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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: genteelgentile on July 06, 2007, 07:15:08 PM
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I have learned(or at least been reminded) in the last couple of days about the problems with Croats, Bosnians, and Ukrainians that I never realized. So we do criticize and condemn some white Europeans. It is depressing though, because these are just more people to watch out for.
To all newcomers, JTF is not really about race or religion; it is about good and evil...
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Yup, which is why I hate when Chaim goes off on tirades against blacks and arabs. White Europeans have killed more Jews than any other people and he continually cops a plea for them. No race or people is any better than another. When evil culture takes over, anti-Semitism flourishes. Any type of people are capable of forming evil cultures.
disclaimer: I'm not saying white Europeans are bad, but they're a people who are responsible for the best and worst humanity has to offer. When a good culture prevails, they excel. When one doesn't...
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Yup, which is why I hate when Chaim goes off on tirades against blacks and arabs.
Well then it's time for you to leave, dude. I can't remember the last time you had a constructive or insightful post. All you do is defend Christian members of this board who have acted like jerks, criticize Chaim and JTF policies, and defend blacks and Arabs.
I don't really see how you are any different at all than Hidden Author--well, maybe you are a bit more forthright than him.
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Listen to the JTF archives, you will find plenty of audio with Chaim criticizing White europeans.
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Yup, which is why I hate when Chaim goes off on tirades against blacks and arabs.
Well then it's time for you to leave, dude. I can't remember the last time you had a constructive or insightful post. All you do is defend Christian members of this board who have acted like jerks, criticize Chaim and JTF policies, and defend blacks and Arabs.
I don't really see how you are any different at all than Hidden Author--well, maybe you are a bit more forthright than him.
Shouldn't you be defending a white nationalist nazi somewhere? You simply can't handle a differing opinion. You didn't even have the guts to stand up for your faith when other members were attacking it, and I'm NOT talking about defending Allen-T. As far as I'm concerned what you have to say means nothing.
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Listen to the JTF archives, you will find plenty of audio with Chaim criticizing White europeans.
He does not attack them with anywhere near the same vigor, that you cannot deny.
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Yup, which is why I hate when Chaim goes off on tirades against blacks and arabs.
Well then it's time for you to leave, dude. I can't remember the last time you had a constructive or insightful post. All you do is defend Christian members of this board who have acted like jerks, criticize Chaim and JTF policies, and defend blacks and Arabs.
I don't really see how you are any different at all than Hidden Author--well, maybe you are a bit more forthright than him.
Wasn't Hidden Author the guy who always bashed Chaim on Ask JTF every week? Has thunderbolt done the same? Chaim knows what he's talking about, and is on the ball 90% of the time.
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Yeah, Thunder, your reply has gotten me thinking you haven't listened to any of Chaim's Ask JTF shows whatsoever. Did you miss this week when he talked about all of the Christian/Catholic persecution of the Jews in Europe through the ages?
Cosmokramer is black. Yup, that's right. Do you really think that an actual racist would have black fans?
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He does not attack them with anywhere near the same vigor, that you cannot deny.
BS. You and I both know that is not true.
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Wasn't Hidden Author the guy who always bashed Chaim on Ask JTF every week? Has thunderbolt done the same? Chaim knows what he's talking about, and is on the ball 90% of the time.
Only 90%?
Yeah, that's the guy, and yeah, Thunderbolt does the same, albeit in a less slick way.
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Wasn't Hidden Author the guy who always bashed Chaim on Ask JTF every week? Has thunderbolt done the same? Chaim knows what he's talking about, and is on the ball 90% of the time.
Only 90%?
Yeah, that's the guy, and yeah, Thunderbolt does the same, albeit in a less slick way.
LOL! 90% was just a figure of speech, not to be taken literally. A proper estimate would be more like 98.5%. Pobody's nerfect and all that. :)
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My picture, That is me thunderbolt. shortly before I went to m,y Rabbis for Shabbat.
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IMHO, the groups that hate Jews NOW are not white Christians.
Anyone who believes white Christians are the largest threat to Jews CURRENTLY is living in the past. Its not 1940.
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Yeah, Thunder, your reply has gotten me thinking you haven't listened to any of Chaim's Ask JTF shows whatsoever. Did you miss this week when he talked about all of the Christian/Catholic persecution of the Jews in Europe through the ages?
Cosmokramer is black. Yup, that's right. Do you really think that an actual racist would have black fans?
Not only that C.F. I am a Jew first, black is just my racial group, But still you are right, If I thought Chaim was a racist I would not be a member, nor moderator for that matter on this forum.
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You don't look half black to me cosmokramer.
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You don't look half black to me cosmokramer.
Look at my father
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Not only that C.F. I am a Jew first, black is just my racial group, But still you are right, If I thought Chaim was a racist I would not be a member, nor moderator for that matter on this forum.
Of course I know that you are Jewish--I just pointed out your race to point out how dumb Thunderbolt is being with his "Chaim has to stop picking on blacks" routine. It is getting very tiresome and annoying, and if he is sick of witnessing our alleged bashing of blacks, he can remove himself from the situation whenever he wants.
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Not only that C.F. I am a Jew first, black is just my racial group, But still you are right, If I thought Chaim was a racist I would not be a member, nor moderator for that matter on this forum.
Of course I know that you are Jewish--I just pointed out your race to point out how dumb Thunderbolt is being with his "Chaim has to stop picking on blacks" routine. It is getting very tiresome and annoying, and if he is sick of witnessing our alleged bashing of blacks, he can remove himself from the situation whenever he wants.
On the day we see large numbers of decent blacks protesting against the muslim nazi louis chuck-a-can and "loyal American muslims" (oxymoron) running millitant imams out of town......we'll change our broad brush aproach.
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Good post, Newman.
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Cosmokramer, you look Jewish. I honestly would not think you were black if I saw you. There are many Jews who are dark skinned so you fit in perfectly. Never feel that you are different in any way.
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And to the poster who is sticking up for shvartzas. If at a time when there is so much danger around, for you to spend your time sticking up for shvartzas is an abomination.
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Good post, Newman.
Thanks. I'm sick to death of the girlie men crapping on about 'moderate muslims' (that's a laugh) . Their silence = approval.
Ask yourself: If christian Americans went to their church one Sunday and found a new minister preaching about 'anti-christ Jews' and yelling 'burn the synagogues', They would lynch the SOB from the nearest oak tree....right?
Yet these so-called moderate muslims go to their stinking mosques every Friday where the imams yell 'ikbad al yehudi'...(kill the jews). What do they say? What do they do?...........Yep, bugger-all! If the so-called moderates are silent in the face of rabbid anti-semitism, they are in agreement.
As for the christian arabs that thunderbolt thinks are so pro-Israel.........
the only pro-Israel christians in the middle east are the South Lebanese Army lot.....and they're pheonicians, NOT arabs. The actual arab christians of the middle east are Jew-hating, pan-arab nationalist, nazis the same as the muslims.
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As for the negroes........
When the percentage of good, law abiding drug free ones goes from 20 to 70, we'll shut up. Until then, the stereo-type applies.
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newman, the South Lebanese Army was mostly shiite at the time Israel was supporting it. You're woefully ignorant to the history of that group. Don't give me this garbage that the shiites call themselves phoenicians! [censored], google wikipedia "south lebanese army" and you'll find they were mostly shiite muslims. I know many Christian arabs in my area and that I've worked with that hate muslims and support Israel. You likely don't know any living in a cave somewhere. And yes, newman, some Christian arabs call themselves phoenicians. The fact remains they are at the very least partially arab and do not hate Israel. There are Christian arabs who do hate Israel and they generally are anti-religious communists or socialists like George Habbash. In that respects they are pretty much identical to the white European anti-Semites who are overwhelmingly anti-religious socialists. If you want to say that all Christian arabs are Israel-hating scum then you're a liar and a fraud. I know you hate Christians though so that's likely causing you to hate them in the first place.
I think anyone who says it's evil not to condemn all arabs or all blacks is an evil degenerate. I'd love to see where your religion condones this, Chaimfan? Perhaps you could show me the passages in the new testament where it says just condemn everyone without asking any questions. That's not a very Christian attitude. I'm sure Jesus would do the same thing as you. ::)
I think anyone who says Chaim attacks white European anti-Semitism with the same vigor as he does the blacks is a liar as well. It's flat out evil to condemn any one group of people as a whole. My religion doesn't allow it and I doubt theirs does either but what do I know.
cosmokramer, I got a bad feeling you're going to come to a realization soon about the group of people in this thread. They hate black people and that includes your father. It's plain as day and they will turn on you later on.
It's frightening how you guys can't see how condemning all blacks/arabs, etc, etc is what's keeping JTF from being a major movement. People who actually have lives/jobs/friends know that not all blacks or arabs are bad people. It goes against reason and experience of the vast majority of people. People hear what you're saynig and say "these guys are nuts".
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Hey thunderpants,
The SLA was a renaming of the Free Lebanon Army which was "mostly christian" according to wikipedia. Chech it out before you call me ignorant, you dummy.
Secondly I have never met a lebanese christian (and there are bucket-loads in my country) who called themself an arab. You need only look at all those beautiful lebanese christian women and compare them to the aborted catfishes that pass for arab women to realise they are different races. I realise that given your persuasion you don't take much notice of the fairer sex..... but just try looking.
Lastly, you should not worry about Cosmo. Nobody here hates him or his father for ANY reason (let alone his parentage) and given his commitment to our cause he is the last person anyone will turn on. YOU on the other hand are a different matter entirely. Most folks on the forum hate you because you are a retarded, log-necked goose. I further suspect that you are inbred but only your Auntie Ma or Uncle Pa would know for sure.
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Yup, which is why I hate when Chaim goes off on tirades against blacks and arabs. White Europeans have killed more Jews than any other people and he continually cops a plea for them. No race or people is any better than another. When evil culture takes over, anti-Semitism flourishes. Any type of people are capable of forming evil cultures.
disclaimer: I'm not saying white Europeans are bad, but they're a people who are responsible for the best and worst humanity has to offer. When a good culture prevails, they excel. When one doesn't...
More Jews have been killed since the time islam became a malignant cancer in yathrib (now medina) till now than by Europeans. Chaim's 'tirades', as I understand it, against blacks and arabs are ONLY against the racist, anti semetic, criminal, barbaric savage, evil ones. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.
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Yup, which is why I hate when Chaim goes off on tirades against blacks and arabs. White Europeans have killed more Jews than any other people and he continually cops a plea for them. No race or people is any better than another. When evil culture takes over, anti-Semitism flourishes. Any type of people are capable of forming evil cultures.
disclaimer: I'm not saying white Europeans are bad, but they're a people who are responsible for the best and worst humanity has to offer. When a good culture prevails, they excel. When one doesn't...
More Jews have been killed since the time islam became a malignant cancer in yathrib (now medina) till now than by Europeans. Chaim's 'tirades', as I understand it, against blacks and arabs are ONLY against the racist, anti semetic, criminal, barbaric savage, evil ones. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.
You are quite correct in your analysis. Muslims are certainly killing a thousand times more Jews than Europeans in our time.
Thunderpants is is only hanging around as a spoiler. Take no notice.
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It seems this Thunderbolt guy is still stuck in the 1940's (Germany) and 1960's (civil rights). Earth to thunderbolt, its 2007, and Islam is the new threat to Jewry along with ungrateful blacks who don't appreciate the work that Jews have done for them.
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It seems this Thunderbolt guy is still stuck in the 1940's (Germany) and 1960's (civil rights). Earth to thunderbolt, its 2006, and Islam is the new threat to Jewry along with ungrateful blacks who don't appreciate the work that Jews have done to them.
It's not just that blacks are 'ungrateful' to the Jews. Black community leaders HATE the Jewish people. HATE, HATE, HATE and want them dead. I can't say that every individual negroe feels this way, but as with the muslims and arabs, I don't see any blacks opposing their leadership on their Jew-hating outlook. As I have said before................. silence = agreement.
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Cosmokramer you look sephardic
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Earth to kane, Christian arabs AREN'T muslim. The vast majority of blacks in America aren't muslim either.
And who cares what cosmokramer looks like. He's a good person, why does it matter if his father is black, white, purple, etc?
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Earth to kane, Christian arabs AREN'T muslim. The vast majority of blacks in America aren't muslim either.
And who cares what cosmokramer looks like. He's a good person, why does it matter if his father is black, white, purple, etc?
None of us here care what cosmokramer looks like. That doesn't mean that it can't be a topic of discussion.
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Thunderbolt (and by the way, why haven't people asked why your screenname is the SS symbol? I am not saying that is intentional, but it is extremely weird and coincidental),
I've had more than enough of you. From day one, ALL you have done is tried to pit Christian posters against Jews and tried to pit different Christian posters against one another. I can see you are just banging your head against a brick wall as I type this because I didn't fall for your divisive little bait. Your lovely little gems like "You better watch out Chaimfan, they might ban you for saying that Christians are G-d's people", "you let everybody walk all over your faith" and, most recently, "is that what your religion teaches? to judge whole groups you don't know?" are severely out of line and are in blatant violation of numerous forum rules.
I can truthfully testify to the fact that your behavior has been far more anti-Christian and far more offensive to me personally than anything any Jewish or Noahide poster has ever typed. I hope that the mods will take action with you soon, and will be contacting them.
You know what, Thunderbolt? I am wondering if you are Hidden Author. You are a troll, period. The end.
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I don't think Thunderbolt is a troll. Everything of his that I've seen seems like it is legitimately him and is not part of some intentional plan to divide Christians from Jews and Christians from other Christians. While the effect of his actions amounts to this, I don't think it is an intentional plan of his, that's just who Thunderbolt is. That's not to say that I don't think he deserves to be banned. What he says IS offensive and has mainly caused problems wherever he has stepped foot.
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I don't see a distinction between an outright troll and a "sincere" person whose comments have the exact same impact as those of a troll. How many Ask JTFs has Chaim pleaded with us to stop this bickering? The fact that Thunderbolt continues to do his absolute best to provoke Christians and get JTF Gentiles to resent Jews tells me he's a troll, and by that I mean an intentional one.
BabylonianJew and Scotch, even FOTL, were banned for a lot less than what T-Bolt does in each and every post.
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Notice to Mods--
--I think this thread should be locked. It's already gotten really ugly, and even if it weren't, the point has been proven long ago that Cosmokramer is proof that it is possible to be a righteous black man AND a black Jew. I really do not care what he looks like, and never have, and neither do the vast majority of JTF members.
The only people who love to obsess endlessly on skin color are Nazis and people with no self-esteem whatsoever.
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I don't see a distinction between an outright troll and a "sincere" person whose comments have the exact same impact as those of a troll. How many Ask JTFs has Chaim pleaded with us to stop this bickering? The fact that Thunderbolt continues to do his absolute best to provoke Christians and get JTF Gentiles to resent Jews tells me he's a troll, and by that I mean an intentional one.
BabylonianJew and Scotch, even FOTL, were banned for a lot less than what T-Bolt does in each and every post.
I agree CF. He said he was quitting last week, then came back on a day later and said he was staying at the request of an un-named 'friend' to monitor the goings-on. Three guesses who the 'friend' is? It is very clear his only intention is to undermine to organisation by starting brush fires in the forum. He's openly attacking Chaim's positions on certain issues and have a read of his convoluted response to my post on this thread earlier......he's off his sorry rocker.
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I think that even if he is not Hidden Author, he is in contact with him and/or is his friend.
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I think that even if he is not Hidden Author, he is in contact with him and/or is his friend.
ftf has also openly opposed Chaim and challenged Jews to theological debates on this forum and he's STILL a moderator!....WTF?
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Thanks. I think though personally that the majority of Hispanics are not righteous, but that's another story for another thread.
We still have the matter of Thunderbolt to deal with. I know we are not permitted to outright speak against other forum members, but he has been causing problems for a very long time and his constant attempts to incite Christian forum members are infuriating (to me, at least). I am tired of dealing with this.
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Thanks. I think though personally that the majority of Hispanics are not righteous, but that's another story for another thread.
We still have the matter of Thunderbolt to deal with. I know we are not permitted to outright speak against other forum members, but he has been causing problems for a very long time and his constant attempts to incite Christian forum members are infuriating (to me, at least). I am tired of dealing with this.
If he has a go at somebody first, then they are entitled to sling manure back at him. The admins should just view his posts for the last 10 days.
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I think that even if he is not Hidden Author, he is in contact with him and/or is his friend.
ftf has also openly opposed Chaim and challenged Jews to theological debates on this forum and he's STILL a moderator!....WTF?
Jimmy wouldn't let me de-moderate FTF.
Jimmy needs to read ftf's posts since Jult 01. Even after Chaim laid down the law re: missionising, this shkutz proclaims that he will continue do do it.
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I can't speak as a Jew, but I have to say Islam is a world-wide problem and a very real issue. Nobody is just "picking on" a religion. Nobody is that immature. Nobody is just playing games to feel bigger than someone else. The fact is violence occurred in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh, in Israel, in France, with the Beslan school massacre, and the Turks have the most repressive regime in Europe. Nobody is kicking the innocent around, people are identifying a very real threat.
As for blacks, they commit a disproportionately high amount of crime and are involved in a "hip-hop" culture. They take off welfare and don't support themselves. They have illegitimate children that they can't afford to feed. They hate Jews and Whites collectively. Nobody is "picking on" anybody. Again, a legitimate and PROVABLE enemy exists.
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We should learn to stop bickering.... After all as the saying goes... UNITED WE STAND BUT DIVIDED WE FALL... everyone is entitled to their own opinion which can become especially problematic over the latest acts with people like Alan-T and others who made their controversial beliefs public...
We are working together to do something good so lets attack our real enemies and not those on the forum who almost all are great people...
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It's been sorted out , raiseyourfist...but it had to be cleared up. A bit of bickering now will prevent us going off the rails later. I've let it rest.