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Neamatullah has given detailed genealogical accounts of several Pashtun tribes, tracing their descent from Qais Abdul Rasheed, who himself is said to have sprung from the line of Jacob (Israel) in his Tarikh-i-Khan-i-Jahani wa Makhzan-i-Afghani (AH 1021/ 1612 CE). Completed at Burhanpur, it gives an account of the Afghans, particularly the Lodis and the Surs. Naematullah writes:
…Khaled sent a letter to the Afghans who had settled in the mountainous countries around Ghor ever since the time of the expulsion of the Israelites by Bokhtnasser, and informed them of the appearance of the last of the Prophets. When this letter reached them, several of their chiefs departed from Medina; the mightiest of them, and of the Afghan people, was Kais, whose pedigree ascends in a series of thirty-seven degrees to Talut, of forty-five to Ibrahim…
Naematullah was the first historian to present a systematic genealogical table of Pashtuns from Israel/Jacob. Less than ten years before the compilation of Tarikh-e-Khan-e-Jahani, another scholar Akhund Darwiza had declared the Pashtuns to be Israelites in his Tadhkirat al-Abrar (an account of his adventures in Afghan territories) in 1611 CE.
Even before the political rise of Afghans Kingdom, Hamidullah Mustawfi had speculated that they were most likely Israelites in his monumental work Tarikh-e-Guzeedah (AH 730/1326 CE), as stated by Neamatullah. This is a general historical account dedicated to Khwaja Ghiyasuddin Muhammad, son and successor of Rashiduddin Fazlullah, and deals with the Mongols of Persia (modern Iran) and modern Trans-Oxiana.
Sheikh Mali of the Yusufzai tribe wrote in Pushto a book on the Israelite descent of the Pashtuns between AH 816/1409 CE and AH 828/1412 CE. Another work in Pushto on the same subject is ascribed to Khan Kaju, written in circa AH 900/1493 CE. Upon these two works were based Tarikh-e-Hafiz Rahmat and Khulasat al-Ansab of Hafiz Rahmat Khan. Minhaj-i-Siraj Jurjari, who had close contact with the Ghurids and held posts of qazi (qadi), khatib, sadr-i-jahan and principal of the Nasiriya Madrassa, wrote in his Tabaqat-i-Nasiri (1259-60 CE), “In the time of the Shansbani dynasty there were people called Bani Israel living in Ghor,” and that “some of them were extensively engaged in trade with the neighbouring countries.” Tabaqat-i-Nasiri is an encyclopaedic history from the patriarchs and prophets, viz., Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to the time of Nasiruddin Mahmud. It is an invaluable source of information for the history of the early Turkish sultans and their maliks and amirs. Abu Sulayman Daud’s Rauza-ul-Bab Twarikh-ul-Akbar-wal-Ansab (The Garden of the Learned in the History of Great Men and Genealogies) (AH 717/1310 CE) is considered the earliest work on the subject of the Israelite origin of Afridi/Pathans.
Again, "In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried ...Israel away unto Assyria, and placed them in Halah, and in Habor, on the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes." (Melachim 2 16:6) on the river of Gozan! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amu_Darya defines - Hebrew: גּוֹזָן, Gozan. Historians tell us that one of the most ancient names for the Oxus or Amu in ancient Afghanistan was Gozan. And were brought into Halah (modern day Balkh), and Habor (which is Pesh Habor or Peshawar), and Hara (which is Herat). http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/08/ajb/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Amu_Darya.html In ancient Afghanistan, the river was also called Gozan, descriptions of which can be found in the book "The Kingdom of Afghanistan: a historical sketch By George Passman Tate" So through references grounded in history and fact we come to modern day Afghanistan.
"Also the tribal name are similar to the Sons of Jacob. Yusufzai -Children of Yosef; Afridi - Ephrayim; Rabbani - Reuven; Shinwari - Shim'on; Lewani - Levi, Daftani - Naphtali, Gaji/Gadoon - Gad; Mushahar - Manasseh; Abdali - Naphtali; Zamand - Zebulon; and Ashurai - Asher"
And so I'll review, Midieval Persian texts written by Muslim scholars refer to the Israelite origin of Pashtuns, who mainly inhabit the hill country from the eastern spurs of the Safed Koh to the borders of the Peshawar district in Pakistan. A number of Pathan historians subscribe to the theory of the Israelite origin of the Afghans. The first among them to trace the genealogy to Israel was Khwaja Neamatullah. Malik Ahmad, entitled Khan Jahan Lodi, asked his secretary Khwaja Neamatullah Harawi to compile a complete account of the history of Pashtuns. Neamatullah sent five historians, viz., Qutb Khan, Sarmast Khan Abdali, Hamza Khan, Umar Khan Kakarr and Zarif Khan, to the Tribal territories in AH 1030/1621 CE to investigate the descent of Afghans. This eventually led to the compilation of Mirat-al-Afghani, according to which Afghans/Pashtuns/Pathans are Israelites.
"thus saith the Jehovah God: Behold, here am I, and I will search for My sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are separated, so will I seek out My sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the day of clouds and thick darkness. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the habitable places of the country. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be; there shall they lie down in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel." (Yechezchial 33:11-15) Save your brethren.
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Who do they consider 'last of the prophets'? The Jewish people consider Malachi to be the last Prophet of Israel.
http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/end-prophecy-malachis-position-spiritual-developmen
G-d communicated to people through prophecy for nearly the entire biblical period, from Adam until Malachi. According to a prevalent Jewish tradition, prophecy ceased with Malachi, not to be renewed until the messianic age. In this article, we will consider a few traditional explanations of why prophecy ceased and some spiritual implications for Judaism over the ensuing 2,500 years and counting.
This PDF indicates that they are muslims who may have had Jewish roots..
http://www.torahohr.net/Articles/Are_the_Pathans_Jewish[2].pdf_1193597781.pdf
Even though the Pathans accepted Islam voluntarily and forcibly, they maintain Jewish customs preserved from the recesses of their past. The book contains considerable evidence taken from Jews of Afghanistan who lived in the neighbourhoods of the Pathans and had contact with them. The evidence doesn't relate to all the Pathans or to all the tribes and places. However, it does prove the existence of Jewish customs among the Pathans. The research on this subject still requires completion, both quantitative and qualitative. Let us note the customs in headline form only: sidelock, circumcision within eight days, a Talith (prayer shawl) and four fringes (Tsitsit), a Jewish wedding (Hupah and ring), women's customs (immersion in a river or spring), levirate marriage (Yibum), honouring the father, forbidden foods (horse and camel food), refraining from cooking meat and milk, a tradition of clean and unclean poultry, the Shabbat (preparation of 12 Hallah loaves, refraining from work), lighting a candle in honour of the Shabbat, the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) prayer (some of them pray turned in the direction of Jerusalem), blood on the threshold and on the two Mezzuzot (in times of plague or trouble), a scapegoat, curing the ill with the help of the Book of Psalms (placing the Book under the patient's head), a Hebrew amulet (Kamia), Hebrew names (also. for neighbourhoods and villages), Holy Books (they especially honour 'the Law of Sharif' which is the
Law of Moses), and rising when the name of Moshe is mentioned.
As for the Pathan law, they have laws similar to the Jewish law. The Magen David symbol is found in almost every Pathan house on an island in the Pehshauor district. The rich make it of expensive metals, the poor from simple wood. The Magen David can be seen on the towers of schools and on tools and ornaments.
There may be some connection to the Jewish people if these customs are alive today...
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They are quranimals so to them Muhammad yimach schmo is the last prophet. They speak an Iranian language and most likely their genetic mix is mostly Iranian and maybe they a trace of Jewish genetics, and a trace of Hebrew words and traditions.
These people are one of the cruelest, evil, sadistic societies on the face of the earth.
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They are quranimals so to them Muhammad yimach schmo is the last prophet. They speak an Iranian language and most likely their genetic mix is mostly Iranian and maybe they a trace of Jewish genetics, and a trace of Hebrew words and traditions.
These people are one of the cruelest, evil, sadistic societies on the face of the earth.
Even if they are Jews their evilness knows no bounds especially since i read they converted to qurananimlsm for money.They are now full fledged qurananimals
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Another hoax perpetrated by the muslamics.
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More *I wrote this for my notes on facebook*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_oMp8I-k8
The ten Tribes of the Kingdom of Israel where deposed in the years 3024-3030 by Assyria. There location of exile was documented 4 times by our Navium and scribes. (2Kings17:29, 2Kings17:5-6, 2Kings18:11, 1Chronicles5:26) The description records Israel in Halah, and in Habor, on the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. Now the homeland of the Maji lays past the accent Persians what is today know as Iran. So our search would take us to the country's of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Following our guide, the scriptures, we look for an accent waterway. The most prominent system in the area is titled Amu Darya but brushing off the dust of history we reveal that once it was actually called Gozan. Throwout the country there are several tribes the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Gajars, the Hazaras but, one group is quite interesting the Pashtuns (People of the tents). They hold a complex code of ethics, pashtunwali which have no apparent connection to islam the main religion of the area. This standard isn't shared by other peoples of the region it as-well hold many stipulation also found in the Torah. These include exacting standards for hospitality as the requirement that a man marries his brother’s widow. There women light candles before nightfall of the day of rest (saturday). They hold cites of refuge for the innocent who may have took a life. The prayer shawls worn are called tolia not unlike out tallits. many of the words in the language of Pashto are not related to any other language in the region (similar as how Ladino and Yiddish devolved). Even there national symbol is identical to the five star Menorah of the Holy Temple. There have been numerous historians who have wrote upon this subject documenting a monotheistic faith before the sword of islam and, attesting to the presence of the lost tribes. Also the tribal name are similar to the Sons of Jacob. Yusufzai -Children of Yosef; Afridi - Ephrayim; Rabbani - Reuven; Shinwari - Shim'on; Lewani - Levi, Daftani - Naphtali, Gaji/Gadoon - Gad; Mushahar - Manasseh; Abdali - Naphtali; Zamand - Zebulon; and Ashurai - Asher. In accord with accent tradition there very people recognize themselves as Beni Israeli or the Sons of Israel.
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It appears that only one other member of this board cares about God's People. (Tragedy)
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Please do not have faith on the muslamics. They can even connect Md(pbuh) anywhere for the sake of their global jihadi interests.
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More *I wrote this for my notes on facebook*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_oMp8I-k8
The ten Tribes of the Kingdom of Israel where deposed in the years 3024-3030 by Assyria. There location of exile was documented 4 times by our Navium and scribes. (2Kings17:29, 2Kings17:5-6, 2Kings18:11, 1Chronicles5:26) The description records Israel in Halah, and in Habor, on the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. Now the homeland of the Maji lays past the accent Persians what is today know as Iran. So our search would take us to the country's of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Following our guide, the scriptures, we look for an accent waterway. The most prominent system in the area is titled Amu Darya but brushing off the dust of history we reveal that once it was actually called Gozan. Throwout the country there are several tribes the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Gajars, the Hazaras but, one group is quite interesting the Pashtuns (People of the tents). They hold a complex code of ethics, pashtunwali which have no apparent connection to islam the main religion of the area. This standard isn't shared by other peoples of the region it as-well hold many stipulation also found in the Torah. These include exacting standards for hospitality as the requirement that a man marries his brother’s widow. There women light candles before nightfall of the day of rest (saturday). They hold cites of refuge for the innocent who may have took a life. The prayer shawls worn are called tolia not unlike out tallits. many of the words in the language of Pashto are not related to any other language in the region (similar as how Ladino and Yiddish devolved). Even there national symbol is identical to the five star Menorah of the Holy Temple. There have been numerous historians who have wrote upon this subject documenting a monotheistic faith before the sword of islam and, attesting to the presence of the lost tribes. Also the tribal name are similar to the Sons of Jacob. Yusufzai -Children of Yosef; Afridi - Ephrayim; Rabbani - Reuven; Shinwari - Shim'on; Lewani - Levi, Daftani - Naphtali, Gaji/Gadoon - Gad; Mushahar - Manasseh; Abdali - Naphtali; Zamand - Zebulon; and Ashurai - Asher. In accord with accent tradition there very people recognize themselves as Beni Israeli or the Sons of Israel.
But they wouldn't be Israelites they would be Jews from the tribe of Judah because a son of Shlomo Ha'melech would be Jewish from the tribe of Judah
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Their are some faults here and about them supposedly keeping Torah law. For example "modesty" yes we have it, but not that way. Women are not allowed to cover their faces. Also 4:53 about adultery- what he is saying IS NOT BIBLICAL at all. We never put to death just for suspicion. Also we do not and are not allowed to bring sacrifices outside Jerusalem's Holy Temple (May it speedily be rebuilt very soon)
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:::D lol look at this "10 of the tribes REMAINED Muslim, the other group left islam and became Jews"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2Svcv321A&feature=related
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Also about him saying their not being Kohanim. Really? We have many Kohanim within the Jewish people today. Some places have more (Bukharian and Persian Jews) other places have less (Askenasim) but within each Jewish group their are Kohanim.
- And he contradicts himself in saying that they keep the "Biblical laws without the Rabbinic softening of it, eye for an eye....." at 5:00. BUT then he speaks about them lighting candles on Friday, which is a Rabbinic commandment. Its like the "jews for yoshka" where they say they follow the Written and not the Oral Torah, yett they keep things like Hannukah and Purim (which are Rabbinic" yett breat Shabbath which is "Biblical" (and in the 10 Commandments).
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Also about him saying their not being Kohanim. Really? We have many Kohanim within the Jewish people today. Some places have more (Bukharian and Persian Jews) other places have less (Askenasim) but within each Jewish group their are Kohanim.
- And he contradicts himself in saying that they keep the "Biblical laws without the Rabbinic softening of it, eye for an eye....." at 5:00. BUT then he speaks about them lighting candles on Friday, which is a Rabbinic commandment. Its like the "jews for yoshka" where they say they follow the Written and not the Oral Torah, yett they keep things like Hannukah and Purim (which are Rabbinic" yett breat Shabbath which is "Biblical" (and in the 10 Commandments).
Yes, that is very dubious. The 'eye for eye' {midah keneged midah} never was intended to be taken literally. This is why the Torah spends a great deal of time explaining the laws of interpersonal relations.
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+ I hear these types of things many times. Everyone trying to trace their ancestors to Israel. For example I heard it claimed for American Indians, blacks making such claims, some Europeans as well. Also Japanese, and others just because their might be some similar sounding names, etc. (By the way some of those names are preposterous). Just because some group does something similar doesn't mean its them. For example animal sacrifices in this video, besides it being forbidden outside Jerusalem (but one can claim, as said in the Tannach that they rebelled and made their own Mountain) their were MANY tribes and nations which brought animal sacrifices. Perhaps almost everyone. Today it seems strange, but knowing history we know it to be the case. It was universal.
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But they wouldn't be Israelites they would be Jews from the tribe of Judah because a son of Shlomo Ha'melech would be Jewish from the tribe of Judah
I agree Mord, Jews are from the tribe of Judah, right? Everyone Right?
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+ I hear these types of things many times. Everyone trying to trace their ancestors to Israel. For example I heard it claimed for American Indians, blacks making such claims, some Europeans as well. Also Japanese, and others just because their might be some similar sounding names, etc. (By the way some of those names are preposterous). Just because some group does something similar doesn't mean its them. For example animal sacrifices in this video, besides it being forbidden outside Jerusalem (but one can claim, as said in the Tannach that they rebelled and made their own Mountain) their were MANY tribes and nations which brought animal sacrifices. Perhaps almost everyone. Today it seems strange, but knowing history we know it to be the case. It was universal.
This topic is very interesting... The lost tribes are not Jews anymore(were they Jews in the first place or would they be considered the branch of Ephriam?), so where are they? Are they ever coming back? Will the Messiah say... You, you ,and you come with me? What about the DNA evidence from Rabbi Brody? What about all the Hebrew stones found in Natives burial mounds?
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This topic is very interesting... The lost tribes are not Jews anymore(were they Jews in the first place or would they be considered the branch of Ephriam?), so where are they? Are they ever coming back? Will the Messiah say... You, you ,and you come with me? What about the DNA evidence from Rabbi Brody? What about all the Hebrew stones found in Natives burial mounds?
I have heard that Rabbi Brody supports the claim that there are some native Indian tribes which may have connections to the lost tribes. What he states is not the mainstream belief and it will require more evidence if he wishes to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is true. I take this belief with a grain of salt as there are many claims by many peoples to have connections to the Israelite nation.
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I have heard that Rabbi Brody supports the claim that there are some native Indian tribes which may have connections to the lost tribes. What he states is not the mainstream belief and it will require more evidence if he wishes to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is true. I take this belief with a grain of salt as there are many claims by many peoples to have connections to the Israelite nation.
Thanks Muman!
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This topic is very interesting... The lost tribes are not Jews anymore(were they Jews in the first place or would they be considered the branch of Ephriam?), so where are they? Are they ever coming back? Will the Messiah say... You, you ,and you come with me? What about the DNA evidence from Rabbi Brody? What about all the Hebrew stones found in Natives burial mounds?
We do not know for certain. Within Jews for sure are at least 3 tribes- Judah, Benjamin (as we see from Purim Mordechai's geneology is given, but he is called an Ish (man) Yehudi (Jew) because part of the Kingdom of Judah. Also Yehudah (Judah) as obvious + Lewi (included in them the Kohanim) which both were scattered everywhere. Also Perhaps Shimon as well because the territory of Shimon was part of Yehudah in the south. Soo that is 4 (or 3 full + 1 partly-Lewi which were scattered everywhere) of tribes. Then perhaps some of the people within the other tribes fled from the north to the south of the country to the kingdom of Yehuda. That is very possible as well.
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Thank you tag!
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:::D lol look at this "10 of the tribes REMAINED Muslim, the other group left islam and became Jews"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2Svcv321A&feature=related
Yes that is amusing remained muslim when did moe appear on the scene about 600ad when did the 12 tribes of Israel appear as Jews about 2000 rs before.
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A Jew is a place name originating from those who resided under the Kingdom of Judah. The tribes Yehuda, Benjamin, and some from the people of Levi would be today recognized as modern day Jew. The first time the word was mentioned in the Tanakh is in Jeremiah Chapter 34:9 "that none should make bondmen of them, even of a Jew his brother;" The tern has come to be synoptic with the Sons of Israel who worship the Lord Almighty.
(I do not wish to vindicate the author of the video I posted prior, it was just a reference. Chew the meat spit out the bones)
Title: A Jew and a Pashtun
(here is a conversation I and another partook earlier this year)
Mujahideen- Dear Sephirath what is your connection to Pashtuns,.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sephirath- ...... https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=283118848378672
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Sephirath- What are you thinking?
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Mujahideen- Well I have read many theories about the relationship of Pashtuns to the ancient tribes of Israel, therefore most of it was not new to me nonetheless it has been well written. Sephrath, there has been a great deal of promotion of Pashtun roots in Israel, also many Jews that I have spoken to want to unite Pashtuns and Jews as is promised by the Torah. What do you think about this ideology?
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Sephirath- Kashmir and the, Pashtuns make up the lost descendants of Abraham (Possibly Rroma also). All the rest who claim have no historic and cultural connection to 'The Chosen People'. From the British, Teutonic, Lemba, Chinese, Scythian, Spartans, Kurds, Japanese, Irish, and even the American Indians. All tongs wish to proclaim themselves favored yet they hold no concern for sinning.
In time The Almighty Hashem will ajoin the houses back again. Yet what must first come is the Lords Kingdom unto the Holy Land. The armies of Heaven will redeem Jerusalem from those who rebel against his word. Only then will the Tribes of G-d be united to bring righteousness unto this World. Once brought back to Zion the creator will reveal the perfect path.
I do wonder thou how the Pashtuns look at the whole matter.
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Mujahideen- Your question can be answered from different prospectives. Firts there is the Religious one, then the political one and thirdly there is the answer from the perspective of Pashtunwali. Since we speak of a religious point of view, I will first provide you with a religious perspective. Please do understand that most Pashtuns in Pashtun heartland are highly religious like orthodox jews. We therefore believe in G-d and what G-d has offered us in the authentic holy books and by that we obey, what ever G-d has written for his people we accept and we will follow, however I don't think this could be otherwise since G-d almighty can do whatever he pleases. He can bring together the most defined enemies and breach the friendship of the closest of frienships. We the people of Pashtunistan will follow G-d's will wherevere it may lay. Have I answered you question to satisfaction.
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Sephirath- If I was in Pashtunistan would the Taliban see me as an enemy?
What do you make of this Hadith (Abu Hurayah) "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, so that Jews will hide behind stones and trees and the Stone and the tree will say, O Muslim, O servant of G-d! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."
This verse clearly comes from a jealous and angry fool for it goes against Gods word itself. When Hashem blessed Abraham and his faithful descendants saying he will shine favor upon us forever.
Berishit 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed."
What must happen is the 7th century document called the Koran has to be burned. Then the people realize that the Tribal Law called Pashtunwali is the same as Torah. Only by obeying the commandments brought down by Moses will the World learn justice
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Sephirath- So to conclude my question of "how (do) the Pashtuns look at the whole matter.(?)" So do the Pastuns see the Jews as brothers or enemies? Since most of the Muslim World wishes all Israel to be destroyed. I have talked to others but none wish to fight this question. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mujahideen- Sorry for the late reply exams and thesis are giving me a hard time, I hope you will understand.
Getting back to your questions I have to say that Taliban will in first instance not see you as a enemy. Why? because it is in our nature and culture to welcome our guest according to the highest value of hospitality. If you would visit Pashtunistan and present yourself as a friend or even better as someone who has the same Abrahamic(Efrahim) bloodline then surely you will be welcomed. During the Taliban era there were jews living in Afghanistan and they were not killed or tortured or mistreated because it is against Islamic provisions and Pashtunwali. Do understand that we have had many synagogues in Pashtunistan and the people knew about them and the people who were visiting them yet they were not bothered. The conception that Pashtuns hate jews has been overrated and is actualy established when the Arabs influenced our perspective of jews and more so when Pakistan was created and Pashtunistan divided. The Punjabi government of Pakistan has done alot since its creation to keep Pashtuns ignorant of their heritage, culture and language. They have invested in islamic schools which do not represent core Islamic values at all and are actually not more than hate campaign institutions. Today
My answer to The hadith over the "last hour" will never be satisfactory due to extensive research and understanding that one has to conduct before one can explain. Nonetheless I wish to advise you, if may be so free, that when and where you talk to people with other religions, whatever it may be talk in a respectable manner and accept the idea that their opinion might differ from yours.
Let me assure you that the Pashtun population will not abandon Islam, unless something really unbelieveable happens, and yes they mistrust Zionist regim of Israel (not to be seen as equal to every jew, I am now talking about zionists), due to the attacks on Palestinians --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mujahideen- It is true that Most Muslims dont want a jewish state like some orthodox jews who share the same opinion based on Jewish divine law. Please have a look at the following site http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/response.cfm which is made by orthodox jews and describes the Zionist ideology and its missconception to say the least of the law of Moses. Pashtuns therefore have nothing against the Jews as is perscribed by the Sunna and the Koran the jew and Christians that follow their religion2:62.
2:62 Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in G-d and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Others include; 3:64, 3:199, 582, 5:46
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Mujahideen- The question on religious front might be to different and maybe we should say "we agree to disagree" what is relevant though for both nations is that the jews and the Pashtuns find a common ground of understanding which means that we should elaborate on our common heritage, see where we are alike and where not. Do realise that the enemies of Israel are just as much the enemies of Pashtuns. A political co-operation could evolve if both groups would be open for it the thing is I am sure Pashtuns will be but I don't see Israel being so warm to the idea to accept Pashtuns as a partner. What do you think? Am I wrong in my perseption over Israel and its policies.
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Mujahideen- *Perception
If Israel would help unite Pashtuns and re-establish Pashtunistan, we would definitely have a different view of Israel and surely a healthy and prosperous reationship would emerge.
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Sephirath- ...I had to muse on these Ideals,
My anger towards the words of the hadith lyes in self preservation. Imagine if an entity with one billion (1,000,000,000) adherents declarers that all Pashtuns must be murdered. Do you see the irrationality of this perspective (being there are no evils). Considering the fact of our common heritage, this notion isn't to unrealistic. I guarantee you once the truth of Pashtun royal blood is revealed all the World will turn on you also (as if it already hasn't). The jealously of the nations is too grate to concern whether your muslim, christian, hindu, or atheist. This is my explanation to the American and nato forces present in Afghanistan. First- understanding the origins of engaging in war was based of false pretenses. Secondly- as they claim to be nation building while launching missiles upon cities turning buildings into rubble (as Herat). Thirdly- the military pathology targets only Pashtunistan. As Warziristan weekly being bombarded with drone attracts. The whole situation (seemingly with no motivation) is wild. Only by looking throw this spectrum (antisemitism) does this subject come to some reason. That being complete irrational hatred from the Anglo Empire (USA + Europe). These descendants of Jepeth have continuously been wicked to Israel. From everyone that suffocated in the gas chambers, to everyone whose backs got riddles with shekel size bullet-holes before dropping into a lifeless pit of body's, to everyone whose skin melted off their carcass like plastic in the ovens, to all of our four-fathers who stood up in the name of the one and only G-d and paid with their flesh and soul for there dedication. Continuously pushing pogrums, genocides and, holocausts.. all being supported by the state.
Now upon the Zionism and Palestinian conflict subject. If you read any book before 1967 you should find it interesting that the term Palestinian is directed at Jews not Arabs. Belive it, not one mention of any autonomous peoples named the Palestinian's ever existed in this region. The facts are that a remnant of Abraham's seed has lived in the Holy Land for 3400 years. There has been a presence of the Sons of Jacob seine the days Yehosuah liberated Zion. From the time of Moses, to the Prophets, and right into the present day. In 1948 (5708 Hebrew year) only 1/6th of 1% of what is called the Middle East was allotted to form the Jewish state. The day after deceleration of statehood, five surrounding nations simultaneously attacked the new found nation. The local Arabs were told to abandoned there homes and claim the booty on victory. Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and, Iraq promised to butcher those of Jehuda, Benjamine and, Simion in a few weeks. With well equipt troops the ajoined countries stormed the front of Israels boarder, surpassing some 90,000 men in rank. While near 30,000 poorly armed Jews rose up and smashed the onslaught. After the defeat no nation would accept the Arab refuges as citizens, thus the creation of the camps. Not to this day would any surrounding states integrate these people into there societies. Often from mainstream media you hear of "occupied territories" yet after the War of Liberation when Jordan annexed these properties not once did you catch wind of the saying. There was no outcry that Judea and Samaria should be turned into another Arab state. In-fact, even before the State of Israel the United Nations had allotted land to these peoples so to create a government yet they refused! Not only once have they agreed in the liberty to manage themselves. Still today Israel provides food, raiment's, electricity, water, medical, Garbage disposal, ect. Even while Hamas rains thousand of missiles the State of Israel delivers 743,456 tones (1,480,912,000 pounds) of imports yearly. Since 2001 nearly 8,600 rockets have landed on Jewish houses, shops and, schools. Doing the math for you that's 2.35 qassams launches daily. The PLO, Hamas, Hezbolah and, every coalition surrounding (or other wise seemingly) whole agenda is to annihilate The Chosen People. Don't be fooled when they speak to destroy Israel, they mean the people not the state. They mean all the Tribes of G-d not just the two and half presently residing in Zion.
Still more to say....
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Sephirath- End of discussion?
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Mujahideen- No I am sorry but did not have the time to replay due to exam preparaten and paper deadline. I Hope to andere you before the end of tomorrow.
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Mujahideen- Personally I think Israel could have taken the chance to work together with Pashtuns a long time ago. With your support we could have created greater Pashtunistan and establish a front against Iran and its allies and nuclear Pakistan. However Israel failed us. In this regard I have a question: How is it that when Pashtuns needed help from their brothers there were no Jews in US nor in Israel to stop the US while we all know how far the power of Jewish lobbyists reach within American politics? While you should know that when Hitler was on its killing spray of Jewish people, he asked Pashtuns to join him and help him in the quest for achieving a world free of Jews. Anticipating on our Islamic religion he thought we would be ready to help him. We actually were ready but for other reasons, we wanted to defeat the U.K. and free Pashtunistan form the British grip, but when we heard this message, Afghanistan declined and has stated that although we are in need of German help to defeat the British we will never walk alongside people who wish to harm our brothers and sisters. Our king even claimed the following “although Afghanistan is not a world power that can change the course of history it nonetheless would warmly welcome those in need of protection (Jews) and would defend them as they were their own.”
In regards to your claims that Israel always belonged to Jews and therefore should be led by Jews, I have the following question: Why does the Torah claim that we should not establish Israel because we have been banned by Hashem, while on the other hand you do see the warnings against establish a state of Israel? Only Hashem can create that state of Israel and as promised he will. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.
In regards to Palestine and the Palestinian people I think we will disagree on the numbers killed when we will look to different media sources, so I will look at Jewish source that is pro-Israel (http://www.ifamericaknew.org/stats/deaths.html) even there you see that when 1.1 Israeli civilian is killed there are Palestine 6.5 civilians killed in Israeli military action. As you can see in the resent years no Israelis have been killed while the number of Palestinian is going higher and higher except the last two years. I don’t have to tell you that the Torah does not allow anyone to kill indiscriminately we are allowed to defend and kill when we are attacked but do not cross the line of excess. Don’t forget that before the Zionist state Arabs and Jews were living together and all the rights granted to Palestinians were granted to the Jews as well and that no Jews were harmed by the Germans or Arabs while Egypt was their ally, The Arabs could have done so but did not.
Let me go to something else when I read about an article that Israel was researching the DNA of Pashtuns in India, I started to read about it in Jewish sources. Since then I wanted to go to Israel and follow a master degree and get to know the Jewish religion and its people. However, I don't think I will be welcomed knowing that Jews don't have a postive opinion about Afghans. What would you say am I welcom on the Land of Abraham David and Moses? Will Israel accept me for what I am or will they see me as a threat. It is similar question to yours about your stay in Pashtunistan.
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Sephirath- You know most people who have Jewish ancestry and are in political positions are sell outs. They have turned on there brothers and sisters and in this light G-d. America and the state of Israel are both puppet nations just as the Karzai's regime. In 2005 thousands were ripped from there homes in Gush Katif. It seems that every weak saints are being forced to sleep in the dirt while they bulldoze the house with beds and baby cribs still warm. The vast amount of of Judah are walking away from the faith as pre WW2. In America alone the intermarriage rate is near 70% while in nazi germany 1938 they were around 50%. Moses prophesied about these days, "They have roused Me to jealousy with a no-G-d (evil ideaologies); they have provoked Me with their vanities; and I will rouse them to jealousy with a no-people (Amulek); I will provoke them with a vile nation. For a fire is kindled in My nostril, and burneth unto the depths of the nether-world, and devoureth the earth with her produce, and setteth ablaze the foundations of the mountains. I will heap evils upon them; I will spend Mine arrows upon them; The wasting of hunger, and the devouring of the fiery bolt, and bitter destruction; and the teeth of beasts will I send upon them, with the venom of crawling things of the dust. Without shall the sword bereave, and in the chambers terror (gas chamber); slaying both young man and virgin, the suckling with the man of gray hairs. I thought I would make an end of them, I would make their memory cease from among men; Were it not that I dreaded the enemy's provocation, lest their adversaries should misdeem, lest they should say: Our hand is exalted, and not HaShem hath wrought all this.' For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them (Germany). If they were wise, they would understand this, they would discern their latter end." (Devarim 32:21-29) It is a sad thing to admit yet, some deserved to die. G-d who took us in to the delights of his heart and exalted us above all the nations, so I say yes, those who forsook him needed the Holocaust. Till this day decades after the families of my people so chose still to lust after false way and not learn from the past, The future (for them) is dark indeed. This is why some don't stand against our brothers enemies, also many stumbling blocks have been set in our path.
Now on to Zion, here is verses from the Muslim scripture. The Koran says the Holy Land belongs to Israel.
"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]." [Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]
The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land: "And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of G-d unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which G-d has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]
Those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
The ruling class use a distorted interpretation for a political tool, and unfortunately the majority of uneducated Arabs believe this poisonous propaganda. Truly the surrounding nations and the Arab immigrants are fighting against the Army of G-d. Eather through the Torah or the Koran there is no explanation to justify war against the Tribes of Israel. In-fact fighting against Hashem's people would be to go against the creator himself. These beast men wish to rob us of our heritage. Time and time over the peoples of the World have tried to strip away the blessing of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. For the Lord only sends his message by the seed of Israel. Yet the Koran was not written by a Hebrew and Mohamed was not part of this Holy Nation. Only today's modern Jews and Pashtuns can be Prophets.
You spoke the point that only G-d can create the state of Zion, I have some questions to that ideal. The Kingdom of Jehudah got exiled to Babylon and after they returned, did Hashem create that state and the second Beit HaMidash (Holy Temple)? It was the duty of the men in those days to exalt the alter and the land on behalf of G-d. So is today, to leave the inheritance of HaShem in desolation is a blemish against his Holy Name.
To your question at the end. If you were study in the Holy Land there wouldn't be any problems. For you have an equal right to inherit that land (Israel & Lebannon) and any Jew. In fact the Pashtuns have more right if you add up all the tribal portions (by obeying Torah), exept for the Royal Dovidic throne (I am part of the line though Abravanel). I have no clue as to where you got that ideal as to why we don't like you.
To conclude;
"Ye shepherds, hear the word of HaShem: Thus saith the L-rd G-d: Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require My sheep at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the sheep; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; and I will deliver My sheep from their mouth, that they may not be food for them. For thus saith the L-rd G-d: Behold, here am I, and I will search for My sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are separated, so will I seek out My sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the day of clouds and thick darkness. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the habitable places of the country. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be; there shall they lie down in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel." (Yechezchial 33:9-15)
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Tell him the site he mentioned http://www.ifamericaknew.org/ is not pro Israel but anti Jewish site
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sorry but it's too long and difficult to read at this format. Is that person a pathan ? what does he say on Jews and Israel ?
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Modified to better fit the format.
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Who do they consider 'last of the prophets'? The Jewish people consider Malachi to be the last Prophet of Israel.
http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/end-prophecy-malachis-position-spiritual-developmen
This PDF indicates that they are muslims who may have had Jewish roots..
http://www.torahohr.net/Articles/Are_the_Pathans_Jewish[2].pdf_1193597781.pdf
There may be some connection to the Jewish people if these customs are alive today...
Im pashtun belongs to shinwari tribe i believe we got alexnader the great blood in us and real hebrews are black people from what i ve heard and us pashtuns too many of us have red hairs and blues eyes and ma whole family is blonde and even if we are from the lost tribe of israel it doesnt mean we are jews and why do u people hate us or anyother muslims?
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I dont know why people always saying pashtun talis related to the lost tribe of israel? I mean first of all we pashtuns are not talibans well some in us are but talis comes from other countries 2 and i dont believe we are from the lost tribe coz we pashtuns are mix of greek and persains but also i do agree with some of the things not all like we pray 2oward jeuroaslem which is not true
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Hello,
Your English is very difficult to parse, and I hope you can understand what I am writing.
First of all you are mistaken when you think that the Hebrew people are blacks. This is an impossibility if you read the Torah and the prophets. The descendants of Abraham were not black in color because they came from the area of Persia (specifically near where Iraq is today). Also the Torah says that the black race is descended from Ham, the son of Noach who is cursed.
Second, you say we hate muslims? I wonder why? Considering ever since the beginning of the fevered story of Mohamud he has threatened and harassed the Jewish people. And do you think Jews want to be Dhimmis in muslim lands? I think not... So do not wonder why we don't love the muslim religion. When the muslims reject terrorism against Jews and other people who don't believe the bunk of Mohamud, then we can talk about peace.
Third, I never thought pashtuns were Jews. Even if you have distant blood of Jews your rejection of the heritage of the patriarchs has severed your souls from the root of Abraham.
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Well ma english isnt good coz i live in russia and im just learning and i dont know much about the war between u guys and palestinians so i wont go there and im muslim i got no prb with jews at all and i would never rejected ma origin if it was from israel but the thing is that us pashtun are blonde red so some people saying that coz u are greek decendant ane i ve heard that real israelities are black people not white or light brown which we pashtuns are and i hope u know what im trying 2 say
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Jews are not black if you ever read King David was light with red hair.The Pashtuns are related to Northern Indian and Tajiks.Greeks are dark for the most part
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We are not related 2 indians at all and actually our dna is related 2 ashkanazis and sheperd jews check it
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We are not related 2 indians at all and actually our dna is related 2 ashkanazis and sheperd jews check it
sephardic Jews yes maybe it's possible.Why did you move to Russia? they have better parts of Europe
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Ma parents moved 2 russia during the sovite time when they were in afghanistan and we still here and cant move to europe coz ma dad loves russia and also ma older brother in in the russian army so we dont want 2 leave and actually sometime,i do feel like we are related 2 ancient israelities coz ma baby bro name is israel and ma othee 1 is shimon
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Ma parents have 2 russia during the sovite time when they were in afghanistan and we still here and cant move to europe coz ma dad loves russia and also ma older brother in in the russian army so we dont want 2 leave and actually sometime,i do feel like we are related 2 ancient israelities coz ma baby bro name is israel and ma othee 1 is shimon
Shimon is my brothers name also
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Thats cool isnt shimon is the name of prophet israel step son?
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Jews are not black if you ever read King David was light with red hair.The Pashtuns are related to Northern Indian and Tajiks.Greeks are dark for the most part
Some of the Yemenites are look like schvartzers so what do you mean?
I have seen some very dark Teimanim.
As for the Ethiopians I do not believe that they are Jews unless they converted.
Rav Moshe Feinstein & the Lubavitcher Rebbe both said that they need to do giyur if they want to be conisdered as Jews.
The ones hat I see look & behave like religious Jews I assume are Jews the ones that are bareheaded & dress like NYC ghetto garbage I assume are not.
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Another hoax perpetrated by the muslamics.
What do u mean hoax by muslamics? dude we neve claimed that we are the lost tribe it was a candian jew who made this theory up
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It's not the Jews who claim it.It's the Pashtuns themselves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Pashtun_descent_from_Israelites
http://pashtunkings.blogspot.com/2012/12/history-and-origins-history-of-pashtun.html
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What do u mean hoax by muslamics? dude we neve claimed that we are the lost tribe it was a candian jew who made this theory up
It's not the Jews who claim it.It's the Pashtuns themselves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Pashtun_descent_from_Israelites
http://pashtunkings.blogspot.com/2012/12/history-and-origins-history-of-pashtun.html
Thanx! It suffices.
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It's not the Jews who claim it.It's the Pashtuns themselves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Pashtun_descent_from_Israelites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Pashtun_descent_from_Israelites)
http://pashtunkings.blogspot.com/2012/12/history-and-origins-history-of-pashtun.html (http://pashtunkings.blogspot.com/2012/12/history-and-origins-history-of-pashtun.html)
probably its a mistake coz i never heard from ma parents about that we are related 2 israelis and yet again we do have Jewish names and customs but i'm still of confuse about this theory coz lot people saying we from Alexander the great and i got no prb with israelis but i don't like ur troops 4 what they doing 2 gaza i saw it last night over thousands Palestinians were killed and among them were children and women and why do u people and Palestinian don't get along with each other? i mean aren't u guys both close to each other than anyone else? and live in peace 4 the sake of ur children peace (:
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As the Jewish people fulfill the predictions of the prophets and become stronger, some of our fellow Israelites, will come to understand that they entered into Islam only because the Muslim side was the strongman at the time.
Seeing Jewish Military and Economic might will make many of them believe, that Hashem, is the one and only G-d and not the Deity of Islam which is a hybrid of pre-islamic pagan culture, together with some garbled sources stolen from Christianity and Judaism.
As far as the complaints about Fakestinian casualties one has to understand that Fakestinians of "Palestine" literally were allies with the Nazis and would love to do what the Nazis did if they had sufficient power and the Bible commands us to inflict much more not less casualties on the Fakestinian enemy.
Once you have clarity that the Jews represent the side of good and the Fakestinians represent evil, you will be astonished about the idiotic restraint that Bibi has shown towards thousands of unprovoked missile attacks of the Fakestinian enemy!
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As the Jewish people fulfill the predictions of the prophets and become stronger, some of our fellow Israelites, will come to understand that they entered into Islam only because the Muslim side was the strongman at the time.
Seeing Jewish
Military and Economic might will make many of them believe, that Hashem, is the one and only G-d and not the Deity of Islam which is a hybrid of pre-islamic pagan culture, together with some garbled sources stolen from Christianity and Judaism.
As far as the complaints about Fakestinian casualties one has to understand that Fakestinians of "Palestine" literally were allies with the Nazis and would love to do what the Nazis did if they had sufficient power and the Bible commands us to inflict much more not less casualties on the Fakestinian enemy.
Once you have clarity that the Jews represent the side of good and the Fakestinians represent evil, you will be astonished about the idiotic restraint that Bibi has shown towards thousands of unprovoked missile attacks of the Fakestinian enemy!
i heard if u descendant from Israelis doesn't mean u are jew from ma pakistan friend he told there is a big different between u guys and the modern jews and also he said that u guys worshiping cows i mean the goldin calf while the ancient Israelite were believed in one only god so later Muhammad pbuh came and so the people israeli converted 2 Islam by their choice and got no hate toward u guys coz islam doesn't teach me 2 hate and our people dont know jews or any other coz most of us living in mountains in afghanistan and pakistan and there is no electricity 2 watch stuff or anything and im lucky that im living in russia and if some in us hates u that coz they believe that israel is after the american invasion of Afghanistan and also american people only does drones attack on us and killed our children
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:::D lol look at this "10 of the tribes REMAINED Muslim, the other group left islam and became Jews"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2Svcv321A&feature=related
I believe everyone got the right to choice what they want 2 do or what they want 2 believe in so u got no right 2 mock us
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sephardic Jews yes maybe it's possible.Why did you move to Russia? they have better parts of Europe
Mord if i want 2 go 2 israel well the people kill me ? coz im not jew im muslim
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As the Jewish people fulfill the predictions of the prophets and become stronger, some of our fellow Israelites, will come to understand that they entered into Islam only because the Muslim side was the strongman at the time.
Seeing Jewish Military and Economic might will make many of them believe, that Hashem, is the one and only G-d and not the Deity of Islam which is a hybrid of pre-islamic pagan culture, together with some garbled sources stolen from Christianity and Judaism.
As far as the complaints about Fakestinian casualties one has to understand that Fakestinians of "Palestine" literally were allies with the Nazis and would love to do what the Nazis did if they had sufficient power and the Bible commands us to inflict much more not less casualties on the Fakestinian enemy.
Once you have clarity that the Jews represent the side of good and the Fakestinians represent evil, you will be astonished about the idiotic restraint that Bibi has shown towards thousands of unprovoked missile attacks of the Fakestinian enemy!
May god help us all to live in peace 4get about the differents and love each other as a humans and peace to u people and palestine may god help u and what is fakestinians?
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They are quranimals so to them Muhammad yimach schmo is the last prophet. They speak an Iranian language and most likely their genetic mix is mostly Iranian and maybe they a trace of Jewish genetics, and a trace of Hebrew words and traditions.
These people are one of the cruelest, evil, sadistic societies on the face of the earth.
Wow have some respect and our language is called pashto while iranian speaks persain and we are mix of white and asians
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Fakestinians is what we sometimes call the so-called Palestinians because they are fake.
Their own Arab leadership when it was to their political advantage denied there was any Palestinian nation.
Later a few years before the 1967 they started the phony "Palestinian movement" and the P.L.O terror organization as a way to slice out sections of pre-1967 Israel and get greater world sympathy.
Most of the so-called Palestinians are illegal immigrants that the British used as part of their power politics scheme to earn influence in the region, despite that this was a violation of the League on Nations plan to make the area into a Jewish state.
You should also know that Afghanistan was one of the countries to vote against the establishment of the state of Israel after the Holocaust. We owe that country nothing.
But if it is true that Pashtuns are the genetic descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, we would like you to do Teshuva - Repentance and convert to Judaism in order to fulfill the Biblical Prophecy that one day a sizeable number of our brothers from the 10 lost tribes will come back to Israel and be part of the Greater Nation of Israel once more.
Of course we don't want phony converts so if your heart is really into being Jewish just be a righteous Gentile that follows the universal 7 laws of Noah.
We are not interested in having you as just another Muslim state that is devoted to that Jew-killing rapist Mohammed, let the name of that false prophet be blotted out!
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Fakestinians is what we sometimes call the so-called Palestinians because they are fake.
Their own Arab leadership when it was to their political advantage denied there was any Palestinian nation.
Later a few years before the 1967 they started the phony "Palestinian movement" and the P.L.O terror organization as a way to slice out sections of pre-1967 Israel and get greater world sympathy.
Most of the so-called Palestinians are illegal immigrants that the British used as part of their power politics scheme to earn influence in the region, despite that this was a violation of the League on Nations plan to make the area into a Jewish state.
You should also know that Afghanistan was one of the countries to vote against the establishment of the state of Israel after the Holocaust. We owe that country nothing.
But if it is true that Pashtuns are the genetic descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, we would like you to do Teshuva - Repentance and convert to Judaism in order to fulfill the Biblical Prophecy that one day a sizeable number of our brothers from the 10 lost tribes will come back to Israel and be part of the Greater Nation of Israel once more.
Of course we don't want phony converts so if your heart is really into being Jewish just be a righteous Gentile that follows the universal 7 laws of Noah.
We are not interested in having you as just another Muslim state that is devoted to that Jew-killing rapist Mohammed, let the name of that false prophet be blotted out!
What if i want 2 go to israel and im still a muslim am i welcome? and not all muslim are the same good and bad people are everywhere me myself raised up with athest i mean with ma friends they are all athest and we never talk about religion stuffs and im muslim got no prb with u lot and most of us actually dont know about u people and u people and arabs are at war so u thinking that all muslima are arab or have the same intentions
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Mord if i want 2 go 2 israel well the people kill me ? coz im not jew im muslim
No off course not.Israel has a million Muslims living their
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Really there is muslims in israel? wow didnt know that be4
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Really there is muslims in israel? wow didnt know that be4
of course they have judges doctors some police and some in the army.
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of course they have judges doctors some police and some in the army.
Cool what do u mean by they? arent u a jew or israelis
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Cool what do u mean by they? arent u a jew or israelis
No i'm not Israeli some here are.I've been to Israel
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No i'm not Israeli some here are.I've been to Israel
Ohh so u are american?
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Even if they are Jews their evilness knows no bounds especially since i read they converted to qurananimlsm for money.They are now full fledged qurananimals
Nobody converted 2 islam,4 money if we were we would be a rich now but its not true us pashtuns are not jews maybe israelities
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Nobody converted 2 islam,4 money if we were we would be a rich now but its not true us pashtuns are not jews maybe israelities
So.... you are a muzzy?
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The Pashtuns are ethnically descended from Jews, but religiously Muslim.
It is the contradiction of the 'lost Jews'.
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I dont know why people always saying pashtun talis related to the lost tribe of israel? I mean first of all we pashtuns are not talibans well some in us are but talis comes from other countries 2 and i dont believe we are from the lost tribe coz we pashtuns are mix of greek and persains but also i do agree with some of the things not all like we pray 2oward jeuroaslem which is not true
I'm going to clarify a few important points.
1. Yes, it's true that Jews were scattered around the world after the first and second expulsions from Eretz Yisrael. Many kept Jewish traditions and many did not and converted to other religions.
2. Jews are not a race. We are a people and a religion. Some who is not born a Jew, but converts sincerely to Judaism is as Jewish as someone born to a Jewish mother.
3. To me, it is irrelevant if a group of individuals are part of a tribe who claim to be racially Israelite. If they have converted to a different religion, they are not longer Jews. If they, however, want to convert to Judaism as it is supposed to be followed sincerely and they convert properly, they are my brother or sister.
4. Otherwise, they are nothing more than gentiles and it is what it is. But one should not call himself a Jew if he isn't a Jew an done should not claim that he practices Judaism if he is practicing a different religion. That is like calling Day, Night; Black, White; Evil, Good.
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Hello,
Your English is very difficult to parse, and I hope you can understand what I am writing.
First of all you are mistaken when you think that the Hebrew people are blacks. This is an impossibility if you read the Torah and the prophets. The descendants of Abraham were not black in color because they came from the area of Persia (specifically near where Iraq is today). Also the Torah says that the black race is descended from Ham, the son of Noach who is cursed.
Second, you say we hate muslims? I wonder why? Considering ever since the beginning of the fevered story of Mohamud he has threatened and harassed the Jewish people. And do you think Jews want to be Dhimmis in muslim lands? I think not... So do not wonder why we don't love the muslim religion. When the muslims reject terrorism against Jews and other people who don't believe the bunk of Mohamud, then we can talk about peace.
Third, I never thought pashtuns were Jews. Even if you have distant blood of Jews your rejection of the heritage of the patriarchs has severed your souls from the root of Abraham.
Correction: Ever since Ishmael and Esav..Not, just Mohammed, YSV.
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Well ma english isnt good coz i live in russia and im just learning and i dont know much about the war between u guys and palestinians so i wont go there and im muslim i got no prb with jews at all and i would never rejected ma origin if it was from israel but the thing is that us pashtun are blonde red so some people saying that coz u are greek decendant ane i ve heard that real israelities are black people not white or light brown which we pashtuns are and i hope u know what im trying 2 say
Jews can be any color skin and any color hair and any color eyes. We aren't a race.
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probably its a mistake coz i never heard from ma parents about that we are related 2 israelis and yet again we do have Jewish names and customs but i'm still of confuse about this theory coz lot people saying we from Alexander the great and i got no prb with israelis but i don't like ur troops 4 what they doing 2 gaza i saw it last night over thousands Palestinians were killed and among them were children and women and why do u people and Palestinian don't get along with each other? i mean aren't u guys both close to each other than anyone else? and live in peace 4 the sake of ur children peace (:
Can I mention something..I do have a real answer to why this is happening to the "poor palestinians".. But I want to ask you a question. If these Palestinians came into Israel, do you think THEY would have had mercy on our children? Look at ISIS, then you'll understand that those who have mercy for the cruel, will eventually be cruel to merciful.
As far as this war which took place in Gaza, Hamas hid behind women and children. The terrorists used their schools to fire at Jews. They are lucky that it isn't 10,000 Palestinian deaths...due to Israel's infinite mercy!! I bet you, the Muslims would have no mercy on us if the shoe was in the other foot.
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Can I mention something..I do have a real answer to why this is happening to the "poor palestinians".. But I want to ask you a question. If these Palestinians came into Israel, do you think THEY would have had mercy on our children? Look at ISIS, then you'll understand that those who have mercy for the cruel, will eventually be cruel to merciful.
As far as this war which took place in Gaza, Hamas hid behind women and children. The terrorists used their schools to fire at Jews. They are lucky that it isn't 10,000 Palestinian deaths...due to Israel's infinite mercy!! I bet you, the Muslims would have no mercy on us if the shoe was in the other foot.
To make clear 2 u i dont really no anything about wars and whats going in middle east and i dont really support terrirosts coz i believe they are the reason for us muslims getting hates and i dont want any children 2 die or any innocent people and may peace comes israel and palestine and soz im a teenage girl who always just hunging around with friends and having party and what is isis dont really know about wars
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So.... you are a muzzy?
Muzzy? dont really know what u mean
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Muzzy? dont really know what u mean
Muzzy is a mean way if saying muslim.
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Jews can be any color skin and any color hair and any color eyes. We aren't a race.
Yeah thats what lot people told me here but when i went some topic was about us pashtuns that we are lost tribe of israel something like that it was last year and i did a comment on that topic there were some black jew guy told me that u people are not lost tribe at all coz u got red hairs and u are white so u people are not israelities he told me that black people are the lost tribe of israel like africa not us so thats y i said we are a greek decendant not israelis hope u know what im trying 2 say
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Yeah thats what lot people told me here but when i went some topic was about us pashtuns that we are lost tribe of israel something like that it was last year and i did a comment on that topic there were some black jew guy told me that u people are not lost tribe at all coz u got red hairs and u are white so u people are not israelities he told me that black people are the lost tribe of israel like africa not us so thats y i said we are a greek decendant not israelis hope u know what im trying 2 say
The children of Abraham were not black! It's just black nut jobs pushing their cult on people. Trying to make themselves feel important. Don't get me wrong. .. There were black Jews and there are black Jews today..
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The black hebros are NOT Jewish at all, they are a fake cult created in the last few decades.
As I said before the children of Abraham were from the land mass known as Persia today. These people are not Black as from sub-sahara Africa, but they are darker skinned than pure 'white'. But all Jews, both Ashkenazim and Sephardim have DNA which traces back to the Abrahamic line. All Jews were expelled from Israel when Rome defeated us, some went to Europe and others went east (Mizrachim). The Sephardim went to Spain, and when expelled from Spain in 1492 they moved to Northern Africa (Egypt, Morroco)...
I don't know why it is so important to go on about this for three days now. Pashtun are not Jews according to Halacha, and why does it matter? If they wanted to convert to Judaism they could convert like anyone else.
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-350-people-study-finds/
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The children of Abraham were not black! It's just black nut jobs pushing their cult on people. Trying to make themselves feel important. Don't get me wrong. .. There were black Jews and there are black Jews today..
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Yeah i guess u right u can be any colour 2 be ajew or israelities
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Muzzy is a mean way if saying muslim.
Ohh is that in a rude way or just in short way 2 muzzy than a muslim and yeah im muslim why?
and what i mean 2 say that i was raised with athest friends i dont have anymuslim friends at all but im muslim that growed up with athest so thats why i dont know much about religions
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Ohh is that in a rude way or just in short way 2 muzzy than a muslim and yeah im muslim why?
and what i mean 2 say that i was raised with athest friends i dont have anymuslim friends at all but im muslim that growed up with athest so thats why i dont know much about religions
It's a rude way to say Muslim. It is good you don't know much about Islam. There is hope for you. Hopefully I don't have to say anything about the so called prophet Mohamhead...It won't be nice.
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I'm going to clarify a few important points.
1. Yes, it's true that Jews were scattered around the world after the first and second expulsions from Eretz Yisrael. Many kept Jewish traditions and many did not and converted to other religions.
2. Jews are not a race. We are a people and a religion. Some who is not born a Jew, but converts sincerely to Judaism is as Jewish as someone born to a Jewish mother.
3. To me, it is irrelevant if a group of individuals are part of a tribe who claim to be racially Israelite. If they have converted to a different religion, they are not longer Jews. If they, however, want to convert to Judaism as it is supposed to be followed sincerely and they convert properly, they are my brother or sister.
4. Otherwise, they are nothing more than gentiles and it is what it is. But one should not call himself a Jew if he isn't a Jew an done should not claim that he practices Judaism if he is practicing a different religion. That is like calling Day, Night; Black, White; Evil, Good.
You're confusing two different things.
There are ethnic Jewish groups (e.g. Ashkenazim, Mizrahim, Sephardim, etc). And there is the Jewish religion - Judaism. They are two different things.
You can be an ethnically Jewish person, who doesn't follow the Jewish religion. And you can also be a non-ethnically Jewish person, who does follow the Jewish religion. The categories usually over-lap, but not always.
There are a lot of ethnic Jews, who follow or convert to other religions. And a lot of non-ethnic Jews, who have become Jewish by converting.
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You're confusing two different things.
There are ethnic Jewish groups (e.g. Ashkenazim, Mizrahim, Sephardim, etc). And there is the Jewish religion - Judaism. They are two different things.
You can be an ethnically Jewish person, who doesn't follow the Jewish religion. And you can also be a non-ethnically Jewish person, who does follow the Jewish religion. The categories usually over-lap, but not always.
There are a lot of ethnic Jews, who follow or convert to other religions. And a lot of non-ethnic Jews, who have become Jewish by converting.
A person born a Jew (or converted to Judaism) is Jewish until he dies (regardless of any so-called 'conversion')... He is judged in heaven as a Jew who missed the mark (sinned)... The Jewish trait remains regardless of whether he thinks he is a muslim, Christian, or buddhist.
Judaism is not only a religion, it is a nation... You are a member of the nation you cannot leave it.
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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1269075/jewish/Is-a-Jew-Who-Converts-Still-Jewish.htm
Question:
My sister was baptized and has since married and had a child. My mother claims the child is Jewish, but how could that be? If Judaism is a religion, if someone leaves it, she’s no longer Jewish, right?
Response:
Logically, I would have to agree with you. If Judaism is a religion, then someone who doesn’t believe in the religion should be no longer Jewish. The reality, however, is that it doesn’t work that way.
Throughout the Tanach, we find Jews breaking every facet of their covenant with G‑d, joining and forming all sorts of idolatrous cults and heathen practices. Yet when the prophets chide them, they are called “My people, Israel.”
The Talmud1 focuses in particular on the precedent of a notorious character named Achan, who appears in the story of the fall of Jericho.2 “Israel has sinned,” exclaims G‑d. “They have transgressed My covenant that I commanded them.” Yet in the story’s narration we discover that the lone sinner is Achan, who took from the spoils of Jericho. The Talmud points out that nevertheless Achan is considered “Israel,” and remarks, “Israel, although he has sinned, is still Israel.”
The choice of precedent is poignant and the wording laden with subtle meaning: Achan has broken “My covenant that I have commanded them”—interpreted by the Talmud to mean not only one detail, but the entire covenant of Torah. Yet he remains not only a Jew, but “Israel”—the entirety of the Jewish People in a single individual.
The principle extends not only to genealogical Jews, but converts as well. In Tractate Yevamot3 we learn that once a person has fulfilled all the requirements of a proper conversion, he is considered “like Israel in all matters.” The Talmud explains those last words to mean that even if this convert would return to his pagan ways, “if he marries a Jewish woman, he has the same status as an apostate Jew, and they are considered married.”
Why does the Talmud choose to discuss Jewishness in terms of whether or not a marriage is valid? This is also precise: When it comes to having this Jew slaughter meat for you, or relying upon him in other areas of kosher and similar matters, his status may indeed be the same as that of a non-Jew. But those are technicalities, dependent on extraneous factors. Marriage, however, is the real test of Jewishness. Even if a non-Jew would marry a Jew with a chupah and a rabbi presiding with all the procedures “by the book,” the marriage does not have the validity of a marriage sanctified in accordance with Jewish law. Saying that “they are considered married” is the best Talmudic language available for “Yes, he is still Jewish.”
Based on the above statement of the Talmud, the Jewish Code of Law4 rules that a marriage between a Jewish man and a Jewish woman who “convert out” is completely valid. Therefore, their children are considered Jewish and could also marry other Jews.
Which brings us to your case, where a Jewish woman has joined another religion and married a non-Jew. In this instance, as well, since Jewishness is matrilineal, her children are considered Jewish.5
Apparently, Jewishness is about neither religion nor race. Unlike a race, you can get in, but unlike religion, once you’re in you can’t get out. As with Achan, once you are a part of this people, you are the entire people. As Israel is eternal, so your bond with them is irreversible, unbreakable and eternal.
FOOTNOTES
1. Sanhedrin 44a.
2. See Joshua 7:1–26.
3. 48a.
4. Shulchan Aruch, Even Ha-ezer 44:9.
5. Rema, ibid.
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It's a rude way to say Muslim. It is good you don't know much about Islam. There is hope for you. Hopefully I don't have to say anything about the so called prophet Mohamhead...It won't be nice.
Well im learning about christainty and also im gonna start learning about jews religions 2 its good 2 know about different religions and also islam
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I found the following in a Jerusalem Post article about the 10 tribes in general and at least some sources that some made their way to Afghanistan
http://www.jpost.com/PromoContent/The-Ten-Lost-Tribes-A-Background
The Ten Lost Tribes - A Background
The mystery of the whereabouts of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel has fascinated and vexed adventurers and scholars, researchers and ethnographers for over two thousand years.
In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria and took Ijon, and Abel-Bet-Maachah, and Janoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead and Galilee, all the land of Naftali, and carried them captive to Assyria. (Kings II; 15; 29) In the twelfth year of Ahaz king of Judah began Hosea the son of Elah to reign in Samaria over Israel nine years. And he did that which was evil in the eyes of the Lord… Against him came up Shalmaneser king of Assyria; and Hosea became his servant, and gave him gifts. And the king of Assyria found conspiracy in Hosea; for he had sent messengers to So king of Egypt… Then the king of Assyria came up throughout all the land, and went up to Samaria and besieged it three years. In the ninth year of Hosea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. (Kings II, 17; 1-6) And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tiglath-Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites and the Gadites, and half the trive of Menasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Harah, and to the river Gozan unto this day. (Chronicles I; 5; 26) The Ten Tribes as a concept are first mentioned in the meeting between Jeroboam ben Nevat and Ahiah the Shilonite in the field. AT this meeting Ahiah says: "Thus says the Lord God of Israel, behold I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give Ten Tribes to thee. But he shall have one tribe…" (Kings I; 11; 31-32) About two hundred years passed between this meeting until the Ten Tribes were exiled from their land and the Kingdom of Israel was extinguished in the year 720 BCE. According to Assyrian documentation, the Assyrian king exiled from Transjordan and northern Israel some 200,250 souls, and from the capital Samaria, 27,290 souls. The exiles were not denied freedom of religion and were permitted to remain in large groups and continue their national existence in the cities to which they had been exiled. The king of Assyria operated according to the principle of "divide and rule" in order to ensure his sole rule over the areas he had conquered. From the words of the Assyrian Chief of Staff at the time of the siege of Jerusalem, we learn that the Assyrians, despite all their cruelty, tried to transmit the exiles to fertile lands that were easy to cultivate, areas that were similar geographically and agriculturally to those of Samaria and the Galilee. This is what Rab-Shakeh in the name of the king of Assyria during the siege of Jerusalem: "…come out to me… until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, and land of corn and wine, and land of bread and vineyards, a land of oil, olive and honey, that you may live and not die…" (Kings II; 18; 31-32) The Samarian exiles were brought to Halah, Habor, the river Gozan, the cities of the Medes, and Hara. Halah: According to one opinion, an area located at the foot of the Zagros Mountains, which are also known as The Medean Mountains. Another opinion identifies it with the area between city of Nineveh and Horsabad. Our sages identified this city with a city named Helwan or Halazon. (Kiddushin 72a) Habor: B"Z Luria (5744) writes that Habor is the name of the river that runs from Karga-Dag and Tur Avdin and flows down the plain between the Euphrates and the Tigris until it enters the Euphrates north of Maidin. The river crosses a wide plain along which many cities arose in ancient times. In the 8th century BCE, when the Ten Tribes arrive here, the Arameans - who had also been conquered by the Assyrians - lived in the plain, and the exiles from Samaria were settled here in their stead. The Gozan River: According to Luria, this is located in a place called "Tel Halaf" which is the western part of the Gozan River. Gozan is the name of the capital city as well as that of the Assyrian Pahwa. This is also where an Aramean kingdom existed until it was conquered by the Assyrians. The Cities of the Medes: The location of these cities ranges from southeast of Lake Umia to the Zagros Mountains. According to the documents of Tiglath Pileser, 65,000 people were exiled to this area - among them many exiles from Samaria. It is important to mention that the Ten Tribes never disappeared from the awareness of their Judean brethren. Most scholars of Israelite history are of the opinion that the residents of the Samarian kingdom intermingled rather swiftly among the peoples to which they arrived, were swallowed up among them and intermarried until they completely lost their identity. Despite this, among the prophets we find many prophecies of comfort about the children of Efraim and the return of the Ten Tribes. The tribe of Judah was exiled 136 years later, but never lost its identity and thus was able, 70 years later, to return to its land and to maintain its autonomy until the Second Destruction during the first century. The questions arises: Why is it that in Babylon, the tribe of Judah succeeded in maintaining its identity while in Gozan, Halah, Habor and the cities of the Medes, they didn't? It seems that the writings of the prophetic works and the development of prophetic literature which began after the destruction of Samaria was able to strengthen the spirit of the people of Judah, and to immunize it against the surrounding pagan influence. The residents of Judah learned from their sources and from painful reality what had befallen their brethren - the Ten Tribes - and how easily they had lost their identity. Thus they sought to strengthen the foundations of their identity in the period prior to the Babylonian exile. Some of the Ten Tribes returned with Ezra to the Land of Israel at the beginning of the Second Temple period. Contact was lost with the others. The Latin version of the Book of Ezra, written in the first century CE (the Hagiography, Kahana Edition 5716) says: "The Ten Tribes who were exiled from their land during the days of king Hosea and who were led by Shalmaneser king of Assyria into captivity, and he transported them across the river and transferred them to another land." The words "another land" are written "Artzeret" - this form of writing testifies that the author had no knowledge where the exiles of the Samarian kingdom were to be found, and already at this stage in history they became the Ten Lost Tribes." The Talmud mentions that the Ten Tribes were exiled to three places: "Israel was exiled to three exiles, one within the Sambatyon River, and one to Daphne in Antiochia, and one upon which a cloud descended and covered it." (Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 39a). Antiochia: The Samarian exile did not only settle there but moved south toward Armenia, Horkania, Kilikia, Ludia and Tarsus. Today, this city is to be found in Turkey. Daphne was the name of a suburb of the city. The city suffered numerous earthquakes, and it seems that the descendants of the ten tribes died in any or all of these earthquakes. Sambatyon: Josephus in his book "The War of the Jews" tells that Titus Caesar, upon his return to Italy after the capture of Jerusalem, passed through Syria and there he saw: "A river full of water, the current of which never ceases. Afterwards, it disappears for six days for its entire length from its source and appears completely dry. But on the seventh day it sends forth it waters as if nothing had changed." The Roman historian Pliny, who lived the same time as Josephus, identifies the river with one in the land of Judah, writes the opposite view and calls the river "The Sabbath River" for it flows for six days and ceases on the seventh. Rabbi Akiva, also a contemporary of that period, tells the wicked Turnus Rufus something similar to Pliny: "The Sambatyon River testifies, for all the days it drags along stones and sand, and on the Sabbath it rests." (Midrash Tanchuma, Ki Tissa, Parasha 33) There is no doubt that each of these three places is more mysterious that the other. The geographical location of the Sambatyon and the cloud remain a mystery that many have attempted to discover - but without any great success. Eldad Hadani In the Geonic period we find a responsum of one Zemach Bar Rav Haim Gaon who served as Gaon from 886 to 879 in Kerouan. He received a query from a group of people who had met Eldad Hadani and were unable to evaluate the man. "In the matter of Eldad Hadani which you sent before us that you had heard from him, sages have told us that they heard from Rabana Yitzhak ben Mar and Rabana Simha who saw this Reb Eldad Hadani and they wondered about his words, some of which seemed words of wisdom and some of which seemed wondrous. We have seen sources that support our sages. For when Sennacherib rose and exiled the tribe of Zebulun in the eighth year of king Ahaz' from the establishment of the temple until the eighth year of Ahaz there were close to 264 years. And since the children of Dan saw - and they were mighty men - that the king of Assyria has ruled in Israel, they left the land of Israel to Kush and they rested there to be there in a land of gardens and orchards, fields and vineyards. A wide plained land fileld with all forms of goodness, and they permitted them to worship God in fear and to perform all His commandments with love, and this helped them for they were crowned with two crowns, the crown of Torah and kingship, when Reb Eldad Hadani told of this." (Otzar Hamidrashim, p20) The exchange of letters between the people of Kerouan and Rabbi Zemach Gaon is the primary source we have on Eldad. Later on, there developed many stories and myths regarding his personality and about the Land of Cush from where he came as a representative of the tribe of Dan. Eldad continued from North Africa to Spain. He is mentioned again in a letter sent by Hisdai Ibn Shaprut, a minister in the government of Andalusia, to the Jewish ruler of the Khazar kingdom. After that, his footsteps disappear. From the honorable manner in which both Rabbi Zemach Gaon and Hisdai Ibn Shaprut refer to him, we learn that they considered his testimony about the kingdom of the tribe of Dan in Abyssinia to be true, unlike later scholars who considered him an imaginative charlatan. Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela In the year 1165, about 300 years after the travels of Eldad Hadani, Benjamin ben Jonah departs from Tudela on a journey in search of Jewish communities. In 1171 he returns to Spain and writes his memoirs, the famous "Journeys of Benjamin of Tudela." Regarding the Ten Tribes, he writes: "… and it is said that there are people there who are the tribe of Reuben and Gad and half the tribe of Menashe… and they went and built great, fortified cities, and they fight against all the kingdoms, and none can enter them. For eighteen days one walks in the uninhabited deserts, until one come to Khievar, a very great city with some fifty thousand Jews, including scholars and warriors, who fight against the sons of Shinar and the northern lands, and the nearby land of Aliman, which is the beginning of India." With regard to the Jews of India he writes that "all the people of the land of black and the Jews too, and they are good Jews who fulfill mitzvoth and they have the Torah of Moses and the prophets, and some of the Talmud and the Halacha." About the Jews of Shinkli (Kranganur) he writes: "There are about a thousand Jews there." Regarding the tribes of Dan, Zevulun, Asher and Naftali he writes: "…And it is said that in the Nasbor cities there are four tribes of Israel, Dan, Zevulun, Asher and Naftali… and the distance of their land is twenty days, and they have provinces and cities. On the one side they are surrounded by the river Gozan, and the yoke of the non-Jews is not upon them, for they have a president named Joseph Hamarkli Helo, and among them are scholars, and they sow and reap and go to war in the Land of Cush through the deserts." The area describes by Rabbi Bejamin, as the home of the Ten Tribes, is a mountainous area, divided by steep valleys. The cities of Nisbor are found in northeastern Iran, close to the border with Afghanistan. Rabbi Saadia Gaon in the 9th century and Moshe ben Ezra in the 11th century mention Afghanistan - then known as Horasan - as the home of the Ten Tribes. Literature of the Rishonim The Rishonim, in their writings and mainly in their letters, dealt at length with the subject of lost Jews. Maimonides in one of his letters, writes: "With regard to your question about the tribes, you should know that this is a true issue and we wait for their arrival, for they are hidden beyond the mountains of darkness, and the river Gozan and the river Sambatyon." Rabbi David Hareuveni Avigdor Shachan is of the opinion that the Jewish dispersion arrived in the state of Kerala and to Cochin in three different historic waves of migration: In the 1st Century BCE: When members of the Ten Tribes communities left Afghanistan and settled in India in the Sakito-Parthic Kingdom. This was a nation of Indian-European origin that lived from the 8th century BCE through the 1st century CE in the plains of southern Ukraine on the banks of the Black Sea and the Don and Dnieper rivers. Most scholars consider that they migrated to the Ukraine from Central Asia. The Kushan invasion of the Sakito-Parthic Kingdom resulted in many inhabitants fleeing northern India for the south. In the 5th Century CE: As a result of thedecrees of the Persian King Prosus, more Jews fled northern India and joined their brethren in the south. A third group, descendants of the Raban (=Hareven) family, also from the Ten Tribes, arrived in India from Yemen at an undetermined time, and settled in Malabar. Joseph Raban, who was a descendant of the family, received copper tablets from the local ruler. Shachan claims the existence of a 16th century document in Amsterdam, written in Hebrew and signed by the Jewish leaders of Cochin. The document states that for over 1,000 years (starting in the 6th century) 70 kings (melichim) from among their people ruled in Cochin. However, due to a quarrel between two brothers close to the royal court, and due to timeously unpaid taxes to the Hindu ruler, their royal independence was removed. This loss of Independence, says Shachan, led to Muslim control over the harbors of southern India, and David Hareuveni, a descendant of Joseph Raban, departed in the 16th century, on a hazardous journey from Cochin to Portugal and Italy, in order to bring to Portuguese to southern India, so that they might defeat the Muslims, and return the kingship to the Jews in Cochin. And this is what Reuveni writes about himself: "I, David son of the late King Solomon, of blessed and righteous memory, and my brother the king Joseph who is older then me, and he sits on his throne in the desert of Habor and rules over thirty thousand, over the sons of Gad and the sons of Reuven and half the tribe of Menashe, I have traveled from before the king, my brother, and his counselors, the seventy elders, and they commanded me to go first to Rome before his majesty the Pope." Hareuveni's itinerary goes from southern India to Afghanistan, the Habor desert, Heart, Jeddah, by ship via the Red Sea to the city of Tsuakin in the land of Abyssinia in the kingdom of Sheba. From there he continues for two months through the jungles of Africa until he comes to Maul on the banks of the Nile. He remains in Maul for ten months and then continues to Sonar, and then by boat along the Nile to the edge of the Sheban kingdom, from where he travels to the kingdom of El-Galbeh. From there to Mount Ataki, the land of Donguluah, Ahbir, Girgam, Cairo, Gaza, Hebron, Jerusalem, Gaza, Egypt, Portugal and finally Rome. Shabtai Zvi About 100 years after David Hareuveni, there appears the false messiah Shabtai Zvi in 1666 in Izmir, Turkey. The tales of his conquests in the city of Mecca and the African continent with the help of a Hebrew-speaking army of the Ten Tribes that he gathered, upon whom the fire rained down and returned upon the heads of those who fired at them, an army for whom the Turkish Sultan offered the city of Alexandria, and Tunis, and so on. These fables were distributed by word of mouth and by letter, and caused Jews to sell their possessions in the Diaspora, exhume the bones of their deceased relatives and go up to Israel. Many communities were severely damaged when Shabtai Zvi decided to become a Muslim and turn his back on the destruction he had wrought. It seems that as European geographers expanded their knowledge, discovered new continents and developed sea routes for trade, and as the European colonies abroad grew, the Ten Tribes were dispossessed of their former lands. By the end of the 17th century, Asia, Africa and India ceased being mysterious places populated by the Ten Tribes. Once the world had understood that the Sambatyon and the Mountains of Darkness were not in Africa or Asia, the search began to find the Ten Tribes in the Americas. Menashe ben Israel Menashe ben Israel published a book in Amsterdam in 1652 called "The Hope of Israel." In it Ben Israel proves that the Ten Tribes are to be found in America. He bases himself upon a story he heard from a certain Marrano who returned from South America to Amsterdam. In the Andes Mountains, the man came across some Indian who told him that he is a Hebrew, and introduced him to a group of Hebrews who declared themselves to be the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ben Israel thought this to be possible and quotes from the Talmud, Josephus, Eldad Hadani, Benjamin of Tudela, David Hareuveni and assorted other Jewish and Christian scholars - that the Ten Tribes are to be found in many places around the world and that they reached China, and northeast Asia, and Siberia from where they crossed the Baring Straights that divide Asia from America. In his opinion the two continents were once connected until earthquakes separated them. Ben Israel's scholarship is scientific and considered a pioneering work in the field of research into the whereabouts of the Ten Tribes. Modern Scholars Research of the Ten Tribes in the modern ages has been influenced by fakes and forgeries on the one hand and serious research by ethnogarphers, missionaries and travelers on the other. Among the researchers that need to be mentioned is Joseph Israel Benjamin, known as the Second Benjamin (1818-1864). In 1844 he departed on his first journey to the east, passing through Vienna and Kushta. He visited Egypt, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan, Iran, Afghanistan, India and China. During his travels in the east he met many tribes among who he saw descendants of the Ten Tribes. He summarized his journey in 1856, in his book "Travels of the Children of Israel." Another researcher is a British medical officer, H. W. Bellew, who lived in Afghanistan for a long time, and in 1891 published in London his work "An Ethnographic Review of Afghanistan." In it Bellew maintains that many of the Pashtun tribes who live in Afghanistan believe that they descend from "Bani Israil". They identify themselves as people who used to observe Torah until they converted to Islam in the 8th century. In 1889 Adolf Neuberger published his essay "Where are the Ten Tribes?" He claims in all to be a mirage. He is of the opinion that only the upper classes of the Israelite Kingdom were exiled, while the simple folk remained behind and integrated into the peoples who were brought to the Land of Israel by the Assyrians. Most the exiles integrated swiftly among the peoples where they had been brought, while others mingled with the exiles from Judah 136 years later. In his opinion, the Assyrian exiles never existed as an autonomous entity. Shimon Menahem Lazare writes in his book "The Ten Tribes and their Solution" (1908) that most of the Samarian exiles maintained their identities and returned with the Judean exiles after Cyrus' declaration. Zvi Kasdai in his article "The Tribes of Jacob and the Captive of Israel" (1928) writes that the exiles from Samaria and Judah connected together mainly in the mountains of Kurdistan-Caucus, the snow-capped peaks of which can be identified as the "Mountains of Darkness". Kasdai believed that many traditions regarding the Ten Tribes are based upon historical fact. Alan Godbey, a professor of Bible at Duke University, published in 1930 an 800-page study entitled "The Ten Tribes - The Story of a Legend." This book was an encyclopedic life's work, and it discusses the place of the Ten Tribes in Africa and Asia. While he defines the Ten Tribes as a myth, he posits that they were surely exiled from their land, while continuing their attempts to spread their monotheistic faith in all the countries of their exile. In his opinion, they succeeded in this mission and converted many believers from North Africa in the west to central Asia in the east. Even after the tribes converted to Islam or Christianity they maintained their monotheistic beliefs and customs, which originated in ancient Israel. 60 years passed and once again scholars started to deal with the subject again. In Israel the subject arose in the 1980s when Rabbi Eliyahu Avichail of Jerusalem founded the Amishav movement and discovered the lost tribes of Benei Menashe in Mizoram and Manipur, in northeastern India. Another organization active in this effort is Shavei Israel, headed by Michael Freund. A British researcher, Dr. Theodore Parfitt, has been conducting research on genetic effects and the presence of chromosome Y among numerous tribes around the world. This chromosome is prevalent among Jews in general and Cohanim in particular. In India he is assisted by a young researcher from the University of Lucknow - Dr. Navras Afreedi - who claims that his ancestors were Afreedi, descendants of the tribe of Efraim, and that many of the Pathans and other tribes are descendant from the Ten Tribes. Dr. Afreedi did his post-doctoral work at Tel Aviv University, entitled "Indian Jewry and the Self-professed Lost Tribes of Israel in India." Dr Avigdor Shachan, a lecturer in military history, published his book "Across the Sambatyon" in 2005, in which he recounts the migration routes of the exiled Ten Tribes from the Land of Israel to Assyria, and from there across Asia Minor, Iran, Afghanistan, India, China and Japan. His conclusions are that in these areas there continue to live millions of people who maintain remnants of customs that connect them to ancient Israel, despite the passing of 2700 years. The last writer on this subject is Hillel Halkin, who in his book "On the banks of the Sambatyon: A journey in the footsteps of the descendants of Menashe" presents the question of the origin of Bnei Menashe. Halkin, somewhat skeptically, accompanied rabbi Avichail to Manipur and Mizoram, was impressed that there indeed exists an unsolved mystery, returned twice to research it further, and slowly concluded that this lost tribe indeed has a connection to the people of Israel.
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Concerning the eventual return of the lost 10 tribes to be one with the Jewish people, see the Bible in particular, the prophet Hoshea chapters 1,2,3
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Bnei Menashe photos:
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=bnei+menashe+photos&client=firefox-a&hs=cuv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&biw=853&bih=533&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aasUVOCQKcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CBsQsAQ
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http://www.shavei.org/about-us/our-goals/?lang=en
Our Goals
Shavei Israel strives to extend a helping hand to all members of our extended Jewish family and to all who seek to rediscover or renew their link with the people of Israel.
Shavei Israel believes that Jewish People is a family with links that never vanish completely; our endeavor is to strengthen the links wherever they may have been weakened by history, distance or social parameters.
The Need: The Jewish people are currently facing a demographic and spiritual crisis of unprecedented proportions. Our numbers are shrinking, Jewish commitment is waning, and more and more young people are leaving the fold. And yet, simultaneously, an extraordinary awakening is taking place. From northeastern India to southern Spain, from the coast of Portugal to the shores of Brazil, countless numbers of people are trying to make sense of their Jewish ancestry, wrestling with profound questions of history, identity and self. Many are literally knocking on our collective door, looking for a way to enter. This presents the Jewish people with a tremendous opportunity to reinforce its ranks and reinvigorate its spirit by extending a courteous hand to all those who wish to return. Shavei Israel is the only Jewish organization today that is actively reaching out to “lost Jews” in an effort to facilitate their return. We are not merely a research team. We approach each case on a human level, lending guidance and understanding in tracing Jewish roots, exploring Jewish history and evaluating options for returning to the Jewish people.
The How-To’s of “Return”: Returning to the Jewish people does not and should not involve coercion or compulsion. It is a deeply personal decision and cannot be imposed from the outside. It may result from a desire to recover a lost heritage, or from an intense need to understand various inherited customs and family traditions. But whatever the source, Shavei Israel supports, guides and provides assistance for these personal journeys however varied they may be. Shavei Israel opens the door to all who have decided that Judaism and a return to the Jewish people are central to their fate and their identity. Shavei Israel does not proselytize nor does it support any form of missionary activity. Shavei Israel responds to personal expressions of desire to return to Judaism.
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Bnei Menashe photos:
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=bnei+menashe+photos&client=firefox-a&hs=cuv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&biw=853&bih=533&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aasUVOCQKcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CBsQsAQ
Lol not 2 be mean they are all mongols
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I found the following in a Jerusalem Post article about the 10 tribes in general and at least some sources that some made their way to Afghanistan
http://www.jpost.com/PromoContent/The-Ten-Lost-Tribes-A-Background
Toooooooooo long cant be bother 2 read can u just give me some short articals
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The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.
The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.
Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.
I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?
Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.
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Shalom & Shavuah Tov,
Regarding the question of who the Jewish people are... The Torah portion which we all read today (Shabbat) contains a beautiful explanation. In the commandment of the 'First Fruits' we find the following vow made by the pilgrims to Jerusalem:
Deuteronomy Chapter 26
3. And you shall come to the kohen who will be [serving] in those days, and say to him, "I declare this day to the Lord, your God, that I have come to the land which the Lord swore to our forefathers to give us."
4. And the kohen will take the basket from your hand, laying it before the altar of the Lord, your God."
5. And you shall call out and say before the Lord, your God, "An Aramean [sought to] destroy my forefather, and he went down to Egypt and sojourned there with a small number of people, and there, he became a great, mighty, and numerous nation.
6. And the Egyptians treated us cruelly and afflicted us, and they imposed hard labor upon us.
7. So we cried out to the Lord, God of our fathers, and the Lord heard our voice and saw our affliction, our toil, and our oppression.
8. And the Lord brought us out from Egypt with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm, with great awe, and with signs and wonders.
9. And He brought us to this place, and He gave us this land, a land flowing with milk and honey.
10. And now, behold, I have brought the first of the fruit of the ground which you, O Lord, have given to me." Then, you shall lay it before the Lord, your God, and prostrate yourself before the Lord, your God.
11. Then, you shall rejoice with all the good that the Lord, your God, has granted you and your household you, the Levite, and the stranger who is among you.
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The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.
The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.
Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.
I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?
Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.
Chaim you summed it up,however the last sentence you are wrong for now as Arabs /Muslimare more welcome here than you or I & quite a few other Jews.
Furthermore they all get bituach leumi,kupat cholim & don't have to serve in the army & in many cases get free electric & water & don't pay taxes.
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The conclusion of the Talmud Yevamot 16b and 17a seems to be that the descendants of the 10 lost tribes lost their status as Jews. Either because most of the women of the 10 lost tribes had problems giving birth and so the men intermarried with Gentiles or because of the verse in Hoshea 5:7.
The region according to some but not all researchers that the 10 tribes were exiled to included regions that the Pashtuns inhabited.
Since the Talmud was written before the religion of Islam started that means already before Islam had started, the Pashtuns if they are the descendants of the 10 lost tribes lost their status as Israelites.
Radbaz claims the proper choice to make when a Jew is presented with the option of convert to Islam or die is to choose death. The view of Radbaz is subject to dispute, but I am saying what I believe in my humble layman's opinion is the correct view.
The Talmud seems to say in one place that the Gentiles are not obligated to give up their life, even when presented with the option of doing idolatry or getting killed.
It might be that the original Pashtun generation that took on Islam did this because of a convert or die situation.
In the later generations many of the Pashtun people began to really believe in the evil religion of Islam and there is no excuse for this.
We have no obligation to harm Jewish interests at all for the benefit of these people.
There is an opinion in the Talmud Yerushalmi that if the 10 tribes will come back to the Jewish people in the future they will do so as converts and this seems to fit with the prophecy of Hoshea chapters 1,2,3
Here's a Hebrew quote of the relevant passage in the Yerushalmi
תלמוד ירושלמי (וילנא) מסכת סנהדרין פרק י
מתני' עשרת השבטים אינן עתידין לחזור שנאמר [דברים כט כז] וישליכם אל ארץ אחרת כיום הזה מה היום הולך ואינו חוזר אף הן הולכין ואינן חוזרין דברי ר' עקיבה רבי אליעזר אומר מה היום מאפיל ומאיר אף הן כשהיא אפילה להן עתידה ליאור להן: גמ' עשרת השבטים אין להן חלק לעולם הבא ואינן רואין לעתיד לבוא מה טעמא [דברים כט כז] וישליכם אל ארץ אחרת כיום הזה מה היום הולך ואינו חוזר אף הן הולכין ואינן חוזרין דברי ר' עקיבה ר"ש בן יהודה איש כפר אכוס אמר משום רבי שמעון אם היו מעשיהן כיום הזה אינן חוזרין ואם לאו חוזרין הן. ר' חזקיה ר' אבהו בשם ר' לעזר אם באים הן גירי צדק לעתיד לבא אנטולינוס בא בראש כולם.
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The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.
The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.
Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.
I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?
Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.
Excuse me sir good and bad people are everywhere so u shouldnt judge all by some bad ones and us pashtuns are most strongest and beautiful people in asia and we love afghanistan pakistan we consider them as mother lands and we are not intersted in rich countries and me myself russian born and proud 2 be and nobody wants 2 go 2 ur country and i know israel is only 4 jews so u need to learn how 2 respect others after all we are all humans i cant belive it u people are full of haterd
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Neamatullah has given detailed genealogical accounts of several Pashtun tribes, tracing their descent from Qais Abdul Rasheed, who himself is said to have sprung from the line of Jacob (Israel) in his Tarikh-i-Khan-i-Jahani wa Makhzan-i-Afghani (AH 1021/ 1612 CE). Completed at Burhanpur, it gives an account of the Afghans, particularly the Lodis and the Surs. Naematullah writes:
…Khaled sent a letter to the Afghans who had settled in the mountainous countries around Ghor ever since the time of the expulsion of the Israelites by Bokhtnasser, and informed them of the appearance of the last of the Prophets. When this letter reached them, several of their chiefs departed from Medina; the mightiest of them, and of the Afghan people, was Kais, whose pedigree ascends in a series of thirty-seven degrees to Talut, of forty-five to Ibrahim…
Naematullah was the first historian to present a systematic genealogical table of Pashtuns from Israel/Jacob. Less than ten years before the compilation of Tarikh-e-Khan-e-Jahani, another scholar Akhund Darwiza had declared the Pashtuns to be Israelites in his Tadhkirat al-Abrar (an account of hisadventures in Afghan territories) in 1611 CE.
Even before the political rise of Afghans Kingdom, Hamidullah Mustawfi had speculated that they were most likely Israelites in his monumental work Tarikh-e-Guzeedah (AH 730/1326 CE), as stated by Neamatullah. This is a general historical account dedicated to Khwaja Ghiyasuddin Muhammad, son and successor of Rashiduddin Fazlullah, and deals with the Mongols of Persia (modern Iran) and modern Trans-Oxiana.
Sheikh Mali of the Yusufzai tribe wrote in Pushto a book on the Israelite descent of the Pashtuns between AH 816/1409 CE and AH 828/1412 CE. Another work in Pushto on the same subject is ascribed to Khan Kaju, written in circa AH 900/1493 CE. Upon these two works were based Tarikh-e-Hafiz Rahmat and Khulasat al-Ansab of Hafiz Rahmat Khan. Minhaj-i-Siraj Jurjari, who had close contact with the Ghurids and held posts of qazi (qadi), khatib, sadr-i-jahan and principal of the Nasiriya Madrassa, wrote in his Tabaqat-i-Nasiri (1259-60 CE), “In the time of the Shansbani dynasty there were people called Bani Israel living in Ghor,” and that “some of them were extensively engaged in trade with the neighbouring countries.” Tabaqat-i-Nasiri is an encyclopaedic history from the patriarchs and prophets, viz., Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to the time of Nasiruddin Mahmud. It is an invaluable source of information for the history of the early Turkish sultans and their maliks and amirs. Abu Sulayman Daud’s Rauza-ul-Bab Twarikh-ul-Akbar-wal-Ansab (The Garden of the Learned in the History of Great Men and Genealogies) (AH 717/1310 CE) is considered the earliest work on the subject of the Israelite origin of Afridi/Pathans.
Again, "In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried ...Israel away unto Assyria, and placed them in Halah, and in Habor, on the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes." (Melachim 2 16:6) on the river of Gozan! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amu_Darya defines - Hebrew: גּוֹזָן, Gozan. Historians tell us that one of the most ancient names for the Oxus or Amu in ancient Afghanistan was Gozan. And were brought into Halah (modern day Balkh), and Habor (which is Pesh Habor or Peshawar), and Hara (which is Herat). http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/08/ajb/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Amu_Darya.html In ancient Afghanistan, the river was also called Gozan, descriptions of which can be found in the book "The Kingdom of Afghanistan: a historical sketch By George Passman Tate" So through references grounded in history and fact we come to modern day Afghanistan.
"Also the tribal name are similar to the Sons of Jacob. Yusufzai -Children of Yosef; Afridi - Ephrayim; Rabbani - Reuven; Shinwari - Shim'on; Lewani - Levi, Daftani - Naphtali, Gaji/Gadoon - Gad; Mushahar - Manasseh; Abdali - Naphtali; Zamand - Zebulon; and Ashurai - Asher"
And so I'll review, Midieval Persian texts written by Muslim scholars refer to the Israelite origin of Pashtuns, who mainly inhabit the hill country from the eastern spurs of the Safed Koh to the borders of the Peshawar district in Pakistan. A number of Pathan historians subscribe to the theory of the Israelite origin of the Afghans. The first among them to trace the genealogy to Israel was Khwaja Neamatullah. Malik Ahmad, entitled Khan Jahan Lodi, asked his secretary Khwaja Neamatullah Harawi to compile a complete account of the history of Pashtuns. Neamatullah sent five historians, viz., Qutb Khan, Sarmast Khan Abdali, Hamza Khan, Umar Khan Kakarr and Zarif Khan, to the Tribal territories in AH 1030/1621 CE to investigate the descent of Afghans. This eventually led to the compilation of Mirat-al-Afghani, according to which Afghans/Pashtuns/Pathans are Israelites.
"thus saith the Jehovah God: Behold, here am I, and I will search for My sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are separated, so will I seek out My sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the day of clouds and thick darkness. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the habitable places of the country. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be; there shall they lie down in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel." (Yechezchial 33:11-15) Save your brethren.
Im belong to the shinwari tribe but im cunfused about the israelities origin
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Excuse me sir good and bad people are everywhere so u shouldnt judge all by some bad ones and us pashtuns are most strongest and beautiful people in asia and we love afghanistan pakistan we consider them as mother lands and we are not intersted in rich countries and me myself russian born and proud 2 be and nobody wants 2 go 2 ur country and i know israel is only 4 jews so u need to learn how 2 respect others after all we are all humans i cant belive it u people are full of haterd
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We are full of hatred?! You believe in a religion that commands you to physically exterminate or forcibly convert all non-Muslim "infidels".
You not only want to murder all non-Muslims, you also slaughter millions of your fellow Muslims. In the Pakistan-Bangladesh war, the Pakistani Muslims murdered 3 million Bengali Muslims. If this is what you do to each other, we know you are not joking when you promise to do it to us.
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We are full of hatred?! You believe in a religion that commands you to physically exterminate or forcibly convert all non-Muslim "infidels".
You not only want to murder all non-Muslims, you also slaughter millions of your fellow Muslims. In the Pakistan-Bangladesh war, the Pakistani Muslims murdered 3 million Bengali Muslims. If this is what you do to each other, we know you are not joking when you promise to do it to us.
Nobody converted 2 islam focibly and i dont know much about religion and u telling me we murder non muslim are u talking about the american invaders who wants 2 rule on us so we should let them ruel and kill our children? Would u let the palestinians to rule israel? and killing people nothing 2 do with islam blaming islam or any other religion 4 what some murders doing is like blaming a car 4 an accident and even if animals could talk they would said it its humans not religion and i believe no relgions are bad its humans who are
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Nobody converted 2 islam focibly and i dont know much about religion and u telling me we murder non muslim are u talking about the american invaders who wants 2 rule on us so we should let them ruel and kill our children? Would u let the palestinians to rule israel? and killing people nothing 2 do with islam blaming islam or any other religion 4 what some murders doing is like blaming a car 4 an accident and even if animals could talk they would said it its humans not religion and i believe no relgions are bad its humans who are
Americans invading and killing your children? ??? ??? ???????????????????
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Nobody converted 2 islam focibly and i dont know much about religion and u telling me we murder non muslim are u talking about the american invaders who wants 2 rule on us so we should let them ruel and kill our children? Would u let the palestinians to rule israel? and killing people nothing 2 do with islam blaming islam or any other religion 4 what some murders doing is like blaming a car 4 an accident and even if animals could talk they would said it its humans not religion and i believe no relgions are bad its humans who are
Muslims converted hundreds of millions of people forcibly. The woman, who, thank G-d, killed Mohammed the murderer, first saw Mohammed's men chop off all the heads of all the men in her village, because they refused to convert to pisslam, the religion of death. Then, he tried to forcibly convert her, but she would rather die, so instead of killing her, he kept her as a sex slave for years, until she managed to poison that psychotic rapist, and then the blessing of millions of muslims killing millions of other muslims started.
Islam says to murder people. Hundreds of times. Here's a few examples http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
If Islam says to murder people, and people read the book and then go murder people, it must be blamed. Of course you believe humans are bad. If I grew up around muslims, I'd probably say the same. The opposite is in fact true, because in civilized societies, most people are good, and it's just psychopaths who follow murderous religions or ideologies like pisslam or communism that kill people and are evil.
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Muslims converted hundreds of millions of people forcibly. The woman, who, thank G-d, killed Mohammed the murderer, first saw Mohammed's men chop off all the heads of all the men in her village, because they refused to convert to pisslam, the religion of death. Then, he tried to forcibly convert her, but she would rather die, so instead of killing her, he kept her as a sex slave for years, until she managed to poison that psychotic rapist, and then the blessing of millions of muslims killing millions of other muslims started.
Islam says to murder people. Hundreds of times. Here's a few examples http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
If Islam says to murder people, and people read the book and then go murder people, it must be blamed. Of course you believe humans are bad. If I grew up around muslims, I'd probably say the same. The opposite is in fact true, because in civilized societies, most people are good, and it's just psychopaths who follow murderous religions or ideologies like pisslam or communism that kill people and are evil.
Ahh well thats ur opinions i believe its humans who are bads not religion and im muslim got athest christain and buddist friends we nevet talk about relgion stuff we are just having fun and living in peace with each other as a human not as a different belefies
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Americans invading and killing your children? ??? ??? ???????????????????
Yeah they do and they are the 1 who founded the talibans and when afghanistan was under the controll,of sovite that time women and men had equle rights and afghanistan was in peace 2 but america couldnt stand 4 the sovite succes so they founded the talibans to fight against afghan soldiers and russians
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Ahh well thats ur opinions i believe its humans who are bads not religion and im muslim got athest christain and buddist friends we nevet talk about relgion stuff we are just having fun and living in peace with each other as a human not as a different belefies
Opionions aren't facts, opinions are what you think about facts, and you happen to be wrong in your opinion that the most murderous, backward and insane religion on the face of the earth is like other religions. Many other religions are equally silly, but don't have commandments to kill everybody, or don't do that anymore. Only Islam still has the distinction of the major world religion that still promotes mass-murder.
Let's talk opinions. What is your opinion on muslims killing millions of people in Sudan for islam? What about the brutal killing of massive ammounts of people and even monks (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/04/11/myanmar-burmese-buddhist-monk-burned-with-acid-slashed-with-knives-had-genitals-cut-off-all-by-muslims/) in Mynamar? Muslims killed 270 million people around the world since 700AD. What's your opinion on the particular killings of women leaders, since Mohammed said a woman can never run a nation, and that when he defeated a nation with a woman as leader, he tied each of her arms and legs to camels, and commanded them to pull, and tore her apart and proceeded let his army make slaves out of the women and killed or converted the men. Now in your opinion, do you really think he should have used camels, or perhaps would horses have been better?
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anyways what sort of "Israelite" believes in a barbarous religion like islam?
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We see the religion of Islam as evil in itself.
We do not view all the killers and rapists and robbers of Islam as a departure from what the religion teaches, but rather as a fulfillment of their religion.
Here is some historical background about this evil religion of Islam
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html
(http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html)
Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to convert and rejected Muhammad, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled; in 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.(3)
The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:9798).
Violence Against Jews
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.
When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.
Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.(6)
Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.(7)
Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).(8}
As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:
It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.(9)
The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.(10)
By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:
The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.(11)
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Im sorry, but I think this is a troll trying to troll us...
Going on and on about these pashtuns... I can care less if they are or are not a lost tribe. And this troll says she doesn't believe that they are, so who cares? One way or another from a Jewish perspective it is ridiculous.
If they are and they want to do teshuva, the door is open. But if they don't and they want to persist in their evil, that is their decision. Let them roast in hell...
This pashtungirl troll accuses America of creating the taliban. That is another lie. America did support al queda in the fight against USSR, but America did not give them the jihad which is commanded by the Koran. They did that themselves, and turned the very weapons we gave them against America, because as the Koran teaches them all infidels must either convert, die, or pay the jizzah.
That 'she' claims to be atheist is another clue that this person is trolling. Islam proscribes very severe punishments for apostasy. I wish that pashtun girl would go to her muslim brothers and tell them what she thinks about allah, I'm sure we will not hear from her again.
I hope that in the end we can see the troll for what it is. How many days have we wasted on this?
Islam is a wicked belief and those who practice it are enemies of G-d. As we are the people of Hashem they are enemies of the Jewish people. Personally Islam is my enemy...
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The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.
The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.
Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.
I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?
Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.
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Pashtuns are muslims who inhabit Afghanistan where they form the majority of muslim Nazi Taliban, which is known for its savagely brutal treatment of women. They veil, lock, segregate, beat, stone, behead, mutilate their women and treat them worse than chattel. Of course, they cannot blame their Nazi so-called "religion" islam. As you know, muzzies are such sick Jew-haters that they blame Jews even for what their violent Nazi so-called "holy" books quran and hadiths say.
They often claim how the mind of their pedophile "prophet" Muhammad (ys'v) was corrupted by Jews and this is why he started stoning people to death (I kid you not, this is what these parasitic filthy subhumans claim). Muzzies don't like pointing out at their own Nazi religion, so this is when these muslim fanatics in Afghanistan invented this absurd myth that they are one of the "lost tribes of Israel" in order to claim that the reason they oppress women is because they follow laws of Torah, which muslim scum often likes to accuse of the so-called mistreatment of women.
Even if there are certain customs Pashtuns practice outside of islam, they have nothing to do with Halakha. Pashtuns trace their origins to ancient Persians and had been practicing Zoroastrianism before embracing islam. Zoroastrianism and Judaism share many similar laws, so it is likely that Pashtunwali (Pashtun code of conduct) is based on Zoroastrianism. But the claim that they are lost Jews is absurd beyond belief.
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Im sorry, but I think this is a troll trying to troll us...
Going on and on about these pashtuns... I can care less if they are or are not a lost tribe. And this troll says she doesn't believe that they are, so who cares? One way or another from a Jewish perspective it is ridiculous.
If they are and they want to do teshuva, the door is open. But if they don't and they want to persist in their evil, that is their decision. Let them roast in hell...
This pashtungirl troll accuses America of creating the taliban. That is another lie. America did support al queda in the fight against USSR, but America did not give them the jihad which is commanded by the Koran. They did that themselves, and turned the very weapons we gave them against America, because as the Koran teaches them all infidels must either convert, die, or pay the jizzah.
That 'she' claims to be atheist is another clue that this person is trolling. Islam proscribes very severe punishments for apostasy. I wish that pashtun girl would go to her muslim brothers and tell them what she thinks about allah, I'm sure we will not hear from her again.
I hope that in the end we can see the troll for what it is. How many days have we wasted on this?
Islam is a wicked belief and those who practice it are enemies of G-d. As we are the people of Hashem they are enemies of the Jewish people. Personally Islam is my enemy...
I don't think you had to read more than one post to know this.
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Go on a religious forum if you want to convert. This is a right-wing political forum.
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Apparently, Jewishness is about neither religion nor race. Unlike a race, you can get in, but unlike religion, once you’re in you can’t get out. As with Achan, once you are a part of this people, you are the entire people. As Israel is eternal, so your bond with them is irreversible, unbreakable and eternal.
But most Jews are an ethnicity. The real reason that Jews are successful is because the Ashkenazim have the highest IQ of any ethnic group in the world (and that is genetic).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence)
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I don't think you had to read more than one post to know this.
Bullcat what the [censored] im trolling? how many time do i have 2 repeat the same [censored] 2u 1 i already said it here on ma posta that im cunfuse about israelties origin and wow i accused america 4 founding talis where th [censored] are u living in cave plus the whole world knows its america who founded and its true call me whateva u likeCIA worked with Pakistan to create Taliban"
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LONDON: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here.
"I warned them that we were creating a monster," Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars said at the conference here last week on "Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia."
Harrison said: "The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan." The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said.
Harrison, who spoke before the Taliban assault on the Buddha statues was launched, told the gathering of security experts that he had meetings with CIA leaders at the time when Islamic forces were being strengthened in Afghanistan. "They told me these people were fanatical, and the more fierce they were the more fiercely they would fight the Soviets," he said. "I warned them that we were creating a monster."
Harrison, who has written five books on Asian affairs and US relations with Asia, has had extensive contact with the CIA and political leaders in South Asia. Harrison was a senior associate of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace between 1974 and 1996.
Harrison who is now senior fellow with The Century Foundation recalled a conversation he had with the late Gen Zia-ul Haq of Pakistan. "Gen Zia spoke to me about expanding Pakistan's sphere of influence to control Afghanistan, then Uzbekistan and Tajikstan and then Iran and Turkey," Harrison said. That design continues, he said. Gen.Mohammed Aziz who was involved in that Zia plan has been elevated now to a key position by Chief Executive, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Harrison said.
The old associations between the intelligence agencies continue, Harrison said. "The CIA still has close links with the ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence)."
Today that money and those weapons have helped build up the Taliban, Harrison said. "The Taliban are not just recruits from 'madrassas' (Muslim theological schools) but are on the payroll of the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence, the intelligence wing of the Pakistani government)." The Taliban are now "making a living out of terrorism."
Harrison said the UN Security Council resolution number 1333 calls for an embargo on arms to the Taliban. "But it is a resolution without teeth because it does not provide sanctions for non-compliance," he said. "The US is not backing the Russians who want to give more teeth to the resolution."
Now it is Pakistan that "holds the key to the future of Afghanistan," Harrison said. The creation of the Taliban was central to Pakistan's "pan-Islamic vision," Harrison said.
It came after "the CIA made the historic mistake of encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan," he said. The creation of the Taliban had been "actively encouraged by the ISI and the CIA," he said. "Pakistan has been building up Afghan collaborators who will sustain Pakistan," he said. And here watch this 2. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQMFgLzUWLk and thishttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7kIhvgeNg and im i joined the the jtf just 2 learn about ma origin and get rid off the cunfusion and im not gonna waiste ma time with u guys u people are so narrow minded
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Pashtuns are muslims who inhabit Afghanistan where they form the majority of muslim Nazi Taliban, which is known for its savagely brutal treatment of women. They veil, lock, segregate, beat, stone, behead, mutilate their women and treat them worse than chattel. Of course, they cannot blame their Nazi so-called "religion" islam. As you know, muzzies are such sick Jew-haters that they blame Jews even for what their violent Nazi so-called "holy" books quran and hadiths say.
They often claim how the mind of their pedophile "prophet" Muhammad (ys'v) was corrupted by Jews and this is why he started stoning people to death (I kid you not, this is what these parasitic filthy subhumans claim). Muzzies don't like pointing out at their own Nazi religion, so this is when these muslim fanatics in Afghanistan invented this absurd myth that they are one of the "lost tribes of Israel" in order to claim that the reason they oppress women is because they follow laws of Torah, which muslim scum often likes to accuse of the so-called mistreatment of women.
Even if there are certain customs Pashtuns practice outside of islam, they have nothing to do with Halakha. Pashtuns trace their origins to ancient Persians and had been practicing Zoroastrianism before embracing islam. Zoroastrianism and Judaism share many similar laws, so it is likely that Pashtunwali (Pashtun code of conduct) is based on Zoroastrianism. But the claim that they are lost Jews is absurd beyond belief.
Do u even know what is zoroastrian is ? zoroarz people where were worshping a fire be4 islam we pashtun worshiped one god and islam came we accepted so and im afghan girl proud 2 be ma parents loves me more than anything and whateva i want 2 do tey let me and u saw somedick heads doesnt mean that represents all afghan mens and nobody said it we are following thora law or to make thora bad and thora is palce in afghanistan so if u say 2 any1 other of us they wil think that u talking about the palce in suthren afghanistan and we pashtuns are not persains at all i believe we are ancient greek
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Why is everyone picking on Pashtun Girl all she did is ask a question.She also unmasks the Jew hater Brezinski
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Go on a religious forum if you want to convert. This is a right-wing political forum.
Thanks ill try it
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Why is everyone picking on Pashtun Girl all she did is ask a question.She also unmasks the Jew hater Brezinski
Mord love ya and i appericate ur comments thanks
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Unmasks Brezinzki? Are you kidding? Who here believed this Jew hating agent of Jimmy Carter (his national security adivser) was ever anything but a Jew hater?
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Your blaming CIA and America for the Taliban is misplaced. Their barbaric practices are straight from the Koran and the islamic tradition not from America or at Americas request. The only thing which CIA wanted was to establish a fighting force to oppose the Soviet presence in Afghanistan. It was the cursed Carter administration (although continued by Reagan/Bush till 1989) which started this program, called Operation Cyclone, which intended to degrade soviets position in the war in Afghanistan. To think that the purpose was to spread islam is foolish, very few Americans were involved with how the weapons and support were used...
See this article from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
The program[edit]
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On 3 July 1979, Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[2] Following the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[12]
President Reagan greatly expanded the program as part of the Reagan Doctrine of aiding anti-Soviet resistance movements abroad. To execute this policy, Reagan deployed CIA Special Activities Division paramilitary officers to equip the Mujihadeen forces against the Red Army. Although the CIA and Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson have received the most attention for their roles, the key architect of the strategy was Michael G. Vickers, a young CIA paramilitary officer working for Gust Avrakotos, the CIA's regional head who had a close relationship with Wilson. Vicker's strategy was to use a broad mix of weapons, tactics, logistics, along with training programs, to enhance the rebels' ability to fight a guerilla war against the Soviets.[13][14] Reagan's program assisted in ending the Soviet's occupation in Afghanistan.[15][16] A Pentagon senior official, Michael Pillsbury, successfully advocated providing Stinger missiles to the Afghan resistance, according to recent books and academic articles.[17]
The program relied heavily on the Pakistani President Mohammad Zia ul-Haq, who had a close relationship with Wilson. His Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was an intermediary for funds distribution, passing of weapons, military training and financial support to Afghan resistance groups.[18] Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia, and the People's Republic of China,[19] the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992[citation needed]. They encouraged the volunteers from the Arab states to join the Afghan resistance in its struggle against the Soviet troops based in Afghanistan.[18]
According to Peter Bergen, writing in Holy War, Inc., no Americans trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen.[20] The skittish CIA had fewer than 10 operatives in the region because it "feared it would be blamed, like in Guatemala".[21] Civilian personnel from the U.S. Department of State and the CIA frequently visited the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area during this time, and the US contributed generously to aiding Afghan refugees.
The U.S.-built Stinger antiaircraft missile, supplied to the mujahideen in very large numbers beginning in 1986, struck a decisive blow to the Soviet war effort as it allowed the lightly armed Afghans to effectively defend against Soviet helicopter landings in strategic areas. The Stingers were so renowned and deadly that, in the 1990s, the U.S. conducted a "buy-back" program to keep unused missiles from falling into the hands of anti-American terrorists. This program may have been covertly renewed following the U.S. intervention in Afghanistan in late 2001, out of fear that remaining Stingers could be used against U.S. forces in the country.[22]
With U.S. and other funding, the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents[citation needed]. On 20 July 1987, the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country was announced pursuant to the negotiations that led to the Geneva Accords of 1988,[23] with the last Soviets leaving on 15 February 1989. Soviet forces suffered over 14,000 killed and missing, and over 50,000 wounded.
This is just more proof that the kinds of programs Obama is considering to wage war against ISIS are doomed to fail. By giving weapons to one radical islamic group or the other, the weapons will always end up being used against American interests. We must have a fighting machine capable of independently decimating the enemies of America and Israel.
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Apparently the Taliban is pro-Pashtun... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Origin
The Taliban initially enjoyed goodwill from Afghans weary of the warlords' corruption, brutality, and incessant fighting.[191] However, this popularity was not universal, particularly among non-Pashtuns.
The Taliban's extremely strict and anti-modern ideology has been described as an "innovative form of sharia combining Pashtun tribal codes,"[192] or Pashtunwali, with radical Deobandi interpretations of Islam favored by JUI and its splinter groups. Also contributing to the mix was the jihadism and pan-Islamism of Osama bin Laden.[193] Their ideology was a departure from the Islamism of the anti-Soviet mujahideen rulers they replaced who tended to be mystical Sufis, traditionalists, or radical Islamicists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan).[194]
Under the Taliban regime, Sharia law was interpreted to forbid a wide variety of previously lawful activities in Afghanistan. One Taliban list of prohibitions included: pork, pig, pig oil, anything made from human hair, satellite dishes, cinematography, musical equipment, pool tables, chess, masks, alcohol, tapes, computers, VCRs, television, anything that propagates sex and is full of music, wine, lobster, nail polish, firecrackers, statues, sewing catalogs, pictures, Christmas cards.[195] They also got rid of employment, education, sports for all women, dancing, clapping during sports events, kite flying, and characterizations of living things, including drawings, paintings, photographs, stuffed animals, and dolls. Men had to have a fist size beard at the bottom of their chin. Conversely, they had to wear their head hair short. They had to wear a head covering.[196]
Many of these activities were hitherto lawful in Afghanistan. Critics complained that most Afghans followed a different, less strict, and less intrusive interpretation of Islam. The Taliban did not eschew all traditional popular practices. For example, they did not destroy the graves of Sufi pirs (holy men), and emphasized dreams as a means of revelation.[197] They also frequently used the pre-Islamic Pashtun tribal code, Pashtunwali in deciding certain social matters, which often contradicted the Qu'ran. Such is the case with the Pashtun practice of dividing inheritances equally among sons, even though the Qur'an clearly states that women are to receive an equal share.[198]
Taliban have been described as both anti-nationalist and Pushtun nationalist. According to journalist Ahmed Rashid, at least in the first years of their rule, they adopted Deobandi and Islamist anti-nationalist beliefs, and opposed "tribal and feudal structures," eliminating traditional tribal or feudal leaders from leadership roles.[199] According to Ali A. Jalali and Lester Grau, the Taliban "received extensive support from Pashtuns across the country who thought that the movement might restore their national dominance. Even Pashtun intellectuals in the West, who differed with the Taliban on many issues, expressed support for the movement on purely ethnic grounds."[200]
Like Wahhabi and other Deobandis, the Taliban do not consider Shiʻi to be Muslims. The Shia in Afghanistan consist mostly of the Hazara ethnic group which totaled almost 10% of Afghanistan's population.[201]
The Taliban were averse to debating doctrine with other Muslims. "The Taliban did not allow even Muslim reporters to question [their] edicts or to discuss interpretations of the Qur'an."[202]
The Taliban mainly strictly enforced its ideologies in major cities like Herat, Kabul, and Kandahar. In rural areas the Taliban had little direct control, and the Taliban had promoted village jirgas, so it did not as stringently enforce its ideology in rural areas.[203]
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Apparently the Taliban is pro-Pashtun... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Origin
The Taliban initially enjoyed goodwill from Afghans weary of the warlords' corruption, brutality, and incessant fighting.[191] However, this popularity was not universal, particularly among non-Pashtuns.
The Taliban's extremely strict and anti-modern ideology has been described as an "innovative form of sharia combining Pashtun tribal codes,"[192] or Pashtunwali, with radical Deobandi interpretations of Islam favored by JUI and its splinter groups. Also contributing to the mix was the jihadism and pan-Islamism of Osama bin Laden.[193] Their ideology was a departure from the Islamism of the anti-Soviet mujahideen rulers they replaced who tended to be mystical Sufis, traditionalists, or radical Islamicists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan).[194]
Under the Taliban regime, Sharia law was interpreted to forbid a wide variety of previously lawful activities in Afghanistan. One Taliban list of prohibitions included: pork, pig, pig oil, anything made from human hair, satellite dishes, cinematography, musical equipment, pool tables, chess, masks, alcohol, tapes, computers, VCRs, television, anything that propagates sex and is full of music, wine, lobster, nail polish, firecrackers, statues, sewing catalogs, pictures, Christmas cards.[195] They also got rid of employment, education, sports for all women, dancing, clapping during sports events, kite flying, and characterizations of living things, including drawings, paintings, photographs, stuffed animals, and dolls. Men had to have a fist size beard at the bottom of their chin. Conversely, they had to wear their head hair short. They had to wear a head covering.[196]
Many of these activities were hitherto lawful in Afghanistan. Critics complained that most Afghans followed a different, less strict, and less intrusive interpretation of Islam. The Taliban did not eschew all traditional popular practices. For example, they did not destroy the graves of Sufi pirs (holy men), and emphasized dreams as a means of revelation.[197] They also frequently used the pre-Islamic Pashtun tribal code, Pashtunwali in deciding certain social matters, which often contradicted the Qu'ran. Such is the case with the Pashtun practice of dividing inheritances equally among sons, even though the Qur'an clearly states that women are to receive an equal share.[198]
Taliban have been described as both anti-nationalist and Pushtun nationalist. According to journalist Ahmed Rashid, at least in the first years of their rule, they adopted Deobandi and Islamist anti-nationalist beliefs, and opposed "tribal and feudal structures," eliminating traditional tribal or feudal leaders from leadership roles.[199] According to Ali A. Jalali and Lester Grau, the Taliban "received extensive support from Pashtuns across the country who thought that the movement might restore their national dominance. Even Pashtun intellectuals in the West, who differed with the Taliban on many issues, expressed support for the movement on purely ethnic grounds."[200]
Like Wahhabi and other Deobandis, the Taliban do not consider Shiʻi to be Muslims. The Shia in Afghanistan consist mostly of the Hazara ethnic group which totaled almost 10% of Afghanistan's population.[201]
The Taliban were averse to debating doctrine with other Muslims. "The Taliban did not allow even Muslim reporters to question [their] edicts or to discuss interpretations of the Qur'an."[202]
The Taliban mainly strictly enforced its ideologies in major cities like Herat, Kabul, and Kandahar. In rural areas the Taliban had little direct control, and the Taliban had promoted village jirgas, so it did not as stringently enforce its ideology in rural areas.[203]
Really u got the information from wiki and written probably by persains who are anti pashtuns and talibans killed more pashtuns than any other people in afghanistan and pakistan so how the [censored] are they pro pashtuns?
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Your blaming CIA and America for the Taliban is misplaced. Their barbaric practices are straight from the Koran and the islamic tradition not from America or at Americas request. The only thing which CIA wanted was to establish a fighting force to oppose the Soviet presence in Afghanistan. It was the cursed Carter administration (although continued by Reagan/Bush till 1989) which started this program, called Operation Cyclone, which intended to degrade soviets position in the war in Afghanistan. To think that the purpose was to spread islam is foolish, very few Americans were involved with how the weapons and support were used...
U are probably american so off course u gonna denie it that ur gov are the 1 who supported mujahedins during the sovite time and also u people dont like r April 1978, the communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan in the Saur Revolution. Within months, opponents of the communist government launched an uprising in eastern Afghanistan that quickly expanded into a civil war waged by guerrilla mujahideen against government forces countrywide. The Pakistani government provided these rebels with covert training centers, while the Soviet Union sent thousands of military advisers to support the PDPA government.[4] Meanwhile, increasing friction between the competing factions of the PDPA – the dominant Khalq and the more moderate Parcham – resulted in the dismissal of Parchami cabinet members and the arrest of Parchami military officers under the pretext of a Parchami coup.
By mid-1979, the United States had started a covert program to finance the mujahideen.[5] President Carter's National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was later quoted as saying that the goal of the program was to "induce a Soviet military intervention",[6][7] but later clarified that this was "a very sensationalized and abbreviated" misquotation and that the Soviet invasion occurred largely because of previous U.S. failures to restrain Soviet expansionism.[8][9] According to Eric Alterman, writing in The Nation, Cyrus Vance's close aide Marshall Shulman "insists that the State Department worked hard to dissuade the Soviets from invading and would never have undertaken a program to encourage it, though he says he was unaware of the covert program at the time. Indeed, Vance hardly seems to be represented at all in Gates's recounting".[10]
In September 1979, Khalqist President Nur Muhammad Taraki was assassinated in a coup within the PDPA orchestrated by fellow Khalq member Hafizullah Amin, who assumed the presidency. Distrusted by the Soviets, Amin was assassinated by Soviet special forces in December 1979. A Soviet-organized government, led by Parcham's Babrak Karmal but inclusive of both factions, filled the vacuum. Soviet troops were deployed to stabilize Afghanistan under Karmal in more substantial numbers, although the Soviet government did not expect to do most of the fighting in Afghanistan. As a result, however, the Soviets were now directly involved in what had been a domestic war in Afghanistan.[11]
At the time some believed the Soviets were attempting to expand their borders southward in order to gain a foothold in the Middle East. The Soviet Union had long had a dearth of warm water ports, and their movement south seemed to position them for further expansion toward Pakistan in the East, and Iran to the West. American politicians, Republicans and Democrats alike, feared the Soviets were positioning themselves for a takeover of Middle Eastern oil. Others believed that the Soviet Union was afraid Iran's Islamic Revolution and Afghanistan's Islamization would spread to the millions of Muslims in the USSR.
After the invasion, President Jimmy Carter announced what became known as the Carter Doctrine: that the U.S. would not allow any other outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf. He terminated the Soviet Wheat Deal in January 1980, which was intended to establish trade with USSR and lessen Cold War tensions. The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. That same year, Carter also made two of the most unpopular decisions of his entire Presidency: prohibiting American athletes from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstating registration for the draft for young males. Following the Soviet invasion, the United States supported diplomatic efforts to achieve a Soviet withdrawal. In addition, generous U.S. contributions to the refugee program in Pakistan played a major part in efforts to assist Afghan refugees.
The programEdit
A mujahideen resistance fighter shoots an SA-7, 1988.
On 3 July 1979, Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[2] Following the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[12]
President Reagan greatly expanded the program as part of the Reagan Doctrine of aiding anti-Soviet resistance movements abroad. To execute this policy, Reagan deployed CIA Special Activities Division paramilitary officers to equip the Mujihadeen forces against the Red Army. Although the CIA and Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson have received the most attention for their roles, the key architect of the strategy was Michael G. Vickers, a young CIA paramilitary officer working for Gust Avrakotos, the CIA's regional head who had a close relationship with Wilson. Vicker's strategy was to use a broad mix of weapons, tactics, logistics, along with training programs, to enhance the rebels' ability to fight a guerilla war against the Soviets.[13][14] Reagan's program assisted in ending the Soviet's occupation in Afghanistan.[15][16] A Pentagon senior official, Michael Pillsbury, successfully advocated providing Stinger missiles to the Afghan resistance, according to recent books and academic articles.[17]
The program relied heavily on the Pakistani President Mohammad Zia ul-Haq, who had a close relationship with Wilson. His Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was an intermediary for funds distribution, passing of weapons, military training and financial support to Afghan resistance groups.[18] Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia, and the People's Republic of China,[19] the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992[citation needed]. They encouraged the volunteers from the Arab states to join the Afghan resistance in its struggle against the Soviet troops based in Afghanistan.[18]
According to Peter Bergen, writing in Holy War, Inc., no Americans trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen.[20] The skittish CIA had fewer than 10 operatives in the region because it "feared it would be blamed, like in Guatemala".[21] Civilian personnel from the U.S. Department of State and the CIA frequently visited the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area during this time, and the US contributed generously to aiding Afghan refugees.
The U.S.-built Stinger antiaircraft missile, supplied to the mujahideen in very large numbers beginning in 1986, struck a decisive blow to the Soviet war effort as it allowed the lightly armed Afghans to effectively defend against Soviet helicopter landings in strategic areas. The Stingers were so renowned and deadly that, in the 1990s, the U.S. conducted a "buy-back" program to keep unused missiles from falling into the hands of anti-American terrorists. This program may have been covertly renewed following the U.S. intervention in Afghanistan in late 2001, out of fear that remaining Stingers could be used against U.S. forces in the country.[22]
With U.S. and other funding, the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents[citation needed]. On 20 July 1987, the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country was announced pursuant to the negotiations that led to the Geneva Accords of 1988,[23] with the last Soviets leaving on 15 February 1989. Soviet forces suffered over 14,000 killed and missing, and over 50,000 wounded.
Funding
President Reagan meeting with Afghan Mujahideen leaders in the Oval Office in 1983
See also: Reagan Doctrine
The U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales. The U.S. also sold 40 F-16 aircraft to Pakistan during 1983–87 at a cost of $1.2 billion outside the assistance package. The second six-year assistance package (1987–93) amounted to $4.2 billion. Out of this, $2.28 billion were allocated for economic assistance in the form of grants or loan that carried the interest rate of 2–3 per cent. The rest of the allocation ($1.74 billion) was in the form of credit for military purchases.[18] Sale of non-U.S. arms to Pakistan for destination to Afghanistan was facilitated by Israel.[24] More than $20 billion in U.S. funds were funneled into the country to train and arm the Afghan resistance groups.[25]
The program funding was increased yearly due to lobbying by prominent U.S. politicians and government officials, such as Charles Wilson, Gordon Humphrey, Fred Ikle, and William Casey. Under the Reagan administration, U.S. support for the Afghan mujahideen evolved into a centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy, called the Reagan Doctrine, in which the U.S. provided military and other support to anti-communist resistance movements in Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua, and elsewhere.
The mujahideen benefited from expanded foreign military support from the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Muslim nations. Saudi Arabia in particular agreed to match dollar for dollar the money the CIA was sending to the Mujahideen. When Saudi payments were late, Wilson and Avrakotos would fly to Saudi Arabia to persuade the monarchy to fulfill its commitments.[26]
Levels of support to the various Afghan factions varied. The ISI tended to favor vigorous Islamists like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar of Hezb-i-Islami, and Jalaluddin Haqqani. Some Americans agreed.[26][27] However others favored the relative moderates like Ahmed Shah Massoud. These included two Heritage Foundation foreign policy analysts, Michael Johns and James A. Phillips, both of whom championed Massoud as the Afghan resistance leader most worthy of US support under the Reagan Doctrine.[28][29][30]ussia and in
This is just more proof that the kinds of programs Obama is considering to wage war against ISIS are doomed to fail. By giving weapons to one radical islamic group or the other, the weapons will always end up being used against American interests. We must have a fighting machine capable of independently decimating the enemies of America and Israel.
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From everything I found. ... The majority of the Taliban were Pashtun.
What are the chances of a muzz rat coming on the forum the week of 911 talking trash about America. ..and them not being a troll?
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From everything I found. ... The majority of the Taliban were Pashtun.
What are the chances of a muzz rat coming on the forum the week of 911 talking trash about America. ..and them not being a troll?
Liar talibans are from all over the muslim countries not just pashtun and did u got fuked by pashtuns or something that u hate them and the whole world knows who done it 911 and rat is better than u
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Liar talibans are from all over the muslim countries not just pashtun and did u got fuked by pashtuns or something that u hate them and the whole world knows who done it 911 and rat is better than u
I feel a ban coming on.... Moderators, have a look at this!
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http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/taliban-afghanistan/p10551
Introduction
The Taliban is a predominantly Pashtun, Islamic fundamentalist group that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001, when a U.S.-led invasion toppled the regime for providing refuge to al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. The Taliban regrouped across the border in Pakistan, where its central leadership, headed by Mullah Mohammed Omar, leads an insurgency against the Western-backed government in Kabul. Both the United States and Afghanistan have pursued a negotiated settlement with the Taliban, but talks have little momentum as international forces prepare to conclude combat operations in December 2014 and withdraw by the end of 2016.
Rise of the Taliban
The Taliban was formed in the early 1990s by an Afghan faction of mujahideen, Islamic fighters who had resisted the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979–89) with the covert backing of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and its Pakistani counterpart, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate (ISI). They were joined by younger Pashtun tribesmen who studied in Pakistani madrassas, or seminaries; taliban is Pashto for "students." Pashtuns comprise a plurality in Afghanistan and are the predominant ethnic group in much of the country's south and east.
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Liar talibans are from all over the muslim countries not just pashtun and did u got fuked by pashtuns or something that u hate them and the whole world knows who done it 911 and rat is better than u
Who did do 911? No I didn't get fuked by Pushtuns (probably) I got fuked by MUSLIMS! No I don't hate Pushtuns, I HATE MUZZ RATS (Muslims)!!!!! You are a disgrace to your genes! Mohamhead was a murderer, fag, child rapist!
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http://southasia.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/06/09/the_pashtuns_and_the_taliban
The Pashtuns and the Taliban
Abubakar Siddique, The Pashtun Question: The Unresolved Key to the Future of Pakistan and Afghanistan (London: C. Hurst and Co., 2014).
Hassan Abbas, The Taliban Revival: Violence and Extremism on the Pakistan-Afghanistan Frontier (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2014).
In these two well-written and comprehensive academic press books, Abubakar Siddique and Hassan Abbas attempt to deal with two different questions. Siddique asks about the future of the Pashtun people on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, while Abbas muses on the return of the Taliban in the same region. However, the two books end up covering remarkably similar ground. At least at this point in history, it appears it is impossible to talk about the future of the Pashtuns without discussing the Taliban, and impossible to discuss the future of the Taliban with talking about the Pashtuns.
While almost all general readers will have at least some conception of who the Taliban are (though both of these books will give more nuance), the identity of the Pashtuns may be less clear. The Pashtuns are a tribal people of about 40-50 million who occupy the largely mountainous space in the East and South of Afghanistan, and the North and West of Pakistan. In an interesting twist, while the majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan, they are an ethnic minority in a population of about 170 million, while the minority of Pashtuns who live in Afghanistan constitute the ethnic majority in that much smaller country.
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http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html
Even after their ouster, the Taliban's brand of Islamist radicalism threatens to destabilize other countries in the region including Iran, China, Uzbekistan, and Pakistan. The Taliban's relationship with Pakistan is especially problematic. A high percentage of the Taliban are ethnic Pashtuns; Pashtuns are a sizable minority in Pakistan and dominate the Pakistani military. Public support for the Taliban runs very high in the Pashtun North-West Frontier province where pro-Taliban groups have held uprisings and sought to emulate Taliban practices by performing public executions and oppressing women.
Read more: The Taliban | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz3DXBlmCsa
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Liar talibans are from all over the muslim countries not just pashtun and did u got fuked by pashtuns or something that u hate them and the whole world knows who done it 911 and rat is better than u
Tell us, pashtungay, why do you keep telling people that our Holy Torah tells your backward muslamics to oppress women? Why do you, muslim cockroaches, keep whitewashing genocidal hatred of your [censored] Koran? Why do you mutilate your women and then point fingers at Jews instead of acknowledging anti-women brutality sanctioned by your own [censored] "religion" islam?
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Tell us, pashtungay, why do you keep telling people that our Holy Torah tells your backward muslamics to oppress women? Why do you, muslim cockroaches, keep whitewashing genocidal hatred of your [censored] Koran? Why do you mutilate your women and then point fingers at Jews instead of acknowledging anti-women brutality sanctioned by your own [censored] "religion" islam?
Lolim girl how im a gay? And like i said be4 i live here in russia and still here ma parents are pashtuns and they love me more than anything never got opreess and who said that torah tell us 2 opress women or anything?
i told u be4 if u read ma previews comments that if u talk 2 any other of us they will think that u talking about thora which is a place in southren fghanistan
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Apparently the Taliban is pro-Pashtun... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Origin
The Taliban initially enjoyed goodwill from Afghans weary of the warlords' corruption, brutality, and incessant fighting.[191] However, this popularity was not universal, particularly among non-Pashtuns.
The Taliban's extremely strict and anti-modern ideology has been described as an "innovative form of sharia combining Pashtun tribal codes,"[192] or Pashtunwali, with radical Deobandi interpretations of Islam favored by JUI and its splinter groups. Also contributing to the mix was the jihadism and pan-Islamism of Osama bin Laden.[193] Their ideology was a departure from the Islamism of the anti-Soviet mujahideen rulers they replaced who tended to be mystical Sufis, traditionalists, or radical Islamicists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan).[194]
Under the Taliban regime, Sharia law was interpreted to forbid a wide variety of previously lawful activities in Afghanistan. One Taliban list of prohibitions included: pork, pig, pig oil, anything made from human hair, satellite dishes, cinematography, musical equipment, pool tables, chess, masks, alcohol, tapes, computers, VCRs, television, anything that propagates sex and is full of music, wine, lobster, nail polish, firecrackers, statues, sewing catalogs, pictures, Christmas cards.[195] They also got rid of employment, education, sports for all women, dancing, clapping during sports events, kite flying, and characterizations of living things, including drawings, paintings, photographs, stuffed animals, and dolls. Men had to have a fist size beard at the bottom of their chin. Conversely, they had to wear their head hair short. They had to wear a head covering.[196]
Many of these activities were hitherto lawful in Afghanistan. Critics complained that most Afghans followed a different, less strict, and less intrusive interpretation of Islam. The Taliban did not eschew all traditional popular practices. For example, they did not destroy the graves of Sufi pirs (holy men), and emphasized dreams as a means of revelation.[197] They also frequently used the pre-Islamic Pashtun tribal code, Pashtunwali in deciding certain social matters, which often contradicted the Qu'ran. Such is the case with the Pashtun practice of dividing inheritances equally among sons, even though the Qur'an clearly states that women are to receive an equal share.[198]
Taliban have been described as both anti-nationalist and Pushtun nationalist. According to journalist Ahmed Rashid, at least in the first years of their rule, they adopted Deobandi and Islamist anti-nationalist beliefs, and opposed "tribal and feudal structures," eliminating traditional tribal or feudal leaders from leadership roles.[199] According to Ali A. Jalali and Lester Grau, the Taliban "received extensive support from Pashtuns across the country who thought that the movement might restore their national dominance. Even Pashtun intellectuals in the West, who differed with the Taliban on many issues, expressed support for the movement on purely ethnic grounds."[200]
Like Wahhabi and other Deobandis, the Taliban do not consider Shiʻi to be Muslims. The Shia in Afghanistan consist mostly of the Hazara ethnic group which totaled almost 10% of Afghanistan's population.[201]
The Taliban were averse to debating doctrine with other Muslims. "The Taliban did not allow even Muslim reporters to question [their] edicts or to discuss interpretations of the Qur'an."[202]
The Taliban mainly strictly enforced its ideologies in major cities like Herat, Kabul, and Kandahar. In rural areas the Taliban had little direct control, and the Taliban had promoted village jirgas, so it did not as stringently enforce its ideology in rural areas.[203]
And the reseon osma bin laden was giving refuge coz as pashtun we believe in pashtunwali which said pashtun tribal honour codes:
Melmastia – hospitality: This hospitality requires that any person be afforded the host’s protection. While in the care and company of the host, a guest should neither be harmed nor surrendered to an enemy. Hospitality and protection must be offered to all visitors without expectation of favour.
Nanawatay – asylum, mercy: This is used to describe protection extended to a person who requests protection against his/her enemies even if the request for asylum and protection is sought among the enemy. The person seeking peace is expected to ritually humiliate himself in some way. The act of self-humiliation is supposed to elicit a magnanimous gesture of forgiveness and leniency from the foe-turned-protector. Once Nanawatay is requested and granted, the resquestor is protected at all costs.t so thats the reason we our people protected obama bin laden
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Tell us, pashtungay, why do you keep telling people that our Holy Torah tells your backward muslamics to oppress women? Why do you, muslim cockroaches, keep whitewashing genocidal hatred of your [censored] Koran? Why do you mutilate your women and then point fingers at Jews instead of acknowledging anti-women brutality sanctioned by your own [censored] "religion" islam?
Read the book or watched the movie called LONE SURVIVOR, 2 know about pashtunwali rather than making stuff up about opressing and the movie is made by americans
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http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html
Even after their ouster, the Taliban's brand of Islamist radicalism threatens to destabilize other countries in the region including Iran, China, Uzbekistan, and Pakistan. The Taliban's relationship with Pakistan is especially problematic. A high percentage of the Taliban are ethnic Pashtuns; Pashtuns are a sizable minority in Pakistan and dominate the Pakistani military. Public support for the Taliban runs very high in the Pashtun North-West Frontier province where pro-Taliban groups have held uprisings and sought to emulate Taliban practices by performing public executions and oppressing women.
Read more: The Taliban | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz3DXBlmCsa
Talibans get support from isi and its easy 4 the isi 2 use some poor uneducated pashtuns young boys 2 do thier dirty works and the pashtuns that living in russia or somewhere else are mostly in the army or doctors ma brother in the army while ma dad is a doctor and we know our enemies who they are while the pashtuns that living over there got no idea and they being used by enemies as shields and also gived us a bad name
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This muslim terrorist supporting beast has been banned.
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When one shows mercy to his enemy, it will be like thorns in his side.
Muslims are the enemy
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Well im learning about christainty and also im gonna start learning about jews religions 2 its good 2 know about different religions and also islam
Hello Pashtun girl.
First, let me apologise for some of the posts here. I didnt read everything but I did notice someone said you harmed your sole and you're not really Israelis. These are uneducated posts. You are Israelis and your soul is great and you actually keep more parts of the Israeli Tora (given to our and your ancestors by prophet Moses) thwn a lot of secular Jews.
Second, I would like to suggest to you this article, which explains why you are defenitely the people of Israel, meaning the Jews and the Pashtuns are two halfs of the same people:
http://therationalvictory.com/Truth/BeneIsrael.html
Third, please do join our facebook group of the people of israel - Pashtuns and Jews:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1673613199574399