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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: RationalThought110 on June 21, 2007, 03:06:08 AM
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What do you think of this practice?
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why not if it has a real medical application. It's just a plant.
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I think it should be used by pharmaceutical companies to make medications or given to people who are dying.
My mother, G-d bless her, has MS and just got over cancer and the pain is unbearable. I wish she had something to help her cope and medical marijuana products help MS and cancer patients considerably... but she would never consider it because of it's status.
I am, probably, emotionally attached to this issue.
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My issue with Maruijanu is the extremely high rate of irreversible psychosis for longtime users. For example in England where it was semi-legalized there are now tens of thousands of severly insane people under the care of the state becuase marijuana use is so widespread.
Jeffguy, is there nothing else that would be effective in controlling the pain your mother is in?
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They had a drug that looked promising but the FDA pulled it a week before it was supposed to be released.
They really don't know enough about MS, why it exists, what it does, or how people get it. There's not much she can do about it. She's tried so many combinations of prescriptions and nothing seems to work to help.
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We have much better prescription pain killers than Marijuna so this whole campaign is a store front to legitimize it for everyone.
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There is a proven link between marijuana use and schitzophrenia. It's really, really bad for this when used by adolescents. I saw a show on TV with colour medical imaging of adult brains versus adolescent ones. They were so different because of the massive chemical and hormonal changes going on in the latter. Adding dope to the equation is a disaster. If dope hase genuine medical applications, let the FDA do thorough reserch and process it into presciption-only pills.
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I'll tell you guys something interesting, there is a prescription drug out there derived from marijuana, it is called Dronabinol so we really have medical marijuana in a way.
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I'll tell you guys something interesting, there is a prescription drug out there derived from marijuana, it is called Dronabinol so we really have medical marijuana in a way.
And Morphine is just watered down heroin
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My issue with Maruijanu is the extremely high rate of irreversible psychosis for longtime users. For example in England where it was semi-legalized there are now tens of thousands of severly insane people under the care of the state becuase marijuana use is so widespread.
Nonsence. Psychosis, schmosis!
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There is a proven link between marijuana use and schitzophrenia. It's really, really bad for this when used by adolescents. I saw a show on TV with colour medical imaging of adult brains versus adolescent ones. They were so different because of the massive chemical and hormonal changes going on in the latter.
B.S. Those people were going to be schizophrenic anyhow.
Oh, you saw a show on tv, it must be true!
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There is a proven link between marijuana use and schitzophrenia. It's really, really bad for this when used by adolescents. I saw a show on TV with colour medical imaging of adult brains versus adolescent ones. They were so different because of the massive chemical and hormonal changes going on in the latter.
B.S. Those people were going to be schizophrenic anyhow.
Oh, you saw a show on tv, it must be true!
Maybe, but research indicates that dope use increases ones chances of becoming schitzophrenic ten fold. If someone has some latent problem with the potential for phsycosis, dope will just agravate the problem.
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There is a proven link between marijuana use and schitzophrenia. It's really, really bad for this when used by adolescents. I saw a show on TV with colour medical imaging of adult brains versus adolescent ones. They were so different because of the massive chemical and hormonal changes going on in the latter.
B.S. Those people were going to be schizophrenic anyhow.
Oh, you saw a show on tv, it must be true!
Maybe, but research indicates that dope use increases ones chances of becoming schitzophrenic ten fold. If someone has some latent problem with the potential for phsycosis, dope will just agravate the problem.
I agree with the second sentence, not the first.
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THC is an obvious natural painkiller, like morphine, but we do not allow people to just grow opium poppies in their yards and slit the pods and collect the sap. I would not be against deriving an actual, legitimate injectable form of it.
That said, 99% of so-called medicinal weed advocates just want to legally get high. "Doctors" writing weed prescriptions for headaches, asthma (as if inhaling hot, tar-rich burning fumes makes your lungs better!), stress, etc.? What a joke. ::)
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THC is an obvious natural painkiller, like morphine, but we do not allow people to just grow opium poppies in their yards and slit the pods and collect the sap. I would not be against deriving an actual, legitimate injectable form of it.
That said, 99% of so-called medicinal weed advocates just want to legally get high. "Doctors" writing weed prescriptions for headaches, asthma (as if inhaling hot, tar-rich burning fumes makes your lungs better!), stress, etc.? What a joke. ::)
Pot is a benign substance.
If a person eats cannabis, that person gets intoxicated. If a person eats tobacco, that person DIES!
One substance is poisonous, the other is not.
Now, is SMOKING unhealthy? Yes. But not all substances are equal.
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No substance that produces intoxication is "benign". Neurotransmitters are poisoned to produce the buzz and artificially release dopamine. Pot has more cancer-causing agents than tobacco. Look at what chewing tobacco does to oral tissues...
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Pot has more cancer-causing agents than tobacco. Look at what chewing tobacco does to oral tissues...
These two statements contradict one another, sir.
I asked that you to meet me a long time ago and you chickened out.
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
If you were a REAL supporter of JTF you'd meet me.
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What did I said that was contradictory? And how did I chicken out?
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What did I said that was contradictory? And how did I chicken out?
Meet me.
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What did I said that was contradictory?
Re-read the post, CAREFULLY!
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What did I said that was contradictory?
Re-read the post, CAREFULLY!
Well?!
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Scriabin, I said that tobacco is VERY bad, and pot is worse. If eating tobacco is very bad, can you imagine eating cannabis?
As to your other beef, I never backed out of meeting you, and I couldn't, because we never set a date. I do like you, but if you continue to have hissyfits at me at random, I won't respond to you.
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Scriabin, I said that tobacco is VERY bad, and pot is worse. If eating tobacco is very bad, can you imagine eating cannabis?
As to your other beef, I never backed out of meeting you, and I couldn't, because we never set a date. I do like you, but if you continue to have hissyfits at me at random, I won't respond to you.
You're a coward. You make excuses.
I'll meet you anytime. I don't want to fight, I just want to make sure you're for REAL.
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
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I will not talk to persons who act like this. I actually did want to meet you someday, but I can't say that I do at the present.
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I will not talk to persons who act like this. I actually did want to meet you someday, but I can't say that I do at the present.
You're a troll.
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I want to meet for the GOOD OF JTF.
You want to play little games.
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You're full of it Chiamfan! What are you afraid of?
I thought you were interested in saving Western civilization.
Looks like you're only interested in typing into your computer.
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They taught me that marijuana doesn't have withdrawl symptoms so it isn't really addictive. But it is an hallucinogen and messes with your central nervous system so who knows what long term effects that will have on you. Also, it's used as a gateway drug to dangerous drugs like cocaine that easily can kill you even the first time using it.
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It's not addictive for the once in a blue moon user, But I've worked with young people who smoke lots of it and it gets really addictive if heavily used.
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It's not addictive for the once in a blue moon user, But I've worked with young people who smoke lots of it and it gets really addictive if heavily used.
Addictive, yes. But not even close to the danger level of cigarettes.
For the love of G-d, coffee and donuts are addictive, are they not?
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It's not addictive for the once in a blue moon user, But I've worked with young people who smoke lots of it and it gets really addictive if heavily used.
Addictive, yes. But not even close to the danger level of cigarettes.
For the love of G-d, coffee and donuts are addictive, are they not?
It's much worse than cigarettes.Dope is much higher in cancer causing tar. Nicotene is only dangerous in very high doses. in rerular doses it improves the memory. The drug in dope (forget the name ) is said to be far worse. At any rate, citing smokes and booze is a chestnut. Why legalise another drug?
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It's not addictive for the once in a blue moon user, But I've worked with young people who smoke lots of it and it gets really addictive if heavily used.
Addictive, yes. But not even close to the danger level of cigarettes.
For the love of G-d, coffee and donuts are addictive, are they not?
It's much worse than cigarettes.Dope is much higher in cancer causing tar. Nicotene is only dangerous in very high doses. in rerular doses it improves the memory. The drug in dope (forget the name ) is said to be far worse. At any rate, citing smokes and booze is a chestnut. Why legalise another drug?
NICOTENE causes cancer, not tar.
Why not make alcohol illegal. It kills A LOT of INNOCENT people.
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The delivery system for the nicotene cases the cancer...ie; tar and carbon monoxide. Booze like wine and beer are healthy in moderation. If you want to know the REAL reason they won't legalise dope.......... they havn't figured out how to regulate and tax it.
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Actually tar causes cancer, and dope has like 5 times more tar than cigarettes. Nicotine has absolutely zero adverse affects other than making cigarettes addictive and making you feel good.
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Actually tar causes cancer, and dope has like 5 times more tar than cigarettes. Nicotine has absolutely zero adverse affects other than making cigarettes addictive and making you feel good.
Why is it that eating an OUNCE of cannabis gets one intoxicated, while eating a GRAM of tobacco gets one KILLED?
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Actually tar causes cancer, and dope has like 5 times more tar than cigarettes. Nicotine has absolutely zero adverse affects other than making cigarettes addictive and making you feel good.
Why is it that eating an OUNCE of cannabis gets one intoxicated, while eating a GRAM of tobacco gets one KILLED?
Eating has nothing to do with smoking. And eating one ounce of tobacco won't kill you, a lot of people chew tobacco and I'm sure they end up swallowing a lot of it. Drinking 8 ounces of caffeine will also kill you by the way. Interesting that 41 cups of Starbucks Tall Coffee will kill you.
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Actually tar causes cancer, and dope has like 5 times more tar than cigarettes. Nicotine has absolutely zero adverse affects other than making cigarettes addictive and making you feel good.
Why is it that eating an OUNCE of cannabis gets one intoxicated, while eating a GRAM of tobacco gets one KILLED?
Eating has nothing to do with smoking. And eating one ounce of tobacco won't kill you, a lot of people chew tobacco and I'm sure they end up swallowing a lot of it. Drinking 8 ounces of caffeine will also kill you by th way.
Come now. Its called CHEWING tobacco, not SWALLOWING tobacco.
Believe me, if you were to eat the tobacco in one cigarette, it would at least make you VERY sick.
Eating an ounce of tobacco will kill a person twenty-times over.
Ask a doctor or some other authority. They'll tell you the same thing.
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Again, it is irrelevent since smoking something and eating it have different effects and we're talking about cancer and long term health risks here which is a chronic process. If you somehow manage to eat a toxic amount of tobacco, you won't die from cancer, you'd die from nicotine overdose. If you eat a toxic amount of nightshade, you'd die from atropine toxicity but the thing is not going to give you cancer. If you compare smoking weed chronically to smoking tobacco, weed has 5 times more tar in it so you'll probably die from bronchogenic carcinoma or from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease due to lung damage in either case. So it is not relevant comparing eating when we're talking about smoking here.
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Again, it is irrelevent since smoking something and eating it have different effects and we're talking about cancer and long term health risks here which is a chronic process. If you somehow manage to eat a toxic amount of tobacco, you won't die from cancer, you'd die from nicotine overdose. If you eat a toxic amount of nightshade, you'd die from atropine toxicity but the thing is not going to give you cancer. If you compare smoking weed chronically to smoking tobacco, weed has 5 times more tar in it so you'll probably die from bronchogenic carcinoma or from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease due to lung damage in either case. So it is not relevant comparing eating when we're talking about smoking here.
My point is that one is a benign substance and one is a poison.
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Again, it is irrelevent since smoking something and eating it have different effects and we're talking about cancer and long term health risks here which is a chronic process. If you somehow manage to eat a toxic amount of tobacco, you won't die from cancer, you'd die from nicotine overdose. If you eat a toxic amount of nightshade, you'd die from atropine toxicity but the thing is not going to give you cancer. If you compare smoking weed chronically to smoking tobacco, weed has 5 times more tar in it so you'll probably die from bronchogenic carcinoma or from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease due to lung damage in either case. So it is not relevant comparing eating when we're talking about smoking here.
My point is that one is a benign substance and one is a poison.
Drink 5 gallons of water and it will kill you, inject clean mountain air into your vein and it will kill you. The eating tobacco argument is a non starter.
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Again, it is irrelevent since smoking something and eating it have different effects and we're talking about cancer and long term health risks here which is a chronic process. If you somehow manage to eat a toxic amount of tobacco, you won't die from cancer, you'd die from nicotine overdose. If you eat a toxic amount of nightshade, you'd die from atropine toxicity but the thing is not going to give you cancer. If you compare smoking weed chronically to smoking tobacco, weed has 5 times more tar in it so you'll probably die from bronchogenic carcinoma or from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease due to lung damage in either case. So it is not relevant comparing eating when we're talking about smoking here.
My point is that one is a benign substance and one is a poison.
Drink 5 gallons of water and it will kill you, inject clean mountain air into your vein and it will kill you. The eating tobacco argument is a non starter.
Please. Eat an once of tobacco, Newman. Do us all a favor.
I'm sure you'll be fine. Go ahead, try it.
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You've missed the point again. I'm sure it wound kill me, but it aint meant to be eaten but smoked. My point is that your argument is null & void because many benign substances can kill if missused. ie: injecting air or excessive water consumption.
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Most of the illegal MIDGET Mexicans who arrive at the border are half-baked ... it's too bad they came when they were older, the White Man could have told the peasant SpicANOS too much after Supper gives you the munchies and stunts your growth.
DEPORT all immoral, Stoner, Substance-abusing, Crack Pipes !!
Drug Awareness Resistance Education !
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I am against it.
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I'm for it.
Marijuana can effectively alleviate the nausea associated with chemo-therapy.
It also has medicinal value when used to treat glaucoma.
There's no reason that people suffering from nausea as a result of chemotherapy, or those suffering from glaucoma, should be denied the benefits of this natural, inexpensive drug.
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All lies. Nausea associated with chemo-therapy can be treated with Ondansetron. Glaucoma already has many medications to treat it (way more effective than smoking weed) like muscarinic agonists, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, and beta blockers.
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What are the lies ?
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There's a drug called MARINOL on the market now for cancer patients that's manufactured from marijuana. I think it's illegal in some states but I know it's available in NY.
Having a drug like this on the market seems like a good compromise to both arguments, for and against.
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There's a drug called MARINOL on the market now for cancer patients that's manufactured from marijuana. I think it's illegal in some states but I know it's available in NY.
Having a drug like this on the market seems like a good compromise to both arguments, for and against.
Welcome back, Patches!
Where have you been?
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Patches! WELCOME BACK!
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Oh, I like to read the forum more than posting nowadays. Thanks for the welcomes, though.
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Nope I don't believe it should be legal- period.
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My mother has MS as well. My stance on marijuana is that it's just a plant, as long as it's not affecting others, I don't see any reason why it should be banned.
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Nope I don't believe it should be legal- period.
Then niether should alcohol or cigarettes.
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My mother has MS as well. My stance on marijuana is that it's just a plant, as long as it's not affecting others, I don't see any reason why it should be banned.
The reason that marijuana is illegal has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with ignorance.
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My mother has MS as well. My stance on marijuana is that it's just a plant, as long as it's not affecting others, I don't see any reason why it should be banned.
The reason that marijuana is illegal has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with ignorance.
Wasn't it due to the government not being able to tax it?
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My mother has MS as well. My stance on marijuana is that it's just a plant, as long as it's not affecting others, I don't see any reason why it should be banned.
The reason that marijuana is illegal has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with ignorance.
Wasn't it due to the government not being able to tax it?
No. If it was legal, they could tax it.
It has to do with William Randolph Hearst and the issue of hemp vs. lumber in paper manufacturing.
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I think it shoud be legalised; just to starve off the mafias and goverment agencies who lives form phony "war on drugs" like ATF and DEA; I want to instead have right to beat the s... out of my kid when he smoke a cigarette, get drunk ot touch any drugs.
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I'm not sure if it really helps the patient. So, I'm against it.