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Title: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on June 22, 2007, 01:31:33 AM
....and IF we should, how do you go about it without sounding like a jew-hater who wants them out?
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on June 22, 2007, 02:18:10 AM
It's hard though.....we love them and don't want them to leave us. They're our best and brightest and our nation will be poorer without them. :'(
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 02:19:51 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends.  

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on June 22, 2007, 02:38:03 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends.  

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
Must be some serious $$ in piano teaching.  :laugh:

It's not hard to know more about judaism than secular jews. Most of the self-haters in diaspora wouldn't know Torah if one jumped off the bookshelf and bit 'em on the tuchus.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 02:39:08 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends.  

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
Must be some serious $$ in piano teaching.  :laugh:


Only for GREAT teachers.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 04:17:59 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.


I thought you lived in California.



I do.

I lived in NYC (Sunnyside, Queens) for one year (2003-2004) while attending music school.

That's where I discovered JTF.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on June 22, 2007, 04:28:51 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.


I thought you lived in California.



I do.

I lived in NYC (Sunnyside, Queens) for one year (2003-2004) while attending music school.

That's where I discovered JTF.

AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 04:32:32 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.


I thought you lived in California.




I do.

I lived in NYC (Sunnyside, Queens) for one year (2003-2004) while attending music school.

That's where I discovered JTF.

AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:

I'm an INTELLECTUAL.  Not a mere musician.

What or who are C and W?
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on June 22, 2007, 04:39:35 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.


I thought you lived in California.




I do.

I lived in NYC (Sunnyside, Queens) for one year (2003-2004) while attending music school.

That's where I discovered JTF.

AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:

I'm an INTELLECTUAL.  Not a mere musician.

What or who are C and W?

......Country & western of coarse. Yeeeeee Haaaaa!
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: OdKahaneChai on June 22, 2007, 04:40:16 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 04:43:32 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?

He's comfortable in his job/position in life. 

He loves NYC and the admiration he receives from his students and colleagues.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: OdKahaneChai on June 22, 2007, 04:49:00 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?

He's comfortable in his job/position in life. 

He loves NYC and the admiration he receives from his students and colleagues.
That was supposed to be a really cheesy joke.   I'm not quite sure you got it...
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 04:51:00 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?

He's comfortable in his job/position in life. 

He loves NYC and the admiration he receives from his students and colleagues.
That was supposed to be a really cheesy joke.   I'm not quite sure you got it...

Of course I got it.

I'm not some simpleton!

YOU asked, "Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?".
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on June 22, 2007, 04:53:05 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?
I've long suspected that many bleeding heart, left bed wetters are phonies and only espouse their half-baked ideas to get on at the liberal arts faculty or the hollywood parties. Look at all the anti-gun idiots who are found to own hanguns, assault weapons and concealed carry permits.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: OdKahaneChai on June 22, 2007, 05:05:11 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?

He's comfortable in his job/position in life. 

He loves NYC and the admiration he receives from his students and colleagues.
That was supposed to be a really cheesy joke.   I'm not quite sure you got it...

Of course I got it.

I'm not some simpleton!

YOU asked, "Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?".
Oh.  Ok.

What is this?

Are you twelve years old?
What is what?

And you're very close.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on June 22, 2007, 05:07:46 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
I hope he can breath in that closet!  Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?

He's comfortable in his job/position in life. 

He loves NYC and the admiration he receives from his students and colleagues.
That was supposed to be a really cheesy joke.   I'm not quite sure you got it...

Of course I got it.

I'm not some simpleton!

YOU asked, "Why does his opinion suddenly change once he leaves it?".
Oh.  Ok.

What is this?

Are you twelve years old?
What is what?

And you're very close.

If you're young, I apologize.  I assume that everyone on this forum is at least in their twenties.

You must be brilliant if you're as young as you say you are.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: HECKLER on July 01, 2007, 08:17:50 AM
My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends.  

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.
Must be some serious $$ in piano teaching.  :laugh:

You just have to teach the right people with the biggest bank accounts. They will pay anything to look good.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: genteelgentile on July 03, 2007, 08:49:45 PM
I know about how Jews are supposed to go to their own nation, but my selfishness makes me feel sad at the thought of Jews leaving.  The nicest part of my city is significantly Jewish, and it is cool to be there on a Friday night seeing all the people walking around with their families.  Now they mostly keep to themselves, but you can tell these people care about family life.  The neighborhood is clean and safe.  Maybe this is getting away from what this topic was originally about, but it goes to show that Jews make things better.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: ScotcH on July 04, 2007, 09:07:07 AM
Jews should all return to biblical Israel !
Righteous Warrior Gentiles should help guard the gates of Israel once the nation is reestablished the way in was in the beginnings of Judaism.
A better Israel will naturally make a better world !
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Dan on July 04, 2007, 09:32:44 AM
Yes, I also agree that Jews should be in the land of Israel.
Whenever I pass by the Jewish section in Brooklyn and see all the big furry hats Jews walking about , I wonder how they would do in the land of Israel. They have transformed a part of Brooklyn that was once destroyed by Black Savages and other low life scum into a clean and livable area. I wonder what they would have been able to do if they returned back to Israel. I would hate to see them go BUT its what G-d wants not what the people desire that matters!
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
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My piano teacher is Jewish, he lives on the upper west side.  I've convinced him that I know more about Judaism than some of his Jewish friends. 

He likes JTF and Rabbi Kahane, but from the closet.


I thought you lived in California.




I do.

I lived in NYC (Sunnyside, Queens) for one year ) while attending music school.

That's where I discovered JTF.

AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:

I'm an INTELLECTUAL.  Not a mere musician.

What or who are C and W?

......Country & western of coarse. Yeeeeee Haaaaa!

Right.  C&W musicians are pant dropping, beer drinking rednecks. ;D
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: newman on July 12, 2007, 02:44:29 PM
And they fix everything with duct tape :laugh:
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Shlomo on July 12, 2007, 08:43:45 PM
AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:

Hey now... what's wrong with musicians? Not all musicians are pot smoking hippies.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on July 12, 2007, 08:58:56 PM
AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:

Hey now... what's wrong with musicians? Not all musicians are pot smoking hippies.

Music is one of the most powerful forces for good in our World.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Joe Schmo on July 12, 2007, 09:06:31 PM

AH HA!! A musician!! :D

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies

The people you speak of are amateurs.

Listen to the master and be humble, grasshopper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIsXmOHo7EA
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: nessuno on July 12, 2007, 09:27:37 PM
AH HA!! A musician!! :D

That explains the marijuana preoccupation. ::)

All musicians are shirt-lifting, pot smoking hippies!...except C&W :laugh:

Hey now... what's wrong with musicians? Not all musicians are pot smoking hippies.

Music is one of the most powerful forces for good in our World.
It sure makes my life a whole lot happier  :)
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on July 12, 2007, 09:48:12 PM
I don’t think that righteous gentiles should encourage Jews to make Aliyah.

I know hundreds of Jews who did move to Israel, but then fled to either the US or Canada. Thus except for Satmars, the rest of Jews would move to Israel, if the situation there was not as tragic as it is today.

I think righteous gentiles should provide international support to the Jews to throw Arabs out and as far from the Land of Israel as possible.

I promise you, on the next day that Arabs are out of Israel, 1/3 of all Jews in Diaspora will be home.

On the next day after Israel becomes a truly Jewish state, another 1/3 will come.

And, finally, on the day that Israel becomes energy-independent 99% of Jews will be home.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Shlomo on July 13, 2007, 12:17:10 AM
I think the Hebrew language barrier is part of the problem.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on July 13, 2007, 12:25:54 AM
I think the Hebrew language barrier is part of the problem.

Honey can not be a barrier.
Title: Re: Should righteous gentiles encourage jews to make aliyah?
Post by: Shlomo on July 13, 2007, 12:38:17 AM
Let me rephrase that... the LACK OF KNOWLEDGE of Hebrew can make it really hard to find a job and obtain an income. lol

I was going to make a joke about a wall of hungry bears who love honey, but I resisted.