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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 23, 2012, 09:11:55 PM
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Can't wait for the day when we see its annihilation, may it be speedily.
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I agree. Their judgement day will come soon enough.
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Look at this "ally", seriously WTF, Jerk Wilders?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159206#.UDbVZNZlQeI
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Look at this "ally", seriously WTF, Jerk Wilders?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159206#.UDbVZNZlQeI
jews shouldnt even be in the netherlands, they should be in israel. if they want to control their muslim situation, more power to them.
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Look at this "ally", seriously WTF, Jerk Wilders?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159206#.UDbVZNZlQeI
Has Geert Wilders seriously sold us out???
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Wilders pulled a Weigang (first supporting good, then turning evil).
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Wilders pulled a Weigang (first supporting good, then turning evil).
If this is true, then shame on him.
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If this is true, then shame on him.
It sure as hell seemed that way from the article.
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Kill all Europeans, kill all Arabs and blacks and let Israel be the only one on this Earth. Some posts here are just insane man.....this is not the way to build a better world or to help Israel.
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i don't know if you got the memo, but we have had a jewish state for 64 years now. i honestly don't give a damn what a country's internal policy is, even if it concerns jewish issues, as long as the jews can freely leave. as long as the foreign policy is friendly towards israel, im happy. geert wilders has shown every intention to be friendly towards israel, much more than most other politicians.
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What? Europeans fought the nazis, commies, and now Evropa must survive islamofascists. Jews must support European Nationalism, because although some of them may be nazis most aren't and support Israel because of common struggle. Wilders is the best thing to ask for.
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What? Europeans fought the nazis, commies, and now Evropa must survive islamofascists. Jews must support European Nationalism, because although some of them may be nazis most aren't and support Israel because of common struggle. Wilders is the best thing to ask for.
I say F@#$^ Europe. And F!@# Islamic fascists. They should both annihilate each other for all they have done and continue to do to the Jewish nation.
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What? Europeans fought the nazis, commies, and now Evropa must survive islamofascists. Jews must support European Nationalism, because although some of them may be nazis most aren't and support Israel because of common struggle. Wilders is the best thing to ask for.
Where did the Nazis and Commies come from? From EUROPE itself. And look at the other European "ALLY" - Britian, it barred Jews from entering Israel and occupied the Holy land and all the trouble they caused still being felt till this day.
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Kill all Europeans, kill all Arabs and blacks and let Israel be the only one on this Earth. Some posts here are just insane man.....this is not the way to build a better world or to help Israel.
Exactly. We don't want a World War III.
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Kill all Europeans, kill all Arabs and blacks and let Israel be the only one on this Earth. Some posts here are just insane man.....this is not the way to build a better world or to help Israel.
I never said kill all etc. But bottom line is that most of the nations are pure evil. I frickin see this. Islamists bombing Jews. Germany besides making Holocaust now barring circumcision. Our "allies" in Europe working to ban circumcision and shechita. Our other "allies" in America being nice to us, supposedly but trying their best to convert all of the Jews to their falsehood. Look at the frickin world, it is full of sh^t. I pray to G-D to unleash his revenge upon the evil nations as a whole (excluding righteous individuals of-course).
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Please G-D
ו שְׁפֹךְ חֲמָתְךָ-- אֶל הַגּוֹיִם, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יְדָעוּךָ:
וְעַל מַמְלָכוֹת-- אֲשֶׁר בְּשִׁמְךָ, לֹא קָרָאוּ.
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Pour out Thy wrath upon the nations that know Thee not,
and upon the kingdoms that call not upon Thy name.
ז כִּי, אָכַל אֶת-יַעֲקֹב; וְאֶת-נָוֵהוּ הֵשַׁמּוּ. 7
For they have devoured Jacob, and laid waste his habitation.
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jews shouldnt even be in the netherlands, they should be in israel. if they want to control their muslim situation, more power to them.
That is what these Nazis been saying for generations. Jews shouldn't be in their lands etc. And now Jews shouldn't be in "palestine" they are saying as well. Well Jews cant be in Israel and can't be there where else should Jews be at? In the gas chambers I suppose! That is what those Amalikites want and preach. F#%^ them. I could care less about them, I hope Islamists and them annihilate each other.
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That is what these Nazis been saying for generations. Jews shouldn't be in their lands etc. And now Jews shouldn't be in "palestine" they are saying as well. Well Jews cant be in Israel and can't be there where else should Jews be at? In the gas chambers I suppose! That is what those Amalikites want and preach. F#%^ them. I could care less about them, I hope Islamists and them annihilate each other.
"all jews should be in israel" is also what we kahanists have been saying since kahane himself, its also what jewish nationalists have been saying since Jabotinsky.
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"all jews should be in israel" is also what we kahanists have been saying since kahane himself, its also what jewish nationalists have been saying since Jabotinsky.
Yett Rav Kahane ZTL HYD stood against anti-semitism everywhere including in America. Did he say, well you should really be in Israel soo take what is given to you, or did he pounce on the heads of those Nazi pigs? They attack Jews and they attack G-D, that is what they stand for.
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I never said kill all etc. But bottom line is that most of the nations are pure evil. I frickin see this. Islamists bombing Jews. Germany besides making Holocaust now barring circumcision. Our "allies" in Europe working to ban circumcision and shechita. Our other "allies" in America being nice to us, supposedly but trying their best to convert all of the Jews to their falsehood. Look at the frickin world, it is full of sh^t. I pray to G-D to unleash his revenge upon the evil nations as a whole (excluding righteous individuals of-course).
This is going to be big, but no worries! The real Noachides will take care of it!
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Yett Rav Kahane ZTL HYD stood against anti-semitism everywhere including in America. Did he say, well you should really be in Israel soo take what is given to you, or did he pounce on the heads of those Nazi pigs? They attack Jews and they attack G-D, that is what they stand for.
the JDL is known for busting out the jews ussr ysv. ie making it possible for jews to make aliyah. yes, he did encourage jewish self-defense while still in the exile, but that was always a temporary means with rapid kibbutz galuyiot being the goal.
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the JDL is known for busting out the jews ussr ysv. ie making it possible for jews to make aliyah. yes, he did encourage jewish self-defense while still in the exile, but that was always a temporary means with rapid kibbutz galuyiot being the goal.
That was not my point, my point is that the facts are that Rav Kahane never-the-less acknowledged that their were/are Jews outside of Israel. and either way every affront by non-Jews unto Jews is also an affront not only against Jews but against G-D. Is a hillul Hash-m and must be fought against.
You just say, ooh well they should just be in Israel and everything is Ookay for Jew haters to attack Jews and the Torah, is siding with the enemies of G-D, the Jew-haters and basically justifying them.
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Europe doesn't need us to wish anymore harm that it coming to it on it. In any way, I don't see it existing beyond 2038.
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That was not my point, my point is that the facts are that Rav Kahane never-the-less acknowledged that their were/are Jews outside of Israel. and either way every affront by non-Jews unto Jews is also an affront not only against Jews but against G-D. Is a hillul Hash-m and must be fought against.
You just say, ooh well they should just be in Israel and everything is Ookay for Jew haters to attack Jews and the Torah, is siding with the enemies of G-D, the Jew-haters and basically justifying them.
you do realize that wilders's target is halal slaughter, but due to similarity, schita gets affected too. wilders been to israel over 40 times and refers to Yo"sh by it's proper name. that's not exactly supporting israel's enemies.
perhaps we define anti-semitism differently, i define it as trying to give us problems in our land and/or collaborating with our enemies.
think of it this way: we all agree that east asia has animal cruelty issues, but almost no here is against asians and would side with them immediately if they fought the Muslims. This is just one of those issues that countries need to solve for themselves.
of course i believe jewish animal rights standards to be superior (even if not ideal), but it is not an issue over which i would reject a genuine offer of friendship
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Kill all Europeans, kill all Arabs and blacks and let Israel be the only one on this Earth. Some posts here are just insane man.....this is not the way to build a better world or to help Israel.
They're not talking about you, man. They know you're good! And many other righteous gentiles as well. But you know what- you would be just as angry if everywhere your people were forced to live, the European population living there, hated and or killed your people for thousands of years for just being Jewish. And you had no place to call home- no place to escape to. In other words, by the actions and deeds of many (not all) Europeans, Jews have no right to exist. Try to see things from that perspective. But hopefully you can understand the anger. I know you can relate- because the Serbs have gone through a holocaust at the hands of the Albanians and Nazis as well.
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you do realize that wilders's target is halal slaughter, but due to similarity, schita gets affected too. wilders been to israel over 40 times and refers to Yo"sh by it's proper name. that's not exactly supporting israel's enemies.
perhaps we define anti-semitism differently, i define it as trying to give us problems in our land and/or collaborating with our enemies.
think of it this way: we all agree that east asia has animal cruelty issues, but almost no here is against asians and would side with them immediately if they fought the Muslims. This is just one of those issues that countries need to solve for themselves.
of course i believe jewish animal rights standards to be superior (even if not ideal), but it is not an issue over which i would reject a genuine offer of friendship
True this is also an inter party struggle
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I know how you feel. There are even places in the U.S. where they are trying to ban circ. And antisemitism in America partly caused the Holocaust. Even the Jews' supposed allies are starting not to look so good. It is depressing. :'(
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Kill all Europeans, kill all Arabs and blacks and let Israel be the only one on this Earth. Some posts here are just insane man.....this is not the way to build a better world or to help Israel.
Yeah because banning circumcision and banning shechita isn't insane or anything. Its not like that's what hitler and stalin tried to do. Why should we think a negative thought about europe? They have it in their genes to be nazis, so we should ignore all of this. Ignoring nazism makes the world a better place.... right??
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Yeah because banning circumcision and banning shechita isn't insane or anything. Its not like that's what hitler and stalin tried to do. Why should we think a negative thought about europe? They have it in their genes to be nazis, so we should ignore all of this. Ignoring nazism makes the world a better place.... right??
I'm not a nazi, and don't have any such thing in my genes. What about Finnish, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, my people, Greeks, and (some) Ukrainians who have always been friend of the Jews?
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perhaps we define anti-semitism differently, i define it as trying to give us problems in our land and/or collaborating with our enemies.
Oooh well. I see, anti-antisemitism if being against the State, but not against Jews necessarily. I guess the holocaust, and all those pogroms were not anti-Semitic or against Jews, but just foreign policies of those nations that we need to respect.
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I'm not a nazi, and don't have any such thing in my genes. What about Finnish, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, my people, Greeks, and (some) Ukrainians who have always been friend of the Jews?
it has nothing to do with genes. its entirely cultural. Israel has never had an ally, but different nations did vary in hostility towards the jews from time to time. 100s of years ago, poland had casmir the great who was more or less friendly to the jews. same poland that 70 years ago collaborated with the nazis. When jabotinsky and friends predicted the holocaust was going to happen, the last place he expected it to come from was germany, they had russia or poland in mind. overnight germany went from not-so-hostile to genocidal intent.
right now, the EU is engaging in taqqiya, they pretend not to be anti-semitic even though they totally are, given that they keep collaborating with our worst enemies, the terrorist muslim nazis.
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I'm not a nazi, and don't have any such thing in my genes. What about Finnish, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, my people, Greeks, and (some) Ukrainians who have always been friend of the Jews?
Even if there was only on account of one person like you, I'm sure the forum would be very pained to see Europe massacred by Muslims (who, when anyone wishes for the punishment Europe is due for, should know that is what they are asking for), but as the saying goes "Woe unto the wicked, and woe unto his neighbor, good unto the tzaddik [righteous person] and good unto his neighbor." (YALKUT VAYECHI 161, see Yoma 56b). Hopefully, Serbia is the country that makes it out, but you've got lots of wicked neighbors, pal.
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Even if there was only on account of one person like you, I'm sure the forum would be very pained to see Europe massacred by Muslims (who, when anyone wishes for the punishment Europe is due for, should know that is what they are asking for), but as the saying goes "Woe unto the wicked, and woe unto his neighbor, good unto the tzaddik [righteous person] and good unto his neighbor." (YALKUT VAYECHI 161, see Yoma 56b). Hopefully, Serbia is the country that makes it out, but you've got lots of wicked neighbors, pal.
Don't know about the forum, but at least right now I wouldn't. I would and do applaud the mohamadeans to slaughter most of those Nazi scumbags!
Go read the comments on Youtube by these scum. Those supposedly trying to fight for the rights of babies. The same people who support abortion. Many of the same people who deny the holocaust and applaud hitler! I am not fooled. Those who rise up against my nation or my law (the Torah) are my enemies.
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While what is being done is hateful, I believe that it is a blessing in disguise for the Jews in those Galut nations. It's time to make Aliyah before it is too late.
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Don't know about the forum, but at least right now I wouldn't. I would and do applaud the mohamadeans to slaughter most of those Nazi scumbags!
Go read the comments on Youtube by these scum. Those supposedly trying to fight for the rights of babies. The same people who support abortion. Many of the same people who deny the holocaust and applaud hitler! I am not fooled. Those who rise up against my nation or my law (the Torah) are my enemies.
If the wicked weren't punished, G-d would not be a just G-d, which he is. But there is still a chance for many of them. I know very righteous people even in France and Belgium (and I saw their stupid embassy in Israel they won't pay for, and encourage Israel to commit an act of war by kicking out the scum occupying that 3 million dollar building). But the wicked there deserve to be punished more than the good deserved to be saved. It is harsh, and would pain me greatly were I in G-d's shoes for this one matter, and had to exact punishment on the righteous because they were not as good as their neighbors were bad. I don't rejoice in Europe's destruction as I would to see Islam's, but it is no great secret that were they not punished, they would soon go back to killing Jews.
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I'm not sure that God punishes the wicked in this world. Europe is being destroyed because the people there are weak and self-hating, not because they are antisemitic. We know this because Islam is doing just fine even though Muslims are also antisemitic. It is because the Muslims aren't weak and self-hating. I am not denying that the people in Europe are antisemitc--only that they are being destroyed because they are antisemitic. They're all headed to hell regardless.
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Kill all Europeans, kill all Arabs and blacks and let Israel be the only one on this Earth. Some posts here are just insane man.....this is not the way to build a better world or to help Israel.
I agree
I get sick of certain comments that people in America make i.e "Let's kick out all the Mexicans" regardless if some of them are good or not.
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I'm not sure that G-d punishes the wicked in this world. Europe is being destroyed because the people there are weak and self-hating, not because they are antisemitic. We know this because Islam is doing just fine even though Muslims are also antisemitic. It is because the Muslims aren't weak and self-hating. I am not denying that the people in Europe are antisemitc--only that they are being destroyed because they are antisemitic. They're all headed to hell regardless.
Muslims not being punished? First off their is definitely the next world, but even in this world the Muslims in many cases are being punished already and continue to even more. Look at all muslim societies. They destroy each other. Can their be a better punishment. Sunnis murdering filthy Shiia. Shiia murdering filthy Sunni, and each group murdering each other within their groups as well. Don't you see whats happening in Suria, in Afganistan, Irawq, Egypt and everywhere else?
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Even if there was only on account of one person like you, I'm sure the forum would be very pained to see Europe massacred by Muslims (who, when anyone wishes for the punishment Europe is due for, should know that is what they are asking for), but as the saying goes "Woe unto the wicked, and woe unto his neighbor, good unto the tzaddik [righteous person] and good unto his neighbor." (YALKUT VAYECHI 161, see Yoma 56b). Hopefully, Serbia is the country that makes it out, but you've got lots of wicked neighbors, pal.
Not anymore, because i live in America. Bulgarians support Israel though, and Bulgarian nationalists attacked pisslamics when they were annoying the crap of everyone by screeching their "prayers" through megaphones. Also we need to be careful with European nationalists because some of them are neo-nazis, but Bulgarian nationalists' party condemned another party they thought are neo-nazis.
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Not anymore, because i live in America. Bulgarians support Israel though, and Bulgarian nationalists attacked pisslamics when they were annoying the crap of everyone by screeching their "prayers" through megaphones. Also we need to be careful with European nationalists because some of them are neo-nazis, but Bulgarian nationalists' party condemned another party they thought are neo-nazis.
I do some business with Bulgarians, and they're good guys. If France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Italy are taken, though, Bulgaria stands no chance. Good choice in America, but trust me, start cultivating food. I know a guy that pulled off an endive crop in Canada, so I could get you tips and pointers if you're serious.
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I never said kill all etc. But bottom line is that most of the nations are pure evil. I frickin see this. Islamists bombing Jews. Germany besides making Holocaust now barring circumcision. Our "allies" in Europe working to ban circumcision and shechita. Our other "allies" in America being nice to us, supposedly but trying their best to convert all of the Jews to their falsehood. Look at the frickin world, it is full of sh^t. I pray to G-D to unleash his revenge upon the evil nations as a whole (excluding righteous individuals of-course).
Circumcision issue will effect millions of muslims in Germany as well. What we see in European youth is complete apathy and rebellion against God in many ways. Once you have that punishment is near and there is no question about that. But I also think that all people are God's children.
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They're not talking about you, man. They know you're good! And many other righteous gentiles as well. But you know what- you would be just as angry if everywhere your people were forced to live, the European population living there, hated and or killed your people for thousands of years for just being Jewish. And you had no place to call home- no place to escape to. In other words, by the actions and deeds of many (not all) Europeans, Jews have no right to exist. Try to see things from that perspective. But hopefully you can understand the anger. I know you can relate- because the Serbs have gone through a holocaust at the hands of the Albanians and Nazis as well.
Europeans have not been good to each other. Nation attacking nation, protestants killing Catholics and other way around, wars of conquests. We are European nation and look what was done to us? Look what was done to ordinary Russians, even ordinary Germans who died in millions. What I am trying to say is that Jews suffered great horrors but other nations suffered similar horrors and starvation. Japanese had nuclear bombs thrown on them.
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Yeah because banning circumcision and banning shechita isn't insane or anything. Its not like that's what hitler and stalin tried to do. Why should we think a negative thought about europe? They have it in their genes to be nazis, so we should ignore all of this. Ignoring nazism makes the world a better place.... right??
Not all world hates Jews and Israel. How can I explain this to you? Maybe by posting here and supporting Israel. How we can prove ourselves? Israel is independent country with allies and enemies. I guess that is normal for any other nation. Do not believe all negative news you read.
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Not all world hates Jews and Israel. How can I explain this to you? Maybe by posting here and supporting Israel. How we can prove ourselves? Israel is independent country with allies and enemies. I guess that is normal for any other nation. Do not believe all negative news you read.
I think saying Nazism is genetic is an ironically stupid statement. Most of the world's elite does though, and I'm pretty sure the majority of the world hates Jews and Zionists for no reason. It's still probably the most hatted place, as Jews are the most hated people.
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The history of we Jews is running from country to country and being mugged, murdered and massacred wherever we have lived. Pograms, beatings, isolation, discrimination, you name it. This is what we had to put up with throughout the ages. Germany is the best example of what can happen to Jews who think they have become a fairly integrated segment of the population. From what I have read, the German Jews in the 1920's would never have dreamt of what was to come. Hitler turned them against us in a second. Why? The answer is obvious: Jews are hated wherever we go, even if there's a veneer of politeness. If given a chance, they'll murder us in a second. That hatred is always there, even if it's hidden with a smile. There's only one country for Jews to be Jews and not to have to worry, and that's Israel. Of course, this is incorrect, too. The true irony for Jews is that now that we have our own Hashem-given country, we still can't live in peace there. Either we're worried about nuclear bombs from Iran, or we're worried that our own soldiers will force us from our own homes in Judea and Samaria. So bottom line: I think the world definitely does hate Jews and Israel, with the exception of the smallest and tiniest percentage. And I say YSV to Germany and Europe too! I should feel good because 1 out of a thousand people support Israel?
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The history of we Jews is running from country to country and being mugged, murdered and massacred wherever we have lived. Pograms, beatings, isolation, discrimination, you name it. This is what we had to put up with throughout the ages. Germany is the best example of what can happen to Jews who think they have become a fairly integrated segment of the population. From what I have read, the German Jews in the 1920's would never have dreamt of what was to come. Hitler turned them against us in a second. Why? The answer is obvious: Jews are hated wherever we go, even if there's a veneer of politeness. If given a chance, they'll murder us in a second. That hatred is always there, even if it's hidden with a smile. There's only one country for Jews to be Jews and not to have to worry, and that's Israel. Of course, this is incorrect, too. The true irony for Jews is that now that we have our own Hashem-given country, we still can't live in peace there. Either we're worried about nuclear bombs from Iran, or we're worried that our own soldiers will force us from our own homes in Judea and Samaria. So bottom line: I think the world definitely does hate Jews and Israel, with the exception of the smallest and tiniest percentage. And I say YSV to Germany and Europe too! I should feel good because 1 out of a thousand people support Israel?
All correct. However I can not say my heart wishes for their destruction over them coming to truth and finding redemption. It is painfully obvious that this won't happen on a large scale, which is why the save Europe topic is a bit silly in my eyes, but punishment is guaranteed, and does not need to be wished for. That some may become righteous people, this is what we can help with. G-d never tells Jews to pray for their enemies' destruction (correct me if I'm wrong), he tells us what we can do to accelerate it, or tells us not to worry about it, because it's coming.
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I agree
I get sick of certain comments that people in America make i.e "Let's kick out all the Mexicans" regardless if some of them are good or not.
We should not kick out all the Mexicans just the ones that are here illegally... There are immigration quotas in place for a reason...People are on long waiting lists world wide for years waiting to come here to the United States legally... The United States needs immigrants that come here and add something into the system... Sadly as we have seen Mexicans tend to absorb much more from the system than they put in.
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Don't know about the forum, but at least right now I wouldn't. I would and do applaud the mohamadeans to slaughter most of those Nazi scumbags!
Go read the comments on Youtube by these scum. Those supposedly trying to fight for the rights of babies. The same people who support abortion. Many of the same people who deny the holocaust and applaud hitler! I am not fooled. Those who rise up against my nation or my law (the Torah) are my enemies.
What is infuriating for me is those European nationalists who are anti-Israel. They are traitorous scum.
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I'm not a nazi, and don't have any such thing in my genes. What about Finnish, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, my people, Greeks, and (some) Ukrainians who have always been friend of the Jews?
These people, "Friends of the Jews?" In what alternate universe?
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Here's the solution to all of our problems: Warning: Language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND9_b81_Dyc
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Here's the solution to all of our problems: Warning: Language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND9_b81_Dyc
0:34 upside-down American flag with star. Not the star of David, but I don't think this guy is very nationalist. For, you know, the free world. I've been wrong before, though.
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If he is anti nationalist, screw him! And the antifa muslim-loving scum! Long live nationalism!
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If he is anti nationalist, screw him! And the antifa muslim-loving scum! Long live nationalism!
The Arabs and Germans were/are also "nationalists".
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The Arabs and Germans were/are also "nationalists".
But their nationalism is against the rest of the world so of course I exclude them. And the nazis were fascists, not nationalists. I'm a nationalist and I don't like fascism at all.
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I think nationalism is only useful or viable if it limits itself somewhat. If you try to take over the entire world then you lose the nationalism somewhere along the way and end up a multiculturalist instead. That also violates other people's rights to have room and resources for their own people.
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I think nationalism is only useful or viable if it limits itself somewhat. If you try to take over the entire world then you lose the nationalism somewhere along the way and end up a multiculturalist instead. That also violates other people's rights to have room and resources for their own people.
Yes, I remember when you came up with that, very wise.
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I think nationalism is only useful or viable if it limits itself somewhat. If you try to take over the entire world then you lose the nationalism somewhere along the way and end up a multiculturalist instead. That also violates other people's rights to have room and resources for their own people.
When it starts to violate other people it becomes fascism, that's not nationalism anymore. Like the Arabs, how many nations did they steal from indigenous Christian Semites? How they conquer the more civilized Persian people and forced them to be Muslims, threw out their old pre-islam gov. and replace it with this new Islamic vassal? Arabs have gone beyond nationalism, they are what would hitler be proud of.
Nationalism is also much better than conservatism, which is too moderate and weak, exactly what the PC liberals can control. It is controlled opposition to liberalism.
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When it starts to violate other people it becomes fascism, that's not nationalism anymore. Like the Arabs, how many nations did they steal from indigenous Christian Semites? How they conquer the more civilized Persian people and forced them to be Muslims, threw out their old pre-islam gov. and replace it with this new Islamic vassal? Arabs have gone beyond nationalism, they are what would hitler be proud of.
Nationalism is also much better than conservatism, which is too moderate and weak, exactly what the PC liberals can control. It is controlled opposition to liberalism.
To me it seems you are comparing apples and oranges.
Nationalism is the desire for a people to have a nation.
Conservatism is the political belief that government should be limited in its scope, both in its ability to legislate and its ability to tax.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservatism
con·serv·a·tism [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism?s=t
na·tion·al·ism [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA
noun
1. national spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4. the desire for national advancement or independence.
5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
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Conservatism and nationalism are two different things. So is conservatism and abortion. So is conservatism and Judeo-Christian values (unless there are conservatives amiss outside the free world, which I never heard of). But you can't claim to be fully the one without any of the others. Its more like comparing a screw and a car. The screw is not the conservative car (probably Hemmi) but what is the car but a grouping of parts? Without the things that make up conservatism, namely things that have and continue to work including those mentioned, what is conservatism, what is to be conserved about our way of life but the ways we handle things in our lives?
I'm getting good at this I think. I've never so forcefully and sneaky questionily argued semantics. Shezam bouyashaka and such.
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Conservatism and nationalism are two different things. So is conservatism and abortion. So is conservatism and Judeo-Christian values (unless there are conservatives amiss outside the free world, which I never heard of). But you can't claim to be fully the one without any of the others. Its more like comparing a screw and a car. The screw is not the conservative car (probably Hemmi) but what is the car but a grouping of parts? Without the things that make up conservatism, namely things that have and continue to work including those mentioned, what is conservatism, what is to be conserved about our way of life but the ways we handle things in our lives?
I'm getting good at this I think. I've never so forcefully and sneaky questionily argued semantics. Shezam bouyashaka and such.
Yasher Koach {May you be strengthened}..
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Yasher Koach {May you be strengthened}..
Ah bless you Muman.
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To me it seems you are comparing apples and oranges.
Nationalism is the desire for a people to have a nation.
Conservatism is the political belief that government should be limited in its scope, both in its ability to legislate and its ability to tax.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservatism
con·serv·a·tism [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism?s=t
na·tion·al·ism [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA
noun
1. national spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4. the desire for national advancement or independence.
5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
I think the main difference is which ideas are emphasized. In nationalism it is pride, in conservatism it is traditions.
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I think the main difference is which ideas are emphasized. In nationalism it is pride, in conservatism it is traditions.
Are there left wing nationalists, other than Neo-national socialists?
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Are there left wing nationalists, other than Neo-national socialists?
I think "Palestinians", Basques, North Irish Catholics, Åland Swedes, and the Greenlandics are left-nationalists. And leftist nationalists are usually allies with each other ("Palestinians", Basques, and North Irish Catholics work together), when rightist nationalists fight with each other, unfortunately. We must stop the fighting between right-wing nationalist and unify!
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I think "Palestinians", Basques, North Irish Catholics, Åland Swedes, and the Greenlandics are left-nationalists. And leftist nationalists are usually allies with each other ("Palestinians", Basques, and North Irish Catholics work together), when rightist nationalists fight with each other, unfortunately. We must stop the fighting between right-wing nationalist and unify!
Palestinian is not a nationality. You may have defeated "nationalism is right-wing" for now.