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Pope resigns, saying no longer has strength to fulfill ministry
ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Monday he will resign on Feb 28 because he no longer has the strength to fulfill the duties of his office, becoming the first pontiff since the Middle Ages to take such a step.
The 85-year-old pope said he had noticed that his strength had deteriorated over recent months "to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me".
"For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter," he said according to a statement from the Vatican.
A Vatican spokesman said the pontiff would step down from 1900 GMT on February 28, leaving the office vacant until a successor is chosen.
(Reporting by Steve Scherer; editing by Janet McBride)
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Converting to Islam probably. But then again it wouldn't be proper taqqiya
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He just decided to resign? it's not illegal but the previous Pope stood on till he Passed away
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He just decided to resign? it's not illegal but the previous Pope stood on till he Passed away
;D :laugh: :::D :::D
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No offense intended to our wonderful Catholic members at JTF but I predict that Ratzinger's successor will be just as much of a Nazi as he was/is.
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Most likely he is going to be named Petrus/Peter Romonov, if someone like him really exists now.
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Get ready for the black Pope. :clap:
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Get ready for the black Pope. :clap:
They talking about nothing else on the Dutch TV.... What is this sh*t about 'first' black leaders everywhere ::)
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They talking about nothing else on the Dutch TV.... What is this sh*t about 'first' black leaders everywhere ::)
I feel your plight. I have Dutch parents and I go to holland twice year. Each time there is more and more Moroccans and blacks.....
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About 7% of the Dutch population is already Muslim. The situation is getting worser and worser.
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I applaud this decision. Maybe the next pope might not have such an inclination for anti-Jewish positions...
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I applaud this decision. Maybe the next pope might not have such an inclination for anti-Jewish positions...
The chances of that are very small.
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Why don't they pick up a younger pope this time?
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Why don't they pick up a younger pope this time?
How about a Jewish pope for fun?
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If I remember correctly, this Pope was no spring chicken when he first got the job.
But I remember someone telling me once that the Pope has to be *above* a certain age.
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If I remember correctly, this Pope was no spring chicken when he first got the job.
But I remember someone telling me once that the Pope has to be *above* a certain age.
There is no real age requirement but they have other things they must meet to become pope.
They won't elect a pope that is young because they don't want one that will have that seat for a long time. They did not even expect Pope John Paul II to live that long or hold the papacy
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Get ready for the black Pope. :clap:
What will his papal name be,Pope Leroy I or Pope Tyrone I?
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How about a Jewish pope for fun?
What would his papal name be,Pope Hymie I?
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There is no real age requirement but they have other things they must meet to become pope.
They won't elect a pope that is young because they don't want one that will have that seat for a long time. They did not even expect Pope John Paul II to live that long or hold the papacy
How about someone in his 60's at least?
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How about a Jewish pope for fun?
I think the first pope was actually born Jewish.
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I think the first pope was actually born Jewish.
What whas his name? Never hear of him.
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Everyone knows that the first pope was a rabbi. Pope Peter the rabbit. Hence Easter and rabbits. The only true pope is fluffy. Pope fluffy.
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What whas his name? Never hear of him.
Saint Peter
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Everyone knows that the first pope was a rabbi. Pope Peter the rabbit. Hence Easter and rabbits. The only true pope is fluffy. Pope fluffy.
Sounds like a fairies tale to me :::D
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Everyone knows that the first pope was a rabbi. Pope Peter the rabbit. Hence Easter and rabbits. The only true pope is fluffy. Pope fluffy.
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Get ready for the black Pope. :clap:
You want a pope who rapes, raps, and robs?
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I find this quite amusing...
It happened yesterday afternoon after the news spread
(http://i47.tinypic.com/dob34j.jpg)
BBC even caught it on camera:
http://video.corriere.it/fulmine-san-pietro/fb7d2506-74f3-11e2-b332-8f62ddea2ca4 (http://video.corriere.it/fulmine-san-pietro/fb7d2506-74f3-11e2-b332-8f62ddea2ca4)
It is quite open to any interpretation LOL
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How can it be possible that pope Petrus/Peter Romonov/Roman may be from Africa. Does North Africa has any chance.
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I find this quite amusing...
It happened yesterday afternoon after the news spread
(http://i47.tinypic.com/dob34j.jpg)
BBC even caught it on camera:
http://video.corriere.it/fulmine-san-pietro/fb7d2506-74f3-11e2-b332-8f62ddea2ca4 (http://video.corriere.it/fulmine-san-pietro/fb7d2506-74f3-11e2-b332-8f62ddea2ca4)
It is quite open to any interpretation LOL
Talk about direct communication ;D
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I think the first pope was actually born Jewish.
True Peter whose name was Simon.I'm wrong Simon Peter wasn't a Pope. Bt if you go to the bottom of this page it does list some Popes who were of Jewish ancestry http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/malachy.htm
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The pope is old and tired and just needs a vacation, what is why he is going on the Catholic Boat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOwn2Tq_0Mw
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The pope is old and tired and just needs a vacation, what is why he is going on the Catholic Boat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOwn2Tq_0Mw
Haha classic!
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Most likely he is going to be named Petrus/Peter Romonov, if someone like him really exists now.
I see you also heard of that prophecy. It's not a Biblical prophecy but it is an interesting one nevertheless.
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How about a Jewish pope for fun?
Would you really want a self-hating Jewish guy as the leader there? He'd go after Jews more harshly than Mr. Nazi Youth
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Lightening strikes Vatican after Pope's Resignation?
Must be a sign....
Yes! With the arrival of Petrus Romonov/Petrus Romanus/Peter Roman, this also appears to be the most likely sign.
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I see you also heard of that prophecy. It's not a Biblical prophecy but it is an interesting one nevertheless.
Yes, I too know and you are right.
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:::D :::D
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/shared/characters/non-human/peter-rabbit.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/characters/peter-rabbit&h=300&w=400&sz=75&tbnid=RcnR18CVXasIIM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=132&zoom=1&usg=__mF_vIWolQIYcwKNlcJBT6u_B0LI=&docid=Ngv0E3YVafrc9M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LpYaUaS7IdDK0AHqtICQAg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwBg&dur=4057
why do you think the pope wears that funny shaped hat? It fits the ears of the rabbit.
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To be honest i realy don't care about the Pope ore the Vatican...
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To be honest i realy don't care about the Pope ore the Vatican...
That is true. But the subject is a matter of global interest that how the things are changing and collapsing suddenly especially in the second half of the seven years.
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The goyim are all agog (pun intended) that the "Panzer Pope" has suddenly resigned, thus making way for "the Last Pope" according to "the seers" Nostradamus (whose parents were Jewish) and Saint Malachy, referred to cryptically as "Petrus Romanus" - Peter The Roman. Interestingly one of the leading contenders for next pope is a negro bishop called Peter Turkson - possible the foretold feared "Black Pope"!
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_lP604eGH7H63-8f71GKv6DXhr0Ek-a7VeKpNyFJqdd0p4IOr)
The kabbalists used to use the term the "Priest of On" - כהן אן (Breishis 46:20) as a codeword for the Pope.
Zohar Balak 212:
"On the 6th day, the 25th day of the 6th month, the star will appear. It will be gathered on the 7th day, at the end of 70 days. On the first day it will be seen in the city of Rome. On the same day, 3 supernal walls of that city of Rome will fall and a great heichal will fall. The ruler of that city will die. Then the star will spread out to be seen in the world. In that time strong wars among the goyim will awaken in the world on all 4 sides and emunah will not be found among them."
Several possibly very visible comets (stars?) are indeed due in 2013.
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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/shared/characters/non-human/peter-rabbit.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/characters/peter-rabbit&h=300&w=400&sz=75&tbnid=RcnR18CVXasIIM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=132&zoom=1&usg=__mF_vIWolQIYcwKNlcJBT6u_B0LI=&docid=Ngv0E3YVafrc9M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LpYaUaS7IdDK0AHqtICQAg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwBg&dur=4057
why do you think the pope wears that funny shaped hat? It fits the ears of the rabbit.
Where are his ears when he wears the kippa?
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You want a pope who rapes, raps, and robs?
Why not? Good enough for a President. Good enough for a Pope.
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Why not? Good enough for a President. Good enough for a Pope.
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The goyim are all agog (pun intended) that the "Panzer Pope" has suddenly resigned, thus making way for "the Last Pope" according to "the seers" Nostradamus (whose parents were Jewish) and Saint Malachy, referred to cryptically as "Petrus Romanus" - Peter The Roman. Interestingly one of the leading contenders for next pope is a negro bishop called Peter Turkson - possible the foretold feared "Black Pope"!
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_lP604eGH7H63-8f71GKv6DXhr0Ek-a7VeKpNyFJqdd0p4IOr)
The kabbalists used to use the term the "Priest of On" - כהן אן (Breishis 46:20) as a codeword for the Pope.
Zohar Balak 212:
"On the 6th day, the 25th day of the 6th month, the star will appear. It will be gathered on the 7th day, at the end of 70 days. On the first day it will be seen in the city of Rome. On the same day, 3 supernal walls of that city of Rome will fall and a great heichal will fall. The ruler of that city will die. Then the star will spread out to be seen in the world. In that time strong wars among the goyim will awaken in the world on all 4 sides and emunah will not be found among them."
Several possibly very visible comets (stars?) are indeed due in 2013.
Seriously though, I've been really busy the last few days and have not been able to follow the news. I heard there's a good sized meteor coming by earth here shortly, is this true?
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Yes Ephraim there is a large Asteroid which is coming within 17,200 miles of Earth this coming Friday, closer than the current altitude of most satellites in geo-synchronous orbit around the planet. NASA assures us that it will not strike earth, but it is the closest near-earth object in recent history. We became aware of it last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsBUZy1ZCYQ
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Why not? Good enough for a President. Good enough for a Pope.
Great post, it really made me laugh. ;D
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Bring on the schvarzter pope.
We should all welcome Pope Leroy or Pope Tyrone.
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"On the 6th day, the 25th day of the 6th month, the star will appear. It will be gathered on the 7th day, at the end of 70 days. On the first day it will be seen in the city of Rome. On the same day, 3 supernal walls of that city of Rome will fall and a great heichal will fall. The ruler of that city will die. Then the star will spread out to be seen in the world. In that time strong wars among the goyim will awaken in the world on all 4 sides and emunah will not be found among them."
Is that 25 Elul? Or is counting from Tishrei (25 Adar)? The Christians used to count their new year from March 25 (When they claim the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary.).
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Speaking of Gabriel and false prophets, maybe the black Muzzies will claim it's the Mother Ship rather than a star. LOL!
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Speaking of Gabriel and false prophets, maybe the black Muzzies will claim it's the Mother Ship rather than a star. LOL!
Farakoon says:Beam me up Scotty!!!!!
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Bring on the schvarzter pope.
We should all welcome Pope Leroy or Pope Tyrone.
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It should be interesting... It really would not make much of a difference to catholic folks here in the United States who or what the pope is... It should be interesting how a third world pope deals with world issues however... Time will tell.
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Pope Peter Romanov will be very much thankful to Pope Benedict for stepping down. BTW is there any chance that Pope Peter Romanov is connected with China, this so because China is rapidly advancing in all fields.
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Pope Peter Romanov will be very much thankful to Pope Benedict for stepping down. BTW is there any chance that Pope Peter Romanov is connected with China, this so because China is rapidly advancing in all fields.
Why Peter Romanov?
If Peter Romanav he'd be a Russian [censored],if a schvartzer he'd be Leroy or Tyrone.
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Why Peter Romanov?
If Peter Romanav he'd be a Russian [censored],if a schvartzer he'd be Leroy or Tyrone.
Incidentally the name of the same person at places has been variously mentioned as Petrus/Peter - Romanus/Romanov/Roman. So he can be any one of the many similar. The rapid way in which the Red Dragon Chinese influence is globally increasing and the weird way in which Pope Petrus Romanus is expected to perform, it can be anticipated that both of them can be with their hands in the gloves.
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It should be clear that this so-called prophecy has nothing to do with Judaism. We have no concept of 'anti-messiah' it is a strictly Christian belief. We do believe that there are two ways which redemption will come, one is when the Jewish people accept Hashems yoke with love and the Moshiach will come speedily. The second scenario is that we do not do teshuva, and Hashem will then unleash the 'Birthpangs' of Moshiach which will be tribulations and war.
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It should be clear that this so-called prophecy has nothing to do with Judaism. We have no concept of 'anti-messiah' it is a strictly Christian belief. We do believe that there are two ways which redemption will come, one is when the Jewish people accept Hashems yoke with love and the Moshiach will come speedily. The second scenario is that we do not do teshuva, and Hashem will then unleash the 'Birthpangs' of Moshiach which will be tribulations and war.
What about Daniel 7?
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What about Daniel 7?
Daniel 7 discusses the four exiles...
http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5759/vayechi.html
Bavel, Medai, Yavan, and Edom--Babylonian, Median, Greek, and Roman.
These are the four beasts of which Daniel prophesies...
It appears that Christian missionaries have misinterpreted part of Daniel 7 to concern an 'anti-messiah' but it is refuted by the Jewish sages.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=368&Itemid=228
This makes no sense for the Christian. If the entire system of animal sacrifice was only put there as a portent to the death of Jesus, so what need is there for animal sacrifice in the messianic era? Many Christians are shocked to learn that the sacrificial system is coming back. Some try to avoid the implications of these prophecies by making the preposterous claim that these prophecies refer to a temple of the anti-christ. This silly claim is clearly refuted by the texts. So who is the one who has faith in God’s word concerning the blood sacrifice? Is it the missionary who believes Paul when he says that the temple sacrifices never atoned for sin? (Hebrews 10:11). Or is it the Jew, who faithfully awaits the day when our offerings will be pleasing to God as in the days of old? (Malachi 3:4)
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In Isaiah we read of the physical dominion that will be granted to the Jewish people in the messianic age. Isaiah 60:12 – “For that nation or kingdom which does not serve you (the Jewish people) shall go lost, those nations will be utterly destroyed.” Again in Daniel 7:27 – “and the kingdom and dominion and greatness of the kingdoms under all the heavens, will be given to the nation of exalted holy ones (the Jewish people), his (this nation’s) kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.” In these verses we are being told how the Jewish people as a nation will be given dominion over all nations. Since no one attributes divinity to the Jewish nation, so submission to their sovereignty must be a simple physical submission, and not the religious worship of a god. The Messiah as the ruler of the Jewish nation in the end of days, represents the government of his people. So submission to the Messiah as spoken of in Psalm 2:12, does not mean religious devotion. It simply means that the Messiah will be given physical sovereignty over the gentile nations. In conclusion we can state that there is no honest way to read Psalm 2:12 as a license to worship anyone in a religious sense.
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So, is there a nemesis to the Messiah?
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So, is there a nemesis to the Messiah?
The easy answer, Amalek...
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2283/jewish/Amalek.htm
This is why Amalek, and what he represents, constitutes the archenemy of the Jewish people and their mission in life. As Moses proclaimed following the war with Amalek, “G‑d has sworn by His throne; G‑d is at war with Amalek for all generations.”3 Truth can refute the logical arguments offered against it. Truth can prevail even over man’s selfish drives and desires, for intrinsic to the nature of man is the axiom that “the mind rules over the heart”—that it is within a person’s capacity to so thoroughly appreciate a truth that it is ingrained in his character and implemented in his behavior. But man’s rational faculties are powerless against the challenge of an Amalek who leaps into the boiling tub, who brazenly mocks the truth and cools man’s most inspired moments with nothing more than a dismissive “So what?”
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/108400/jewish/The-End-of-Days.htm
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Pope Benedict Resigns? NO, what are we going to do now?
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You mean the earth will stop spinning on its own axis and stop going round the sun. Oh No! It will be the best if he retires on 29th February.
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Actually the Xtians do get the concept of the Anti-Messiah from us!
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1789-armilus
If you read Rav Kahane's "Jewish Idea" (Or Haraayon), you'll see he quotes the Torah sources about the Anti-Moshiach "Armilus" who will come from Rome and unite Edom, Yishmael, Gog, Erev Rav and Erev Katan in the final attack on the Kahanists (ie Torah-true Jews)!
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Yerusha I've been very interested in learning more about the Jewish ideas about the anti-Messiah. How would Jewish people recognize such a person?
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Peter Romanus and Armilus may appear phonetically similar to some.
Armilus >> Rmilus >> Romilus >> Romalus >> Romanus
Or it may be a shear coincidence.
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Actually the Xtians do get the concept of the Anti-Messiah from us!
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1789-armilus
If you read Rav Kahane's "Jewish Idea" (Or Haraayon), you'll see he quotes the Torah sources about the Anti-Moshiach "Armilus" who will come from Rome and unite Edom, Yishmael, Gog, Erev Rav and Erev Katan in the final attack on the Kahanists (ie Torah-true Jews)!
According to that article on Jewish Encylopedia there is some belief that this idea came from Christianity first and was only later added to Jewish belief. I find some of it hard to comprehend considering the Unity of Hashem and the belief that Satan has no power aside from the power which Hashem grants it. The only reconciliation I can figure is that this is just another way of looking at the prophecy of Gog UMagog with a character named Armilus who is the general of Gog's army (as the Encyclopedia suggests).
Rubystars, here is a link to a document which discusses several of these 'apocolyptic' scenarios...
But the Talmud is clear that there can be two ways the final redemption comes, and this armilus idea is only relevant if the first way fails. The Talmud does say that the two ways are 'Before it's time' or 'at its appointed time', the first way if we merit the redemption, the second if we do not. The second way surely brings the war of Gog UMagog as the prophet Yehezkel tells us.
http://torahcode.us/torah_codes/moshiach/moshiach5.shtml
We wait anxiously every day for the time of Redemption. When will it occur? The Kabbalists tell us
There is a potential end of days in every generation, according to its merits and a potential Messiah in the leader of each generation, according to the extent to which the people follow in his ways. If their sins become too numerous, the Redemption is postponed until a future time. (Tukkunei Zohar Chadash 95a)
Thus there have been many times which were propitious times for the Redemption. Rabbi Glazerson in his book Time for Redemption writes about the times that previous sages thought propitious for the Redemption. All these times have passed. Now, however, the time must be close. For many of the signs that the sages have written about are already present.
In the period preceding the coming of the Messiah, insolence will increase and honor wane. Prices will spiral upward. The vine will yield its fruit, yet wine will be expensive. The government [of Israel] will turn to heresy, but rebuke will be nonexistent. Meeting places will become places of sexual immorality. The Galilee will be destroyed, and the Gavlan desolated. Residents of border towns will go from place to place but find no haven. The wisdom of the sages will deteroiate, and those who fear sin will be despised. Truth will be lacking. Youths will put elders to shame. The elderly will stand up for the young. A son will treat his father disgracefuly. A daughter will rise up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man's enemies will be members of his own household. The face of the generation will be like the face of a dog. A son will have no shame before his father.
Upon what can we rely? Only upon our Father in heaven. (Sota 49b)
http://www.arigoldwag.com/krentzman/Gog%20and%20MaGog.pdf
Within this period of “Acharis HaYamim” the phenomenon called “Chevley Mashiach”, “the Birth pangs of Mashiach”, is manifest. During this time, the Jewish people must endure great difficulties and oppressors, likened to a woman's pains of birth. It is also during this time that the initial “Kibbutz Galuyos”, “ In-gathering of the Jewish Exiles” back to Eretz Yisrael, takes place.
Out of the “Birth pangs of Mashiach”, Mashiach is “born” so to speak. He reveals himself and takes on his function as the king and leader of the Jewish people, restoring the spiritual state of the nation, through the restoration of the avodah of the Beis HaMikdash and bringing about the nation's fulfillment of the Torah and mitzvos, in their totality. Thus, we have “Bias HaMashiach”, “the Coming of Mashiach”.
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Brief Overview: In Yechezkel (32, and 38-39) the prophet describes a leader named Gog, from the land of Magog, who will lead a large array of armies in a cataclysmic war against the Jewish people in Eretz Yisrael. There will ultimately be great devastation, particularly among the legions of Gog. G-d will bring about a severe retribution against Gog and the nations that follow him and those who remain will come to recognize G-d, and His total providence, as a result. They will no longer oppress the Jewish people, and will recognize G-d's unique plan for His chosen people. In Zecharyah (14) the prophecy concerning Gog and Magog is concluded with the full restoration and Redemption of the Jewish people (and presumably the coming of Mashiach) and the nations of the world worshiping G-d in the Beis HaMikdash, on the holiday of Succos, alongside the Jewish people.
Information about the 'two Moshiachs' Moshiach Ben Yosef and Moshiach Ben David:
http://www.chabad.org/library/moshiach/article_cdo/aid/101747/jewish/Appendix-II.htm#footnoteRef5a101747
Jewish tradition speaks of two redeemers, each one called Mashiach. Both are involved in ushering in the Messianic era. They are Mashiach ben David and Mashiach ben Yossef.1
The term Mashiach unqualified always refers to Mashiach ben David (Mashiach the descendant of David) of the tribe of Judah. He is the actual (final) redeemer who shall rule in the Messianic age. All that was said in our text relates to him.
Mashiach ben Yossef (Mashiach the descendant of Joseph) of the tribe of Ephraim (son of Joseph), is also referred to as Mashiach ben Ephrayim, Mashiach the descendant of Ephraim.2 He will come first, before the final redeemer, and later will serve as his viceroy.3
The essential task of Mashiach ben Yossef is to act as precursor to Mashiach ben David: he will prepare the world for the coming of the final redeemer. Different sources attribute to him different functions, some even charging him with tasks traditionally associated with Mashiach ben David (such as the ingathering of the exiles, the rebuilding of the Bet Hamikdash, and so forth).4
The principal and final function ascribed to Mashiach ben Yossef is of political and military nature. He shall wage war against the forces of evil that oppress Israel. More specifically, he will do battle against Edom, the descendants of Esau.5 Edom is the comprehensive designation of the enemies of Israel,6 and it will be crushed through the progeny of Joseph. Thus it was prophesied of old, "The House of Jacob will be a fire and the House of Joseph a flame, and the House of Esau for stubble.." (Obadiah 1:18): "the progeny of Esau shall be delivered only into the hands of the progeny of Joseph."7
See also : http://download.yutorah.org/2008/1053/726192.pdf is a very detailed explanation of the various prophecies...
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It is kind of hard to follow, where did you see the theory came from Christians?
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It is kind of hard to follow, where did you see the theory came from Christians?
The doubt is introduced in the 1st paragraph of the Jewish Encylopedia :
In later Jewish eschatology and legend, a king who will arise at the end of time against the Messiah, and will be conquered by him after having brought much distress upon Israel. The origin of this Jewish Antichrist (as he can well be styled in view of his relation to the Messiah) is as much involved in doubt as the different phases of his development, and his relation to the Christian legend and doctrine.
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The Later Armilus Legend.
The alleged descent of Armilus from a stone is a Jewish version of the wide-spread legend connected with the name of Virgil and referring to a statue that became a courtezan among the Romans (Güdemann, "Gesch. des Erziehungswesens . . . der Juden in Italien," pp. 221 et seq., 332, 333). It is indeed not improbable that this borrowing from the Virgil legend was due to Christian influence. The antithesis, Christ and Antichrist, which is the distinctive feature in the Christian legend of the Antichrist, led already in the tenth century to the opinion that Antichrist also would be the offspring of a virgin and, of course, of Satan (see Bousset,"Antichrist," p. 92, and the description of St. Hildegarde, lib. iii., visio xi., ed. Migne, pp. 716 et seq.).
As I said according to my understanding the end-of-days may involve a Gog UMagog scenario where the Moshiach Ben Yosef is killed. I have heard this many times. But my question is why Armilus only appears in later oral tradition and I suggest maybe it is due to adopting some Christian ideas on the Apocalypse.
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According to this page Armilus may just be another name for King Gog...
http://www.torah.org/learning/ramchal/classes/tgrrem3.html
Moshiach Ben Yoseph will play a major role in that rather arcane procedure. His life will be threatened in the process, but he'll be helped from above, and his part in all this will bring about a greatly needed cosmic correction. It will also lead to the appearance of Moshiach ben David.
It won't be an easy thing for Moshiach Ben Yoseph to do, the truth be known, but once he manages to succeed at it, and to defeat the evil Armilus (who some say is King Gog, referred to earlier on, or his successor; and who others say is another evil ruler) in the process, he'll set off a slew of things that will bolster the redemption.
Armilus in relation to the Erev Rav (Mixed Multitudes)
http://shuvoo.com/articles/year-of-chizuk.php
The pairing of Eisav with Yishmael is the work of Armilus, the minister of the Erev Rav, and this could destroy Israel and the entire world, He should have mercy upon us. The Erev Rav, that formidable stranger amongst us, was originally brought into the Jewish people for their good, but in the end, to our detriment. According to Kabbalah, though their role was marginalized throughout the last couple of millennia, it is destined to become far too prominent at the End-of-Days, as its proponents work insidiously towards the quiet destruction of the Jewish people.
Revealed the GR”A:
The main drive of the Erev Rav is to join Eisav and Yishmael, and to separate the two Moshiachs. Our main work is to counter this, to break and destroy the might of the Erev Rav, the klipah of the evil Armilus, amongst Israel. Well, we have certainly lived to witness the fulfillment of that prophecy in our lifetimes! Perhaps the turning point was 1990, when America, then called the “Great Satan” by the Arab world, formed an unprecedented coalition to take Kuwait back from Iraq, a coalition that benefited the Western and Arab worlds, but led to the Oslo Accord of 1993, and forced the eventual abandonment of Israeli settlements.
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A little more discussion of the coming of Moshiach according to some Jewish sources:
http://www.israel613.com/books/KOL_HATOR.pdf
a. “Yosef is still alive.” The basic approach of the Gaon is encapsulated in the principle “Yosef is still alive, ” meaning that the Mashiach ben Yosef is still alive and will live, because, as it is written, every aspect of the beginning of the Redemption is dependent on him. Thus the decree regarding his murder by Armilus the Wicked will be canceled. It will be canceled by extending the period of the exile, by afflictions that the Mashiach ben Yosef will suffer and diseases he will bear, and also by deeds that he will accomplish with great devotion, such as gathering in exiles, which is his mission. What will also help are messianic pangs and afflictions connected with Eretz Israel, and our regular, daily prayers for the life and success of Mashiach ben Yosef. Those who occupy themselves with gathering in the exiles, lighten the afflictions of Mashiach ben Yosef during the period called “the footsteps of the Mashiach.” The decree regarding the death of Mashiach ben Yosef will be nullified by subdivision into small parts, as in the parable recounted in the Midrash. There is a parable of a king who became angry with his son and swore to throw a big stone at him. Afterwards, he regretted what he had said, and had compassion on him. In order to fulfill his vow nevertheless, he broke up the big stone into many small ones and threw all these small stones at his son one by one. Thus the son was not killed, yet he suffered from the small stones. These are the pangs of the Mashiach: the suffering will come gradually, together with the 999 footsteps of the Mashiach, in such a way that the decree is divided into 999 small parts. In contrast, help will come as hinted in the sentence,[Jer. 30:7] “a time of trouble it is for Jacob, ” from which he will be saved.
The general mission of Mashiach ben Yosef is three-fold: revelation of the mysteries in the Torah, ingathering of the exiles, and removal of the unclean spirit from the land. The ingathering of exiles encompasses three tasks: building Jerusalem, gathering in the exiles, and fulfilling the commandments dependent on the Land. All these are hinted at in the following sentences: [Ps. 24:3] “who will ascend the mountain of the Lord, ” referring to the ingathering of exiles [initial letters — îáé-- are initials of Mashiach ben Yosef]. [Ps. 24:3] “who will stand up in the place of his sanctuary” referring to the building [initial letters -- are initials of Mashiach ben Yosef]. Wherever the word “to stand up” is mentioned, it refers to the line of Mashiach ben Yosef, as in the phrase [Gen. 37:7] “my sheaf rose” [Ps. 24:5] “he will receive a blessing from the Lord” refers to something that carries with it a blessing, such as planting [the initial letters are the initials of Mashiach ben Yosef, though in reverse order — îáé. And in the sentences [Jer 31:20] “return to your cities, ” “build Jerusalem, ” [Ps. 102:14] “it is the time to favor her.” ‘To favor’ refers to planting as it states, “he will favor its dirt.” Each one of them accords with the gematria of “testimony in Yosef” that refers to Mashiach ben Yosef.Also, these three tasks were given to Cyrus as it states: “I am the Lord Who confirms the word of His servant, and fulfills the counsel of his messengers; Who says of Jerusalem: ‘It will be settled’... Who says to the depths, ‘Dry up, and I will dry out your rivers’. Who says of Cyrus, ‘my shepherd’; he will fulfill all my desire, ” etc. [Isa.
44:24-28]. According to the explanation of the Gaon, the word in Gematria equals [131] because the purpose of building Eretz Israel is to drive out from the gates of Jerusalem. And therefore this is the mission of Cyrus as part of the mission of Mashiach ben Yosef from the left side, which means the quality of Din. The might of Mashiach ben Yosef lies in the miraculous assistance he can offer in connection with the ingathering of exiles that will come about when the awakening comes from below.
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The purpose of gathering in the exiles is to wage God’s war against Amalek, which was the main mission of Joshua, in line with Mashiach
ben Yosef. The war against Amalek includes every aspect, against all the enemies of Israel, including Armilus, the prince of the mixed multitude. It is also intended to remove the spirit of impurity from the Land, and to bring " Knesset Israel and Shechina from below, from the earth.
The opening of the war against Gog and Magog will start with the first redemption before the coming of the righteous mashiach -- Mashiach ben David, may it be speedily in our day. The main activity concerns building Jerusalem and gathering in the exiles and fulfilling the commandments connected with the Land according to secrets concerning the revealed end.
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Wonga used to say Olmert was Armilus. Also, George W. Bush was called Gog by many in the past. JTF even had an article about how Bush took the name Gogi as the name he used in his Yale fraternity.
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I once heard that the source of the Xtian belief for the "Christ" and "Anti-Christ" is from a Jewish source (I think Nevi'im or Ketuvim) but in Kahanist theology, the same source is taken as referring to the funeral of Rabbi Kahane and the funeral of Yitzhak Rabin. It says many people will attend the funeral of Mashiach Ben Yosef and mentions an evil person's funeral as well.
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Thanks Muman and Yerusha. If you hear someone who claims to be the Messiah putting an emphasis on nature/the environment over human beings then definitely don't trust that person.
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Wonga used to say Olmert was Armilus. Also, George W. Bush was called Gog by many in the past. JTF even had an article about how Bush took the name Gogi as the name he used in his Yale fraternity.
Most people say that W's Skull and Bones code name was "Temporary".