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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muman613 on January 19, 2012, 03:55:26 PM
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I think this is great news considering the whoopa with SOPA... I hope that the prosecution has shut down a source which people use to pirate commercial programs. If they can do this without SOPA then I am satisfied...
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-file-sharing-website/
Feds say 7 from Megaupload.com ran massive worldwide piracy website
Published January 19, 2012 | FoxNews.com
McLEAN, Va. – Federal prosecutors in Virginia have shut down one of the world's largest file-sharing sites, Megaupload.com, and charged its founder and others with violating piracy laws -- a day after a 24-hour blackout of popular websites such as Wikipedia drew national attention to the issue.
The indictment is among the largest criminal copyright cases ever brought by the United States, according to the FBI.
It accuses seven individuals and two corporations -- Megaupload Limited and Vestor Limited -- of costing copyright holders more than $500 million in lost revenue from pirated films and other content. The indictment, which was unsealed on Thursday, says that at one point Megaupload was the 13th most popular website in the world.
Megaupload.com has claimed it is diligent in responding to complaints about pirated material.
The individuals in the criminal enterprise -- a worldwide ring led by Australians Kim Dotcom, aka Kim Schmitz, and Kim Tim Jim Vestor -- each face a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison on racketeering charges, five years for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, 20 years on money laundering charges and five years on related charges.
The indictment comes the day after a 24-hour "blackout" of Wikipedia, a protest doodle on the homepage of Google, and numerous other protests across the Internet against proposed anti-piracy legislation that many leading websites -- including Reddit, Google, Facebook, Amazon and others -- contend will make it challenging if not impossible for them to operate.
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"Great" news for whom? It's "great" that a couple of kids with too much time on their hands are facing a longer sentence than most murderers?
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IF the file uploading sites become a target... they will move offshore.
Sites that are SPECIFICALLY for piracy... (indexing sites like piratebay, etc) have already done so.
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"Great" news for whom? It's "great" that a couple of kids with too much time on their hands are facing a longer sentence than most murderers?
Why are you calling them kids? It appears that these two are responsible for practically $500Million worth of piracy..
Do kids start sites with the express goal of stealing copyright protected material?
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IF the file uploading sites become a target... they will move offshore.
Sites that are SPECIFICALLY for piracy... (indexing sites like piratebay, etc) have already done so.
These two are from Australia...
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I have no pity on these:
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Megaupload was led by colorful Australian Kim Dotcom -- aka Kim Schmitz, or Kim Tim Jim Vestor. He is a a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, who legally changed his last name to "Dotcom."
The website's founder and "chief innovation officer" was once convicted of a felony but has repeatedly denied engaging in piracy, according to CNET.com -- and he made more than $42 million from the conspiracy in 2010 alone, according to the indictment.
The indictment comes the day after a 24-hour "blackout" of Wikipedia, a protest doodle on the homepage of Google, and numerous other protests across the Internet against proposed anti-piracy legislation that many leading websites -- including Reddit, Google, Facebook, Amazon and others -- contend will make it challenging if not impossible for them to operate.
The Protect Intellectual Property Act under consideration in the Senate and the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the House are bills backed by the motion picture and recording industries intended to eliminate theft online once and for all. S. 968 and H.R. 3261 would require ISPs to block access to foreign websites that infringe on copyrights.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-file-sharing-website/#ixzz1jwUWMWAV
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It seems a lot of people are very protective of pirates, but they will immediately bleet and cry when a black steals a dollar...
THEFT IS THEFT!
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I think it's lame going after upload sites and like briann says it would fail because you can't enforce the law offshore.
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Heavy-scale internet "piracy" goes back more than a dozen years... anyone remember the doomsayers that vowed that Napster was going to be the end of commercial music? (Ironically enough, it was multimillionaire stars like Metallica and Dr. Dre that were making these claims, not struggling small indie artists that would have stood the most to lose from piracy.)
I think the piracy question comes down to the free market. If a legitimate market for a service or product exists, we will continue to see a market for it no matter what. If no market for it exists, we won't. I don't see how Chinese nationals "illegally" downloading Western-made movies will hurt the Western entertainment industry substantially. If anything, what is harming the domestic entertainment industry is the fact that people without jobs don't have much disposable income to spend on music and movies.
In a way the whole "piracy" debate is similar to the mega-bailouts we saw four years ago. The government is interfering with the free market in the name of fighting for the free market. It's ridiculous. If the banks and insurance companies were all failing, obviously they either didn't run their businesses with any acumen or their services no longer had a market. Likewise with the entertainment industry--if these people are putting out superior films and CDs, people will eat them up (if they have the income to do so). If they're not, it's not the government's job to step in and rescue them from people's own decisionmaking processes. But we live in an era where the vast majority of Western citizens have an entitlement complex and believe they are owed x, y, and z without working for it--remember, something like 76% of Americans feel health care is an "inalienable right" after all.
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Heavy-scale internet "piracy" goes back more than a dozen years... anyone remember the doomsayers that vowed that Napster was going to be the end of commercial music? (Ironically enough, it was multimillionaire stars like Metallica and Dr. Dre that were making these claims, not struggling small indie artists that would have stood the most to lose from piracy.)
I think the piracy question comes down to the free market. If a legitimate market for a service or product exists, we will continue to see a market for it no matter what. If no market for it exists, we won't. I don't see how Chinese nationals "illegally" downloading Western-made movies will hurt the Western entertainment industry substantially. If anything, what is harming the domestic entertainment industry is the fact that people without jobs don't have much disposable income to spend on music and movies.
In a way the whole "piracy" debate is similar to the mega-bailouts we saw four years ago. The government is interfering with the free market in the name of fighting for the free market. It's ridiculous. If the banks and insurance companies were all failing, obviously they either didn't run their businesses with any acumen or their services no longer had a market. Likewise with the entertainment industry--if these people are putting out superior films and CDs, people will eat them up (if they have the income to do so). If they're not, it's not the government's job to step in and rescue them from people's own decisionmaking processes. But we live in an era where the vast majority of Western citizens have an entitlement complex and believe they are owed x, y, and z without working for it--remember, something like 76% of Americans feel health care is an "inalienable right" after all.
I think you are correct that most of the so called piracy is done by people who are never going to be paying clients and are not doing commercial use with the downloaded material.
For example, a teenager who "pirates" adobe photoshop and use it to create amateur art etc. would never ever pay the hundreds of dollars for the license fees. But when he grows up he may actually get a job as a graphic designer and so directly or via the employer become a paying customer for adobe. I don't see how adobe loses any dollars by going after such offenders. They should go after people and businesses who do commercial use of the software without buying license.
Now when it comes to the entertainment industry, I think what the industry needs to do is adopt and offer the consumers the type of services they seek and are willing to pay for because they are convenient and reasonably priced. Netflix, Itunes etc. for example offer this type of services. But the music and film industry for years before refused to adopt and tried to force people to buy expensive bloated content in obsolete formats like CD albums and DVD boxes.
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For example, a teenager who "pirates" adobe photoshop and use it to create amateur art etc. would never ever pay the hundreds of dollars for the license fees. But when he grows up he may actually get a job as a graphic designer and so directly or via the employer become a paying customer for adobe. I don't see how adobe loses any dollars by going after such offenders. They should go after people and businesses who do commercial use of the software without buying license.
Not only is the above a "victimless crime", but it only helps Adobe in the long run. When this kid has the money after he makes it big as a professional designer, he more than likely will become a major customer of Adobe. A smart software corporation would make a personal-use version of said program available as freeware (and several have done this in fact), and therefore the whole "piracy" question is circumvented entirely.
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oh those poor rap studio giants
why would anyone want garbage "music" or those disposable garbage "movies"?
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These pirates are some real creeps. They deserve everything they are getting... Engaging in a criminal enterprise of piracy is a crime. I dont care if you don't like the movies or music, don't watch them or listen to them....
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These pirates are some real creeps. They deserve everything they are getting... Engaging in a criminal enterprise of piracy is a crime. I dont care if you don't like the movies or music, don't watch them or listen to them....
It's one thing to punish the pirates, but its another thing to take down websites just because they link to pirated material.
If someone posted a link to copyrighted material on JTF.org should JTF.org be taken down?
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It's one thing to punish the pirates, but its another thing to take down websites just because they link to pirated material.
If someone posted a link to copyrighted material on JTF.org should JTF.org be taken down?
This story is about a big time piracy ring which was responsible for up to 500Million dollars in piracy.
My point is that with or without SOPA I support stopping piracy of copyrighted material. A person has a right to earn a living developing content for the various media devices which are created. I work at a company which creates hardware/software which delivers media content to the user.
Regarding your question. No a link is not the issue. The server which hosts the content and who owns and operates it are responsible for the copyright infringement.
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These are allegations unproven in a court of law. How would you know exactly how much money this operation came up with? If these operations were destroying the livelihood of the entertainment industry, how come the entertainment industry is thriving?
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These are allegations unproven in a court of law. How would you know exactly how much money this operation came up with? If these operations were destroying the livelihood of the entertainment industry, how come the entertainment industry is thriving?
Its thriving? According to who?
You always talk about these 'big corporations' and 'special interests' but don't you realize that the small businesses which are involved in distribution and production of this content are being ripped off? I thought that you were a moral person but lately I have come to think that many here don't care about morals, they care about themselves. If they can rip someone off without getting caught they will do it. If there is a risk of getting caught they will blame those trying to enforce the law.
I know many companies which are trying to work on home media systems and without content they will go out of business.
These two in todays article, if they ran Megaupload site, are deserving of this as they knew it was used to pirate. How else do you make money by running a site which hosts media content which you did not pay royalties for?
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I know many companies which are trying to work on home media systems and without content they will go out of business.
How about don't base their company their company on the wrong business model. In your specific example there are actually existing and successful home media products.
The content providers are the enemies of technological development. When audio recorders first came about to the mass market they tried to make it illegal to posses. When the video recorder was first on the market, they tried to stop that too. They also tried to fight TiVo and youtube etc.
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How about don't base their company their company on the wrong business model. In your specific example there are actually existing and successful home media products.
The content providers are the enemies of technological development. When audio recorders first came about to the mass market they tried to make it illegal to posses. When the video recorder was first on the market, they tried to stop that too. They also tried to fight TiVo and youtube etc.
I strongly disagree!
Remember the case of VHS versus Sony betamax ?
In this case sony lost because it lacked content. Also more recently in the competition between rival formats HDVD and Bluray it turns out that HDVD lost because of lack of content. I know because I'm a sucker who bought the thing ..
I'm posting this from my android so my typing sucks.
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Muman that's not the issue we are dealing with here. The big content providers tried to make it illegal to sell video recorder device of any format. They said it should be illegal to record a show from TV and watch it afterwards. If you wanna watch a video, you must buy or rent the cassette with the movie from them.
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I thought that you were a moral person but lately I have come to think that many here don't care about morals, they care about themselves.
I am going to ask for you to apologize for this silly personal attack that borders on slander. I don't download anything. Then again, I rather doubt the sincerity of some of the posts around here so maybe none of it is really meant.
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Muman that's not the issue we are dealing with here. The big content providers tried to make it illegal to sell video recorder device of any format. They said it should be illegal to record a show from TV and watch it afterwards. If you wanna watch a video, you must buy or rent the cassette with the movie from them.
If something is released on the public airwaves, it's public property as far as I am concerned. They're getting compensated by commercial time. Needless to say hundreds of millions of people have recorded shows (usually to watch one time and then tape over) and it hasn't doomed the television industry.
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I notice that some of the copyright notices on movies always said you weren't supposed to show it in public (like a movie theater type situation) without a license, but I was curious as to how many people this applies to. If you have one of those fancy home theater setups and your kid has all his or her friends over for a sleepover, and they watch a movie, is that in violation?
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If you ask me, I don't really care. These Hollywood types deserve to be screwed over as well as the people that cheat them by copyrighting their material...Kind of like Qaddafi against the rebels. My view is, let them kill each other.
So as far as bootleggers and Hollywood movies and illegal copyrighting of these movies for free uploads etc etc etc...let them have a bloodbath. Both are evil.
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Anti piracy actions may sometimes be going too far to strangulate the basic concepts of the free market. Mostly only those companies resort to anti piracy actions who have internally already lost their initiatives and drive for innovations.
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And the DOJ website was just taken down by Anonymous in retaliation.
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If anyone thinks this will end "piracy", I have some Oklahoma beachfront property to sell them
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Obviously the khans of Hollywood have to be against the piracy. That should be called "Pirates against piracy".
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The entire purpose of the site was to facilitate piracy. Im ashamed that so many are blinded to that... The people being charged profited handsomely from their illegal activities...
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And the DOJ website was just taken down by Anonymous in retaliation.
I would not cry if they took all Anonymous Terrorists and locked them in guantanamo..
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I don't understand why any upstanding moral person would deny the right of a person to make money on that which he has worked for. This is sounding like the Generation of the Flood where theft and violence were the norm. Bottom line is that not only are 'big hollywood types' losing because of this but a large segment of the technology industry which is currently working on the next generation of content delivery.
In the case of the cassette and video tapes... The industry worked out a system whereby the mfg of the casettes and VHS tapes payed a royalty to the MPAA in order to offset any piracy... As long as royalties are being payed there is not a problem. But if the rightful owner of IP is bypassed it is nothing short of THEFT.
Just like walking into a bank with a gun and holding it up. Or walking into a house and squating in it illegally.... Those who engage in this kind of theft are doing damage to a lot of small businesses who are working with content producers. It is because of this that the products I work on use Encryption with very strong keys to prevent people like some of you from stealing the media content...
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Here is a picture of your hero Kim Dotcom... The convicted felon and mega conspiracy thief...
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/08/03/kimble5_270x201.jpg)
(http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/12/2012/01/1aa9afdd708ef5b95f4f83065fb90fc9.jpg)
Looks like he could use a little prison food...
(http://theflea.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Kim-Schmitz.jpg)
Did he win a fat contest against Michael Moore?
(http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2012/01/kim_schmitz_aka_kim_dotcom_seen_in_a_2002_file_pho_4f18fd9bea.JPG)
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The entire purpose of the site was to facilitate piracy. Im ashamed that so many are blinded to that... The people being charged profited handsomely from their illegal activities...
The few times I ever used an upload site I put there some of my own IP that I needed to share with some friends.
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The few times I ever used an upload site I put there some of my own IP that I needed to share with some friends.
I have nothing against online cloud storage... I use UbuntuOne... But check out the 'model' of Mega Conspiracy.... It seems to me to be geared toward encouraging piracy.
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I personally used Megaupload to occasionally facilitate the transfer of files to family and friends.
Oh well, I guess I will just use RapidShare
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So, how about that apology for accusing me of piracy? ;D
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So, how about that apology for accusing me of piracy? ;D
Axl,
I am sorry if you feel I was singling you out. My point is that those who do not condemn piracy in my opinion seem to condone it...
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Not quite an apology but I'll take it.
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Not quite an apology but I'll take it.
I do not think that you would knowingly steal... When I made the statement I was trying to make a point. I give you the benefit of the doubt.
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The entire purpose of the site was to facilitate piracy. Im ashamed that so many are blinded to that... The people being charged profited handsomely from their illegal activities...
All of this is unproven allegation. The DOJ just shut down a website without giving the website a chance to get rid of the copyright material.
Once again I ask if someone posts a link to copyright material on JTF, should JTF be shut down?
That is what SOPA will let DOJ do, which DOJ is unconstitutionally doing right now.
The piracy ring that uploaded the material to Megaupload should be stopped, but Megaupload should not have been taken down unless they refused to remove the copyright content. In this case, Megaupload was not even given a chance to remove the content.
SOPA is support by Hollywood and the majority of Democrats, who want to impose a Chinese style censorship "Kill switch" system on the interest.
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I don't think anyones condoning it, but I don't exactly see the evils of Hollywood losing profits bad at all considering they supported Obama and communists. It'd be like people stealing from the Nazis, I don't feel sorry for the Nazis losing money or land.
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That's a good point. But I don't believe they are losing any money to begin with
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Your title is misleading. What you meant is "Communist terrorists massacre freedom"
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I am actually glad to hear that this occurred. I am still undecided whether or not society is better off with ip laws. Mises.org has a lot of writings that argue that it is not. But until society decides to get rid of IP laws officially and out in the open, we should enforce ip laws. Not doing so would be unfair to content creators who took it for granted that their work would be protected and built their lives based on that assumption.
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All of this is unproven allegation. The DOJ just shut down a website without giving the website a chance to get rid of the copyright material.
Once again I ask if someone posts a link to copyright material on JTF, should JTF be shut down?
That is what SOPA will let DOJ do, which DOJ is unconstitutionally doing right now.
The piracy ring that uploaded the material to Megaupload should be stopped, but Megaupload should not have been taken down unless they refused to remove the copyright content. In this case, Megaupload was not even given a chance to remove the content.
SOPA is support by Hollywood and the majority of Democrats, who want to impose a Chinese style censorship "Kill switch" system on the interest.
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This action had absolutely nothing to do with SOPA. The SOB was a criminal engaged in a criminal enterprise. It is shocking that anyone would support such a lowlife. This guy was convicted of stock fraud and was also a hacker. He made a ton of money on the backs of hard working people. And those who think this is only for the CORPORATE BAD GUY are completely in the dark as to what goes into creating content for the world of media devices.
The DOJ was watching this criminal for over a year....
And I am still stunned that nobody here has condemned software and media piracy. It seems most people are only concerned with what they can get for free. But the truth is that nothing is free, unless the creator deemed it to be for free. I believe some of you would steal cars and food if you could get away with it..
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What "hard working people"? Actors that make ten million bucks a film by working two hours a day? LOL
I'd like your proof for the claim that we all want to steal cars, also. :laugh:
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What "hard working people"? Actors that make ten million bucks a film by working two hours a day? LOL
I'd like your proof for the claim that we all want to steal cars, also. :laugh:
It seems that all people care about is getting free stuff... Do you think that the only people affected by piracy are the actors? Do you realize that a lot goes into modern video production. I have worked for many companies which have done work with movie studios and independent artists (For instance in the 1990s I worked with the producers of the Sci-Fi TV series Babylon 5 which used the Network OS my company developed). There are many middle-man companies which are involved in providing services for these productions and they are supposed to get royalties based on the number of views of the content. The entire royalty system is abused when people take what they should not.
An entire segment of the Silicon Valley development effort is to provide software and hardware to power the next generation of media devices. I am currently working on one such technology {the embedded video/audio CODECS used in set-top boxes and Blu-ray DVD players}... I have seen my work pirated and take my word... It sucks...
Im sorry if there are people who will have to pay to watch things. There is much content which is released which is free. I also support FREE SOFTWARE as in OPEN SOURCE which I personally have contributed three projects. For the last 10 years I have maintained several free software packages available in the open source community. But when I work on commercial software I expect to get paid for it...
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I guess JTF should be taken down, because JTF has videos using CNN clips.
I see you even made videos using clips for various media sources.
Guess you better turn yourself into DHS, and ask them to shut JTF down.
I pointed out the language of SOPA that would lead to this, which DHS is already doing without Congressional authorization.
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I'd love to see some of the freeware you've written and applaud you for this. Do you have any links?
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And I am still stunned that nobody here has condemned software and media piracy. It seems most people are only concerned with what they can get for free. But the truth is that nothing is free, unless the creator deemed it to be for free. I believe some of you would steal cars and food if you could get away with it..
I wouldn't steal cars for any reason I can think of, and I wouldn't steal food unless I was literally starving and then I'd try to find a way to pay the people back after I was in better circumstances.
If I could take a replicator machine and make a copy of the car (leaving the owner with their own original car) then it wouldn't be stealing to drive away with the copy. Also if I could make food from a replicator I wouldn't be stealing the food, because the original food would still be intact and belong to the owner.
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I'd love to see some of the freeware you've written and applaud you for this. Do you have any links?
Yes, I just found some of the projects when I googled myself...
http://nixbit.com/cat/internet/nttp-%28www%29/getattach.pl/
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=backtrack-3-man/getattach.pl
It seems that some of my other projects have fallen off the radar....
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I guess JTF should be taken down, because JTF has videos using CNN clips.
I see you even made videos using clips for various media sources.
Guess you better turn yourself into DHS, and ask them to shut JTF down.
I pointed out the language of SOPA that would lead to this, which DHS is already doing without Congressional authorization.
This is totally not related to the issue of Megaupload. This action had absolutely NO RELATION to issues of SOPA. The investigation has been ongoing for several years. I don't know why you keep making this absurd assertion.
Also there is nothing wrong with posting a link to a site. It is not a violation of anything. The site which hosts the illegal material is responsible for it..
You are aware of existing Federal Law called 'Fair Use'? Everything you mentioned is covered by the Fair Use clause...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative work. In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test. The term fair use originated in the United States. A similar principle, fair dealing, exists in some other common law jurisdictions. Civil law jurisdictions have other limitations and exceptions to copyright.
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I wouldn't steal cars for any reason I can think of, and I wouldn't steal food unless I was literally starving and then I'd try to find a way to pay the people back after I was in better circumstances.
If I could take a replicator machine and make a copy of the car (leaving the owner with their own original car) then it wouldn't be stealing to drive away with the copy. Also if I could make food from a replicator I wouldn't be stealing the food, because the original food would still be intact and belong to the owner.
The point which I am making is simple. While it is difficult to duplicate something which is made of physical components it is not very difficult to copy patterns of binary bits which make up software and audio/video media. But software is just as real as a car or money. Just because it is easier to copy software doesn't make it any less of a crime to steal it.
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The point which I am making is simple. While it is difficult to duplicate something which is made of physical components it is not very difficult to copy patterns of binary bits which make up software and audio/video media. But software is just as real as a car or money. Just because it is easier to copy software doesn't make it any less of a crime to steal it.
In most cases someone who lawfully bought the software or movie or whatever is making copies and giving them away for free with no profit to themselves. This is not the same as say, bootlegging, where someone makes copies of a movie and sells them for profit which should rightfully go to the movie company or whatever.
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In most cases someone who lawfully bought the software or movie or whatever is making copies and giving them away for free with no profit to themselves. This is not the same as say, bootlegging, where someone makes copies of a movie and sells them for profit which should rightfully go to the movie company or whatever.
The only legal thing is for a person to make a back-up of legally obtained media. I fully support this right and I fought for it back in the early days of computing {mid 1980s}. I support the right of a person to back-up CDs, DVDs and other software which they legally purchased. But giving copies to friends is a violation of the law. But those who charge money to make copies are boldly in violation of the law.
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Yes, I just found some of the projects when I googled myself...
http://nixbit.com/cat/internet/nttp-%28www%29/getattach.pl/
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=backtrack-3-man/getattach.pl
It seems that some of my other projects have fallen off the radar....
Good job but where is the authorship noted?
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Good job but where is the authorship noted?
http://nixbit.com/cat/internet/nttp-%28www%29/getattach.pl/
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Mike, how do **I** benefit from this?
So now that the "artists" get paid their $$billion$$ for producing garbage. How do I benefit from this?
I'm so happy that Dr Dre and Metallica gets their $$billion$$ and I get nothing.
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The only legal thing is for a person to make a back-up of legally obtained media. I fully support this right and I fought for it back in the early days of computing {mid 1980s}. I support the right of a person to back-up CDs, DVDs and other software which they legally purchased. But giving copies to friends is a violation of the law. But those who charge money to make copies are boldly in violation of the law.
I think the first one (giving them for free) is a technicality which I don't really think is wrong, the second one I would think is wrong because it's profiting off of someone else's content. At least you see that's more "bold" as you put it.
Neighbors in my neighborhood used to let each other borrow movies we owned. I watched them at my house and then returned them to the owner. Sort of like blockbuster but for free. Is that illegal?
Is it a copyright violation to have people over to your house to watch a movie on your home theater as your guests, or is this considered to be a public presenation without a license? Are you considered to be operating an unauthorized movie theater if say, your son or daughter has 10 of his or her friends over to watch a movie together?
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MUMAN you have no idea what you're talking about. "Great news"? Do you know how many billions of dollars are lost by rappers and hollywood by "pirating" sites? Do you know what a kidush Hashem that is? you're clueless.
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I just don't think it's worth shafting good content creators like muman just to get at the rappers and hollywood degenerates. We need to find other ways to beat them, and we kahanist jews and righteous gentiles will one day...
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This is totally not related to the issue of Megaupload. This action had absolutely NO RELATION to issues of SOPA. The investigation has been ongoing for several years. I don't know why you keep making this absurd assertion.
Also there is nothing wrong with posting a link to a site. It is not a violation of anything. The site which hosts the illegal material is responsible for it..
You are aware of existing Federal Law called 'Fair Use'? Everything you mentioned is covered by the Fair Use clause...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
The Federal government wants to shut down websites without giving the owners their day in court.
Now if someone posts a link to pirated material or if someone posts an ENTIRE article that is copyrighted (that is not allowed under Fair Use) should JTF be shut down?
That is what SOPA will allow the federal government to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Users_uploading_illegal_content (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Users_uploading_illegal_content)
A paper by the Center for Democracy and Technology claimed that the bill "targets an entire website even if only a small portion hosts or links to some infringing content."[47]
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MUMAN you have no idea what you're talking about. "Great news"? Do you know how many billions of dollars are lost by rappers and hollywood by "pirating" sites? Do you know what a kidush Hashem that is? you're clueless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Mxjjo-PKY
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151199#.TySz5BBSQYo
PS: Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense. It is not 'rappers' who are hurt by piracy. It are those hard working people who provide the media content to people. If you don't like rap, why would you want to rip off the artist? Theft is theft, no matter what your 'excuse' is...
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The Federal government wants to shut down websites without giving the owners their day in court.
Now if someone posts a link to pirated material or if someone posts an ENTIRE article that is copyrighted (that is not allowed under Fair Use) should JTF be shut down?
That is what SOPA will allow the federal government to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Users_uploading_illegal_content (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Users_uploading_illegal_content)
Once again you are talking about SOPA... Which this has nothing to do with...
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I just don't think it's worth shafting good content creators like muman just to get at the rappers and hollywood degenerates. We need to find other ways to beat them, and we kahanist jews and righteous gentiles will one day...
Thank you... I don't see this as a strictly 'hollywood' issue. Piracy hurts the small timer much worse than the big corporations.
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I just don't think it's worth shafting good content creators like muman just to get at the rappers and hollywood degenerates. We need to find other ways to beat them, and we kahanist jews and righteous gentiles will one day...
People aren't pirating little-known software applications with legitimate uses.
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People aren't pirating little-known software applications with legitimate uses.
But they are pirating the software which is used to create CD & DVDs which is another aspect of the business I have worked in. I also worked on application programming many years ago where I supported upgrades of a database application which was pirated.
But I am tired of arguing about this. I am not going to change the minds of anyone here...