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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Spiraling Leopard on August 23, 2012, 03:08:08 PM
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http://clashdaily.com/2012/08/graphic-muslims-cut-off-christians-head-for-not-renouncing-christ/
Liberal talk show host Tawfiq Okasha recently appeared on “Egypt Today” airing a video of Muslims in Tunisia slicing a young man’s head off for the crime of apostasy, in this case, the crime of converting to Christianity and refusing to renounce it. The video—be warned, it is immensely graphic—can be seen here (the actual execution appears from minute 1:13-4:00).
For those who prefer not to view it, a summary follows:
A young man appears held down by masked men. His head is pulled back, with a knife to his throat. He does not struggle and appears resigned to his fate. Speaking in Arabic, the background speaker, or “narrator,” chants a number of Muslim prayers and supplications, mostly condemning Christianity, which, because of the Trinity, is referred to as a polytheistic faith: “Let Allah be avenged on the polytheist apostate”; “Allah empower your religion, make it victorious against the polytheists”; “Allah, defeat the infidels at the hands of the Muslims”; “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.”
Then, to cries of “Allahu Akbar!”—or, “God is great!”—the man holding the knife to the apostate’s throat begins to slice away, even as the victim appears calmly mouthing a prayer. It takes nearly two minutes of graphic knife-carving to sever the Christian’s head, which is then held aloft to more Islamic cries and slogans of victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxGWlOQZyEs
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Heinous! Muslamic do not really deserve any past, present or future existence.
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The christian won because he did not submit. The muslim terrorists lost because they failed to make the victim renounce.
I'm surprised he didn't make the slightest struggle. He may have been beaten mercilessly prior and probably welcomed death.
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Why are muslims such sick bloodthirsty beasts ?! I think the term "muslim nazi" is redundant, it's enough to just say "muslim".
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This is what they would love to do to all the Jews, too. Now imagine if only they had an atomic bomb.................................................
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Was this guy a natural born Christian or a Muslim turned Christian? Either way it was disgusting.
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Was this guy a natural born Christian or a Muslim turned Christian? Either way it was disgusting.
I think he was born muslim. And so According to shariah law the punishment for converting away from Islam is death.
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I think he was born muslim. And so According to shariah law the punishment for converting away from Islam is death.
That is disgusting. No religion should do that.
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Even by the muslim law they are not allowed to do this. One Russian soldier had similar faith and later declared a saint in Russian Orthodox Church.
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Muslims need there heads sawed off
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Even by the muslim law they are not allowed to do this. One Russian soldier had similar faith and later declared a saint in Russian Orthodox Church.
What are you talking about ? Shariah doesn't permit leaving Islam under pain of death, it is very clear on this. Even the "civilian" law in many muslim countries like Pakistan, Iran and of course most Arab countries, forbids leaving Islam under pain of death.
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I'm not angry or upset, I know karma will come. Egypt will be returned to the Copts, our Orthodox Christians brothers, and the Arabs will pay. G-d will give Egypt back to the original inhabitants, I know it. The great Egyptian civilization will rise again free of Arabs.
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I'm not angry or upset, I know karma will come. Egypt will be returned to the Copts, our Orthodox Christians brothers, and the Arabs will pay. G-d will give Egypt back to the original inhabitants, I know it. The great Egyptian civilization will rise again free of Arabs.
What 'great Egyptian civilization' are you referring to?
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What 'great Egyptian civilization' are you referring to?
The one that enslaved the Jews?
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm
Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
Hadith:
Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Contemporary Shariah law:
The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."
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What 'great Egyptian civilization' are you referring to?
I refer to pyramids, first chariots, irrigation, hieroglyphics, etc. basically 2000 yrs. before barbarian Arabs even learned how to write, so they steal history from our Coptic brothers.
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I refer to pyramids, first chariots, irrigation, hieroglyphics, etc. basically 2000 yrs. before barbarian Arabs even learned how to write, so they steal history from our Coptic brothers.
A religious Jew would not like those Egyptians to return, they were the ones who subjugated and enslaved the Jewish people in the Torah. Hashem wiped them out because of their wickedness. May G-d prevent them from ever being revived...
From our perspective the ancient egyptians were worse than Nazis...
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To be absent from the body is to be present with God. The Christian won as ACK pointed out, he didn't let them force him to renounce his faith. He has my respect for that.
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I refer to pyramids, first chariots, irrigation, hieroglyphics, etc. basically 2000 yrs. before barbarian Arabs even learned how to write, so they steal history from our Coptic brothers.
Lets just say those exact same pyramids with he same dimensions appear on Mars in the exact same spot if the worlds were placed on each other, so I don't think they say much about the advancement of the society. Also, your Coptic "brothers" hate Israel and refuse to denounce Islam as the greatest source of their suffering, so they're only getting what they're asking for.
According to scripture, Egypt will never again be a great nation, so nobody worry.
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Lets just say those exact same pyramids with he same dimensions appear on Mars in the exact same spot if the worlds were placed on each other, so I don't think they say much about the advancement of the society. Also, your Coptic "brothers" hate Israel and refuse to denounce Islam as the greatest source of their suffering, so they're only getting what they're asking for.
According to scripture, Egypt will never again be a great nation, so nobody worry.
The Coptic Pope Shenouda III actually threatened Copts not to visit holy sites in Israel, in solidarity with Muslims but that's because he was scared of Muslims getting angry with Copts for visiting Israel. Now he's dead- Copts are actually going to Israel and disobeying him, and they are supporting Israel now!
Here is a Copt who is angry at Copt who don't support Israel (http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2011/01/voice-of-copts-coptic-christians.html).
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What are you talking about ? Shariah doesn't permit leaving Islam under pain of death, it is very clear on this. Even the "civilian" law in many muslim countries like Pakistan, Iran and of course most Arab countries, forbids leaving Islam under pain of death.
I think you are right but not anyone can perform such ritual killing and that is what I was trying to say.
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Pope Shenouda was an old school anti-Semite, as in "Jews killed our Lord and Savior." So no sympathy for him from me.
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This is going to p*** some people off! The whole protestant movement was to bring us back to the one true G-d, Hashem, and to follow the Noachide laws! Look at the 10 commandments and the Noachide laws! They are the same! The original protestants were followers of the law, and we have to bring this back!
Little do you know, that the protestants, original teachings came from Israel,not Rome!
You can come after me on this if you want, but the protestants are the true brothers of Israel!
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This is going to p*** some people off! The whole protestant movement was to bring us back to the one true G-d, Hashem, and to follow the Noachide laws! Look at the 10 commandments and the Noachide laws! They are the same! The original protestants were followers of the law, and we have to bring this back!
Little do you know, that the protestants, original teachings came from Israel,not Rome!
You can come after me on this if you want, but the protestants are the true brothers of Israel!
Not sure how this is relevant to the thread. Nobody's coming after you...
I think you are right but not anyone can perform such ritual killing and that is what I was trying to say.
Well they have kids cut off foreign dipolmats' heads, so why not apostates? Who does the killing then?
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Pope Shenouda was an old school anti-Semite, as in "Jews killed our Lord and Savior." So no sympathy for him from me.
None from me either.
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I think you are right but not anyone can perform such ritual killing and that is what I was trying to say.
I think Shariah permits summary execution in this case. And also when it happens, does the Islamic state punishes the murderers at all ? I think mostly they don't even try to catch the perps.
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This is going to p*** some people off! The whole protestant movement was to bring us back to the one true G-d, Hashem, and to follow the Noachide laws! Look at the 10 commandments and the Noachide laws! They are the same!
Marthur Luthur was a Jew-hater from what i know. Also Noahides does not believe in yeshu. And no the 7 Noahide laws and the 10 Commandments are not the same. The 10 commandments includes Shabbat, Noahide does not. I will list them now.
10 commandments come to us from Exodus 20:1-17. Here is the verse:
And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
7 Noahide laws
Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law
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I think Shariah permits summary execution in this case. And also when it happens, does the Islamic state punishes the murderers at all ? I think mostly they don't even try to catch the perps.
No Sharia law is very strict on murder and rape. A fine must be paid, meaning the murder/rapist actually has to do some work, unless he owns an oil field. Also, if he rapes someone and they are wounded for life, he owns her now and must take care of her. So by strict I mean to the victims, not the aggressor.
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No Sharia law is very strict on murder and rape. A fine must be paid, meaning the murder/rapist actually has to do some work, unless he owns an oil field. Also, if he rapes someone and they are wounded for life, he owns her now and must take care of her. So by strict I mean to the victims, not the aggressor.
Very true. It is important for Westerners to know about this because with the scum politicians we may be living with it soon…