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המפלגה של הרב אמנון יצחק
אותיות המפלגה הם - פז
ע"פ סקר מכון סקרים "יוסי שריד",המפלגה מקבלת לפחות ומינימום 6 מנדטים! ועוד מצפים ל 2 ספרות (יותר מ10 מנדטים) למפלגה.
ששאלו מכון סקרים,מדוע לא מזכירים את מפלגת כח להשפיע בסקר,נענו "המפלגה לא כתובה במחשב".
זאת אומרת מפלגות שלא עוברות את אחוז החסימה או את ה100 קולות מזכירים, ורק את מפלגת כח להשפיע שיש לה 6 מנדטים מינימום לא רוצים להזכיר.
ע"פ דיווחים,ערוץ 22 נתנו הוראה למכון סקרים "דחף" להעלים את המפלגה,כדי שהציבור לא ידע שיש מפלגה כזאת.
מצע המפלגה:
-לחם בשקל.
-ביטוח רפואי לכל המשפחה ב 20 ש"ח לחודש כולל ניתוחים,השתלות וסל תרופות מלא.
-אוניברסיטה שנה ראשונה חינם בלי מבחן!
-נסיעה בכבישים תקינים עד 140 קמ"ש.
-לימודי גמרא בבתי הספר לפיתוח המוח (50 מיליון דרום קוריאנים לומדים גמרא,בירדן לומדים גמרא)
-הורדת המעמ ממוצרי היסוד.
-לימוד ערכים וכיבוד הורים בבתי הספר.
-קרקעות הקיבוצים יוחזרו לעם!
-להעלות מאות אלפי יהודים לארץ בכמה הרצאות בודדות ברחבי העולם,ולשכן אותם באדמות הקיבוצים! ולעשות להם שכונות כמו שהם רגילים ובאורח חייהם שהם רגילים בקהילות.
ועוד..את המצע תוכלו למצוא בערוץ שלי! מומלץ מאוד להירשם ולהתעדכן!
(Translate not accurate, based on Google translate, I see some mistakes maybe later make some corrections).
Party letters are - Jade
According to surveys Institute Survey "Yossi Sarid," the party gets at least a minimum of six seats!, And even look forward to two digits (more than 10 seats) Party.
Institute surveys asked, why not mention the party of power to influence the survey, were "the party is not written on."
This means that political parties are the threshold or the 100 votes recall, only the power to influence party has six seats Minimum do not want to mention.
According to reports, channel 22 gave an order to institute surveys "pushed" to hide the party, so that the public did not know that such a party.
Party platform:
- Bread shekel.
- Medical insurance for the whole family at 20 per month including surgery, transplants and a basket full of drugs.
- Free first year university without a test!
- Normal road traveling up to 140 mph.
- Talmud studies brain development schools (50 million South Koreans learn Talmud, Jordan learn Gemara)
- Downloading from the basic products.
- Teach values and respect for parents in schools.
- Land Kibbutzim be returned to the people!
- To raise hundreds of thousands of Jews to Israel several individual lectures around the world and putting them on the land of kibbutzim! Neighborhoods and make them like they used to and the way of life they are accustomed communities.
Etc. .. the substrate can be found on my channel! It is highly recommended to register and keep up to date!
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Is this a Marxist party or what?
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he hates Ashkenazim (35:39):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bydB3TH2VWI
says Jews settling in Judea and Samaria is a provocation against the Arabs and that all of the settlements should be exterminated if the Arabs "show they are serious with the peace process":
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151576484044616&set=a.258031414615.184793.251543344615&type=1&relevant_count=1
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Is this a Marxist party or what?
Literally. Their most famous slogan is "bread for one shekel only"
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Ron I do not believe you. I know your have zero credibility at this point.
-He does not hate "Askenasim". He was talking about a sad part of history where (some) Askeansim used to call him and other Sefardim "Shwartza swartza" meaning "[censored]".
His Rabbi is Askenasi (Litvak Askenaz especially). Many of his followers and supporters not just in words but in monetary ( $) support are Askenasim.
Anyway I am not promoting this party, just sharing what the platform is because Chaim talked about it as well.
About "bread for a shekel" I think it will not work out but he is definitely concerned about the great poverty in the communities that exist today. Bread is just regular food not something fancy basically its for people in Israel not to go hungry (that is his concerns). Also take into account that their are situations where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting much poorer and poorer especially with inflation (which to some consider is a good thing) while those in poverty get left behind and can't afford basic things. Also a lot of waste in things like fruits and bread as well where produce is destroyed just to keep the prices inflated (something Chazal greatly rebuke and go against adamantly in the Talmudh) but in today's time (back then as well) it is called "making business".
I like their initiative to teach Talmudh in schools and values and respect for parents. Also taking land away from the Kibbutzim that they took from the people.
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I don't know this party but the platform that was included in the first post (translated or not) looked very suspicious to me. If this party claims to be "right wing", that's all I need to know about it. Hayamin is the only right-wing movement in Israel.
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Ron I do not believe you. I know your have zero credibility at this point.
-He does not hate "Askenasim". He was talking about a sad part of history where (some) Askeansim used to call him and other Sefardim "Shwartza swartza" meaning "[censored]".
His Rabbi is Askenasi (Litvak Askenaz especially). Many of his followers and supporters not just in words but in monetary ( $) support are Askenasim.
Anyway I am not promoting this party, just sharing what the platform is because Chaim talked about it as well.
About "bread for a shekel" I think it will not work out but he is definitely concerned about the great poverty in the communities that exist today. Bread is just regular food not something fancy basically its for people in Israel not to go hungry (that is his concerns). Also take into account that their are situations where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting much poorer and poorer especially with inflation (which to some consider is a good thing) while those in poverty get left behind and can't afford basic things. Also a lot of waste in things like fruits and bread as well where produce is destroyed just to keep the prices inflated (something Chazal greatly rebuke and go against adamantly in the Talmudh) but in today's time (back then as well) it is called "making business".
I like their initiative to teach Talmudh in schools and values and respect for parents. Also taking land away from the Kibbutzim that they took from the people.
Deleted - Vulgar nasty comments like that one are totally uncalled for.
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Deleted it, was quoting ronny).
You seem obsessed with race and male body parts.
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Ron Refua Sheleima!!!!!
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Tag, if you are concerned about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in Israel, why do you support Bennett? He is an example of all that is wrong with Israel--a greedy big-shot oligarch who hides behind his kippah. Since you frequently state that I shouldn't comment on these matters as a non-Jew and compare it to you hypothetically criticizing Christian church matters, tell me--how is NB any diffferent at all from "pastors" and televangelists like Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, or Rick Warren?
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Tag, if you are concerned about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in Israel, why do you support Bennett? He is an example of all that is wrong with Israel--a greedy big-shot oligarch who hides behind his kippah. Since you frequently state that I shouldn't comment on these matters as a non-Jew and compare it to you hypothetically criticizing Christian church matters, tell me--how is NB any diffferent at all from "pastors" and televangelists like Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, or Rick Warren?
I don't know nor do I care about the pastors you are talking about. I never said I supported or support Bennett, I am saying that your comments are over the top and wayy out of line.
What makes him greedy etc. etc. that you stated. Dude chill out, do you support Jews or not? I'll be honest with you most of the time I see you basing Jews and that is all. Then you state how you support Chaim and we are to make it all ookay? You bash Bennett, bash Rabbis, bash the Jewish people as a whole, bash our values etc. Do us a favor either do not "support" us or support us from far away. We do not need people stirring things within our people we already have enough problems. Didn't Chaim once make a video or show where he said and explained the "I will Bless thee who bless you, and those who curse you I will curse" where Chaim said that those who come to go against Jews even if they think they have valid points they still are cursed or something like that. That it is not the job of gentiles to get involved in these things. I am trying to tell you nicely to just stay out of our business we will take care of it. If you want to Bless Israel and work for the Jews benefit try spreading to your fellow Christians of why they should support Israel etc (I personally do not care much, but if you want to keep bussy and for your own good) then spend your energy doing that instead of commentating how much everyone is bad.
By the way if you support Chaim as well your over the top comments certainly do the movement a big disservice.
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So, I ask you a legitimate question and your response is a questioning of all of my motives? That makes a lot of sense to me...
I belong to JTF because JTF speaks the truth and doesn't try to pretend that things are better than they are. The truth is that both Israel and the United States are run by phony, corrupt political whores who will lie, backstab, and generally do whatever it takes to get elected, stay in power, and enrich themselves. If men like Bennett were the answer, we wouldn't have the problems we do today because Israel has already had lots of Bennetts before now--Pipi, Lieberman, Sharansky, Begin, et cetera et cetera et cetera. Obviously those individuals have all failed and the writing is on the wall for Bennett's sincerity and values as well.
You can pretend that Shas isn't corrupt, that Bennett is a real voice for change, or whatever else you want but once more, I go by what Chaim is teaching us about Israel, not a load of false optimism. False optimism is what got the Muslim Nazi Barack Hussein Obama elected twice and it is what is pushing the lemmings of Israel off the cliff. The only answer in Israel is Kahanism and Hayamin and we are fooling ourselves if we pretend otherwise.
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Many of the Kahanists including the family of THE Kahanists (Federmans for example) get along with these various people. We do not need these rabble rousing. I know what Rav Kahane stood and I see his video's and his writing. He did not use such language against those he disagreed with. He even said that the views of people like Rav Schach are legit and he respects (but disagrees) with them. He only left and used the Yimah Shemos very rarely to people and groups like the NK. If you call yourself by his name "Kahane"- "Kahanist" then you ought to follow his true teachings and what he stood for- Ahavat Yisrael (the Love of (the nation of) Israel) and Kiddush Hashem (Sanctifying G-D's name). Love of Israel for us includes making peace among the nation of Israel.
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I don't know very much about the Federmans but I understand that they are very heroic and courageous pioneers. I am saying the exact same things that Chaim does in all of his videos and broadcasts. Bennett is not the answer, Shas is not the answer, Likud is not the answer, the fake Kahanists are not the answer, and even Moshe Feiglin (who is an improvement over all of the above) isn't the answer. All of the above entities fall far short of RMK's ideal example and some of them, i.e. the fake Kahanists, are quite evil. You're entitled to your opinion and I am mine. I do believe that Bennett must be defeated at all costs and that an overt extreme leftist like Tzipi Livni would be the lesser of two evils next to him, but to each his own.
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The strain of seeing fellow Sefard Amnon Yitzhak siphoning off Shas votes has cause Ovadia Yosef to collapse & be hospitalized this morning!
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164105
(http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.493523.1358003040!/image/752597069.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/752597069.jpg)
Seeing Amnon Yitzhak, who is a tad more rightwing than the Shas traitors, with his cute little bobbled Yemenite hat strutting around the Knesset would be fun!
(http://uploads.static.vosizneias.com/2013/01/NEW-665874660015107.jpg)
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It's just as important to expose evil people as it is to support good people. If someone evil happens to be Jewish, exposing them doesn't make the person doing it an anti-Semite. Unfortunately there are a lot of Jews in prominent positions that are evil. There are a lot of really good and righteous Jewish people too and I think we all support them.
I think one of the reasons why we sometimes point out the evil people is that they are hurting Jewish people the most and as supporters of Jewish people as a whole we hate to see the evil individuals harming the whole.
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Rubystars, with all due respect most of the time these issues get to ignoramuses and the general public who do not know the issues enough and resort to believing and calling others evil when they do not deserve it. My advice is for you to just stay out.
Yerusha- For your disgusting comment (here and doing this over and over) I hope the same happens to you soon as well.
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Rubystars, with all due respect most of the time these issues get to ignoramuses and the general public who do not know the issues enough and resort to believing and calling others evil when they do not deserve it. My advice is for you to just stay out.
Yerusha- For your disgusting comment (here and doing this over and over) I hope the same happens to you soon as well.
I usually do stay out of it because I'm not really that into the details of Israeli politics. I do think that they should never give up land though and to do that and to expel the Jews that live there is evil. So I think that even I can say something like that and be fairly safe in doing so. I believe that because I believe in the Bible and what it says about the Jewish people's right to Israel.
Another point that I should make is that over here in the USA, what certain Jews are doing does affect the country in a bad way and so I have a right and an obligation to comment on their behavior. That doesn't mean that I believe that those indiividuals reflect on the Jewish people as a whole though. They just happen to be evil people.
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Rubystars their are those here who call and say they are "Kahanists" they are doing and saying things that Rav Kahane would NEVER approve of. How do I know? I read his books and I see his video's addressing these exact issues, the complexity of these situations is such that yes we are completely against giving up land, we are against even the concept of "Land for peace" based on Halachic reasons. These are issues in Jewish law and we are fighting the fight to get these things heard and implemented. What some are doing (by cursing, bashing and name calling etc.) is actually hurting our efforts in the strongest of ways. Rav Kahane (as I heard and read) always had respect to fellow Rabbis and Jews as a whole with the exception of the extreme of the extreme who willingly and knowingly did things to hurt Jews (like NK does) even those he strongly disagreed with (for example Rav Schach where I heard him directly address his haskaffa and Halachic positions and address with respect).
Also in "the Jewish world" if you will, their are those who respected and respect Rav Kahane but because of (some of) his students and others who talk in his name cause great disrespect to the Rav and cause his legacy to be trashed and for those not soo familiar to be totally turned off. Any normal Jew would be appalled to see this thread and the things that were said by some here (both Jew and gentile) against fellow Jews and the silence of the majority of the Jews here on these matters.
If these things continue I will leave. Maybe I will just ask q's for Ask JTF, but I will not continue to read some of the Sh^t I see being posted here.
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Please keep in mind that the Rav was murdered before Oslo. What could be respected then, in his time, can IMO certainly no longer be respected or tolerated. I'm sorry if that seems extreme but I really don't think Rabbi Kahane would react to the situation of today the way he reacted to that of yesteryear. These are not just theories or differences of opinion we can brush aside as an amicable philosophical contrast. The people with these views have already shown us they are willing to sell out the Jewish people and endanger the entire country by strengthening our enemies. Its NOT just theory or opinion. The antizionists such as amnon yitzhak and the charedi parties who wish for the blood of settlers deserve nothing but contempt and derision. That's how I see it. Prove me wrong.. anyone here, I challenge you.
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Also addressing those who said earlier about taking care of the poor. We have the concept of Tzeddakah and our (Jewish) obligation to support and help our Brethren. It is not even simply charity, it is based on Tzedek (Justice). It was even enforced when we had a Jewish government and when we will have a Jewish government again.
Not only that, every 7 years the loans were annulled (when we had Shmittah) then came a time of Hillel and Prosbol (complex concept not for now). Soo if one owned $ to another, once that 7th year came the loans were taken away. No interest could EVER be taken nor given. The poor had and have rights. This is found in the Tannach (Torah Prophets Writings) and in the teachings of the sages. On the other hand their is also property rights as well and they are to respected.
Every 7 years the land was left alone. No one had rights to the land and anyone who wished was allowed to come and eat from it. Rambam explains Shmitta being for the benefit of the poor. Also had to do with Emuna (faith) in G-D and that it is G-D who gives a person wealth (again this is a very broad a long topic not a simple answer and depends upon the individual).
Their is chastisement over and over again for taking care of the poor, the widow's, orphans, converts (strangers who come to the land and don't have relatives), the Leviim and the Kohanim (who were not given their own land but had to take care of the spiritual needs of the nation) etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7AY9rpuGhI
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Please keep in mind that the Rav was murdered before Oslo. What could be respected then, in his time, can IMO certainly no longer be respected or tolerated. I'm sorry if that seems extreme but I really don't think Rabbi Kahane would react to the situation of today the way he reacted to that of yesteryear. These are not just theories or differences of opinion we can brush aside as an amicable philosophical contrast. The people with these views have already shown us they are willing to sell out the Jewish people and endanger the entire country by strengthening our enemies. Its NOT just theory or opinion. The antizionists such as amnon yitzhak and the charedi parties who wish for the blood of settlers deserve nothing but contempt and derision. That's how I see it. Prove me wrong.. anyone here, I challenge you.
Rav Amnon Yitzhak is an "anti-zionist" in the respects of not respected nor recognizing the authority of the secular. His world view (right or wrong) is that those who cause someone to sin are worse then those who come and murder them. He views those he calls the "zionists" (basically meaning the secular kibbutzim and those who ran the state in earlier times especially(which again is a term that can be interpreted in many different ways and their are those in Hayamin who say they are not or anti-zionists as well) as worse then perhaps the nazis because the nazis killed the body yett the soul lives on and they killed the soul by making Jews not religious (that is his world view)
He definitely does not have any love for the Arabs. I heard him before and even recently he said how Israel should not listen nor care about America and take care of the Arab problem in Azza without sending any troops (meaning to bomb them only without any risk to soldiers).
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Rav amnon Yitzhawk on "NO Palestine". English subtitles.
http://youtu.be/O4CtogMUWrc
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hat's how I see it. Prove me wrong.. anyone here, I challenge you.
I will send you shiur (once I search for it and find it) by Rav Bar-Hayim on this issues. In it I remember him saying (and I see this myself) most of these Haredim are very right wing and have nationalistic views but also how and why we got to what we did. I'm posting this here as a reminder to send it to you (as I know this is your Rav as well).
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Rav amnon Yitzhawk on "NO Palestine". English subtitles.
http://youtu.be/O4CtogMUWrc
(http://thumb15.shutterstock.com/thumb_small/71644/71644,1174497267,1/stock-photo-tick-mark-2920889.jpg)
Rabbi Amnon Itzhak is absolutely the BEST we have today in Israeli politics.
Thank you for this post.
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Also addressing those who said earlier about taking care of the poor. We have the concept of Tzeddakah and our (Jewish) obligation to support and help our Brethren. It is not even simply charity, it is based on Tzedek (Justice). It was even enforced when we had a Jewish government and when we will have a Jewish government again.
Not only that, every 7 years the loans were annulled (when we had Shmittah) then came a time of Hillel and Prosbol (complex concept not for now). Soo if one owned $ to another, once that 7th year came the loans were taken away. No interest could EVER be taken nor given. The poor had and have rights. This is found in the Tannach (Torah Prophets Writings) and in the teachings of the sages. On the other hand their is also property rights as well and they are to respected.
Every 7 years the land was left alone. No one had rights to the land and anyone who wished was allowed to come and eat from it. Rambam explains Shmitta being for the benefit of the poor. Also had to do with Emuna (faith) in G-D and that it is G-D who gives a person wealth (again this is a very broad a long topic not a simple answer and depends upon the individual).
Their is chastisement over and over again for taking care of the poor, the widow's, orphans, converts (strangers who come to the land and don't have relatives), the Leviim and the Kohanim (who were not given their own land but had to take care of the spiritual needs of the nation) etc.
Tag, there is a difference between having a safety net for all Jews and a specific subgroup or constituency that demands handouts. From all that I see and have learned, Shas and its constituents behave much like the American negroes that are constantly demanding taxpayer and corporate welfare in the United States/West. But race is really irrelevant. There are trailer-trash whites and Christians that also behave like this and I don't want to give them one red cent either. Nobody should be forced to. I don't care what religion or social group someone belongs to, they should work for a living unless there is an absolutely solid reason why they cannot or should not. This is Chaim's position, not just mine. If Shas insists on being a charity movement for poor Sfaradim, then it should set itself up as a 501 (c)3 nonprofit (or whatever the equivalent is in Israel), drop the hell out of politics, and function as an actual charity for the poor making mass appeals to the public for donations. That is the way that any aid or alms should operate in a democratic society. Shas' shakedowns stink, but their politics are even worse. I do think that Israel would be better off if Shas ceased to exist, and I do wish the voters of Israel would stand up to their racket one of these days.
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Thank you Rubystars and KWRBT.
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I don't know anything about Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak, besides that I don't trust anyone in Israel besides Hayamin, but if he is a credible rival to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, I will support him any day just for that reason alone.
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Tag, I know you are a good Jew with good intentions. But telling our non-Jewish members to mind their own business is not helpful, in my view. Our non-Jewish members sincerely support Israel and they have every right to express their opinion. You can disagree with them if you wish, but please respect their right to speak.
When our non-Jewish members criticize appeasing Jewish politicians, this is actually good. When non-Jews who live thousands of miles away from Israel are more pro-Israel than Jews who actually live there, that is something that can potentially put the wimpy Jews to shame and possibly wake some of them up.
Also, what happens in Israel does not only affect Jews. It affects the whole world. Every Jewish surrender is a disaster for America and the West. Non-Jews who read the Bible know how G-d's actions toward the entire world are deeply affected by events in Israel. To expect non-Jews to be silent or apathetic about things that very much impact on their future is unfair.
We do want to avoid excessive attacks or cursing but I didn't see any of that from our non-Jewish members in this thread. The views they expressed are very legitimate and I happen to agree with them.
As far as HaRav Amnon Yitzchak and his party, Koah LeHashpiah, while I disagree with many of his positions, this Rabbi is courageous and sincere. I think this Rabbi's party is better than all of the others. Moreover, he takes votes away from the evil Shas party (yes, Shas is evil, they brought Arafat and 80,000 PLO-Fatah terrorists to Israel while expelling me).
So I thank you, Tag, for bringing this subject up.
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Thank you Chaim.
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Sorry Chaim I must disagree with you here. Even people with good intentions do not know and understand the complexities of these issues here.
For example this case of Tzedakkah. What "Just say" just said goes against our morals and our societal mentality and ways. He doesn't understand for example that our concept of Tzedakah is different from the experience of his concept of "charity" these are different things. He sees it from his worldview and his experience as an American (white or other) and having a society and people he doesn't care about (blacks). We do not view Tzedakah especially when dealing with our fellow Jews as something wrong or bad, in fact the opposite. We are to be compassionate and loving to our people.
Even this whole issue was raised by Rav Kahane ZTL HYD himself where he brings these sources and concepts in his Sefer OR Harayon. I think I brought this up some time ago as well. Our concept of Tzedakah is not like the gentile concept of charity. Their are many examples brought and when dealing with these issues (and something the Sanhedrin and Jewish society and courts will deal with) the dealings should be with the Torah and Jewish law and its take on these things and not the different cultures be they the American right wing concept of (mine is mine and yours is yours) or the left-wing concepts of (yours is mine and mine is mine) but the Torah concepts and ways of our sages and Prophets.
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"That is the way that any aid or alms should operate in a democratic society"
- That is the thing that might be your ideal society and I am fine with it, but our society is different and stands for a whole different culture and civilization. You just would not understand.
Chaim: "Our non-Jewish members sincerely support Israel and they have every right to express their opinion."
- We keep the discussions civil and we refrain from mentioning their religion don't we out of respect as well. I think it would be best for them not to be involved in these issues when then involve Halahic concepts, discussions and disagreements (and these disagreements absolutely do exist). We differ with some people for sure but at least hearing from Rav Kahane their is still respect for the people and groups who do not hold by the positions of Rav Kahane. This was said by Rav Kahane himself when referring to Rav Schach. He even said to someone who held by Rav Schach (for example) that if he is his Rabbi then he should go by him and that was it. I will never accept (and that is the plain truth) that Rav Kahane would allow someone to bash Rav Schach as a person without him (Rav Kahane) standing up for him and shutting the other person up. Be he someone of the covenant or especially an uncircumcised. Also it reflects very badly when inflammatory words are being said over and over again and the whole Jewish people as a whole are made to look as if we are some bloodsuckers who sell out for some $ (sounds very familiar to what Jews have been accused of for hundreds of years, and of the image of the "Judas" that existed and exists within the psych of many from the nations).
In reality "And who is like Thy people, like Israel, a nation one in the earth" וּמִי כְעַמְּךָ כְּיִשְׂרָאֵל, גּוֹי אֶחָד בָּאָרֶץ
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Rav Benyamin Kahane "Yeshiva and Gov. funding"
http://rabbikahane.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/yeshivas-and-government-funding/
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Rav Amnon Yitzhak is an "anti-zionist" in the respects of not respected nor recognizing the authority of the secular. His world view (right or wrong) is that those who cause someone to sin are worse then those who come and murder them. He views those he calls the "zionists" (basically meaning the secular kibbutzim and those who ran the state in earlier times especially(which again is a term that can be interpreted in many different ways and their are those in Hayamin who say they are not or anti-zionists as well) as worse then perhaps the nazis because the nazis killed the body yett the soul lives on and they killed the soul by making Jews not religious (that is his world view)
He definitely does not have any love for the Arabs. I heard him before and even recently he said how Israel should not listen nor care about America and take care of the Arab problem in Azza without sending any troops (meaning to bomb them only without any risk to soldiers).
No, you are wrong. You are engaging in what is called wishful thinking. Because you want this to be true. But it isn't.
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak is an antizionist in the full sense of the term. He is ideologically opposed to the creation of the Jewish state in history. That was the point of the videos he made against zionism. And he is now against the settlers in Judea and Samaria. Antizionist through and through.
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Tag, are you aware of the fact that Shas encourages huge numbers of young Sephardim not to work but to live on government handouts? Are you aware of the fact that six leading Shas members went to prison for corruption, bribery and kickbacks? Are you aware of the fact that the real leader of Shas, Aryeh Deri, is a left-wing traitor who supported the criminal Oslo accords and who supports Israeli national suicide? Are you aware of the fact that Shas is currently engaged in a massive smear campaign against HaRav Amnon Yitzchak?
The Torah concept of charity is not socialism. The Torah encourages hard work and self-sufficiency (see Pirkei Avot and the Rambam). Giving huge new taxing and budget powers to the Erev Rav traitors who run Israel is certainly not the Torah way. Making religious Jews slavishly dependent on handouts from the most evil self-hating Jewish traitors who want Israel to commit national suicide is the worst policy possible.
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No, you are wrong. You are engaging in what is called wishful thinking. Because you want this to be true. But it isn't.
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak is an antizionist in the full sense of the term. He is ideologically opposed to the creation of the Jewish state in history. That was the point of the videos he made against zionism. And he is now against the settlers in Judea and Samaria. Antizionist through and through.
How do you know what you said was and is true? He does say that the land is his (the Jewish people) but that state is not his. He says that the Arabs do not have rights to the land either. He personally will not vote either. Also their is a big history of the State and that grudge still very much exists. (many examples unfortunately including Yeminite babies kidnapped, secular indoctrination, not allowed those escaping Europe during the Nazis to enter and sending them back and secularism in general).
Their are Kahanists at least by Chaims words that say basically the same things. Including Noam Federman (at least from what I remember of Chaims words). their definitely are those who do not vote and will never vote because simply do not recognize the system.
Their are those (were talking only about the religious) on the opposite spectrum who basically go with the state and see themselves as the "fifth wheel". They will follow orders and leave their homes when expelled because of "state rules".
Rav Kahane was certainly unique because he recognized both facts. 1) that their were severe problems with those who made the state and that at least in his time to work within the state to change it to a fully Jewish country. That was his philosophy and that the State even with all of its problems still was a Kiddush Hashem since "not for your sake ooh Israel, but for my name" (says G-D).
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Moreover, he takes votes away from the evil Shas party (yes, Shas is evil, they brought Arafat and 80,000 PLO-Fatah terrorists to Israel while expelling me).
So I thank you, Tag, for bringing this subject up.
Ok, I agree it's great when Shas loses votes. Fine. But this...
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As far as HaRav Amnon Yitzchak and his party, Koah LeHashpiah, while I disagree with many of his positions, this Rabbi is courageous and sincere. I think this Rabbi's party is better than all of the others.
How can you say this about an antizionist ? He is a Yemenite rabbi who chose to align himself with haredi politics against the settlers and against Jewish nationalism. How can his party be the best?
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No, you are wrong. You are engaging in what is called wishful thinking. Because you want this to be true. But it isn't.
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak is an antizionist in the full sense of the term. He is ideologically opposed to the creation of the Jewish state in history. That was the point of the videos he made against zionism. And he is now against the settlers in Judea and Samaria. Antizionist through and through.
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Actually, Tag is right on this point. HaRav Yitzchak is not against a Jewish state. He is against the secular socialist "Zionists". HaRav Yitzchak even called himself a real Zionist in an interview on Channel 2.
HaRav Yitzchak is not against the Jewish settlers although his position is too weak from our Kahanist point of view. But he is the only leader saying there is no "Palestinian" people. He is actually to the right of all the other pathetic parties on this vital issue including the phony "Kahanist" party of Ben Ari and Marzel. I have already done three Hebrew videos on this where we will show how the phony "Kahanist" party advocates allowing millions of Arab Nazis to continue living in the land of Israel - we will be releasing the videos this week, G-d willing.
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Chaim I agree with you that people should be more self reliant and self sufficient. And yes hard work is praised and praiseworthy. Am I am not a socialist. But at the same time I am not a Capitalist as well. I am a Torahist (I know I made that up) but generally I see a more balanced approach to these issues. And the issues being solved within the Torah world instead of "in the streets" soo to speak.
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How do you know what you said was and is true? He does say that the land is his (the Jewish people) but that state is not his. He says that the Arabs do not have rights to the land either. He personally will not vote either. Also their is a big history of the State and that grudge still very much exists. (many examples unfortunately including Yeminite babies kidnapped, secular indoctrination, not allowed those escaping Europe during the Nazis to enter and sending them back and secularism in general).
Their are Kahanists at least by Chaims words that say basically the same things. Including Noam Federman (at least from what I remember of Chaims words). their definitely are those who do not vote and will never vote because simply do not recognize the system.
History is history and facts are facts, but this man still chose to align himself with the Satmar philosophy IN PRINCIPLE that a Jewish state should not exist in world history. The haredi world largely adopted this approach as well, but the haredi masses do not really accept it. The leadership endorses this approach and only puts a disclaimer that for practicality's sake they will deal with the state although it should not exist and exists in sin.
Rabbi Kahane was the one explaining aspects of this history (the crimes of the state against Jews) when no one else of "repute" would dare talk about it openly and honestly, and yet, he never once adopted the Satmar view. How do you not see the difference?
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Wait what are you asking, I am not sure?
I never said I agree with them.
I don't think all the Haredim adopted the "Satmar approach". I talked with some they said in the definitive that they do not. And some share some aspects and others other aspects, but definitely not all or even most. I don't know.
We basically take the approach of the Rambam to the Geula process. They probably go more with the Raavad and the concept of Moshiah and the redemption process (it being with open miracles etc. like the time of the redeption from Egypt, this weeks Parsha) Soo the modern state is/was a shocker to many. Some believe that since it was done by Reshaim it is bound to be destroyed because what the wicked make will not last.
Others relate to the state differently with many variations in between.
Basically I think we should relate to the state the way the Prophets (for example Eliyahu Hanavi) related to the King at the time. When he did bad he went against him and those policies, when he did good he honored the King and even ran in front of his chariots (as a show of great respect).
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Rabbi Kahane was the one explaining aspects of this history (the crimes of the state against Jews) when no one else of "repute" would dare talk about it openly and honestly, and yet, he never once adopted the Satmar view. How do you not see the difference?
At times he did. See his book "Israel: Revolution or Referendum". At times he did say it in this book. (Not that it should happen).
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Tag, I've tried to be respectful and patient with you but this is starting to get absurd.
Sorry Chaim I must disagree with you here. Even people with good intentions do not know and understand the complexities of these issues here.
Tag, many posts ago I said that we are going to just have to agree to disagree. You are the one who keeps continuing this.
For example this case of Tzedakkah. What "Just say" just said goes against our morals and our societal mentality and ways. He doesn't understand for example that our concept of Tzedakah is different from the experience of his concept of "charity" these are different things.
I don't morally think it is right for someone's wealth to be taken from them and be redistributed by the state or a petty special-interest group against their will. You keep saying that the Israeli media is demonizing Shas on this issue. I have no idea what the Israeli media says or not but if this is indeed true, they are saying this because they know that many Israelis dislike Shas and what it is doing and it is trying to tap into that sentiment.
He sees it from his worldview and his experience as an American (white or other) and having a society and people he doesn't care about (blacks).
I clarified that it's not really about race; I merely was stating that Shas behaves like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. I don't want to give handouts to whites, Hispanics, Christians, Jews, or anybody.
We do not view Tzedakah especially when dealing with our fellow Jews as something wrong or bad, in fact the opposite. We are to be compassionate and loving to our people.
So you are saying that the income of Israelis should be forcibly redistributed to shakedown artists whether they consent or not? That is fascism.
Even this whole issue was raised by Rav Kahane ZTL HYD himself where he brings these sources and concepts in his Sefer OR Harayon. I think I brought this up some time ago as well. Our concept of Tzedakah is not like the gentile concept of charity.
For many years Chaim has been saying that the Israeli welfare state must be reformed, and that only genuine full-time Torah students should receive exemptions from the military and a state stipend. I believe he knows what he is talking about.
Their are many examples brought and when dealing with these issues (and something the Sanhedrin and Jewish society and courts will deal with) the dealings should be with the Torah and Jewish law and its take on these things and not the different cultures be they the American right wing concept of (mine is mine and yours is yours) or the left-wing concepts of (yours is mine and mine is mine) but the Torah concepts and ways of our sages and Prophets.
Obviously Chaim disagrees with you, and I think that he knows as much Torah/halacha as you do, if not more.
- That is the thing that might be your ideal society and I am fine with it, but our society is different and stands for a whole different culture and civilization. You just would not understand.
I never proclaimed to be an expert on Jewish society in any way. I just trust Chaim's knowledge and judgment and I think he knows what he is talking about.
- We keep the discussions civil and we refrain from mentioning their religion don't we out of respect as well. I think it would be best for them not to be involved in these issues when then involve Halahic concepts, discussions and disagreements (and these disagreements absolutely do exist).
If you have some legitimate criticism of something going on in Christian church politics, please share it. Maybe you have some good feedback for us.
We differ with some people for sure but at least hearing from Rav Kahane their is still respect for the people and groups who do not hold by the positions of Rav Kahane.
Please show me where HaRav said that we must all support and respect Shas and all that it does.
This was said by Rav Kahane himself when referring to Rav Schach. He even said to someone who held by Rav Schach (for example) that if he is his Rabbi then he should go by him and that was it. I will never accept (and that is the plain truth) that Rav Kahane would allow someone to bash Rav Schach as a person without him (Rav Kahane) standing up for him and shutting the other person up. Be he someone of the covenant or especially an uncircumcised.
I don't know who Rabbi Schach is.
Also it reflects very badly when inflammatory words are being said over and over again and the whole Jewish people as a whole are made to look as if we are some bloodsuckers who sell out for some $ (sounds very familiar to what Jews have been accused of for hundreds of years, and of the image of the "Judas" that existed and exists within the psych of many from the nations).
Ex-freaking scuse me??? :o ::)
I am an anti-Semite because I said what all Israelis know (that Shas is a shakedown and extortion party) and Naftali Bennett is a greedy oligarch who has never used his millions for anything righteous?
You owe me an apology.
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Tag, are you aware of the fact that Shas encourages huge numbers of young Sephardim not to work but to live on government handouts? Are you aware of the fact that six leading Shas members went to prison for corruption, bribery and kickbacks? Are you aware of the fact that the real leader of Shas, Aryeh Deri, is a left-wing traitor who supported the criminal Oslo accords and who supports Israeli national suicide? Are you aware of the fact that Shas is currently engaged in a massive smear campaign against HaRav Amnon Yitzchak?
The Torah concept of charity is not socialism. The Torah encourages hard work and self-sufficiency (see Pirkei Avot and the Rambam). Giving huge new taxing and budget powers to the Erev Rav traitors who run Israel is certainly not the Torah way. Making religious Jews slavishly dependent on handouts from the most evil self-hating Jewish traitors who want Israel to commit national suicide is the worst policy possible.
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Wait what are you asking, I am not sure?
I never said I agree with them.
I don't think all the Haredim adopted the "Satmar approach". I talked with some they said in the definitive that they do not.
You talked with the Aguda? I'm talking about the haredi leadership. They did accept the Satmar approach. They were unwilling to fight the hassidim. And they ignored other voices such as Rav Kamenetsky who was decidedly NOT antizionist or against jewish nationalism. In fact he was proud and happy about the founding of the Jewish state. As were all the sane Jews. The Aguda squashed that natural feeling and excised it from the Jewish people as best as they could.
We basically take the approach of the Rambam to the Geula process. They probably go more with the Raavad and the concept of Moshiah and the redemption process (it being with open miracles etc. like the time of the redeption from Egypt, this weeks Parsha) Soo the modern state is/was a shocker to many. Some believe that since it was done by Reshaim it is bound to be destroyed because what the wicked make will not last.
Others relate to the state differently with many variations in between.
I have no idea what you're talking about except that you are trying to rationalize the haredi rejection of Jewish nationalism. Nothing makes that right or acceptable.
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At times he did. See his book "Israel: Revolution or Referendum". At times he did say it in this book. (Not that it should happen).
Revolution and Referendum are two contrary ideas, neither of which fit with Satmar ideology. Try again.
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Your last (before the clapping) shows why you should not be involved in these issues. You have your society we have ours.
"So you are saying that the income of Israelis should be forcibly redistributed"
YES in the proper way. Again this is a complex issue. You want your society to be only based on free market and people spending $ a certain way and giving to charity when they want to, that is fine for your society. Our society is different. And I can quote Rav Kahane word for word on this where he says this specifically.
About your churches, like I already told you I do not follow your ideology and that religion. I would not comment if someone is a good pastor or not because I do not recognize or follow the books of the "nt".
About the sources from Rav Kahane, those who have sefer Or Harayon (In English) see chapter "Humlity, Submission and Lowliness" page 62,
see page 585 on "Capitalism".
p. 214 on Charity and how it is defined as obligation and not how the nations define it (as if the wealth belongs to them and not how we define it that G-D owns everything and he apportions how He sees fit and tells one how to distribute it) Also how the great sages FORCED those who did not give enough to give to the poor.
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I have no idea what you're talking about except that you are trying to rationalize the haredi rejection of Jewish nationalism. Nothing makes that right or acceptable.
Another Shiur by Rav Bar-Chaim on this, Bli Neder remind me I will send you this one and the earlier one I told you, but you need to remind me and I will find it and send it to you.
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I would like someone to show me one positive thing R Amnon Yitzhak ever said about settlers.
The problem with haredi political leaders is that they view themselves as rivals of and in conflict with "the mizrahim." The entire program of religious nationalism is viewed as a competing force which they must constantly malign, contradict, and mock in order to convince their own masses that only their leadership is kadosh, and everyone else is imitation Jewry. Because "God forbid" that haredi Jews start feeling nationalistic or divert their attention to other points of view in the religious world - that will erode the power structure already in place. They won't allow that so they portray religious zionism as treife. It happens in America too. Dati Leumi is considered "not frum" by most of the mainstream haredim here.
What I see is that Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak has aligned himself with this haredi leadership and haredi approach. He sympathizes with the views of Rav Shach which are still propagated today by antizionist rabbis - "Rav Shach said not to settle out there (beyond the green line) and ha, ha! we haredi rabbis were always right and that is why you are now being evicted - because you never should have gone there" Why do I say people propagate this? Because a rabbi in Israel told me this.
Part of the haredi program to negate the "mizrahim" is to accept in part the secularist, israeli media and establishment demonizing of settlers. I have also been told by haredi rabbis that the settlers are extremists and we could have peace with the arabs if not for them.
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KWRBT I sent you the shiurim, see the different approaches that existed and exist in the Jewish world.
And yes we are in a sad state of affairs. Their are many people and groups attacking other ideologies. Haredim vs. Mizrachim, Mizrachim vs. Kahanistim, Modern-Orthodox vs. Ultra-Orthodox and all vice versa etc. We (in the Jewish world) will not get anywhere by the continuation of Jew-bashing. Why not defeat them all with what is actually important for us all? THE SOURCES. Stick to the sources and you will get them to your side once you explain them properly, if these antagonisms continue we are all heading towards destruction (G-D forbid).
For example how are the Haredim to reach to the continuation of Haredi bashing? Are they to then say, heyy I will change since they are all against me, or are they to then become even more insular and threatened and then even more antagonistic towards you and with whom you stand with.
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KWRBT I sent you the shiurim, see the different approaches that existed and exist in the Jewish world.
I will watch the shiurim but first I'm going to say that these "approaches" are nothing but a farce. There's nothing left to argue about. The state already exists whether you like it or not. Whether you thought in theory it should never come about or it should... It does now! The "battle" is over and has been lost by those who were against it. The fact that they still try to fight over this just shows how irrelevant and blind they are. Rabbi Wein speaks about this all the time and says how backwards and useless it is to cling to these old arguments and rehash our dysfunctional past during the current time with all its problems and challenges. It's like trying to turn back time and "uninvent" the computer. Or uninvent the automobile. A philosophy which negates our national life, while our national life is currently in existence, is a danger to society and a boon to our enemies. The real life manifestation of the bankruptcy of these so-called "approaches" has already been exposed and laid bare. They sacrificed the Jewish people to the Oslo Moloch! There can't be anymore tolerance of this treason. Not now in this era. Sorry.
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"So you are saying that the income of Israelis should be forcibly redistributed"
YES in the proper way. Again this is a complex issue. You want your society to be only based on free market and people spending $ a certain way and giving to charity when they want to, that is fine for your society. Our society is different.
That is Marxist fascism.
About your churches, like I already told you I do not follow your ideology and that religion. I would not comment if someone is a good pastor or not because I do not recognize or follow the books of the "nt".
I don't know why you keep going back to this. Lots of Jewish JTF members criticize bad decisions by the Pope, etc. and Christians are not offended by it.
About the sources from Rav Kahane, those who have sefer Or Harayon (In English) see chapter "Humlity, Submission and Lowliness" page 62,
see page 585 on "Capitalism".
p. 214 on Charity and how it is defined as obligation and not how the nations define it (as if the wealth belongs to them and not how we define it that G-D owns everything and he apportions how He sees fit and tells one how to distribute it) Also how the great sages FORCED those who did not give enough to give to the poor.
HaRav was talking about a true Torah government, not the current secular Nazi regime and evil, traitor, backstabbing "religious" parties that are only out for gelt that collaborate with it.
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Also to say that their are these complete antagonisms is also not correct. One such example is the nascent Sanhedrin that was formed. Although not perfect it has Rabbis and people from all the different sectors including the Haredim and the Dati-Leumi. Its first Samuch Rabbi Moshe Halberstam was from the "eida Chareda", yes that Eida. It also has Dati Leumi Rabbis like Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu Rabbi Steinzaltz and Rabbi Dov Levanoni, and many others.
The Eida also instructs soldiers who come to them for Halachic decisions including practical decisions for the army service (what is muttar and what is not). if you want source I will send you what Rav from MachonMeir said on these matters.
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That is Marxist fascism.
I really dont care what you call it. I'm sick of hearing your inflammatory comments over and over.
I brought the sources from Rav Kahane ZTL HYD. Its in his book, his book on Jewish laws and ethics.
Your comments is why I said that you should not be involved in this. You are not a Jew, ookay? You do not share our culture and civilization. If someone from amoung my people disagrees they sure can, then can bring their proofs and support and we will work to arrive at the truth. That is how we operate. With you I bring something and you react in anger as if I was telling you what to do or saying how you should live your life with your people. You are the true "Marxist fascist" in this case because you are dictating how we, AM YISRAEL should live our lives and how we should go by your ways. We have the ways of G-D and the ways of His Torah and that is how we will dictate our society to be and not have outsiders tell us what should be done, ookay.
would you be happy if Mexico or Canada told you how the U.S.A. should be run? And that is just people, we have G-D, the Prophets and the Hachamim. We will deal with our issues based on these sources.
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Fine. I'm done with this. I said long ago we should agree to disagree.
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I think "bread in 1 shekel" demonstrates the sort of populist irresponsible style of this party. There is no hunger in Israel. Everyone can afford to by the 5 shekel standard bread. That's 750 grams of not so healthy wheat bread and people shouldn't make it their main staple anyway.
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I think "bread in 1 shekel" demonstrates the sort of populist irresponsible style of this party. There is no hunger in Israel. Everyone can afford to by the 5 shekel standard bread. That's 750 grams of not so healthy wheat bread and people shouldn't make it their main staple anyway.
A dollar a for a loaf of bread sounds like a bargain already... At a quarter they might as well just give it away like the U.S government does with it's surplus cheese :::D People need to work and be productive... I would be wary of political parties that advocate socialist ideas of subsidized food prices.
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How can you say this about an antizionist ?
HaRav Amnon Itzhak is probably more ZIONIST than all of us together.. It's a simple fact. Look how he goes from country to country around the world to bring back Jews to the Holy Land (I didn't find this with English subtitles, sorry..) :
http://youtu.be/HGYGf5xclHE
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A dollar a for a loaf of bread sounds like a bargain already... At a quarter they might as well just give it away like the U.S government does with it's surplus cheese :::D People need to work and be productive... I would be wary of political parties that advocate socialist ideas of subsidized food prices.
Sometimes these populist policies are outright destructive. Especially in the when it comes to healthcare. It is just ridiculous to promise a universal health insurance with everything covered for NIS20 (about USD 5).
Unfortunately the charedi politicians will often opt to provide basic low cost freebies for everyone over a more expensive and more selective allocation of resources for the few who really need it. For example the charedim forced into the budget free dental care for children, and took the money directly from the fund which is meant to be used for very high cost life saving treatments.
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Sometimes these populist policies are outright destructive. Especially in the when it comes to healthcare. It is just ridiculous to promise a universal health insurance with everything covered for NIS20 (about USD 5).
Unfortunately the charedi politicians will often opt to provide basic low cost freebies for everyone over a more expensive and more selective allocation of resources for the few who really need it. For example the charedim forced into the budget free dental care for children, and took the money directly from the fund which is meant to be used for very high cost life saving treatments.
Well we can see it here in the U.S with just 4+ years of the shvartza President's spread the wealth policies... Little or no recovery, more and more people seeking government assistance because in the long run being productive and self sufficient is no longer a reasonable goal... The mindset has now become if you can't beat them join them... Let's face it, whats the point of breaking your back each day getting ahead and then having Uncle Sam or whoever coming in and taking half of your hard work in order to dispense it out to slackers... Before long the entire system is down the tube.
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. There is no hunger in Israel.
Their sure is. Go to Bnai Brak see for yourself. Go to Beitar Eilit ( "the Settlement") and see.
Also even the U.S. government made school lunch programs to feed their children because when children grow up without the proper nutrition they wont function properly when they grow up (the brain and organs do not develop as well without the proper nutrition). The U.S. gov and military feed the children soo when they grow up and join the military they would be better fighters.
http://youtu.be/tkS36Lg3_6Q
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Their sure is. Go to Bnai Brak see for yourself.
Also even the U.S. government made school lunch programs to feed their children because when children grow up without the proper nutrition they wont function properly when they grow up (the brain and organs do not develop as well without the proper nutrition). The U.S. gov and military feed the children soo when they grow up and join the military they would be better fighters.
http://youtu.be/tkS36Lg3_6Q
Especially not in Bnei Brak. The Charedim are many things, but when it comes to feeding the hungry they are second to none. There is poverty and crowdedness in Bnei Brak, but there is no hunger.
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Especially not in Bnei Brak. The Charedim are many things, but when it comes to feeding the hungry they are second to none. There is poverty and crowdedness in Bnei Brak, but there is no hunger.
It has nothing to do with the Charedim! The problem is the SYSTEM of the Bolshevik bureaucrat ESTABLISHMENT. Israel is a country of "Combinot" (as we say in Hebrew, meaning "shady business plans") to rob the citizens in every way possible.. Chaim talks about it too in some of his past shows.
It's ashame there are people who don't mind paying 17% more for each toothpick they put into their teeth, or 4 times the cost of 1L fuel to drive a car, or 30% more for all dairy products (that goes to the Kibutzim btw), or 110 shekels to the bank for each check that returns, or buying into all the "Adif/Silver/Gold/Platinum" insurances of the health maintenances, or paying 3 milliard shekels to cover up depts of the tycoons that use their mighty power not to pay - on our account, etc. etc. .. I DO!
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http://www.therav.co.il/1-sshekel.html
Did not read it, it is saying in their opinion how to get the price of bread down to a shekel (writing in Hebrew). Posting because someone asked.
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Looking at some different video's by him and his stances. Here is on the trade of Gilad Shalit vs. 1,000 + terrorists.
I must say I am a lot more happy and glad to see him saying these things instead of the short-shortsightedness that some others have been saying over and over again.
I hope I understood this video correctly, he was against the deal and brought examples such as Maran MiRotenburg.
(This is in Hebrew) Rav Bar-Hayim has shiur and sources etc. etc. in English for those who need or want it. (Let me know).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4J7Te6BlVE
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I hope I understood this video correctly, he was against the deal and brought examples such as Maran MiRotenburg.
(This is in Hebrew) Rav Bar-Hayim has shiur and sources etc. etc. in English for those who need or want it. (Let me know).
Correct.