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Title: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: Dan193 on October 02, 2012, 08:44:40 AM
I saw this in the Daily News today.   I bet Roosevelt's cousin was advising Roosvelt.
I pay some heed. The Holocaust is too monstrous a crime to be easily dismissed. Seventy percent of Europe’s Jews were murdered, and much of the world, preoccupied and not all that upset, did little about it. The charge of complicity, of apathy, of heroic indifference, applies not just to the nations of Europe but to the United States as well. In 1939, as the Jews of Europe were running for their very lives, an emergency bill to admit 20,000 Jewish children as refugees was defeated in Congress. President Franklin Roosevelt’s cousin Laura Delano Houghteling summed up the national mood with a dinner party quip: “Twenty-thousand charming children would all too soon grow into 20,000 ugly adults.” (Her comment was discovered by the historian Rafael Medoff in the papers of the diplomat Joseph Grew at Harvard.)
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: Dan193 on October 02, 2012, 08:47:40 AM
It should be worth noting, Laura Delano Houghteling, was the wife of the U.S. commissioner of immigration in WW2.
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: maelgwyn on October 02, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
Dreken Mamzers ! >:(
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: muman613 on October 02, 2012, 03:45:51 PM
Do you have a link or a source for this information? I cannot believe, if this was said, that the Jews would have been so pro FDR if this had been known...

http://www.aish.com/jw/me/48967311.html

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American Jews remained largely quiescent during the Holocaust, in part because of their adulation of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who could do no wrong in their eyes. Stephen Wise, the most influential voice in American Jewry, could not overcome his worship of FDR to challenge the latter's position that nothing could be done to save Jews other than win the War. (David Wyman's The Abandonment of the Jews details how much could have been done.)

To avoid embarrassing or pressuring the President, Wise sat on a telegram from Gerhard Riegner of the World Jewish Congress in August 1942, detailing plans to exterminate three to four million Jews in German-controlled Europe, until pressured by the Orthodox and Revisionist Zionists to do something.
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: muman613 on October 02, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
http://www.aish.com/ho/i/48957091.html
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President Franklin Roosevelt responded to Kristallnacht with a sharp verbal condemnation and two gestures: He recalled the U.S. ambassador from Germany for "consultations," and he extended the visitors' visas of the approximately 12,000 German Jewish refugees who were then in the United States. But at the same time, FDR announced that liberalization of America's tight immigration quotas was "not in contemplation."

In the wake of Kristallnacht, humanitarian-minded members of Congress introduced legislation to aid German Jewry. A bill sponsored by Sen. Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Edith Rogers (R-Mass.) proposed the admission of 20,000 German refugee children outside the quotas. Nativist and isolationist groups vociferously opposed the Wagner-Rogers bill. Typical of their perspective was a remark by FDR's cousin, Laura Delano Houghteling, who was the wife of the U.S. commissioner of immigration. She warned that "20,000 charming children would all too soon grow into 20,000 ugly adults."

An appeal to FDR by First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt for his support of the bill fell on deaf ears, and an inquiry by a congresswoman as to the president's position was returned to his secretary marked "File No action FDR."

Mindful of polls showing most Americans opposed to more immigration, Roosevelt preferred to follow public opinion rather than lead it. Without his support, the Wagner-Rogers bill was buried in committee.

Ironically, when Pets magazine the following year launched a campaign to have Americans take in purebred British puppies so they would not be harmed by German bombing raids, the magazine was flooded with several thousand offers of haven for the dogs.

American Jewish organizations were reluctant to challenge either the administration's policy or the prevailing public mood. Three days after Kristallnacht, representatives of the General Jewish Council, the umbrella group for the four largest Jewish defense organizations, met in New York City to decide their response to the Nazi violence. Worried about stirring up domestic anti-Semitism, they resolved "that there should be no parades, public demonstrations or protests by Jews," and that although "on humanitarian grounds, mass immigration of German Jews could not be opposed... at least for the time being, nothing should be done with regard to this matter."

When FDR asked his closest Jewish adviser, Samuel Rosenman, a prominent member of the American Jewish Committee, if more Jewish refugees should be allowed to enter the United States in the wake of Kristallnacht, Rosenman opposed such a move because "it would create a Jewish problem in the U.S."

Four months before Kristallnacht, the Roosevelt administration had organized a conference in Evian, France, that brought together delegates from 32 countries to discuss the Jewish refugee problem. But the delegates reaffirmed their unwillingness to liberalize their immigration quotas, and the British refused to even discuss Palestine as a possible haven. The U.S. administration had consciously convened the gathering to give the impression that the free world was taking action when it was doing nothing of the sort.

One German newspaper's comment on Evian stands out: "We can see that one likes to pity the Jews ... but no state is prepared to ... accept a few thousand Jews. Thus the conference serves to justify Germany's policy against Jewry."
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: briann on October 02, 2012, 03:55:26 PM
Sickeningly evil!!!  --- 

btw, what is a revisionist zionist?
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: muman613 on October 02, 2012, 03:59:57 PM
Sickeningly evil!!!  --- 

btw, what is a revisionist zionist?

That is a new term to me... I will look it up...


Apparently this is the term for a Jabotinsky follower...

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/modern_zionism/

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1]Ben Gurion’s attitude toward religion and its place in the Jewish state could be categorized as hostile or at best ambivalent and many of his policies regarding dealing with new immigrants and army service were designed to push observant Jews towards dropping their observance. He could also take a harsh and event violently confrontational attitude toward political rivals such as toward Menachem Begin and the Irgun (The military wing of the break-away Revisionist Zionism Movement founded by Zev Jabotinsky in 1923) which culminated with Ben Gurion’s order to sink the Altalena, an Irgun arms ship, off the coast of Tel Aviv on June 21, 1948. Sixteen Irgun members were killed in the incident which could have led to civil war.
[2] Paul Mendes-Flohr & Yehud

http://www.torahcafe.com/mr-douglas-j-feith/jabotinsky-memorial-speech-video_2a319c822.html

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Ze'ev Jabotinsky was a Revisionist Zionist leader, author, orator, soldier, and founder of the Jewish Self-Defense Organization in Odessa. He also helped form the Jewish Legion of the British army in World War I, and was a founder and early leader of the militant Zionist underground organization, Irgun.

 
This event was hosted by Americans for a Safe Israel (AFSI), an organization dedicated to supporting the Jewish communities of Judea, Samaria and the Golan as well as the rights of all Israelis to live free and safe in their land.   For more information about AFSI, check out their website at www.afsi.org.
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on October 02, 2012, 11:32:17 PM
Without knowing the full gamut of zionist history, one cannot even begin to understand today's issues facing Israel, and if you do not know the term revisionist zionist, then you have a lot of reading to do.   (Not entirely your fault because there has been a coverup of anything other than history related to labor zionists (ie ben gurion, weizmann, etc)).
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: NoMosqueHere on October 03, 2012, 09:51:34 AM
Also during the Shoah, the American Jewish community, including Hollywood, barely lifted a  finger to help their European brothers and sisters.  They worship FDR, as well as Barack Hussein Obama, who hates Israel and will try to harm her if he is re-elected.  80 percent of american jews voted for Obama in 2008, and a comparable number want to re-elect him.  It may be too harsh, but the Jews are their own worst enemies.
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: mord on October 03, 2012, 10:17:44 AM
But they  let in millions of mexicans
Title: Re: This may be the reason why Roosevelt didn't help the Jews in WW2.
Post by: Dan193 on October 03, 2012, 10:21:15 AM
Here's the link to the article by left wing Jew Richard Cohen.
It was also put in the Daily News yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-muffling-the-drums-of-war-with-iran/2012/10/01/06a3b020-0bf0-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html