for the most disgusting jew-hating vermin.
I respect that you dont agree with them... thats fine. I also respect all sorts of viewpoints on this forum. But Using stormfronters to describe people on this forum like this is crossing the line since it makes many of our longtime members feel very uncomfortable and unwanted. If you dont beleive me, read their comments.
That doesnt mean I dont want you to continue to have the opinions you have... all I am saying is not to use those terms unless you know the person is a jew hater. Just say you think racism is wrong and I wont say anything, I may even agree with you from time to time.
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I'm steering clear. I don't attack anyone.
Sarcastic? Mucho.
Oppugnare? Nullum.
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jbeige posted something which disturbed me in the Jewish singles section... He mocked religious people and Judaism calling those who abstain from sexual relations 'in the stone age' and 'insane'... I cannot consider jbeige a good JTF member as a result...
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Beleive it or not Meerkat, it wasnt 911avenger's comments that disturbed me the most, it was yours. 911avenger has some justification, although I dont agree with it. But your jjustification, would also apply to many members here.
TO prove my point, What is worse or more racist to you?:
Blacks are monkeys and we shouldnt interbreed with non-blacks.
or
We shouldnt vote for a black candidate, because they are all jew-haters and are only candidates because of affirmative action.(said by Jbeige)
The answer should be.... They both are racist.... BUT, the top comments are often said by many great members here.
But we dont call them stormfronters because we reserve this term for the most disgusting jew-hating vermin.
I respect that you dont agree with them... thats fine. I also respect all sorts of viewpoints on this forum. But Using stormfronters to describe people on this forum like this is crossing the line since it makes many of our longtime members feel very uncomfortable and unwanted. If you dont beleive me, read their comments.
That doesnt mean I dont want you to continue to have the opinions you have... all I am saying is not to use those terms unless you know the person is a jew hater. Just say you think racism is wrong and I wont say anything, I may even agree with you from time to time.
:laugh: The black people are monkeys comment is still funny when we say it about the most disgusting Jew-hating vermin.
but in all seriousness, both lines are not racist.. Just one of is.. The other one is an inaccurate comment stating that "ALL blacks are anti-semitic etc etc." My advice to JTFers is that if you want to be effective and influential, you shouldn't say, "ALL" and other extreme words when referring to certain groups of people. Use words like "MOST" or "FEW". Far more effective in changing hearts or at least, getting respect.
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jbeige posted something which disturbed me in the Jewish singles section... He mocked religious people and Judaism calling those who abstain from sexual relations 'in the stone age' and 'insane'... I cannot consider jbeige a good JTF member as a result...
I did not know that.
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You know many of us like Colonel Allen West i think hes great, and Hermann Cain seems like a great guy a religious man who at first said no muslims in the cabinet i would vote for him.Understand this the pedofronters would vote for a muslim Jew hater before a righteous Black.I'll stick with a righteous Black anytime over a qurananimal loving pedofronter
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jbeige posted something which disturbed me in the Jewish singles section... He mocked religious people and Judaism calling those who abstain from sexual relations 'in the stone age' and 'insane'... I cannot consider jbeige a good JTF member as a result...
Muman, I wish you told me about it when it happened. I would have done something about it.
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You know many of us like Colonel Allen West i think hes great, and Hermann Cain seems like a great guy a religious man who at first said no muslims in the cabinet i would vote for him.Understand this the pedofronters would vote for a muslim Jew hater before a righteous Black.I'll stick with a righteous Black anytime over a qurananimal loving pedofronter
I don't know why some longtime members of our forum (they know who they are) have such a hard time grasping such a basic principle of JTF and common sense.
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jbeige posted something which disturbed me in the Jewish singles section... He mocked religious people and Judaism calling those who abstain from sexual relations 'in the stone age' and 'insane'... I cannot consider jbeige a good JTF member as a result...
I understand that Muman. I was reading through his posts, and that one stuck out as the most offensive, especially to the many religious members here. If you want to ban him or whatever because of this alone, I honestly can understand as it is crossing the line. Muman, you must know that I do everything to keep the more secular members here from offending the religious ones. Its one of the more significant infractions.
HOWEVER, I was actually more focused on the stormfronter name-calling. I think it did a HUGE amount of damage to the forum... not to everyone, but to a handful of longtime members who believe that a precedent has been set: people who are racist or prejudice on this forum will now be refered to as stormfronters.
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HOWEVER, I was actually more focused on the stormfronter name-calling. I think it did a HUGE amount of damage to the forum... not to everyone, but to a handful of longtime members who believe that a precedent has been set: people who are racist or prejudice on this forum will now be refered to as stormfronters.
There are a few members here, who know who they are, that completely have blinders on for any member that is anti-black--be it Johnson Brown, Americanhero, or anyone else similar to them.
Time and time again these members have been proven to be Nazi trolls and yet these individuals continue to keep their head in the sand.
I'd like to see them give an account and defense for themselves.
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:laugh: The black people are monkeys comment is still funny when we say it about the most disgusting Jew-hating vermin.
but in all seriousness, both lines are not racist.. Just one of is.. The other one is an inaccurate comment stating that "ALL blacks are anti-semitic etc etc." My advice to JTFers is that if you want to be effective and influential, you shouldn't say, "ALL" and other extreme words when referring to certain groups of people. Use words like "MOST" or "FEW". Far more effective in changing hearts or at least, getting respect.
I concur. Again, I go back to Larry Elders, who is VERY pro-jewish and a great all-around guy.
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I just want to make it clear that I don't think blacks are monkeys, but I do laugh sometimes when a particularly evil person is compared to a monkey, like Obama. Blacks are human beings with a human soul who need to answer to God the same that we do, and being black doesn't automatically make an individual any less righteous or any less intelligent. I've known many decent black people who would NOT deserve to be called a monkey.
I don't think whites should intermarry mostly for the fact that whites are declining both in numbers and as a percentage of the world population and a percentage of the USA population. It's not like it was a few centuries ago where there were more whites and a larger percentage of whites and the white race could afford to have that happen more often.
There is also the issue of children's identity. One girl I work with desperately wants to be white, and has talked about how she's passed for white in the past. She's a very dilute black with a lot of white blood. This has caused a lot of emotional things for her which I think spills over into how she interacts with other people and she's less happy than she would be if she were completely black or completely white.
I think teaching someone about their own heritage, no matter who they are, can be a source of self-esteem and give someone a grounded feeling, a sense of belonging. This is more difficult when someone's parents come from cultures that are very different.
Also I think grandchildren should generally look like their grandparents.
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There are a few members here, who know who they are, that completely have blinders on for any member that is anti-black--be it Johnson Brown, Americanhero, or anyone else similar to them.
Time and time again these members have been proven to be Nazi trolls and yet these individuals continue to keep their head in the sand.
I'd like to see them give an account and defense for themselves.
Thats not always the case. Again, do you think Rubystars, chinese Kahanist, CJD, or I am a Nazi Troll?
Why dont we just start calling them Stormfronters and tell them to leave the forum now.
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I just want to make it clear that I don't think blacks are monkeys, but I do laugh sometimes when a particularly evil person is compared to a monkey, like Obama. Blacks are human beings with a human soul who need to answer to G-d the same that we do, and being black doesn't automatically make an individual any less righteous or any less intelligent. I've known many decent black people who would NOT deserve to be called a monkey.
I don't think whites should intermarry mostly for the fact that whites are declining both in numbers and as a percentage of the world population and a percentage of the USA population. It's not like it was a few centuries ago where there were more whites and a larger percentage of whites and the white race could afford to have that happen more often.
There is also the issue of children's identity. One girl I work with desperately wants to be white, and has talked about how she's passed for white in the past. She's a very dilute black with a lot of white blood. This has caused a lot of emotional things for her which I think spills over into how she interacts with other people and she's less happy than she would be if she were completely black or completely white.
I think teaching someone about their own heritage, no matter who they are, can be a source of self-esteem and give someone a grounded feeling, a sense of belonging. This is more difficult when someone's parents come from cultures that are very different.
Also I think grandchildren should generally look like their grandparents.
Rubystars, everyone knows what your opinions are. Some people differ with them but tell me--how often have you been flamed or called a Nazi because of it?
There is a difference between generally having a cynical attitude towards blacks, or thinking the races should stay separate, and using Nazi WN rhetoric about blacks, Jews, and religious people.
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I just want to make it clear that I don't think blacks are monkeys, but I do laugh sometimes when a particularly evil person is compared to a monkey, like Obama. Blacks are human beings with a human soul who need to answer to G-d the same that we do, and being black doesn't automatically make an individual any less righteous or any less intelligent. I've known many decent black people who would NOT deserve to be called a monkey.
I don't think whites should intermarry mostly for the fact that whites are declining both in numbers and as a percentage of the world population and a percentage of the USA population. It's not like it was a few centuries ago where there were more whites and a larger percentage of whites and the white race could afford to have that happen more often.
There is also the issue of children's identity. One girl I work with desperately wants to be white, and has talked about how she's passed for white in the past. She's a very dilute black with a lot of white blood. This has caused a lot of emotional things for her which I think spills over into how she interacts with other people and she's less happy than she would be if she were completely black or completely white.
I think teaching someone about their own heritage, no matter who they are, can be a source of self-esteem and give someone a grounded feeling, a sense of belonging. This is more difficult when someone's parents come from cultures that are very different.
Also I think grandchildren should generally look like their grandparents.
Actually, I wasnt refering to you when I was speaking of the monkey thing. lol I hope it didn't come off that way.
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Muman, I wish you told me about it when it happened. I would have done something about it.
Stone Age
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,21861.200.html
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Thats not always the case. Again, do you think Rubystars, chinese Kahanist, CJD, or I am a Nazi Troll?
Why dont we just start calling them Stormfronters and tell them to leave the forum now.
When have I or anyone else flamed you or the rest these members? Have you not picked up on the fact that Rubystars is one of my very favorite all-time JTFers?
However--since you insist on pushing this and starting a fight with us, you are starting to remind me of ex-JTFer MikeyChua a lot. If you don't remember him, ask Lisa about him sometime and what he was all about.
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I just want to make it clear that I don't think blacks are monkeys, but I do laugh sometimes when a particularly evil person is compared to a monkey, like Obama. Blacks are human beings with a human soul who need to answer to G-d the same that we do, and being black doesn't automatically make an individual any less righteous or any less intelligent. I've known many decent black people who would NOT deserve to be called a monkey.
I don't think whites should intermarry mostly for the fact that whites are declining both in numbers and as a percentage of the world population and a percentage of the USA population. It's not like it was a few centuries ago where there were more whites and a larger percentage of whites and the white race could afford to have that happen more often.
There is also the issue of children's identity. One girl I work with desperately wants to be white, and has talked about how she's passed for white in the past. She's a very dilute black with a lot of white blood. This has caused a lot of emotional things for her which I think spills over into how she interacts with other people and she's less happy than she would be if she were completely black or completely white.
I think teaching someone about their own heritage, no matter who they are, can be a source of self-esteem and give someone a grounded feeling, a sense of belonging. This is more difficult when someone's parents come from cultures that are very different.
Also I think grandchildren should generally look like their grandparents.
I remember when we had this particular debate in the past. While I disagree at the same time I see what you are saying and you are entitled to this opinion. It isn't racist when people feel the need to marry someone of the same "heritage" or culture. This is how you feel about whites in general. The way I prefer to word it for my own self is that for me, yes it's important that I married a Jew, but better that I married someone from the same cultural background as me in addition to being Jewish.
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When have I or anyone else flamed you or the rest these members? Have you not picked up on the fact that Rubystars is one of my very favorite all-time JTFers?
However--since you insist on pushing this and starting a fight with us, you are starting to remind me of ex-JTFer MikeyChua a lot. If you don't remember him, ask Lisa about him sometime and what he was all about.
You are proving my point. You said people who are prejudice towards blacks are all going to be closet Nazis and I am telling you that even YOU don't beleive that. ITs a HORRIBLE precedent to set.
Do you really think Im the kind of member who just likes to start fights?
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Stone Age
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,21861.200.html
yeh, statements like that deserve a good spanking..but not an all out banning..only until insincere with debates would it deserve that. Muman responded appropriately...learn, JTFers, on how to respond to be people you strongly disagree with.
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I remember when we had this particular debate in the past. While I disagree at the same time I see what you are saying and you are entitled to this opinion. It isn't racist when people feel the need to marry someone of the same "heritage" or culture. This is how you feel about whites in general. The way I prefer to word it for my own self is that for me, yes it's important that I married a Jew, but better that I married someone from the same cultural background as me in addition to being Jewish.
yeh, statements like that deserve a good spanking..but not an all out banning..only until insincere with debates would it deserve that. Muman responded appropriately...learn, JTFers, on how to respond to be people you strongly disagree with.
I think we are all on the same page here and yes, Muman is very good and responding appropriately... but I would say they same for you Dr. Dan, lol.
Anyway, I am glad I got this off my chest.
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yeh, statements like that deserve a good spanking..but not an all out banning..only until insincere with debates would it deserve that. Muman responded appropriately...learn, JTFers, on how to respond to be people you strongly disagree with.
Yup. I agree.
But my conscience is clear - I don't attack anyone.
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I remember when we had this particular debate in the past. While I disagree at the same time I see what you are saying and you are entitled to this opinion. It isn't racist when people feel the need to marry someone of the same "heritage" or culture. This is how you feel about whites in general. The way I prefer to word it for my own self is that for me, yes it's important that I married a Jew, but better that I married someone from the same cultural background as me in addition to being Jewish.
She has a point, but I don't agree with it totally.
But at any rate, imagine if a new member came and said the same thing. How should we respond?
Lets just say we dissagree. Thats all Im saying. Lets not say... 'since you have these racist opinions, were gonna call you a pedophile and a stormfronter because So and so also said that, and he turned out to be a Nazi.
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Yup. I agree.
But my conscience is clear - I don't attack anyone.
Since were discussing favorite members, Id have to put you in the top 3. ;D
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You are proving my point. You said people who are prejudice towards blacks are all going to be closet Nazis and I am telling you that even YOU don't beleive that. ITs a HORRIBLE precedent to set.
Do you really think Im the kind of member who just likes to start fights?
No I don't but I do have to say that I am really surprised at how you have been acting lately, and not in a good way.
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No I don't but I do have to say that I am really surprised at how you have been acting lately, and not in a good way.
I did it because I saw many long time members feeling uncomfortable. I dont want this name calling to continue because I care about the forum, not because I disslike you. And again, I am not singling you out. I was actually more concerned about Meerkat who said that he is ok with calling members who pre-judge someone based upon race as Stormfronters.
Thats a destructive path for our forum.
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I do believe SS Africans branched off of monkeys.
Look at their skulls and long arm and leg bones.
Look at their pronunced jaws and elephant sized pipes.
Penis size is inversely proportional to brain size.
But where does it say in the bible, Jew or Christian, that we're not allowed to evolve?
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I think we are all on the same page here and yes, Muman is very good and responding appropriately... but I would say they same for you Dr. Dan, lol.
Anyway, I am glad I got this off my chest.
We have the best core members in this forum...I see a good future for JTF leadership here down the line.
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Yup. I agree.
But my conscience is clear - I don't attack anyone.
You're the best.
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I do believe SS Africans branched off of monkeys.
Look at their skulls and long arm and leg bones.
Look at their pronunced jaws and elephant sized pipes.
Penis size is inversely proportional to brain size.
But where does it say in the bible, Jew or Christian, that we're not allowed to evolve?
LOL ok, I have to laugh at that. Sorry, I know its offensive, but that is FUNNY STUFF!!!!! :::D
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Psychology:
You're the best.
Sarcasim:
WOW! I feel great! I love you!
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She has a point, but I don't agree with it totally.
But at any rate, imagine if a new member came and said the same thing. How should we respond?
Lets just say we dissagree. Thats all Im saying. Lets not say... 'since you have these racist opinions, were gonna call you a pedophile and a stormfronter because So and so also said that, and he turned out to be a Nazi.
Rubystars is a reasonable human being and a good person. She gets it. The majority of Whites have a certain heritage while the majority of blacks have a different culture. I don't know any blacks who are white washed so to speak so she has a great point.
If someone else new were to say the same thing, it would need an explanation. But I'll you, a real Nazi would hate blacks and Jews and anything good anyway. So a new member with Rubystar's opinions would have to be extremely inconsistent with his/her views to be warranted a Nazi troll. Rubystars is righteous and doesn't hate blacks because of their skin...and likes righteous blacks and whites.
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The issue in my opinion is the culture.
I can easily demonstrate that there are some very good religious Jews who are black. They learn Torah, keep the commandments, and exhibit all signs that they are Jewish {humility and kindness}. I will not, nor will I ever, condemn all blacks because of what some who ascribe to an evil culture do.
As I related many times here. I have encountered the most evil blacks who are gangsters and back in the 80s I had my nose broken by some of these apes. I use the N word to describe these blacks who have no social ability besides crime and mobbing. I have been called racist because of this and I can live with that. I have made a stand against 'gangsta rap' and have been pilloried for that stand.
But I also have experienced some very evil white people. I have had white folks come to my fathers condo and steal clothes and jewelry while they thought I was not looking. I have had white friends who have stabbed me in the back {figuratively} and set me up to get in trouble for things that they did. I really believe that some white folks can act even more 'monkey like' than the blacks.
I judge a person by the way they relate to others. I judge a person on how they act, what they say, how they treat other people, and how they speak of others. While it is true that we often make generalizations, and it is true that when in a 'bad neigborhood' to be on the lookout for people who appear threatening, we should also try not to make judgments based solely on the color of ones skin.
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I do believe SS Africans branched off of monkeys.
Look at their skulls and long arm and leg bones.
Look at their pronunced jaws and elephant sized pipes.
Penis size is inversely proportional to brain size.
But where does it say in the bible, Jew or Christian, that we're not allowed to evolve?
If they are Homo Sapiens and can breed with other Homo Sapiens of a different race, then they have free will. If they choose evil, then they are free game in the after life.
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I do believe SS Africans branched off of monkeys.
Look at their skulls and long arm and leg bones.
Look at their pronunced jaws and elephant sized pipes.
Penis size is inversely proportional to brain size.
But where does it say in the bible, Jew or Christian, that we're not allowed to evolve?
I am insulted by the insinuation..
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Mike. Black. White. Those are very broad categories.
Indians and injuns are in the category of caucasian. As well as Jews and 'rabs.
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Mike. Black. White. Those are very broad categories.
Indians and injuns are in the category of caucasian. As well as Jews and 'rabs.
Injuns are Mongloids. (mostly)
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I am insulted by the insinuation..
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well, there ARE exceptions... :::D
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I am insulted by the insinuation..
8)
Sssho...which is it? Small pipe or small brain....
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Sssho...which is it? Small pipe or small brain....
I wont touch this with a 10-foot pole...
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Rubystars, everyone knows what your opinions are. Some people differ with them but tell me--how often have you been flamed or called a Nazi because of it?
Not by you, but often by other people. Some at JTF haven't understood. They think I hate people based on who they are.
There is a difference between generally having a cynical attitude towards blacks, or thinking the races should stay separate, and using Nazi WN rhetoric about blacks, Jews, and religious people.
True.
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I wont touch this with a 10-foot pole...
I'll give you a 12ft pole.....c'mon, don't be shy.
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Penis size is inversely proportional to brain size.
LOL!
I remember when we had this particular debate in the past. While I disagree at the same time I see what you are saying and you are entitled to this opinion. It isn't racist when people feel the need to marry someone of the same "heritage" or culture. This is how you feel about whites in general. The way I prefer to word it for my own self is that for me, yes it's important that I married a Jew, but better that I married someone from the same cultural background as me in addition to being Jewish.
Jews are a special case. I don't think physical race really matters as much there because of the terrible persecution that Jews were under for centuries which caused them to be diaspora, when they gather back together after so long there are going to be Jews that look like the people of the lands their ancestors were driven to or that they fled to, but that doesn't diminish their essential identity as Jews.
When have I or anyone else flamed you or the rest these members? Have you not picked up on the fact that Rubystars is one of my very favorite all-time JTFers?
Thanks! I think you're cool too :)
Actually, I wasnt refering to you when I was speaking of the monkey thing. lol I hope it didn't come off that way.
Don't worry Briann I didn't take it that way. I just wanted to make sure everyone else understood because it's very easy to misunderstand this kind of thing when an opinion is a nuanced one.
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Rubystars is a reasonable human being and a good person. She gets it. The majority of Whites have a certain heritage while the majority of blacks have a different culture. I don't know any blacks who are white washed so to speak so she has a great point.
If someone else new were to say the same thing, it would need an explanation. But I'll you, a real Nazi would hate blacks and Jews and anything good anyway. So a new member with Rubystar's opinions would have to be extremely inconsistent with his/her views to be warranted a Nazi troll. Rubystars is righteous and doesn't hate blacks because of their skin...and likes righteous blacks and whites.
Thanks Dr. Dan. :)
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The inverse relation is surely a myth.
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The inverse relation is surely a myth.
If it were true wouldn't all women be super geniuses? :::D
I think I know what he meant though.
Asians generally are said have smaller ones than other races however have the highest IQs, and etc. etc. However I don't think there's a direct relationship there. Individual members (pun! ;D) of any race can be larger or smaller downstairs and be larger or smaller upstairs. This means nothing to the individual.
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If it were true wouldn't all women be super geniuses? :::D
I think I know what he meant though.
Asians generally are said have smaller ones than other races however have the highest IQs, and etc. etc. However I don't think there's a direct relationship there. Individual members (pun! ;D) of any race can be larger or smaller downstairs and be larger or smaller upstairs. This means nothing to the individual.
Just like bigger boobs might be considered inverse to women's intelligence...
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Just like bigger boobs might be considered inverse to women's intelligence...
Yeah that's another one that is hilarious but not true. :)
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I think we need to realize that some generalizations are true. Blacks are more involved in crime than Whites, have higher rates of illegitimacy etc. That does not mean that we should not judge all people as individuals. It is a tough balancing act.
I don't think it should mean we are reflexively anti Black. I had to disagree with Chaim on the Jackie Robinson discussion. He said Robinson was not a bad guy but had hurt our culture by paving the way for Blacks in sports.
The problem with Blacks is not that some use their G-d given talent to excel in sports. If that was all they were doing it would be wonderful. The problem is too many are committing crimes, have unbelievable rates of illegitimacy and are anti Semitic.
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Yeah that's another one that is hilarious but not true. :)
Sohoo...Ruby....
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I did it because I saw many long time members feeling uncomfortable. I dont want this name calling to continue because I care about the forum, not because I disslike you. And again, I am not singling you out. I was actually more concerned about Meerkat who said that he is ok with calling members who pre-judge someone based upon race as Stormfronters.
Thats a destructive path for our forum.
Actually Meerkat is about the only new (i.e. from this summer) forum member that I think is completely legitimate.
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Actually Meerkat is about the only new (i.e. from this summer) forum member that I think is completely legitimate.
Yes, I think he is legitmate. I wouldnt question that. I just don't want him to believe that its appropriate to call members here 'stormfronters' because they prejudge on skin color... that's destructive.
But its hard to believe that our forum would only be able to get 1 new member over the entire summer that is 'legit' When I joined, back in late 2006 there were a lot more legitimate new members joining. I dont think people have changed that dramatically.
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Sohoo...Ruby....
I'm definitely not discussing my cup size on the forum lol
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I'm definitely not discussing my cup size on the forum lol
Walnut brain!
:laugh:
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When have I or anyone else flamed you or the rest these members? Have you not picked up on the fact that Rubystars is one of my very favorite all-time JTFers?
However--since you insist on pushing this and starting a fight with us, you are starting to remind me of ex-JTFer MikeyChua a lot. If you don't remember him, ask Lisa about him sometime and what he was all about.
Whats was the problem with MikeyChua I believe I met him at one or two of the meetings and he seemed like a very nice person?
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Whats was the problem with MikeyChua I believe I met him at one or two of the meetings and he seemed like a very nice person?
mike chua? is he the older guy approx 40-50yo?
if true then he=nice guy
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mike chua? is he the older guy approx 40-50yo?
if true then he=nice guy
Yes he is and he was quite interesting to listen and talk with... He seemed to know quite a few people.
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Walnut brain!
:laugh:
I thought Walnuts were good for people's brains, they have healthy oils in them!
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It's great you put cards on the table by starting this thread briann... After reading some of the comments here in this thread I have to say I am slightly depressed and very disappointed... I have noticed a trend here on the forum that is very destructive... It seems that the debate process here in many cases towards new members only goes so far... It seems that for the lack of a better phrase the process has become Islamized "If we can't convert you to our way of thinking we have to get rid of you"... My take on jbeige was he was trying to spur up some activity here on the forum... He said stuff that back in 2008 would have had the forum buzzing with activity... He was one of the first to mention Perry here on the forum, his post on Israel was designed to open an entire line of debate on Israel giving members here an avenue to present a concise case on why Israel belongs to the Jewish people and only the Jewish people... His premarital sex post was classic... It's a very real issue and one I am sure many people have a question with... This is part of the two responses made to his post.
I know many people who have remained a virgin until after marriage. And it is a good thing for a couple to keep the sexual relationship holy. Judaism has an entire set of laws which are meant to ensure that there is a holy bond between a husband and a wife. I will not go into it here as this is not the place for such discussion.
My question is why is it not?
The best was the Cain threads... Here the person calls Cain a typical evil black politician in order to get people here to dig into Cains past dealings and post things on why Cain should gain the support of our movement... I looked into Cains past and saw a typical successful black executive... Nothing overly conservative about him until he decided to get into politics... Has anyone here on the forum gone past the sound bites in the news and looked into Cains past to find anything positive to post? I suppose it easer to call people Størm Frønt nazi trolls and finish them off... The post and page view stats were far higher with a smaller general membership back in 2008 the on line numbers were also better... It seems that we were doing things a bit differently back then.
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In case of severest doubts on both sides and when some problem is not at all getting resolved and if it earnestly needs to be resolved, then please dare to ask the solution and opinion from the muslamics.
Muslamics are the best judges. Whatever is their real opinion, just reverse it. This methodology never fails.
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So jbeige hates Jews and what you care about is his hatred for Negros? What the hell?
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In case of severest doubts on both sides and when some problem is not at all getting resolved and if it earnestly needs to be resolved, then please dare to ask the solution and opinion from the muslamics.
Muslamics are the best judges. Whatever is their real opinion, just reverse it. This methodology never fails.
lol good one syyuge
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So jbeige hates Jews and what you care about is his hatred for Negros? What the hell?
Where did he say he hated Jews? I agree "What the hell?"
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Soon this thread will be another that someone moves and locks down.
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Where did he say he hated Jews? I agree "What the hell?"
He said our land belongs to Xtians
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In case of severest doubts on both sides and when some problem is not at all getting resolved and if it earnestly needs to be resolved, then please dare to ask the solution and opinion from the muslamics.
Muslamics are the best judges. Whatever is their real opinion, just reverse it. This methodology never fails.
lol good one syyuge
Thanx! ;D
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Yes, I think he is legitmate. I wouldnt question that. I just don't want him to believe that its appropriate to call members here 'stormfronters' because they prejudge on skin color... that's destructive.
The reason why prejudging on the basis of skin color gets associated with Pedofront is because that's exactly what Pedofronters do.
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So jbeige hates Jews and what you care about is his hatred for Negros? What the hell?
I pointed out the Jew-hating comments he made as soon as I saw them
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He said our land belongs to Xtians
Kahane-Was-Right_BT and I both pointed that out and complained about it.
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It's great you put cards on the table by starting this thread briann... After reading some of the comments here in this thread I have to say I am slightly depressed and very disappointed... I have noticed a trend here on the forum that is very destructive... It seems that the debate process here in many cases towards new members only goes so far... It seems that for the lack of a better phrase the process has become Islamized "If we can't convert you to our way of thinking we have to get rid of you"... My take on jbeige was he was trying to spur up some activity here on the forum... He said stuff that back in 2008 would have had the forum buzzing with activity... He was one of the first to mention Perry here on the forum, his post on Israel was designed to open an entire line of debate on Israel giving members here an avenue to present a concise case on why Israel belongs to the Jewish people and only the Jewish people... His premarital sex post was classic... It's a very real issue and one I am sure many people have a question with... This is part of the two responses made to his post.
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The best was the Cain threads... Here the person calls Cain a typical evil black politician in order to get people here to dig into Cains past dealings and post things on why Cain should gain the support of our movement... I looked into Cains past and saw a typical successful black executive... Nothing overly conservative about him until he decided to get into politics... Has anyone here on the forum gone past the sound bites in the news and looked into Cains past to find anything positive to post? I suppose it easer to call people Størm Frønt nazi trolls and finish them off... The post and page view stats were far higher with a smaller general membership back in 2008 the on line numbers were also better... It seems that we were doing things a bit differently back then.
I am going to start a thread in the Honorable Winged Members section.
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Kahane-Was-Right_BT and I both pointed that out and complained about it.
I would like you and the other stormfronter to show the EXACT POST where I said Israel belongs to the Christians.
A few people wrote me to tell me to come back on so I'm here to tell you two stormfronters to put up or shut up.
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I would like you and the other stormfronter to show the EXACT POST where I said Israel belongs to the Christians.
A few people wrote me to tell me to come back on so I'm here to tell you two stormfronters to put up or shut up.
I thought you quit, blacky.
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So jbeige hates Jews and what you care about is his hatred for Negros? What the hell?
I want you to show everyone where I hate Jews????? You're another stormfronter, put up or shut up.
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I thought you quit, blacky.
I just had to set the record straight, now I will go.
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I just had to set the record straight, now I will go.
ok, go in peace.
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ok, go in peace.
Yes I go in peace now.
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Have a nice day, Johnson Brown.
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He said our land belongs to Xtians
No... He said that Jews were the keepers of the land... Sounds like ownership to me!
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Have a nice day, Johnson Brown.
It's always somebody... Ben, AllenT and G-d knows who else :::D
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I think if someone disagrees with us we should debate them.
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Have a nice day, Johnson Brown.
:::D
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It's always somebody... Ben, AllenT and G-d knows who else :::D
Actually, his accusation may be true this time.
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Its alive!!
I thought it was rest in peace.
(http://memento.eisbrecher.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/RIP_400x420_tn.jpg)
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Actually, his accusation may be true this time.
I wonder what little bird sings in his ear... It's remarkable how people that should have no access to IP addresses do. If Johnson Brown managed to return the forum for a few months now I don't know what to say here... All I know is I don't seem to have the access to the sort of information others here seem to have that tells them all this... It seems security needs a bit of tightening.
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Beleive it or not Meerkat, it wasnt 911avenger's comments that disturbed me the most, it was yours. 911avenger has some justification, although I dont agree with it. But your jjustification, would also apply to many members here.
TO prove my point, What is worse or more racist to you?:
Blacks are monkeys and we shouldnt interbreed with non-blacks.
or
We shouldnt vote for a black candidate, because they are all jew-haters and are only candidates because of affirmative action.(said by Jbeige)
The answer should be.... They both are racist.... BUT, the top comments are often said by many great members here.
But we dont call them stormfronters because we reserve this term for the most disgusting jew-hating vermin.
I respect that you dont agree with them... thats fine. I also respect all sorts of viewpoints on this forum. But Using stormfronters to describe people on this forum like this is crossing the line since it makes many of our longtime members feel very uncomfortable and unwanted. If you dont beleive me, read their comments.
That doesnt mean I dont want you to continue to have the opinions you have... all I am saying is not to use those terms unless you know the person is a jew hater. Just say you think racism is wrong and I wont say anything, I may even agree with you from time to time.
Lol you chose the most benign quote out of all the whacked out things jbeige has said here. That doesn't paint an accurate picture.
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Here's what Jbeige said about Israel:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,56285.msg511304.html#msg511304
You know what is ignorant for anyone to think one group of people OWN the holy land, the holy land has roots in many religions including the Christian religion, Israel and the Jewish people are the Keepers as they should be, they run the show.
I will not argue with you but I would like to know how the Catholics are going to take over the holy land???
You are very intelligent tell us how. Thank you.
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No... He said that Jews were the keepers of the land... Sounds like ownership to me!
Wrong. You must not have followed the relevant threads. He disagreed strongly with my assertion that Jews own the land. Period.
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Here's what Jbeige said about Israel:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,56285.msg511304.html#msg511304
Bingo. Thanks for digging that up, Lisa.
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For those of you who didn't read my link, jbeige wrote that no one owns the Holy Land, not even the Jews.
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Briann I understand your concern about people being labelled and called names, and your heart is in the right place because you don't want to lose members here and you want the movement to grow. On the other hand, anyone who feels the Jews do not own the Land of Israel does not belong here, and they should expect to be attacked over that. And if they want to leave go ahead and they can leave because people who feel Jews are just temporary placeholders in the middle east for arab nazis or for christians or for their messiah or for the UN or until some kind of "justice" removes us, or for any reason, such people are a dime a dozen.
Saying somebody can't be conservative because of his "blackness" is just plain nutty, so let the nuts leave in peace IMO.
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I thought you quit, blacky.
:::D
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For those of you who didn't read my link, jbeige wrote that no one owns the Holy Land, not even the Jews.
What a loon