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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dexter on July 09, 2007, 10:36:31 PM
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Do you think that JTF is an extreme right wing organization ?
What if someone says "you are crazy fanatics and right wing extremists", how will you respond ?
I think thet JTF isnt an extreme right wing organization because the nationalety isn't on of the main issues, we aren't racist and we dont hate any one because of their skin color/colour :o
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I think people would label JTF as an extreme right-wing political organization. I don't think that JTF's views are extreme but we are definitely right-wing and we would definitely be labeled as an extreme right-wing group by most people.
Extremism doesn't necessarily imply hating people based on race. There are lots of things that can constitute extremism.
For instance, wanting to liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza are considered to be extreme positions by the world community.
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JTF is a highly moderate, peace movement. For example: JTF advocate the humane relocation of brother Ishmael from Israel with a financial gratuity. If it was up to me, the arabs would get something else entirely.
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What's wrong with being extreme right wing ?
The Torah is extremely right wing.
But if you don't like to be labeled as a crazy right wing fanatic, just remind everyone that Chaim is JTF's leader and spokesman and he's a moderate and a civil rights leader.
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I think people would label JTF as an extreme right-wing political organization. I don't think that JTF's views are extreme but we are definitely right-wing and we would definitely be labeled as an extreme right-wing group by most people.
Extremism doesn't necessarily imply hating people based on race. There are lots of things that can constitute extremism.
For instance, wanting to liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza are considered to be extreme positions by the world community.
But thets a lie, the claim thet if someone want to liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza is considered to be extreme right winger isnt base upon any criterions of the "real" right wing extreames as the nazis and the fascist becuase thets thing as liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza etc' arnt based upon any hatred.
What's wrong with being extreme right wing ?
To be a right wing extreames = to be a racist .
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Nazis are LEFT WING extremists.
No....the communists are left wing extreamest.
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Newman is correct.
JTF is far too moderate on alot of issues, such as financially remunerating the stanky moooslimes squatting on Jewish land for leaving.
JTF extreme right wing ?
Not in my book.
At least not extreme enough for my tastes.
But we'll get there.
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I think people would label JTF as an extreme right-wing political organization. I don't think that JTF's views are extreme but we are definitely right-wing and we would definitely be labeled as an extreme right-wing group by most people.
Extremism doesn't necessarily imply hating people based on race. There are lots of things that can constitute extremism.
For instance, wanting to liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza are considered to be extreme positions by the world community.
But thets a lie, the claim thet if someone want to liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza is considered to be extreme right winger isnt base upon any criterions of the "real" right wing extreames as the nazis and the fascist becuase thets thing as liberate Judea, Samaria and Gaza isnt based upon any hatred.
What's wrong with being extreme right wing ?
To be a right wing extreames = to be a racist .
There is no such thing as what the "real" right-wing extremists are. There are many different brands of right-wing extremism out there, the JTF fits the bill. It also doesn't matter that the liberation of the land of Israel is not based from hatred, according to the world it's still a right-wing ideology. There is no hard and fast rule that says that to be a right-wing extremist you have to be racist. By the way, most people would label JTF as racist because we believe most blacks and Arab Muslims are evil. Try telling that to most people and they will say you are a racist. I'm not saying this is what I believe in, I'm just telling you how people perceive things. Let's face it, most people would perceive the JTF as being a right-wing extremist group. In Israel, Kahanism is seen as right-wing extremism by the Israeli government as it is seen by the United States government. Who says that there's anything wrong with being right-wing extremists anyways? There's nothing in the word "extreme" that implies anything negative it just means that we have an extreme or rare ideology. I think JTF's positions are sane, rational, normal and healthy, but if you're asking what I believe most people would label JTF, this is sadly the case.
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Nazis are National SOCIALISTS. Chaim has said many times that Nazism and Socialism are both extreme Left Wing ideologies. They both use total control, a Leftist thing.
SOCIALISM is an ECONOMIC regime, if someone is an left winger of right winger is based upont the nationality in the carrunt regime, Nazis make the nationality as the MAIN issue of the party, while the communists cancelling ALL nationality issue. .
There is no such thing as what the "real" right-wing extremists are. There are many different brands of right-wing extremism out there, the JTF fits the bill. It also doesn't matter that the liberation of the land of Israel is not based from hatred, according to the world it's still a right-wing ideology. There is no hard and fast rule that says that to be a right-wing extremist you have to be racist. By the way, most people would label JTF as racist because we believe most blacks and Arab Muslims are evil. Try telling that to most people and they will say you are a racist. I'm not saying this is what I believe in, I'm just telling you how people perceive things. Let's face it, most people would perceive the JTF as being a right-wing extremist group. In Israel, Kahanism is seen as right-wing extremism by the Israeli government as it is seen by the United States government. Who says that there's anything wrong with being right-wing extremists anyways? There's nothing in the word "extreme" that implies anything negative it just means that we have an extreme or rare ideology.
In israel, as you are more jewish "extreamest" then people hate you and afraid of you, thats why it is pretty hard to make kahanism a major political view in israel.
To be an RIGHT wing EXTREAMEST make our goal harder.
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Nazis are National SOCIALISTS. Chaim has said many times that Nazism and Socialism are both extreme Left Wing ideologies. They both use total control, a Leftist thing.
SOCIALISM is an ECONOMIC regime, if someone is an left winger of right winger is based upont the nationality in the carrunt regime, Nazis make the nationality as the MAIN issue of the party, while the communists cancelling ALL nationality issue. .
This is a good point Dexter. I believe that Nazism combined elements of extreme left and extreme right ideologies.
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We're not only extremely right, we're also extremely correct.
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We're not only extremely right, we're also extremely correct.
Thats right (not wing) .
And belive me whene im talking about cummonist drek, im reading The Communist Manifesto wich is marx's book wich is the base to cummonism.
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I for one am proud to be a right-wing extremist. If we are against the overwhelming majority of leftist and insane garbage political beliefs, that makes us default extremists. Of course we should never refer to ourselves as extremists to other people. We don't care about attracting the people who will come here and say we're extremists. We care about attracting the people who will come here and say that we're sane and then not give a darn if it's called extremism or not.
Of course you will never go around to people saying that the JTF is an extremist group. So what are you worried about? Either people will be JTF people or they will be non-JTF people. JTF is what it is, nothing more and nothing less.
Also we at JTF frankly DON'T CARE what people label us as because we stand by the convictions of our beliefs and we know that we are fighting for a just cause. People can slander us as much as they want but it doesn't make one iota of a difference to us because we stand strong and firm.
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Dexter, try not to take this as an insult.
Are you dyslexic, unable to spell, unable to type, or a combination of all three ?
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Shine & Rise, good morning (6:11 AM) ;D
Anyway, it dosnt metter what other people think, what metter is what do we think on JTF, do you think its an extream right wing organization ? fine by me, but why ? by what criterions ?
Do wee have a CLEAR (CLEAR!) ideology and/or a platform thet by this you can say thet we are extreamest ?
Muck DeFuslims :
I am not american and i dont know english very well .
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Dexter, try not to take this as an insult.
Are you dyslexic, unable to spell, unable to type, or a combination of all three ?
English is NOT Dexter's first language. And he's 13 years old.
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As I said Dexter, it wasn't meant as an insult.
Was just wondering why there were so many spelling errors.
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Shine & Rise, good morning (6:11 AM) ;D
Anyway, it dosnt metter what other people think, what metter is what do we think on JTF, do you think its a right wing organization ? fine by me, but why ? by what criterions ?
Do wee have a CLEAR (CLEAR!) ideology and/or a platform thet by this you can say thet we are extreamest ?
Muck DeFuslims :
I am not american and i dont know english very good .
Boker Tov Dexter ;)
Please don't insult Dexter, Muck DeFuslims.
By what criteria can JTF be considered to be a right-wing organization. Pretty much every one of JTF's beliefs is a right wing belief. And yes, there is a clear ideology. Torah Judaism or Christianity, anti-immigration, anti-Muslim immigration, anti-multiculturalism, anti-affirmative action, anti-Islam, anti-American establishment, anti-Israeli establishment, anti-abortion, pro-gun, pro-war against Iran. I could go on and on and on and on. Those are all right wing positions. Most people would consider them to be extremist positions. Is there anything wrong with that? Do we really care what the people who would label JTF as an extremist group have to say anyways? Those are the people we are fighting against.
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I bet anything that the enemies of JTF will label it "extreme right" and call it a "hate group." But these are politically correct extremists who use negative labels to stifle legitimate debate.
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Shine & Rise, good morning (6:11 AM) ;D
Anyway, it dosnt metter what other people think, what metter is what do we think on JTF, do you think its a right wing organization ? fine by me, but why ? by what criterions ?
Do wee have a CLEAR (CLEAR!) ideology and/or a platform thet by this you can say thet we are extreamest ?
Muck DeFuslims :
I am not american and i dont know english very good .
Boker Tov Dexter ;)
Please don't insult Dexter, Muck DeFuslims.
By what criteria can JTF be considered to be a right-wing organization. Pretty much every one of JTF's beliefs is a right wing belief. And yes, there is a clear ideology. Torah Judaism or Christianity, anti-immigration, anti-Muslim immigration, anti-multiculturalism, anti-affirmative action, anti-Islam, anti-American establishment, anti-Israeli establishment, anti-abortion, pro-gun, pro-war against Iran. I could go on and on and on and on. Those are all right wing positions. Most people would consider them to be extremist positions. Is there anything wrong with that? Do we really care what the people who would label JTF as an extremist group have to say anyways? Those are the people we are fighting against.
The torah is to long for a clear ideology and the torah have endless meanings.
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We are not extreme, Just true conservatives.
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Right-Left is confusing because people use different vectors.
There are at least 3 ways of understanding of the right-left dichotomy (maybe more).
Political:
Left - pacifist, internationalist, open borders, weak military, weak central government, affirmative action, participatory democracy
Right - pro-war, patriotic, isolationist, restricted immigration, strong military and central government, no preferential politics for minorities, representative democracy
Economic:
Left - government regulation regarding monopolies, egalitarian income distribution, equal access to medicine and education
Right - no government interference, total free market
Values:
Left - progressive values, equal rights, generally anti-family and pro-sexual-liberation, multiculturalism, anti-gun, pro-criminals and pro-minorities, atheist
Right - conservative values, pro-family, traditional values, pro-gun, pro-native/Western culture, tough on crime, religious.
This is very approximate and could be refined/corrected. But you can see some difficulties. A person would not necessarily fall into the same side for all three categories. For example, as far as the political category goes, I am strongly on the right. As far as the values category, I am pretty strongly on the right. But not entirely, because, as a professional and educated woman, I don't support the traditional division of gender roles. As for the economic category, I am somewhere in the middle, because, as a religious person, I am very concerned about preserving economic justice and equal opportunities and don't see unrestricted free market as a kind of system that would support meritocracy. I see a great danger of corruption in a 100% libertarian economic system.
Here is another example. Environment. Today it is considered a left-wing issue. It doesn't make sense. Environmental politics is about "conservation" - it is a quintessential "conservative" issue. Why is it on the liberal/progressive agenda? Because of the confusion between the 2nd and the 3rd category. Big business does not care to preserve the environment. This is why conservatives who automatically adopt the right-wing agenda on all 3 fronts throw out the environmental issue, and liberals pick it up by default.
This is why these labels are not helpful and one has to specify. There is no one-to-one correspondence between a religious conservative and a libertarian. Often the two are incompatible.
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Do you think that JTF is an extreme right wing organization ?
What if someone says "you are crazy fanatics and right wing extremists", how will you respond ?
I think thet JTF isnt an extreme right wing organization because the nationalety isn't on of the main issues, we aren't racist and we dont hate any one because of their skin color/colour :o
JTF is a true political movement on its own which is right wing relative to what exists in a majority of democracies, such as the US. Within JTF there are extreme right wingists and extreme left wingists. I would say that the extreme left wing JTFers are on a border line of JTF and what we might consider a right winged republican in the US.
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JTF is a highly moderate, peace movement. For example: JTF advocate the humane relocation of brother Ishmael from Israel with a financial gratuity. If it was up to me, the arabs would get something else entirely.
Right wing extremists, eh? JTF like Kahane himself is very moderate. For an example of what an off-the-dial right wing extremist is, I guess I should expand on my earlier post.
What would my sollution to the arab question be?
Vlad the Impaler is said to have impaled 20,000 muzzie turks on wooden stakes. I would make a vast improvement on his achievements.
I would impale every adult male muslim arab on 76mm rockets at an angle of about 20 degrees and lauch them into the Med', where IDF Navy anti-aircraft gunners would then get in some great fast-moving-target practice. That's an extreme right wing position.
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JTF is a highly moderate, peace movement. For example: JTF advocate the humane relocation of brother Ishmael from Israel with a financial gratuity. If it was up to me, the arabs would get something else entirely.
Right wing extremists, eh? JTF like Kahane himself is very moderate. For an example of what an off-the-dial right wing extremist is, I guess I should expand on my earlier post.
What would my sollution to the arab question be?
Vlad the Impaler is said to have impaled 20,000 muzzie turks on wooden stakes. I would make a vast improvement on his achievements.
I would impale every adult male muslim arab on 76mm rockets at an angle of about 20 degrees and lauch them into the Med', where IDF Navy anti-aircraft gunners would then get in some great fast-moving-target practice. That's an extreme right wing position.
Yes I would agree with you but with the caveat that an adult means anyone over the age of ten.
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No.
People think that NAFTA, CAFTA, World Trade Organization and other global organizations are right-wing. Bill Clinton was perceived as a "triangulist" when he signed NAFTA.
So JTF can consider some of the policies it advocates to be more centerist, including the opposition of the above organizations.
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We rock muslims suck.....End of story. :)
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JTF is a highly moderate, peace movement. For example: JTF advocate the humane relocation of brother Ishmael from Israel with a financial gratuity. If it was up to me, the arabs would get something else entirely.
Right wing extremists, eh? JTF like Kahane himself is very moderate. For an example of what an off-the-dial right wing extremist is, I guess I should expand on my earlier post.
What would my sollution to the arab question be?
Vlad the Impaler is said to have impaled 20,000 muzzie turks on wooden stakes. I would make a vast improvement on his achievements.
I would impale every adult male muslim arab on 76mm rockets at an angle of about 20 degrees and lauch them into the Med', where IDF Navy anti-aircraft gunners would then get in some great fast-moving-target practice. That's an extreme right wing position.
Yes I would agree with you but with the caveat that an adult means anyone over the age of ten.
I agree. An arab muslim is already an accomplished, professional mass-murderer by his 10th bithday.
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JTF may be seen as extreme by the far left, but I think it has the potential to become mainstream. I think it desires to be mainstream. That probably scares them more than anything else.
The same thing cannot be said about many others who are labeled "extremist."
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we only appear to be extreme right because things today are mercilessly extremely to the left...
JTF is a very legitamate right winged organization.
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Do you think that JTF is an extreme right wing organization ?
What if someone says "you are crazy fanatics and right wing extremists", how will you respond ?
I think thet JTF isnt an extreme right wing organization because the nationalety isn't on of the main issues, we aren't racist and we dont hate any one because of their skin color/colour :o
You should respond in gratitude and thankfulness in that they can actually tell the difference between "Right" and "Left". Fcuk them all anyway. If having pride in ones heritage, culture, nation and being is a problem than they are mentally duranged or Communists..... that should question their own beliefs. Say "thank you" and keep walking.. or perhaps suggest that they should visit and learn something sometime... ;)
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JTF may be seen as extreme by the far left, but I think it has the potential to become mainstream. I think it desires to be mainstream. That probably scares them more than anything else.
The same thing cannot be said about many others who are labeled "extremist."
JTF's positions are consistent and true conservatives would like them. JTF isn't a Republican bot that will support a position just because a Republican is in favor of it. I think this gives JTF good credibility. Sort of like Lou Dobbs, who doesn't hesitate to criticize politicians just because the politician belongs to a specific political party.
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Right wing yes; Extreme ??? NO!!! Couse we're moderated by love of G-d and his scriptures; We don't wan to see Mulsims dead; We only refuse to surrender our self on Mahomet's mercy; the atheist far-left or far-right are far more extreme couse they beilive only in human (Uber race or human rights), and they hate everything else. Besides everything is so spined to left this days that even moderate republicans from fiftties like Eisenhower woud be branded as extremists today. ::)
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[Self-hating Long Island accent] But muy refoarmed rabbi sez we uh!!
I think we should stop focusing on these labels and spectrums. If we look at the most vocal groups that call us extremists, we will find that these same people would bend-over backwards for a homosexual to get hitched or a woman to slay her child. And most ordinary people are just brainwashed by these do-nothing pieces of garbage. It's an uphill battle, and I'm surprised that Dexter would even care about this.
I think it's a good way to put the issue in perspective.
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As Chaim likes to say, "We're moderates and civil rights leaders."
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"Civil Rights", "Human Rights" all a sham anyway. The product of leninism in my opinion. So called "human rights" differ from culture to culture and faith to faith. In india a cow is more sacred than humans, in China, Africa or the Islamic World human life is siht. Just another globalist ineptitude to expand Socialism via UN or whatever onto other cultures and other peoples.... In Canada it seems like every other deprave culture, religion and society within our "multiculturalism" is afforded more "human/civil rights" than Ol-Whitey/Christian/Jew especially within politics, education and legal institutions. What "progressiveness"...
Similar to the Arabs having more so called "Human/Civil" rights than the Jews in Israel no?
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"Civil Rights", "Human Rights" all a sham anyway. The product of leninism in my opinion. So called "human rights" differ from culture to culture and faith to faith. In india a cow is more sacred than humans, in China, Africa or the Islamic World human life is siht. Just another globalist ineptitude to expand Socialism via UN or whatever onto other cultures and other peoples.... In Canada it seems like every other deprave culture, religion and society within our "multiculturalism" is afforded more "human/civil rights" than Ol-Whitey/Christian/Jew especially within politics, education and legal institutions. What "progressiveness"...
Similar to the Arabs having more so called "Human/Civil" rights than the Jews in Israel no?
Augusto Pinochet said it best: "Human rights is an invention of the Marxists."
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[Self-hating Long Island accent] But muy refoarmed rabbi sez we uh!!
I think we should stop focusing on these labels and spectrums. If we look at the most vocal groups that call us extremists, we will find that these same people would bend-over backwards for a homosexual to get hitched or a woman to slay her child. And most ordinary people are just brainwashed by these do-nothing pieces of garbage. It's an uphill battle, and I'm surprised that Dexter would even care about this.
I don't know about bending over backwards but most deffinately forward..... :D
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Let's see, I want people to be stopped before Killing the familes of Jews , Gentiles and whoever else in the name of allah. Ok then I'm a "Right winged extremeist" then.
Jeff
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Augusto Pinochet said it best: "Human rights is an invention of the Marxists." VERY GOOD. G-d bless Pinochet. I wish we had a Jewish one to take over Israel just for a few years. His track record was fabulous... Highly twisted by the Stalinists.. Good post...