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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yerusha on September 12, 2012, 09:13:50 AM
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If the Muslims riot and kill over a Youtube posting, what would happen if one of our boys fired one bullet in to the dome of the Al Aksa Mosque?!
Every one of the 1.5 billion Muslims, from age 10-100, from Joahnesburg to New Jersey to Sydney to Glasgow to Jerusalem to Jaffa would rise as one riot, torch, deface, burn, maim and murder, including the women.
(http://www.newsexpressngr.com/images/news/Protesters%20at%20US%20Embassy%20in%20cairo.jpg)
This would:
1. Compel the few Jewish survivors in the Golus to flee to Israel - the Ingathering of the Exiles
2. Force Hashem's Hand to bring down the Third Temple.
3. Force Hashem's Hand to reveal the Moshiachs ben David and ben Yosef.
4. Likely provoke an invasion of Israel, or a nuclear Gog and Magog.
In other words, for those who want an Apocalyptic Geulah, as predicted in the Tenach and Chazal, could a Halachic case be made to fire a bullet in to the Al Aksa Mosque in order to bring the Redemption?
Or would R.Kahane say: "Don't do it!"??
What is Chaim's opinion?
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בס''ד
We are a law-abiding organization. We do not advocate illegal activities.
However, it is perfectly legal to produce a film that exposes Nazi Islam. That is freedom of speech.
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Yerusha I don't trust you. Just letting you know.
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I'm with Tag! Do you guys get together outside of the forum and talk about how you can twist words to make it look like you're not trolls, but in all actuality you're really making a mockery of the forum? I will give you credit, you guys are absolutely brilliant with some of your posts!
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This is idiotic magical thinking. Magical thinking is the trademark of ghetto mentality false Judaism.
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This is obviously trollish behavior...
There is no way to 'force Hashems hand' in anything. Moshiach will certainly come at his appointed time. We can hasten his coming by performing mitzvot and doing kindness.
We do not seek world destruction, we seek peace on earth and closeness to Hashem. Our enemies will fall when it is their time to die.
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The key to everything is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
Should we
1. Wait for an earthquake to destroy the mosques and the Knesset building, thereby removing the Waqf and the dislocating Israeli government who are the main impediments to building a physical Temple as commanded in the Torah, even without a Moshiach?
2. Wait for the L-rd Himself to remove the mosques and bring down the Third Temple ready built magically, which is the prevalent Orthodox and Haredi view and is also a possibility
http://jewishmag.com/16mag/temple/temple.htm
even without a Moshiach?
3. As they would have done in the era of Biblical warriors who knew no fear, not wait for intervention from neither G-d, "Nature", nor Moshiach, nor Halachic decisions from the "Gedolim" as to where and where not is permitted, and just storm the Mount, level it and start building regardless, as Chief Rabbi Goren was going to do in 1967?
4. Wait in quietistic apoliticism, cowering before the Waqf guards, afraid of the Israeli police and the hell of the Russian Compound Jail (which RMK, BZK, Nadia Tamar, Hill Top boys and girls and even milquetoasts like Shlomo Riskin know so well), let alone injury and death, and even of Hashem's Judgment for attempting to forcing the Keitz before its set Time: "Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you by the gazelles and by the does of the field: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires" (Shir Hashirim 2), and He decides that even though Jews believe in Him but nevertheless they don't care about His Kovod sufficiently, so that He decides they are unworthy and 'closes shop' and winds down Humanity and the Creation?
As Tamar Yona said recently: "I have had enough of visiting the Wailing Wall. I want to visit what's on the other side!"
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I support liberation of the Temple Mount. But it would be foolish to act as you suggest. And especially to post things such as this in a public forum is even more foolish...
There is a machloket concerning whether a Jew can visit the Temple Mount with a good amount of Gedolim who say that we may not visit it because we are in state of ritual impurity and should we enter the place where the Holy of Holies was, we would be liable for Karet {Complete Excision from Judaism}. Many good Jews do not visit the mount for this prohibition alone.
I trust that Hashem will provide the correct time and the correct circumstances so that we can take the mount without starting a world crisis.
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I choose option 5. Create a mass movement that puts jtf and haymin hamiti on the forefront of American and Israeli politics
Besides hashem took 2 days to finish day 3 of creation. Hence our cause will not be complete in one generation either.