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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/06/Rand-Paul-Filibusters-Brennan-Nomination
Opinions?
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I support Rand Paul on this... The Constitution must never be usurped for the sake of National Security! This is how Adolf Hitler managed to legitimize the need to round up 6,000,000 Jews and systematically exterminate them. It was all for the protection of the State! As much as I want the US to fight terrorism, we must realize the same government that protects our people today may be massacring them tomorrow and be 100 times worse than any terrorist we fear, especially considering they have considerable more power to devastate than these terrorists. We have very strict laws protecting the rights of our citizenry for this very reason! Yes, we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights.. Contrary to what Obama Hussein says, it cannot be infringed or overridden when he sees fits. Everything must be done with due process.
Seriously, I think Rand Paul should be commended for this deed. As much as I may not like his father or even trust all what he does himself, I will say we need more politicians with guts to stand up to the tyranny of this Fascist dictator Obama Hussein, who always empowers himself at our expense, in the name, of course, of "National Security".
Where are the other so-called Republicans to back up Paul and the American people in these dire times? They probably are just hoping to get to the next golf game or the next dinner or have their call girl waiting for them in one of the 5 star hotels paid with our tax money. Seriously, if Obama doesn't meet any resistance wiping out Americans who he deems as a "threat" with drones, we Jews are in serious trouble.
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Interesting point.
Oddly enough he was one of 4 republicans who supported hagel.
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He is just trying to grab media attention 'is all.
When Rand Paul could stop the nazi Chuck Hagel's confirmation he voted for Hagel.
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I support Rand Paul on this... The Constitution must never be usurped for the sake of National Security! This is how Adolf Hitler managed to legitimize the need to round up 6,000,000 Jews and systematically exterminate them. It was all for the protection of the State! As much as I want the US to fight terrorism, we must realize the same government that protects our people today may be massacring them tomorrow and be 100 times worse than any terrorist we fear, especially considering they have considerable more power to devastate than these terrorists. We have very strict laws protecting the rights of our citizenry for this very reason! Yes, we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights.. Contrary to what Obama Hussein says, it cannot be infringed or overridden when he sees fits. Everything must be done with due process.
Seriously, I think Rand Paul should be commended for this deed. As much as I may not like his father or even trust all what he does himself, I will say we need more politicians with guts to stand up to the tyranny of this Fascist dictator Obama Hussein, who always empowers himself at our expense, in the name, of course, of "National Security".
Where are the other so-called Republicans to back up Paul and the American people in these dire times? They probably are just hoping to get to the next golf game or the next dinner or have their call girl waiting for them in one of the 5 star hotels paid with our tax money. Seriously, if Obama doesn't meet any resistance wiping out Americans who he deems as a "threat" with drones, we Jews are in serious trouble.
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Rand Paul is a Nazi just like his evil father. What he is doing now just proves that he is much more dangerous than his father because he is far more clever and he will be a serious contender for the presidency in 2016.
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Rand Paul is a Nazi just like his evil father. What he is doing now just proves that he is much more dangerous than his father because he is far more clever and he will be a serious contender for the presidency in 2016.
Time for a JTF video to expose Rand Paul and Fat Fattie (Chris Christie)...I plan on sharing it on facebook for my republican friends who don't know any better.
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Rand Paul already wimped out and ended his filibuster after only one day.
As mentioned above, Paul was one of only four Republicans who voted to confirm the Nazi Chuck Hagel as Defense Secretary.
So far the only one who has remained uncompromising is Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.
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Rand Paul is a Nazi just like his evil father. What he is doing now just proves that he is much more dangerous than his father because he is far more clever and he will be a serious contender for the presidency in 2016.
Can the same be said of Yair Lapid? Is Yair Lapid more dangerous than his father because he is more clever?
Obviously you can say the same for Obama being more clever than Sharpton, Farakhan, and Jeremiah Wrong.
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Can the same be said of Yair Lapid? Is Yair Lapid more dangerous than his father because he is more clever?
Obviously you can say the same for Obama being more clever than Sharpton, Farakhan, and Jeremiah Wrong.
Exactly, Yair Lapid is more dangerous then his father Yosef "Tommy" Lapid because he is more careful not to antagonize the public.
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Rand Paul is a Nazi just like his evil father. What he is doing now just proves that he is much more dangerous than his father because he is far more clever and he will be a serious contender for the presidency in 2016.
It seems like Rand Paul is more like Fatah, where as Ron Paul is more like Hamas. Which like you expressed makes Rand Paul more dangerous. Many mainstream Conservatives that have major issues with Ron Paul proudly support Rand Paul.
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Rand Paul already wimped out and ended his filibuster after only one day.
It seems like Rand Paul put on a 'dog and pony show' in an attempt to deceive the masses. Unfortunately, he probably succeeded to a very large extent.
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For those of you that are relative new to JTF, I strongly recommend the following video that Chaim made several years ago. It certainly had a major influence on the way I view Fatah, in comparison to Hamas. In my opinion, this video strongly relates to any Rand Paul discussion:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e1_1187141029
Hamas Is Better Than Fatah
Hamas and Fatah both seek the destruction of Israel and America. Both of these Muslim terrorist gangs openly say in Arabic that their goal is genocide against the non-Muslim "infidels". But Fatah sometimes lies about its true goal when speaking in English, and that makes Fatah a more clever and dangerous enemy.
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Rand Paul is a WN Asatru Nazi piece of excrement. Chaim is correct. There is nothing praiseworthy about this animal.
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Meir Kahane alluded to the same things as well. Better to have an enemy that tells the truth rather than be clever and lie in one language and say the truth in another language. I seem to remember his pressclub interview on CSPAN where a "Palestinian" reporter said that all of Palestine was her's. And Kahane responded something like paying for someone like her to come and debate him.
For those of you that are relative new to JTF, I strongly recommend the following video that Chaim made several years ago. It certainly had a major influence on the way I view Fatah, in comparison to Hamas. In my opinion, this video strongly relates to any Rand Paul discussion:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e1_1187141029
Hamas Is Better Than Fatah
Hamas and Fatah both seek the destruction of Israel and America. Both of these Muslim terrorist gangs openly say in Arabic that their goal is genocide against the non-Muslim "infidels". But Fatah sometimes lies about its true goal when speaking in English, and that makes Fatah a more clever and dangerous enemy.
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Didn't know these things about Rand Paul.. That really sucks.. I guess I am just fed up with the American government altogether.. I hardly doubt that any politician in Washington now wouldn't sell out the lives of innocent people to save their own behinds.
Perhaps, Rand Paul is doing this for media attention.. I've always been very mistrusting of Rand Paul and his intentions and the fact he supported Hagel I suppose will confirm those suspicions.
Leaving Rand Paul aside, who wants the American government to have power to kill American citizens anytime they see fit without due process?
Even if Rand Paul is a nazi piece of sh*t.. We have to think of the dangers of a government who can kill indiscriminately and circumvent our Constitution. Remember, one day the American government may deem right-wing Jewish movements, like JTF or JDL, a "threat" and will circumvent any legal means guaranteed to protect your rights. In just a matter of minutes they can eradicate you in the name of "Security". That is the danger with being able to kill your own citizens on your own soil, even if they are deemed enemies of the state. This very same "loophole" has been utilized by dictators of several countries to commit some of the greatest atrocities ever known.
Even if Rand Paul is bad, what he was defending was noble cause. The sad part was, is that a Jew-hating politician had to be the one to do it.
Yeah, he gave up the floor too soon.. Basically, he didn't succeed at much more than grabbing attention for himself. I just wish there was better politicians in Washington who would be standing up for our rights and freedoms. Sadly, too many politicians seem to care only about appeasing their party and self-image rather than standing up for what is good for the people.
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I wonder how we JTFers would have reacted if this was a Republican idea? It doesn't seem so bad if the Americans getting killed by drones are Muslim Nazi Terrorists.
The only problem is that the people in power support those enemies and are against us.
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Rand Paul already wimped out and ended his filibuster after only one day.
As mentioned above, Paul was one of only four Republicans who voted to confirm the Nazi Chuck Hagel as Defense Secretary.
So far the only one who has remained uncompromising is Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.
He spoke for 13 hours without sitting or taking any kind of break. How is that wimping out?
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He spoke for 13 hours without sitting or taking any kind of break. How is that wimping out?
It was quite an amazing filibuster actually. I give him credit for his zeal.. Now, if only we had pro-Israel politicians who would be this diligent the world would be a better place. The filibuster didn't stop the nomination, however.. It was for publicity and to raise awareness. I guess I have to concede and say Paul's performance was amazing. That isn't to say I would vote for him or think he has good intentions for the Jewish people.
I wonder how we JTFers would have reacted if this was a Republican idea? It doesn't seem so bad if the Americans getting killed by drones are Muslim Nazi Terrorists.
The only problem is that the people in power support those enemies and are against us.
As much as I support killing Muslim Nazi terrorists, who is the government to decide what American citizen is a terrorist and who is not a terrorist? This is for the courts and a jury to decide according to the laws of our Constitution. Obama supports any move to empower the government. One day he will use the same power to kill Jews as he now has to kill Muslims. That is the problem with a government who can kill indiscriminately. As much as I hate that Muslims are American citizens, I will say if they are American citizens, they must go through the same due process as rest of citizens. The reason we have these checks and balances is that a government with too much power cannot be trusted to make decisions of who is good and bad, but rather the Constitution itself and its principles will make this decision. This will prevent abuse of power, which many governments have proven to have done over and over again.
Has anyone here forgot that Obama himself is a Muslim? Does giving more power to a Muslim Head of State really help anyone sleep better at night?
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We the People have been waiting 4 years for a Conservative to stand up and Fight for us. Paul accomplished success on this issue, without taking a bathroom break...had to get a bit uncomfortable for the bladder. Several senators, Cruz, Kirk, Lee, and others brought him tea, fruit, and candybars and filled in briefly for him..It was a good day for Freedom and really rallied alot of people to sit up and take notice on Who would get droned without trial, jury, and due process!
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hard to believe all of the sudden he's pro-juden.
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Even though what he did was good, he still checked the box for Hagel. I dont get these "Libertarians"
Hagel is a sick, demented person that would go be on Obamas staff just b/c he hates Israel. He is like the faggot, David Duke, who loves Commies if they hate Israel.
I am happy SOMEONE did something, but 75 hours was the longest filibuster in US history and if anyone is going to get heard, they will have to go longer than 75 hours. We are far worse off now than in the early 60's when the 75 hour fili. took place.
I dont think anyone is worse than Obama--not even Ron Paul.
This is MY opinion.
Ted Cruz is not natural born.
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He spoke for 13 hours without sitting or taking any kind of break. How is that wimping out?
Others have conducted longer filibusters.
A Long filibuster was conducted by U.S. Sen. Alfonse D'Amato of New York, who spoke for 23 hours and 30 minutes to stall debate on an important military bill in 1986.
In 1953, Senator Wayne Morse set a record by filibustering for 22 hours and 26 minutes.
One of the most notable filibusters of the 1960s occurred when southern Democratic senators made a filibuster that lasted for 75 hours.
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I will never give credit to a Nazi, Jew-hating piece of slime -- which is exactly what Rand Paul is. If we happen to agree on a particular issue, so what? I still hope he drops dead, that dirty rat!
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I will never give credit to a Nazi, Jew-hating piece of slime -- which is exactly what Rand Paul is. If we happen to agree on a particular issue, so what? I still hope he drops dead, that dirty rat!
I hear you.
SOMEONE has GOT to rise up.
Pray Cruz will keep doing this
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Meir Kahane alluded to the same things as well. Better to have an enemy that tells the truth rather than be clever and lie in one language and say the truth in another language. I seem to remember his pressclub interview on CSPAN where a "Palestinian" reporter said that all of Palestine was her's. And Kahane responded something like paying for someone like her to come and debate him.
This is yet another example of Rabbi Kahane's wisdom.
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For anyone who still believes that Rand Paul's intentions are good, check out the following article. I posted part of this article on the JTF Forum in 2010. If one still supports Rand Paul after reading this, I doubt any article or presentation will change that person's mind:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2010/02/rand-paul-anti-war-anti-gitmo-and-anti.html
Monday, February 01, 2010
Rand Paul, Anti-War, Anti-Gitmo and Anti-American
Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog
He's for shutting down Guantanamo Bay and banning the forceful interrogation of Al Queda terrorists. Not only that he would like to see the dangerous terrorists currently held in Guantanamo Bay deported back to their countries of origin, where in his own words, "It’d take them a while to get back over here."
He wants to cut the deficit by cutting defense spending and boasts that if he had been in the Senate, he would have held up the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He flirts with pro abortion and drug legalization rhetoric. His main spokesman was caught penning satanic anti-Christian lyrics and blaming America for 9/11. In response to this, his campaign manager, suggested there was "truth on both sides".
Barack Obama? Nancy Pelosi? No, Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul who has been a freelance Al Queda spokesman in Congress, currently running in the Republican Senate primary in Kentucky. The mainstream Republican establishment has thrown its support behind Trey Grayson. The local tea party movement has Bill Johnson. Meanwhile the same league of 9/11 Truthers, anti-war radicals and online gambling companies is busy astroturfing for Rand Paul, and filling up his war chest. They're already creating fake websites targeting his opponents.
Rand Paul has been cleverer than his father, dressing up the same message in more ambiguity, and redirecting questions with formulaic and deliberately vague answers. For example on the 9/11 Truther Alex Jones show, Rand Paul explained that his technique when answering questions about the War on Terror differs from his father, in that he emphasizes that there is a constitutional right to declare war. Which is his disingenuous way of attempting to seem pro-national defense, while avoiding talking about his real views on the War on Terror.
Paul confirmed to Jones that he offers the same message as his father does, but with a more appealing "presentation".
"You're basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?"
"I'd say we'd be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently.. I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary."
Rand Paul on Alex Jones, 5/21/09
Do Republicans really want a candidate who admits to hiding his real message in order to win a Republican primary?
Rand Paul's routine is a gussied up version of his old man. There's still the same old Paul army behind him, often shipped in from out of state. And there's the man himself, talking about the Military Industrial Complex, closing Gitmo, freeing the terrorists, blaming the War on Terror for the economic crisis and discussing a left-right coalition for rolling back the American Empire. And the old slips like Rand Paul comparing the US military to Hitler. No wonder he fails the conservative litmus test for Republican candidates.
Rand Paul has been a little quicker to distance himself from people like Chris Hightower, mainly because he understands the media better than his father does. And he understands that his message has to be massaged for the masses. But the message hasn't changed, just the presentation has.
Rand Paul “couldn’t agree more” with those who believe Guantanamo has “significantly damaged the reputation of the United States” and who want to “see it shut down.” – (Rand Paul official campaign web site post, posted by the site Administrator, 5/25/09)
"It's unclear whether these people are guilty or not guilty... So I really think deportation or sending them back to their country of origin might be the best way to go. And none of it’s fair, because some of them have been held years and years without trial... and you deport them to the countries where they were captured..."
Rand Paul on Gitmo prisoners on Alex Jones, 5/21/09
Yes deport them to where they can kill American troops. If you think that's not what he meant, try again;
“I think they should mostly be sent back to their country of origin or to tell you the truth I’d drop them back off into battle … you’re unclear, drop ‘em off back into Afghanistan. It’d take them a while to get back over here.”
Rand Paul speaking in Paducah, KY, 5/8/09
And what will they possibly do in battle over there? But don't worry, even if they do kill a few American soldiers, it will probably take them a week or so to back over here.
Rand Paul blames the War on Terror for the economic problems America is suffering today.
“Traditional conservatives who want the same sort of aggressive foreign policy probably cannot balance the budget… Unless you cut some of what we’re doing militarily, you cannot balance the budget - Rand Paul
"Part of the reason we've bankrupted the country is fighting so many foreign wars and having so many military bases around the world." AntiWar Radio interview may 17, 2009
Rand Paul is of course opposed to the kind of waterboarding that broke 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He is for repealing the Patriot Act and for building a left-right coalition to roll back the "American Empire".
"Is rolling back the empire not the first order of business for shoring up the economy?"
"Yes I think they're interrelated, and they've become the politicial coalition you need to win a race basically. Because here are people on the left who acknowledge the vast expenditures of the military industrial complex, and there are people on the right who are beginning to understand that. There's a sort of left-right paradigm that you bring these groups together in order to try to win an election. I think it's coming."
AntiWar Radio interview may 17, 2009
Do you really want to be part of a left-right coalition to roll back the "American Empire"? Because that's the strategy of the Pauls.
Finally Rand Paul stated that if he had been in the Senate he would have held up the US attack on Afghanistan and Iraq.
"I tell people in my speeches that the most important vote that any congressman or Senator ever has is on war and peace... and had I been in the Senate during the debate over Iraq or Afghanistan, I would have forced a vote on a declaration of war... had I been in the Senate I would have held things up."
AntiWar Radio interview may 17, 2009
And of course like his pop, Rand Paul is a big believer in seeing the enemy's view of things.
"Iran feels threatened because we have troops in Iraq and troops in Afghanistan... we have to understand their perspective, that they feel threatened."
Rand Paul, 2008
I'll close this article by quoting what Alan Keyes has said about Rand Paul, but his entire message is worth reading;
"Ron Paul’s son is mounting a well funded effort to exploit the rising tide of voters who identify with the conservative name. But like his father, he rejects Ronald Reagan’s ‘Peace through strength’ acceptance of America’s leadership for freedom in the world. Like his father, he echoes Barack Obama’s illogical willingness to pretend that America is to blame for the hateful attacks directed against us by Middle East terrorists.
Like his father, he seeks the support of those who understand that the Constitution cannot survive unless its foundation of respect for unalienable rights is preserved. But, again like his father, he asserts that it can somehow be just and lawful for State governments to violate the unalienable rights of human offspring in the womb or the research laboratory. It’s only wrong when the Federal government does so."
After Sarah Palin's unfortunate and misguided endorsement of Rand Paul, some have fallen into line and insist on repeating over and over again that Rand Paul is a mainstream conservative. He is not. No more than Lyndsey "Amnesty" Graham whom Palin also endorsed is (Debbie Schlussel). And his own words are the best argument against his candidacy.
Do Republicans really want a Senate candidate in Kentucky that a Democrat can run against on national security issues? Do they want a Senate candidate who will is so far off the map that some Republicans will wind up crossing party lines? Because that's exactly what we'll be getting with Rand Paul.
There's a mainstream establishment candidate and a tea party candidate in the race already. Rand Paul is neither, though by trying to co-opt the Tea Party movement while kissing up to Mitch McConnell, he's trying to be both at the same time. What Rand Paul is, is his old man in a new package, trying to market himself to conservative voters and hoping they don't learn about his real views.