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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on December 25, 2012, 04:00:35 AM
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http://news.walla.co.il/elections/?w=%2F2780%2F2600324
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Don't you think you could avoid the nazi terminology when referring to Jews? The term 'Subhuman' was thrown around by the Nazis against Jews regularly during the Shoah. I understand there are problems with Ben Ari, but does that enable you to speak of a Jew like a Nazi?
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As Chaim has pointed out, MBA denounces Jewish heroes, argues against attacking Iran, and praises monsters such as Rabin. He's not a good person.
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As Chaim has pointed out, MBA denounces Jewish heroes, argues against attacking Iran, and praises monsters such as Rabin. He's not a good person.
I acknowledge he is not a good person. But as I said concerning the 'k' word, some words bear a connotation due to their usage by nazis. I do not want to engage in things which nazis did, so I find the use of some words questionable.... Again I will say that Ben Ari may well be a phony right winger, and I rebuke him for these obviously misguided things he says. There must be some restraint in our speech, as Chaim indicated in the last Ask JTF... We can strongly oppose evil without having to engage is behavior many may find questionable.
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I acknowledge he is not a good person. But as I said concerning the 'k' word, some words bear a connotation due to their usage by nazis. I do not want to engage in things which nazis did, so I find the use of some words questionable.... Again I will say that Ben Ari may well be a phony right winger, and I rebuke him for these obviously misguided things he says. There must be some restraint in our speech, as Chaim indicated in the last Ask JTF... We can strongly oppose evil without having to engage is behavior many may find questionable.
I don't believe nazis trademarked the insult "subhuman" nor does that even have a Jewish association.
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I don't believe nazis trademarked the insult "subhuman" nor does that even have a Jewish association.
Have you ever heard of the term 'Untermenschen'? It was employed commonly by the nazis in their attempt to terrorize Jews. Do you use such terms to describe Jews? I sincerely hope not.
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Maybe you should read the original SS novel called 'The Subhuman' about the Jewish problem in Germany, and the desire for the final solution...
(http://www.third-reich-books.com/621-75dpi.jpg)
http://www.third-reich-books.com/x-621-the-subhuman-der-untermensch.htm
#621 THE SUBHUMAN. Translated from the rare original SS picture book "Der Untermensch". SC. 51pp. $10.00. Temporarily soldout!
Here is an excerpt:
As long as there are men on the earth, the struggle between man and subhuman with be the historical rule; this Jewish-led struggle against the folks, as far back as we can look, belongs to the natural course of life on our planet. One can safely be convinced that this struggle for life and death is just as much a law of nature as the struggle of an infection against a healthy body."
Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler 1935
Just like night rises against day, just like light and shadow are eternally hostile – so is the greatest enemy of world-dominating man, man himself.
The subhuman – that biologically apparently same shaped creation of nature with hands, feet and a kind of brain, with eyes and mouth, is nonetheless a totally different, a terrible creature, is only an approximation of man, with human-like facial features – spiritually, psychologically, however, standing lower than any animal. Inside this being a chaos of wild, uninhibited passions: nameless will to destruction, most primitive desires, most undisguised baseness.
Subhuman – nothing else!
For not everything with a human face is equal.
Woe to whomever forgets that!
Whatever this earth possesses in great works, ideas and arts – man has conceived, created and perfected it; he reflected and invented, for him there was only one goal: to work his way upward into a higher existence, to shape the inadequate, to replace the insufficient with something better.
So developed culture.
So developed the plough, the tool, the house.
So did man become social, so developed family, so developed folk, so developed state. So did man become good and great. So did he rise far above all living beings.
So did he become second to God!
But the subhuman also lived. He hated the work of the other. He raged against it, secretly as thief, openly as slanderer – as murderer. He associated with his own kind.
The beast called the beast.
Never did the subhuman give peace, never did he give rest. For he needed the half-dark, chaos.
He shunned the light of cultural progress.
He needed for self-preservation the swamp, hell, but not the sun.
And this underworld of subhumans found its leader: the eternal Jew!
He understood them, he knew what they wanted. He fed their most base lusts and desires, he let the terror come over humanity.
It began in the historical time of the annihilation of the Persians, the Purim Fest, the first glorification of organized mass murder. 75,000 Aryan Persians fell victim to Jewish hatred. Even today, Jewry celebrates this deed of horror as its greatest "religious" holiday.
Eternal is the hatred of the subhuman against the light figures, the carriers of light. Eternally does the decline of the west threaten from the deserts.
Eternally do the powers of destruction gather together in the distant steppe, do Attila and Jenghiz Khan mass their hun hordes and race across Europe, leaving behind a living apocalypse, fire and death, rape, murder and terror, so that the world of light and thousand-fold knowledge, the powers of progress and human greatness, sink back into the abyss of primeval condition.
Eternal is the subhuman’s desire:
That it again becomes desert, where the light of sublime knowledge creatively illuminates the darkness, then his final goal would be achieved, chaos.
So does the struggle of both opposites happen for millennia in accordance to terrible, incalculable laws; again and again there is an Attila, a Jenghiz Khan, who rips open Europe’s gate, who knows only one thing: the total destruction of everything beautiful!
The embodiment of this will for destruction is today called Bolshevism! But this Bolshevism is not a manifestation of our time. It is not a product of our days! It is also nothing new in the framework of human history. Rather it is as old as the Jew himself. His pioneers are named Lenin – Stalin.
"The leading minds in a folk are butchered, and then it comes into governmental, economical, cultural, spiritual, psychological and bodily slavery. The rest of the folk, robbed of its own value through countless blood mixtures – becomes deformed – and in the historically short course of centuries one knows at best that such a folk had once existed."
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While I agree that some terms we should definitely stay away from ( such as 'white nationalist' )... I just don't think Subhuman is one of them.... and I think its appropriate for certain scum of the earth people... who betray Israel...
But maybe I'm wrong... maybe Chaim should intervene here...
I do remember hearing about nazis using that term... I think they used a lot of these terms related to genetics/race... like mongrel, alien, etc.
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I dont mind when he uses it against Arab Nazis, but come on! He is taking this sh^t wayyy to far. It is these types of things that lead to the destruction of the second Temple and the exile of the Jewish nation for almost 2,000 years! Many little factions literally stabbing each other and focusing on fighting more against each other then fighting the foreign entities which were occupying Eress Yisrael.
What is our goal in the end? To help Jews and the Jewish nation or to try and prove that we are correct and to satisfy our egos?
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Have you ever heard of the term 'Untermenschen'? It was employed commonly by the nazis in their attempt to terrorize Jews. Do you use such terms to describe Jews? I sincerely hope not.
Of course I have heard the term untermenschen. That's a different word than subhuman. It's a German word.
In fact, I have in the past described the settlers as the Israeli regime's "untermenschen" because of the way they are stigmatized and treated without basic human rights. So, what's your hangup here?
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I dont mind when he uses it against Arab Nazis, but come on! He is taking this sh^t wayyy to far. It is these types of things that lead to the destruction of the second Temple and the exile of the Jewish nation for almost 2,000 years! Many little factions literally stabbing each other and focusing on fighting more against each other then fighting the foreign entities which were occupying Eress Yisrael.
What is our goal in the end? To help Jews and the Jewish nation or to try and prove that we are correct and to satisfy our egos?
Thank you Tag... I appreciate your speaking up about it...
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Of course I have heard the term untermenschen. That's a different word than subhuman. It's a German word.
In fact, I have in the past described the settlers as the Israeli regime's "untermenschen" because of the way they are stigmatized and treated without basic human rights. So, what's your hangup here?
Ok , KWRBT, nobody will be able to suggest to you that there is anything wrong with engaging in these kinds of namecalling... But remember that others will judge you by the words you use... Go on ahead with this, if you feel you are justified. I will not engage in this, and I will point out the error in doing so...
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I acknowledge he is not a good person. But as I said concerning the 'k' word, some words bear a connotation due to their usage by nazis. I do not want to engage in things which nazis did, so I find the use of some words questionable.... Again I will say that Ben Ari may well be a phony right winger, and I rebuke him for these obviously misguided things he says. There must be some restraint in our speech, as Chaim indicated in the last Ask JTF... We can strongly oppose evil without having to engage is behavior many may find questionable.
I agree with you Muman. I am no fan of Mila Kunis. Really, I dont care about her or Hollywood in general, but when I heard some fat Ukranian Ba****d refer to her as a "dirty Jewess" last week, I thought this pig (no offense to swine) should have visited on his filthy carcass what was done to our relatives in the Ukraine. That would teach this microbe to open his fat disgusting mouth. It's reminiscent of the story relayed by Chaim when some self-hating Jewish group didn't want the involvement of the JDL because they "didn't want to make problems," only for Rabbi Kahane to say in effect, "who cares what you want, when they insult and threaten Jews, "WE ARE THERE!" What you, or your weak organizations 'want' is ancillary to the needs of the Jewish people.
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I dont mind when he uses it against Arab Nazis, but come on! He is taking this sh^t wayyy to far. It is these types of things that lead to the destruction of the second Temple and the exile of the Jewish nation for almost 2,000 years! Many little factions literally stabbing each other and focusing on fighting more against each other then fighting the foreign entities which were occupying Eress Yisrael.
What is our goal in the end? To help Jews and the Jewish nation or to try and prove that we are correct and to satisfy our egos?
MBA is the one doing the backstabbing around here, not JTF.
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MBA is the one doing the backstabbing around here, not JTF.
Not that I am doubting anyones statements here.... But can there be shown some evidence of this backstabbing you are talking about. Also backstabbing does not make someone subhuman. If it does according to your understanding, please explain to me what a subhuman is? I cannot find any reference to it in the Torah. We have many enemies, even Amalek is human... So what is subhuman other than the definition given by the germans?
Are Ben Ari and Baruch Marzel the same person now?
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Not that I am doubting anyones statements here.... But can there be shown some evidence of this backstabbing you are talking about. Also backstabbing does not make someone subhuman. If it does according to your understanding, please explain to me what a subhuman is? I cannot find any reference to it in the Torah. We have many enemies, even Amalek is human... So what is subhuman other than the definition given by the germans?
Are Ben Ari and Baruch Marzel the same person now?
I agree with you Muman. I think the example of Mila Kunis is a good one
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I agree with you Muman. I think the example of Mila Kunis is a good one
Yes you are correct. I don't even know who she is but when I read this 'dirty Jew' comment my hairs stood on end, remembering the days of the Ukrainian monsters killing Jews (which led to my great-great grandad from leaving Ukraine) and more recently during WWII when Ukrainians gleefully did the dirty work in the Death camps... Those dirty Ukrainians deserve such retribution.
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I agree with you Muman. I am no fan of Mila Kunis. Really, I dont care about her or Hollywood in general, but when I heard some fat Ukranian Ba****d refer to her as a "dirty Jewess" last week, I thought this pig (no offense to swine) should have visited on his filthy carcass what was done to our relatives in the Ukraine. That would teach this microbe to open his fat disgusting mouth. It's reminiscent of the story relayed by Chaim when some self-hating Jewish group didn't want the involvement of the JDL because they "didn't want to make problems," only for Rabbi Kahane to say in effect, "who cares what you want, when they insult and threaten Jews, "WE ARE THERE!" What you, or your weak organizations 'want' is ancillary to the needs of the Jewish people.
I disagree with you. This Ukrainian Nazi POS is just an ignorant animal like a negro or Muslim Nazi. He has about as much sense as a stray dog that eats its own feces. Mila Slutnis is an educated Jewess who knows better when she promotes evil. She whores around (including bisexually, i.e. with Fagalie Whoreman in Black Swan) with all of the other refuse of Hollyweird, all of them (except for Fagalie who is just as evil if not more so) Gentiles. For eight years she carried on with the heroin addict Macaulay Culkin for crying out loud. To make matters worse, she tops off her promotion of whoredom, sodomy, and miscegenation with Gentiles by supporting our Muslim "president" and spreading blood libels about Republicans:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/mila-kunis-republicans-women-religion_n_1950826.html
I guarantee you that the hellfire that Hashem has prepared for Slutnis will make those reserved for this Ukrainian beast look like an electric blanket.
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http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5760/kisavo.html
Rav Gifter therefore interprets the pasuk [verse] with new insight: How was it possible for the Egyptians to torture us (as the pasuk continues "Vaya-anunu" - "and they tortured us")? Didn't the Egyptians have any compassion? How could one human being treat a second human being so cruelly? The answer is that first "VayaRei-u OSANU" - they mounted a campaign to portray Jews as less than human, as disgusting and despicable beings. They made US into bad people and as a result of that they could begin to torture us.
Rav Gifter then comments that we have seen this phenomenon with our own eyes. We do not need to imagine what took place in ancient Egypt. This is precisely what anti-Semites have done in every generation. A text book example of this is what happened in Germany. They did not suddenly stand up one day and say "smash all their windows and kill them all". There was a gradual campaign to make us less than human.
Anyone who is ever in the vicinity of Washington, DC should take the time to visit The United States Holocaust Museum. The museum traces the history of anti-Semitism in Germany. The anti-Semitism was based on a "hierarchy of nations". They backed up their hatred of Jews with theories and philosophies. There were "higher races"; there were "lower races"; and there were "sub-human species". They considered the Jews "sub-human species". "Vayarei-u osonu" - they made us wicked, portraying us as less than human.
http://www.rabbiwein.com/blog/ideology-loses-81.html
Hitler’s ideology was pure and simple. He believed in the supremacy of the Aryan race and the destruction of others whom he saw as being sub-human, especially the Jews. His two cardinal mistakes in the war stemmed from his ideology. He invaded Russia because he needed its territory for lebensraum and he wished to destroy its Jews and enslave its Slavic population.
He embarked Germany upon a two-front war that it could not possibly, in the long run, win. He pursued the extermination of the Jews unhesitatingly even when this policy was at the expense of his successful prosecution of the war itself. The Soviet Union had to collapse like a house of cards because he willed it to be that way.
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Not that I am doubting anyones statements here.... But can there be shown some evidence of this backstabbing you are talking about. Also backstabbing does not make someone subhuman. If it does according to your understanding, please explain to me what a subhuman is? I cannot find any reference to it in the Torah. We have many enemies, even Amalek is human... So what is subhuman other than the definition given by the germans?
Are Ben Ari and Baruch Marzel the same person now?
Ben Phony praises the Jewish Nazi Yitzhak Rabin, who murdered his own fellow Jews, denounces Jewish martyrs like Amir Popper and Yigal Amir, and says that Iran should be allowed to build nuclear bombs. How much more backstabbing does it get than that?
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I disagree with you. This Ukrainian Nazi POS is just an ignorant animal like a negro or Muslim Nazi. He has about as much sense as a stray dog that eats its own feces. Mila Slutnis is an educated Jewess who knows better when she promotes evil. She whores around (including bisexually, i.e. with Fagalie Slutman in Black Swan) with all of the other refuse of Hollyweird, all of them (except for Fagalie who is just as evil if not more so) Gentiles. For eight years she carried on with the heroin addict Macaulay Culkin for crying out loud. To make matters worse, she tops off her promotion of whoredom, sodomy, and miscegenation with Gentiles by supporting our Muslim "president" and spreading blood libels about Republicans:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/mila-kunis-republicans-women-religion_n_1950826.html
I guarantee you that the hellfire that Hashem has prepared for Slutnis will make those reserved for this Ukrainian beast look like an electric blanket.
You are entitled to disagree but you miss the mark.... What he said was not because of the reason you hate her, he hates her because she is JEWISH.... That is why he said 'Dirty Jew'.... All Jews in this guys heart are evil and it just so happens he expressed it about her. As I said there is no defense of whether or not she is doing wrong. But that is beside the point, he could have said what he wanted to without calling her a DIRTY JEW.... If you don't understand it it is only because you are not Jewish...
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Ben Phony praises the Jewish Nazi Yitzhak Rabin, who murdered his own fellow Jews, denounces Jewish martyrs like Amir Popper and Yigal Amir, and says that Iran should be allowed to build nuclear bombs. How much more backstabbing does it get than that?
This does not make someone Subhuman... That is what I am saying, and using the term is offensive to some Jews, myself included. This is not a defense of those you mention. But even saying something positive about Rabin doesn't make one a traitor. And what one says depends on what people want to hear. So I will persist in believing it is incorrect to use these terms about Ben Ari... And based on what Chaim said on Ask JTF the other day I still believe he would not use such a strong word against Ben Ari... I will apologize if I am wrong..
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PS... I may be sensitive to this name because I was called SubHuman in school because of my last name...
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You are entitled to disagree but you miss the mark.... What he said was not because of the reason you hate her, he hates her because she is JEWISH.... That is why he said 'Dirty Jew'.... All Jews in this guys heart are evil and it just so happens he expressed it about her. As I said there is no defense of whether or not she is doing wrong. But that is beside the point, he could have said what he wanted to without calling her a DIRTY JEW.... If you don't understand it it is only because you are not Jewish...
Did you listen to what I wrote? How did I say that this Ukrainian butcher isn't a satanic Nazi? I said that there is a difference in the kind of evil that they represent, not in whether or not they are evil.
Our Ukrainian friend is of the same ilk as your average shahid in Jenin or Tulkarem or gangbanger in Harlem or Compton. In other words, he is a mentally retarded primitive Nazi animal. Slutnis is not. Slutnis is an educated Jewish woman from a good family who has every reason to fully understand right from wrong, and instead she and her girlfriend Whoreman are going around spreading their legs for every Tom, D1ck, and Harry Gentile man (and woman) and denoncing any opposition to that lifestyle as "religious bigotry" and cheerleading for their favorite Muslim in the Oral Office. It is "Jews" like Slutman and Slutnis that enable Nazis such as our Ukrainian friend here and the Pedos to make many of their arguments against Jews.
How many stupid preteen girls in the West follow the rhetoric of Ukrainian Nazis, and how many follow Slutnis?
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You are entitled to disagree but you miss the mark.... What he said was not because of the reason you hate her, he hates her because she is JEWISH.... That is why he said 'Dirty Jew'.... All Jews in this guys heart are evil and it just so happens he expressed it about her. As I said there is no defense of whether or not she is doing wrong. But that is beside the point, he could have said what he wanted to without calling her a DIRTY JEW.... If you don't understand it it is only because you are not Jewish...
Apparently, this expression, "dirty Jewess," has more of a meaning than meets the eye, though that meaning is incredibly obvious. Apparently the Ukrainian 'expression' that this sick vile **** used is one that was used routinely during the murder of Jewish women at places like Baba Yar. Incidently, I dont think any Lithuaninan or German should be opining about any Jew whatsoever in terms of their Jewishness--AT ALL. A much more civilized example of this can be seen when say, Angela Merkel is freely proffering advice to Israel. I feel like saying, "hey lady, keep your advice for someone who cares." And if one were to argue that Germany is on the side of Israel, I can only say this: because of their particularly brutal Jew killing history, they feel only a 'modicum' of restraint when it comes to their gratuitous advice, but the core of their advice is exactly the same as that of say, the United Kingdom.
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I have not found any mention of his stating that he doesn't believe Iran is a threat. What I can find is that he said that he thinks invading Gaza is a more important goal than pursuing Iranian atomic program. But does this really mean he doesn't believe Iran is a threat, or does it indicate that he has a different strategy? All I know is from a google search I did on the topic, and for the most part it seems Ben Ari is seen as a hawk in some circles. Isn't it best to keep the Iranian strategy close to the vest and not divulge the actual plans? Maybe this is something he is saying just to cause misdirection?
Here is what I find on the topic:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159550#.UNoqh2L1T0E
Israel has bigger problems than Iranian threats, MK Michael Ben-Ari (National Union) said Sunday. Speaking to supporters in the Hadar neighborhood of Haifa, he warned that internal threats to Israel’s identity are the real cause for concern.
If the government is prepared to strike Israel’s enemies, he said, it should strike Gaza. Hamas is constantly attacking Israel, he noted, telling the audience, “While you were enjoying your Sabbath meal Saturday, or going to the beach, people in Sderot had to stay close to their bomb shelters."
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He seems very strong in condemning illegal infiltration also...
Aside from this statement is there anything else which indicates that he doesn't think Iran is a threat?
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Apparently, this expression, "dirty Jewess," has more of a meaning than meets the eye, though that meaning is incredibly obvious. Apparently the Ukrainian 'expression' that this sick vile **** used is one that was used routinely during the murder of Jewish women at places like Baba Yar. Incidently, I dont think any Lithuaninan or German should be opining about any Jew whatsoever in terms of their Jewishness--AT ALL. A much more civilized example of this can be seen when say, Angela Merkel is freely proffering advice to Israel. I feel like saying, "hey lady, keep your advice for someone who cares." And if one were to argue that Germany is on the side of Israel, I can only say this: because of their particularly brutal Jew killing history, they feel only a 'modicum' of restraint when it comes to their gratuitous advice, but the core of their advice is exactly the same as that of say, the United Kingdom.
These animals indeed deserve a second Holodomor. But that doesn't mean that Slutnis and Whoreman aren't just as evil.
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Did you listen to what I wrote? How did I say that this Ukrainian butcher isn't a satanic Nazi? I said that there is a difference in the kind of evil that they represent, not in whether or not they are evil.
Our Ukrainian friend is of the same ilk as your average shahid in Jenin or Tulkarem or gangbanger in Harlem or Compton. In other words, he is a mentally retarded primitive Nazi animal. Slutnis is not. Slutnis is an educated Jewish woman from a good family who has every reason to fully understand right from wrong, and instead she and her girlfriend Whoreman are going around spreading their legs for every Tom, D1ck, and Harry Gentile man (and woman) and denoncing any opposition to that lifestyle as "religious bigotry" and cheerleading for their favorite Muslim in the Oral Office. It is "Jews" like Slutman and Slutnis that enable Nazis such as our Ukrainian friend here and the Pedos to make many of their arguments against Jews.
How many stupid preteen girls in the West follow the rhetoric of Ukrainian Nazis, and how many follow Slutnis?
I dont agree with this. The middle passage of your post argues that it's Kunis' fault for being attacked for being a Jew. It's this nazi [censored]'s fault for referring to her religion as an acceptable way to demean her as a human being. That's the nazi part of his being a [censored]. If he said, I don't like Kunis because the values she and the hollywood community promote are antithetical to the kinds of values that I want to see my children raised," then that would be a completely different story. Instead, this bastard invokes, by used of his filthy mouth, the forced murder of naked Jewish women by shooting them into ravine pits to the tune of 32, 000 women and children in less than 2 days, so herein lies the difference. Mila Kunis could be the whore of Babylon; his Jew hatred is an entirely unrelated phenonomenon in that being a "dirty Jewess" is only used by nazis as a way to QUALIFY people as subhuman. It wasn't her ideas that he lashed out against, it was her perceived Jewishness
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I dont agree with this. The middle passage of your post argues that it's Kunis' fault for being attacked for being a Jew. It's this nazi [censored]'s fault for referring to her religion as an acceptable way to demean her as a human being. That's the nazi part of his being a [censored]. If he said, I don't like Kunis because the values she and the hollywood community promote are antithetical to the kinds of values that I want to see my children raised," then that would be a completely different story. Instead, this bastard invokes, by used of his filthy mouth, the forced murder of naked Jewish women by shooting them into ravine pits to the tune of 32, 000 women and children in less than 2 days, so herein lies the difference. Mila Kunis could be the whore of Babylon; his Jew hatred is an entirely unrelated phenonomenon in that being a "dirty Jewess" is only used by nazis as a way to QUALIFY people as subhuman. It wasn't her ideas that he lashed out against, it was her perceived Jewishness
Of course he hates her because she is Jewish. He is a lowlife feral dog whose only instincts in life are to eat his own waste, rape female dogs in heat, and attack everything that passes by. That's what he is, an animal. Kunis is not in that category. She is a member of G-d's chosen people whether she wants to accept that or not. Instead of being a light to the world, she encourages the world to be as sick and depraved as she is, and she denounces righteous people (such as conservative Republican Christians, who are the only people on planet earth actually sticking up for Jews). Of course the Nazis do not care about this and they probably even agree with most of her morality and politics. But they use examples such as her to make demagogic attacks on all Jewry.
As far as the monsters that are the butchers of Babi Yar are concerned, let me remind you that Slutnis supports their modern-day equivalents the Fakestinians, or at least a president who supports them. In just the month and a half since BHO was reelected, more Jews have died because of him (because he demanded that Lewinsky stop his pathetic offensive against the Gaza terrorists and come back to the White House to service him). If the Muslim animal BHO has his way, more Jews will die in Israel in the near future than were murdered at Babi Yar.
I won't say what I'd like to do to this Ukrainian rodent here on the forum because this is a law-abiding movement and I don't want to get in legal trouble. But I'm sure as hell not going to defend Slutnis in any way.
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I'm with Muman and JTF Enthusiast on this one about the use of the word subhuman and about the actress Mila Kunis.
As for Michael Ben Ari, why not just call him a snake, a political prostitute, a slimeball, a sleaze bucket, a sick self hating Jew, a phony Kahanist and/or a traitor to real Kahanism? That certainly gets your point across. I should also remind people here that Chaim used to use the work "kike" many many years ago, but that he stopped. If I remember correctly, he was even asked about it on an old "Ask JTF" and said that people were very put off by that word.
As for Mila Kunis being called a "dirty Jew" by some Ukrainian piece of excrement let me just say something. Her character (or lack thereof) makes no difference to these Nazi sympathizing pieces of garbage. She and Natalie Portman could be paragons of virtue, and they would still be called that disgusting name by that Ukrainian. These anti-Semites don't discriminate and never have. For all these monsters care, Jews could be either liberal, conservative, slutty, decent or any number of things. But it wouldn't matter. They are "dirty Jews" by virtue of popping out of the wombs of Jewish women, or for having any kind of Jewish ancestry.
That's why it might seem to you, YS to Pruneface, that people are sticking up for Mila Kunis. She was called that name ONLY for being Jewish. Nothing else.
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Agreed, this concept also came up when some Yemeni piece of [censored] tried to send a bomb to a congregation of Jews that was accepting of lesbians and gays, or when Rabbi Kahane demanded that a self-hating Jewish organization not politely kow to militant Black groups and allow these sick Jew haters to take the Bima! He didn't care and said "NO WAY, if they come here, they will have problems." The ideological differences may have been and are significant, but they will hate us for being kikes, no matter who we are, what we do, how much we suck up or refuse to, etc. We see the Jewish differences between us, but THEY attack us for being Jews.
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I understand that some Jews act immoral and evil; they are failing the mission Hashem gave them. He will be the judge of them. All we can do is continue to do good and firmly point out their error. and stand against them. We may surely be angered at their actions, indignant that they are doing evil. And in their actions, their evil deeds, we become more worried because they are affecting the world and universe in a negative way. To me, rather than get caught up in childish name calling, I feel more pain in what they do. But I am NEVER going to call them "subhuman" or "whore" "slut" etc.. NEVER. Because we should know better. It does not take a genius to know the nazi connotation of subhuman. Even if nazis didn't create that word, they used it as they were killing Jews. What shame that Jews just throw insults out to each other and use their evil acts as justification- as if we were the perfect judges over each other. Do we not think that in the end, Hashem will question us. Will ask us why we called someone "whore" and "subhuman"? Does no one feel it gets close to a Chillul Hashem- for people to look at the forum and see Jews and Gentiles going off on people as sluts, whores, sunhumans etc... and say "wow, if Jews can say those things we can definitely call Jews whatever we want"
As for Mila, I hate the words that anti-semite used against her. Maybe it insulted her, maybe she didn't care. Who knows...she seems to be spending the "holidays" with her gentile boyfriend right now. No matter how much she wants to act like a gentile and assmiliate- it doesn't matter because anti-semites are not going to care obviously. What that anti-semite said is completely vile. But I hope that it reminds Mila that she is part of a nation and she is very fortunate of the fact and returns to Hashem.
Lastly, while I understand the anger that we may have for Jews who act in evil ways, I most certainly do not and will NOT agree with allowing Gentiles here to call Jews all the words that I see thrown around here. They can surely be indignant and angered by evil actions but why are they able to throw such insults?
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I'm with Muman and JTF Enthusiast on this one about the use of the word subhuman and about the actress Mila Kunis.
As for Michael Ben Ari, why not just call him a snake, a political prostitute, a slimeball, a sleaze bucket, a sick self hating Jew, a phony Kahanist and/or a traitor to real Kahanism? That certainly gets your point across. I should also remind people here that Chaim used to use the work "kike" many many years ago, but that he stopped. If I remember correctly, he was even asked about it on an old "Ask JTF" and said that people were very put off by that word.
I'm not the one who said "subhuman". I'm not going to defend that sick, disgusting self-hating fraud though. He is making a mockery of Kahanism and Judaism and he is more damaging than ten Yariv Oppenheimers or Tzipi Hitlers.
As for Mila Kunis being called a "dirty Jew" by some Ukrainian piece of excrement let me just say something. Her character (or lack thereof) makes no difference to these Nazi sympathizing pieces of garbage. She and Natalie Portman could be paragons of virtue, and they would still be called that disgusting name by that Ukrainian. These anti-Semites don't discriminate and never have. For all these monsters care, Jews could be either liberal, conservative, slutty, decent or any number of things. But it wouldn't matter. They are "dirty Jews" by virtue of popping out of the wombs of Jewish women, or for having any kind of Jewish ancestry.
My opinion of the Ukrainian Nazi is the same either way. A sane Israeli government would send the Mossad after his tuchis and allow him to spend his last days in a concentration camp similar to the ones that his ancestors threw Jews in. I was only pointing out that I am not going to even make the appearance of defending that satanic whore Slutnis in the process. She is helping to kill Jews each and every day that she is alive and I will not pretend that is not so.
That's why it might seem to you, YS to Pruneface, that people are sticking up for Mila Kunis. She was called that name ONLY for being Jewish. Nothing else.
Of course I know that, but it does not make her any kind of a victim or heroine. Try to imagine Michael Whore attacking Fag Buchanus for being a "dirty Republican". Would any of us want to stick up for Fag, even if he didn't really "deserve" the insult?
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Agreed, this concept also came up when some Yemenese piece of [censored] tried to send a bomb to a congregation of Jews that was accepting of lesbians and gays, or when Rabbi Kahane demanded that a self-hating Jewish organization not politely kow to militant Black groups and allow these sick Jew haters to take the Bima! He didn't care and said "NO WAY, if they come here, they will have problems." The ideological differences may have been and are significant, but they will hate us for being kikes, no matter who we are, what we do, how much we suck up or refuse to, etc. We see the Jewish differences between us, but THEY attack us for being Jews.
I understand HaRav's point of view but that was still one heck of an evil SINagogue to be promoting black Nazism.
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I edited the title of this thread. Michael Ben Ari's positions on certain issues are wrong, but it does not put him on par with Nazis and Muslims whose seething hatred and barbarism against Jews renders them "subhuman". Also Chaim has said even though we have problems with Michael Ben Ari and other people falsely calling themselves Kahanists, it is not helpful to have an outright campaign of hatred against them.
I didn't start this thread, and I do respect Chaim's wishes and views, but I don't agree with him all of the time. I believe that MBA is a very dangerous and very sick individual who is doing lots of damage to the Kahanist movement and its reputation just for the sake of his career. I don't see how he is different from Nellie the Weasel, Tzipwhora Hitler, or any other self-hating traitors.
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As for Mila, I hate the words that anti-semite used against her. Maybe it insulted her, maybe she didn't care. Who knows...she seems to be spending the "holidays" with her gentile boyfriend right now. No matter how much she wants to act like a gentile and assmiliate- it doesn't matter because anti-semites are not going to care obviously. What that anti-semite said is completely vile. But I hope that it reminds Mila that she is part of a nation and she is very fortunate of the fact and returns to Hashem.
Lastly, while I understand the anger that we may have for Jews who act in evil ways, I most certainly do not and will NOT agree with allowing Gentiles here to call Jews all the words that I see thrown around here. They can surely be indignant and angered by evil actions but why are they able to throw such insults?
Not sure I follow you here, IH: I dont recall anyone calling anyone a name, unless you mean the former title of the thread? In this week's ASK JTF, Chaim refers to YS to pruneface's characterization as unhelpful, BUT that he recognizes YS to pruneface's loyalty, respect, and care for Chaim which is what makes him so angry.
Honestly, I can't get passed the fact that JTF gave these folks tens of thousands of dollars and this is how they repay JTF for that kind of support. That's pretty revolting and I am tempted to curse them myself for that kind of unforgivable Chutzpah. How do you accept tens of thousands of dollars of support only to act like a complete chaza?
Also, JTF has thoughts about Christmas based on the history of what was done to Jews for hundreds of years at Christmas time, not to individual present day Christians who enjoy the holiday as a time to be with their families and loved ones and celebrate their religion.
BTW, IH. I just reread my post and I realize it seems like I am talking to you, but I really was only trying to clarify a point so that we don't argue unnecessarily as has happened in the past. I am locked out of my other account that had a few thousand posts
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Not sure I follow you here, IH: I dont recall anyone calling anyone a name, unless you mean the former title of the thread? In this week's ASK JTF, Chaim refers to YS to pruneface's characterization as unhelpful, BUT that he recognizes YS to pruneface's loyalty, respect, and care for Chaim which is what makes him so angry.
Honestly, I can't get passed the fact that JTF gave these folks tens of thousands of dollars and this is how they repay JTF for that kind of support. That's pretty revolting and I am tempted to curse them myself for that kind of unforgivable Chutzpah. How do you accepts tens of thousands of dollars of support only to act like a complete chaza?
Also, JTF has thoughts about Christmas based on the history of what was done to Jews for hundreds of years at Christmas time, not to individual present day Christians who enjoy the holiday as a time to be with their families and loved ones and celebrate their religion.
BTW, IH. I just reread my post and I realize it seems like I am talking to you, but I really was only trying to clarify a point so that we don't argue unnecessarily as has happened in the past. I am locked out of my other account that had a few thousand posts
I just made a new thread in which I clarify why I feel the way I do about MBA and the other pseudo-Kahanists, using Chaim's own words and evidence and explaining my thoughts without throwing around insults.
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I'm confused by your post, JTFEnthusiast.
Who is getting thousands of dollars? Did I ever mention anyone getting money?
And yes, there was been a lot of name calling. Mila, "Fagalin Slutman" or whatever other names. Lots and lots of name calling. That is what I was referring to. As an adult I don't resort to such names but I wonder why it's so easy for people to throw such names. It's not appealing to me as an observer. And I question how non-Jews here can use whatever insults to Jews- even Jews who act disgracefully.
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I'm confused by your post, JTFEnthusiast.
Who is getting thousands of dollars? Did I ever mention anyone getting money?
And yes, there was been a lot of name calling. Mila, "Fagalin Slutman" or whatever other names. Lots and lots of name calling. That is what I was referring to. As an adult I don't resort to such names but I wonder why it's so easy for people to throw such names. It's not appealing to me as an observer. And I question how non-Jews here can use whatever insults to Jews- even Jews who act disgracefully.
Do you know anything about the behavior of Natalie Portman and Kunis?
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I'm confused by your post, JTFEnthusiast.
Who is getting thousands of dollars? Did I ever mention anyone getting money?
And yes, there was been a lot of name calling. Mila, "Fagalin Slutman" or whatever other names. Lots and lots of name calling. That is what I was referring to. As an adult I don't resort to such names but I wonder why it's so easy for people to throw such names. It's not appealing to me as an observer. And I question how non-Jews here can use whatever insults to Jews- even Jews who act disgracefully.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I guess I have grown used to those kind of name distortions. You're right.
I explained the money thing poorly. I should have done a better job. What I meant to add is that I, too, am annoyed at these folks because they took tens of thousands or dollars from JTF, a 21, 000 dollar check stands out in my mind from one of Chaim's "Ask JTF." I think it's just unbelievable that one could take that much money from someone or their group and then turn on them the way they have tried to turn on Chaim. That just shows the worst kind of personal character, and that I feel almost makes them curse worthy. Hope that is clearer, Israeli Heart.
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Of course I am aware of Kunis and Portman's behavior, immoral and bad shameful. But I believe in the Jewish spark and the hope someone can eventually change.
I just wonder it's ok for you to be calling them sluts and whores.
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I explained the money thing poorly. I should have done a better job. What I meant to add is that I, too, am annoyed at these folks because they took tens of thousands or dollars from JTF, a 21, 000 dollar check stands out in my mind from one of Chaim's "Ask JTF." I think it's just unbelievable that one could take that much money from someone or their group and then turn on them the way they have tried to turn on Chaim. That just shows the worst kind of personal character, and that I feel almost makes them curse worthy. Hope that is clearer, Israeli Heart.
That is exactly why I think Marzel is pure evil and a backstabber. I don't have the least iota of respect for him and his fellow travelers, but will abide by Chaim's wishes on the subject.
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Of course I am aware of Kunis and Portman's behavior. But I believe in the Jewish spark and the hope someone can eventually change.
I just wonder it's ok for you to be calling them sluts and whores.
Not only do they proudly parade around miscegenation, promiscuity and sodomy, but they actively lobby for a Nazi president and they slander Israel's only allies in the world (right-wing Republicans), tarring them with the blood libel of being sexists.
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Not that I am doubting anyones statements here.... But can there be shown some evidence of this backstabbing you are talking about. Also backstabbing does not make someone subhuman. If it does according to your understanding, please explain to me what a subhuman is? I cannot find any reference to it in the Torah. We have many enemies, even Amalek is human... So what is subhuman other than the definition given by the germans?
Are Ben Ari and Baruch Marzel the same person now?
No. Different people. Ben Ari is the one who says Israel should not stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And yet he poses as a so-called "rightwinger." Could there possibly be a more dangerous person to Israel? He is truly sick.
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Not only do they proudly parade around miscegenation, promiscuity and sodomy, but they actively lobby for a Nazi president and they slander Israel's only allies in the world (right-wing Republicans), tarring them with the blood libel of being sexists.
Ooh ok and you have proof of their "sodomy" (one that is real and not in some movie)
Also, do we have a Sanhedrin that would condemn them for their atrocities? Oh we don't need one... apparently, we have Gentiles who have that authority now.
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http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5760/kisavo.html
they mounted a campaign to portray Jews as less than human, as disgusting and despicable beings.
http://www.rabbiwein.com/blog/ideology-loses-81.html
So does that now take the term out of usage? Because nazis once claimed Jews are subhuman, the word "subhuman" is no longer acceptable within the English language? How ridiculous.
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PS... I may be sensitive to this name because I was called SubHuman in school because of my last name...
So that's what this is about.
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I edited the title of this thread. Michael Ben Ari's positions on certain issues are wrong, but it does not put him on par with Nazis and Muslims whose seething hatred and barbarism against Jews renders them "subhuman". Also Chaim has said even though we have problems with Michael Ben Ari and other people falsely calling themselves Kahanists, it is not helpful to have an outright campaign of hatred against them.
I accept your decision here. Just seems to me these guys are getting worse and worse by the day.
You're right about the personal insults, maybe I should have known better. But the connection some tried to draw with "nazi-talk" really has no validity. Subhuman is an English word.
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Ooh ok and you have proof of their "sodomy" (one that is real and not in some movie)
Also, do we have a Sanhedrin that would condemn them for their atrocities? Oh we don't need one... apparently, we have Gentiles who have that authority now.
Promoting sodomy in a movie isn't bad enough? And we need the Sanhedrin to tell us that what they are doing is satanic?
http://www.afterellen.com/people/2011/01/mila-kunis-talks-about-her-gay-connections-with-the-advocate
http://www.thespoof.com/news/entertainment-gossip/17646/actress-natalie-portman-comes-out-of-closet-admits-bi-sexuality
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so he's a not subhuman huh? then John Kerry and Nancy Pelosy are saints
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Promoting lesbianism is not the same as the actual act of sodomy. I don't think nor would I want to say the definition of sodomy but how is it compared to a female relation in a movie. In any event, that is a sick act I don't want to reduce myself to talk about it. Intimate female relations are not the same although they are just as vile and disgusting.
I do question how it's ok for whore and slutman to be thrown around like nothing. "The sky is blue" "the water is cold" "slutman" "mila whoris" etc..etc..
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Technically not Jewish female homosexuality is not forbidden (According to the Torah at least).
Male forbidden for all.
Jewish female- Forbidden but the punishment is getting whipped as punishment to discourage it (less severe then for the men).
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Promoting lesbianism is not the same as the actual act of sodomy. I don't think nor would I want to say the definition of sodomy but how is it compared to a female relation in a movie. In any event, that is a sick act I don't want to reduce myself to talk about it. Intimate female relations are not the same although they are just as vile and disgusting.
I do question how it's ok for whore and slutman to be thrown around like nothing. "The sky is blue" "the water is cold" "slutman" "mila whoris" etc..etc..
The actual definition of sodomy is homosexual sex. Not only did Portman and Kunis engage in homosexual sex in a movie, but at least one of them (Portman) has admitted to having engaged in it in real life as well. They both advocate it, for both men and women. Why do we need the Sanhedrin to tell us that lesbian perversion and homosexual sex in general are wicked? Do you forget that Sedom and Amorah were destroyed, in large part, for homosexual behavior?
These two women are just about the worst kind of evil one can find on planet earth. Even if they were Gentiles they would be, but it is all the worse that they are member of G-d's holy nation and are promoting these abominations. In this way they are more harmful than that Ukrainian Nazi. The Ukrainian POS is scum of the earth for sure, but he probably doesn't have much of a following. Portman and Kunis are helping to brainwash tens if not hundreds of millions of stupid kids all over the world to believe that sodomy is cool and to support the Nazi in the Oval Office.
Tag: Chaim disagrees with you. He very clearly states that lesbian sodomitic perversion is forbidden by Torah because it is one of the abominations of Egypt. I can't think of many things on planet earth that are sicker than women lying with each other and neither can Hashem.
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YS, I agree with you in that lesbian acts are immoral. And they should be as bad as male acts etc...
But the Torah does make it clear what is a capital offense and what is not. In the Book of Mitzvot it does talk about the homosexual acts of men and men being the ones that would result in stoning to death. With no share of the world to come. Female to female is not in the same category of punishment.
It is equally as vile. But it is one thing for us to say it is "sodomy" and another of what is written down in the actual law.
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YS, I agree with you in that lesbian acts are immoral. And they should be as bad as male acts etc...
But the Torah does make it clear what is a capital offense and what is not. In the Book of Mitvot it does talk about the homosexual acts of men and men being the ones that would result in stoning to death. With no share of the world to come. Female to female is not in the same category of punishment.
It is equally as vile. But it is one thing for us to say so and another of what is written down in the actual law.
I'm going by what Chaim says about Torah and lesbian sodomy. I don't know the halacha myself but I trust Chaim's grasp of it. Also I do believe that "man" and "men" are used to mean all humankind in the Bible, are they not?
Also, please remember I am a Christian and not a Jew, and my religion definitely condemns both equally. So, I do see male and female sodomy as equally vile.
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Tag: Chaim disagrees with you. He very clearly states that lesbian sodomitic perversion is forbidden by Torah because it is one of the abominations of Egypt. I can't think of many things on planet earth that are sicker than women lying with each other and neither can Hashem.
Are you sure? Ask him. It is definitely not something good. And Jewish females are given
Malchut (lashes). BUT it is not something that is technically forbidden for non-Jewish females (again according to the Torah). The part where it says not to follow the ways of Egypt is telling Jewish women not do engage in these things and not that it is not allowed for gentile females. Again this is in accordance to the Misswoth Bnai Noah. I'm not promoting it, I am just saying that a government (and if that government is run by the Torah or a Noahide government) technically cannot stop them nor punish them.
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I'm going by what Chaim says about Torah and lesbian sodomy. I don't know the halacha myself but I trust Chaim's grasp of it. Also I do believe that "man" and "men" are used to mean all humankind in the Bible, are they not?
Also, please remember I am a Christian and not a Jew, and my religion definitely condemns both equally. So, I do see male and female sodomy as equally vile.
You got a point there. I understand that in your doctrine, male to male and female to female would be the same act. In the end, we can all agree it is completely vile. Female to female acts will surely be strongly punished by Hashem.
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Are you sure? Ask him. It is definitely not something good. And Jewish females are given
Malchut (lashes). BUT it is not something that is technically forbidden for non-Jewish females (again according to the Torah). The part where it says not to follow the ways of Egypt is telling Jewish women not do engage in these things and not that it is not allowed for gentile females. Again this is in accordance to the Misswoth Bnai Noah. I'm not promoting it, I am just saying that a government (and if that government is run by the Torah or a Noahide government) technically cannot stop them nor punish them.
That's not true; the 7NLs apply to all mankind and one of them is sexual morality. Thus there is no difference between halacha on sodomy and universal commandments for human behavior on planet earth. But ask Chaim for yourself.
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That's not true; the 7NLs apply to all mankind and one of them is sexual morality. Thus there is no difference between halacha on sodomy and universal commandments for human behavior on planet earth. But ask Chaim for yourself.
Their are different things included in sexual morality. Non-Jewish lesbianism is not included.
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Their are different things included in sexual morality. Non-Jewish lesbianism is not included.
The NL on sexual morality includes homosexuality, adultery, and incest. You really should ask Chaim and Shlomo; they are the experts.
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The NL on sexual morality includes homosexuality, adultery, and incest. You really should ask Chaim and Shlomo; they are the experts.
Homosexuality meaning male and male. Adultery- Yes. Incest- Yes (the various things). Also another example perhaps is a gentile (male) marrying one's aunt. (which is forbidden for Jews). I bring this because before the Torah was given it was allowed and we see Moshe's father married to his aunt. After the Torah was given on Mt. Sinai it became forbidden for all Jews, soo I take it, it is technically allowed for non-Jews (as we see even the Israelites before they had the status as "Jews" or what you want to call it did sometimes marry this way).
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Homosexuality meaning male and male. Adultery- Yes. Incest- Yes (the various things). Also another example perhaps is a gentile (male) marrying one's aunt. (which is forbidden for Jews). I bring this because before the Torah was given it was allowed and we see Moshe's father married to his aunt. After the Torah was given on Mt. Sinai it became forbidden for all Jews, soo I take it, it is technically allowed for non-Jews (as we see even the Israelites before they had the status as "Jews" or what you want to call it did sometimes marry this way).
Like I have said Chaim disagrees. You should ask him.
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Technically gentiles can do whatever if they don't accept the Noahide Laws. But once they accept them, should they commit an act against them it would result in capital punishment. Or am I wrong?
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Oh by the way, back to the topic.... I HATE the "rap" jingle. I heard it and felt it was dull and sad.
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First, I would not use the term "subhuman" to describe Ben Ari and Marzel even though they have done some pretty terrible things to me personally. I don't like them and I oppose their political party, but I do not want to preach hatred against them.
Ron disagrees with me on this which should not surprise our members who know that Ron always takes a much tougher line on these issues than I do.
I will not tolerate insulting our members here. If personal insults are posted here, I will remove them. People can disagree and argue in a civilized manner without personal attacks.
Lesbianism is clearly forbidden as one of the acts that were committed in Egypt and in Canaan. We are commanded not to do as the Egyptians and the Canaanites did. Chazal (the Talmudic sages) compare lesbianism to prostitution.
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And you (muman, lisa, "tag mechir" alek, etc) have the gal to talk to me about using "Nazi" terms against someone who collaborates with Nazis? What do you know about the Holocaust? you have German friends. You were all friends with a German-Polish Nazi (Steven Weigang) and a Hungarian Nazi (Peter Kovacs). My grandparents lost half of their families during the Nazi invasion to the USSR. You sit in Brooklyn or in California and talk about Ben Ari whose crimes (collaboration with the black muslims, milking Rabin's corpse and partying with Meretz, etc) don't effect you. The untermenschen apes he loves so much didn't try to kill your families in the past few days, only 3 Israelis. Rabin didn't wipe 2,000 Americans of the face of the earth, he did that to Israeli Jews. Meretz don't demand the elimination of Manhattan Beach but of Judea and Samaria. It's like an Israeli will come here rioting about the way you call Jane Fonda or Michael Bloomberg
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(From Wiki)
The traditional viewpoint is that the Torah mentions homosexuality twice in the book of Leviticus (JPS):
וְאֶת-זָכָר—לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה: תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.
Lev.18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination."
וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה—תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.
Lev.20:13 "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Lesbian sexual activity
Although there is no direct textual prohibition of homosexual acts between women (lesbianism) anywhere in the Torah, such behavior is widely viewed as unacceptable by most rabbis. It is based on a Drash interpretation of the Biblical verse "Do not follow the ways of Egypt where you once lived, nor of Canaan, where I will be bringing you. Do not follow any of their customs." (Leviticus 18:3).
A midrash, Sifra Aharei Mot 8:8–9, states that this refers to sexual customs, and that one of those customs was the marriage of women to each other, as well as a man to a woman and to her daughter. Maimonides, in his Mishneh Torah, summarizes the matter as follows:[1]
For women to be mesollelot with one another is forbidden, as this is the practice of Egypt, which we were warned against: "Like the practice of the land of Egypt . . . you shall not do" (Leviticus 18:3). The Sages said [in the midrash of Sifra Aharei Mot 8:8–9], "What did they do? A man married a man, and a woman married a woman, and a woman married two men." Even though this practice is forbidden, one is not lashed [as for a Torah prohibition] on account of it, since there is no specific prohibition against it, and there is no real intercourse. Therefore, [one who does this] is not forbidden to the priesthood because of harlotry, and a woman is not prohibited to her husband by this, since it is not harlotry. But it is appropriate to administer to them lashings of rebellion [i.e., those given for violation of rabbinic prohibitions], since they did something forbidden. And a man should be strict with his wife in this matter, and should prevent women known to do this from coming to her or from her going to them.
"Rabbi Huna said in the name of Rabbi Joseph, 'The generation of the Flood was not wiped out until they wrote marriage documents for the union of a man to a male or to an animal.'"[2]
Another important reference is found in the Babylonian Talmud:
"'Ula said: Non-Jews [litt. Bnei Noach, the progeny of Noah] accepted upon themselves thirty mitzvot [divinely ordered laws] but they only abide by three of them: the first one is that they do not write marriage documents for male couples, the second one is that they don't sell dead [human] meat by the pound in stores and the third one is that they respect the Torah.'" [3]
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And you (muman, lisa, "tag mechir" alek, etc) have the gal to talk to me about using "Nazi" terms against someone who collaborates with Nazis? What do you know about the Holocaust? you have German friends. You were all friends with a German-Polish Nazi (Steven Weigang) and with a Hungarian Nazi (Peter Kovacs). My grandparents lost half of their families during the Nazi invasion to the USSR. You sit in Brooklyn or in California and talk about Ben Ari whose crimes (collaboration with the black muslims, milking Rabin's corpse and partying with Meretz, etc) don't effect you. The untermenschen apes he loves so much didn't try to kill your families in the past few days, only 3 Israelis. Rabin didn't wipe 2,000 Americans of the face of the earth, he did that to Israeli Jews. Meretz don't demand the elimination of Manhattan Beach but of Judea and Samaria. It's like an Israeli will come here rioting about the way you call Jane Fonda or Michael Bloomberg
Well there is at least one Californian on this forum that has no respect for MBA...
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Ron, I don't have German friends. I can't stand to listen to German either. I understand the pain you must feel but please do not accuse me of loving nazis either. I don't know any Hungarian Nazis either, I don't know that Peter person you mentioned. I know one Rabbi whose parents were Hungarian Jews who survived the Holocaust. They were fortunate to escape all of that.
Please do not confuse my dislike of insults (of whores and sluts) as me being friends with germans and defending nazis.
My fiance is a religious Jew who fled the Ukraine with his family, he knows the persecution the Russians committed against all Jews. Anti-semitism affects everyone even if we live in CA or Brooklyn.
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I would also like to point that I don't know Michael Ben Ari either. Whatever good or bad he has done.
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Ron, I don't have German friends. I can't stand to listen to German either. I understand the pain you must feel but please do not accuse me of loving nazis either. I don't know any Hungarian Nazis either, I don't know that Peter person you mentioned. I know one Rabbi whose parents were Hungarian Jews who survived the Holocaust. They were fortunate to escape all of that.
Please do not confuse my dislike of insults (of whores and sluts) as me being friends with germans and defending nazis.
My fiance is a religious Jew who fled the Ukraine with his family, he knows the persecution the Russians committed against all Jews. Anti-semitism affects everyone even if we live in CA or Brooklyn.
I simply believe that Portman and Kunis are also anti-Semites. They are Jewish anti-Semites. They hate Judaism and promote sodomite sickness and perversion all over the world and in Israel and they are unfortunately very popular with stupid youths all over, both Jew and Gentile.
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What? I don't know anyone who is german. No one Hungarian either. What are you talking about? I do not know.
Nor do I believe what you are saying. What I wonder is do you actually believe that Ben Ari is collaborating with blacks for example? I seriously doubt that. and don't try showing a video where he sends blacks to north Tel-Aviv. It was precisely to get the sudanese out of Israel by [censored] the rich north Tel-avivians off.
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I simply believe that Portman and Kunis are also anti-Semites. They are Jewish anti-Semites. They hate Judaism and promote sodomite sickness and perversion all over the world and in Israel and they are unfortunately very popular with stupid youths all over, both Jew and Gentile.
You could be correct in a way, YS. Have you ever heard of the term "erev rav". In every generation they come back, worse and worse then before.
We are put in this earth to correct our mistakes. Sometimes a beautiful woman is here on a test to put aside her beauty and follow the right path. But they become full of the love of materialistic, assimilation, perversion and immorality. Full of love of their own beauty. I am sad to say that Bar, Mila and Natalie are failing their mission. They want to act like gentile women, they want to look and act in shameful ways.
In any events, I agree with Tag here as well. Ok, so I am ignorant of MBA. I'm sorry for that! That does not make me a nazi-lover or whatever. I've already been called names here anyways. But I'm sure I can get over it :)
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Lo0o0o0o0ol you don't believe me? wallak, you insulted me.
http://www.mako.co.il/weekend-articles/Article-9dd579f29280a31006.htm
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You could be correct in a way, YS. Have you ever heard of the term "erev rav". In every generation they come back, worse and worse then before.
We are put in this earth to correct our mistakes. Sometimes a beautiful woman is here on a test to put aside her beauty and follow the right path. But they become full of the love of materialistic, assimilation, perversion and immorality. Full of love of their own beauty. I am sad to say that Bar, Mila and Natalie are failing their mission. They want to act like gentile women, they want to look and act in shameful ways.
In any events, I agree with Tag here as well. Ok, so I am ignorant of MBA. I'm sorry for that! That does not make me a nazi-lover or whatever. I've already been called names here anyways. But I'm sure I can get over it :)
I never, ever said you are a Nazi lover!
I do believe though that Portman, Kunis, and Silverman are akin to Nazis. They are moral and spiritual Nazis that pose a grave threat to the souls of impressionable Jewish and Gentile youths.
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Lo0o0o0o0ol you don't believe me? wallak, you insulted me.
http://www.mako.co.il/weekend-articles/Article-9dd579f29280a31006.htm
I skimmed. Are you referring to this?
אומרים עליך "גזען", "פשיסט", "שונא זרים". "אני שונא זרים? אני אוהב את העם שלי, אני לא שונא אף אחד. אני חושב שהם צריכים להיות במולדת שלהם, ושכל הסיפור הזה הוא סילוף ושקר. כשבא מישהו ואומר שהוא מוכן לקלוט את הזרים, כמה זרים הוא מוכן לקבל? איפה הגבול? אף אחד לא אומר".
It is like Rav Kahane saying that he does not hate Arabs, but loves Jews. Soo what?
My Hebrew is not soo well, you would have to bring me proof with English writing. But if that is it and I understood correctly he is saying that he doesn't hate the black Sudanese but he loves Jews and is looking for the interests of Jews. What is your point?
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I never, ever said you are a Nazi lover!
I do believe though that Portman, Kunis, and Silverman are akin to Nazis. They are moral and spiritual Nazis that pose a grave threat to the souls of impressionable Jewish and Gentile youths.
Oh no, I didn't mean that you said I was a nazi lover. Someone else was saying that I have nazi friends, which I do NOT. Sorry for the confusion.
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YS, I agree with you in that lesbian acts are immoral. And they should be as bad as male acts etc...
But the Torah does make it clear what is a capital offense and what is not. In the Book of Mitzvot it does talk about the homosexual acts of men and men being the ones that would result in stoning to death. With no share of the world to come. Female to female is not in the same category of punishment.
It is equally as vile. But it is one thing for us to say it is "sodomy" and another of what is written down in the actual law.
I think female homosexuality is only punishable by lashes as a Rabbinic prohibition under don't act like the Egyptian and Canaanite Hamitic savages. As for the goyim, there is no prohibition for female homosexuals. While it may be sick and disgusting, it is not a violation of Noahide Laws (All of which carry the death penalty for breaking.).
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All bow to Rons abusive posts!!! Ooooooooo!
Who else gets away with disobeying Chaims wishes on the English board?
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All bow to Rons abusive posts!!! Ooooooooo!
Who else gets away with disobeying Chaims wishes on the English board?
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Muman, a lot of our members post things here that I disagree with all the time.
Can we please not start another unnecessary round of insults?
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And you (muman, lisa, "tag mechir" alek, etc) have the gal to talk to me about using "Nazi" terms against someone who collaborates with Nazis? What do you know about the Holocaust? you have German friends. You were all friends with a German-Polish Nazi (Steven Weigang) and a Hungarian Nazi (Peter Kovacs). My grandparents lost half of their families during the Nazi invasion to the USSR. You sit in Brooklyn or in California and talk about Ben Ari whose crimes (collaboration with the black muslims, milking Rabin's corpse and partying with Meretz, etc) don't effect you. The untermenschen apes he loves so much didn't try to kill your families in the past few days, only 3 Israelis. Rabin didn't wipe 2,000 Americans of the face of the earth, he did that to Israeli Jews. Meretz don't demand the elimination of Manhattan Beach but of Judea and Samaria. It's like an Israeli will come here rioting about the way you call Jane Fonda or Michael Bloomberg
Peter is also a Nazi???
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Muman, a lot of our members post things here that I disagree with all the time.
Can we please not start another unnecessary round of insults?
Im sorry Chaim...
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I think female homosexuality is only punishable by lashes as a Rabbinic prohibition under don't act like the Egyptian and Canaanite Hamitic savages. As for the goyim, there is no prohibition for female homosexuals. While it may be sick and disgusting, it is not a violation of Noahide Laws (All of which carry the death penalty for breaking.).
Chaim does not say this. He has said the 7NL covers homosexuality for all humans on planet earth.
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Chaim does not say this. He has said the 7NL covers homosexuality for all humans on planet earth.
There is NO DEATH PENALTY for female homosexuality, only for male on male. This is the umpteenth time we have had this discussion and if someone does a search on it they will bring up all the information I have found on the topic. The issue of female homosexuality being forbidden is due to the prohibition of doing things which the Egyptians did (immoral things) and covers many things... I believe that this is what Chaim has said so I think we all agree that while prohibited, it is less severe a crime because it doesn't bring the death penalty.
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The difference is between a Torah command and a Rabbinic command. While we must obey both Rabbinic and Torah commands some people think that Rabbinic commands are less binding..
http://www.yoatzot.org/question.php?id=9164
Lesbian relationship
Is it against the torah to have lesbian sex? It is understood that by males it is called an abomination due to waste of seed, but by women, this isn't the case. Is it allowed?
Dear questioner,
Thank you for your question.
Wasting seed is prohibited. However, the Torah's label of "abomination" is applied to the male homosexual act without specific reference to wasting seed (Vayikra 18:22).
Sexual relations between women are prohibited, at least on a rabbinic level. The prohibition is explicit in the Shulchan Aruch (Even HaEzer 20:2). Such relations are also mentioned in a negative context in the Talmud (Yevamot 76a).
Additionally, a steady lesbian relationship may be prohibited by the Torah under the prohibition of maaseh eretz Mitzrayim (Vayikra 18:3).
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960669/jewish/Chapter-Twenty-One.htm
Halacha 8
Lesbian relations are forbidden. This is "the conduct of Egypt" which we were warned against, as [Leviticus 18:3] states: "Do not follow the conduct of Egypt." Our Sages said:22 What would they do? A man would marry a man, a woman would marry a woman, and a woman would marry two men.
Although this conduct is forbidden,23 lashes are not given for it, for it is not a specific prohibition24 and there is no intercourse at all. Therefore such women are not forbidden to marry into the priesthood as zonot, nor does a woman become prohibited to her husband because of this,25 for this is not considered harlotry. It is, however, appropriate to give them stripes for rebellious conduct26 because they performed a transgression. A man should take precautions with his wife with regard to this matter and should prevent women who are known to engage in such practices from visiting her and her from visiting them.
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"stripes for rebellious conduct" would be lashes then? I agree with you Muman and based on the Torah and Rabbinical law.
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"stripes for rebellious conduct" would be lashes then? I agree with you Muman and based on the Torah and Rabbinical law.
Yea same thing.
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First, I would not use the term "subhuman" to describe Ben Ari and Marzel even though they have done some pretty terrible things to me personally. I don't like them and I oppose their political party, but I do not want to preach hatred against them.
Ron disagrees with me on this which should not surprise our members who know that Ron always takes a much tougher line on these issues than I do.
I will not tolerate insulting our members here. If personal insults are posted here, I will remove them. People can disagree and argue in a civilized manner without personal attacks.
Lesbianism is clearly forbidden as one of the acts that were committed in Egypt and in Canaan. We are commanded not to do as the Egyptians and the Canaanites did. Chazal (the Talmudic sages) compare lesbianism to prostitution.
dead wrong. lesbianism is not prohibited at all, it is mutar.
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actually the shulchan aruch does prohibit it, i did not know that. however, i believe l'maaseh we pasken that lesbianism is mutar, i could be wrong though.
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actually the shulchan aruch does prohibit it, i did not know that. however, i believe l'maaseh we pasken that lesbianism is mutar, i could be wrong though.
We don't pasken it is muttar. It is forbidden but to a lower degree then for the male act. Getting whipped (lashes) is still a serious punishment.
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Is the man on the cover of the book supposed to symbolize the German or the Subhuman? He sure looks like a German Nazi!
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Is the man on the cover of the book supposed to symbolize the German or the Subhuman? He sure looks like a German Nazi!
german nazis are subhuman.
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german nazis are subhuman.
No crap!
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So, let's remember, Michael Ben Phony is a fraud and a self-hating Jew.